The Not Old - Better Show
The Not Old – Better Show is a radio show that is broadcast over the Internet using podcast technology discussing the hottest issues and topics that fascinate and inform those 50+ age Americans and are of interest and concern to boomers. Not Old – Better viewers and listeners can “tune in” whenever they want, giving them the freedom to enjoy the show in the gym, in the car, at home or work.A SHOW FOR THOSE 50+, BY THOSE 50+ Talk About Better®
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What Abraham Lincoln Still Teaches Us About Leadership
12/18/2025
What Abraham Lincoln Still Teaches Us About Leadership
What Abraham Lincoln Still Teaches Us About Leadership The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates Interview Series 217 years after his birth, Abraham Lincoln remains the gold standard of American leadership — and he still has something to teach us. In our latest episode of , I sat down with Professor Louis P. Masur — Board of Governors Distinguished Professor of American Studies and History at Rutgers University — to explore the traits that made Lincoln more than just a president. He was a strategist, a master communicator, and perhaps most importantly, a leader who wasn’t afraid to change his mind. will be appearing at comng up, please check out our show notes for more about Dr. Masur’s titled, Leanring From Lincoln. But we have today. Masur’s insight reveals how Lincoln’s use of humor, storytelling, silence, and empathy helped him guide a broken nation through its darkest days. These aren’t just historical details — they’re leadership lessons for anyone seeking to grow, lead, and live with purpose, especially in their later chapters of life. In today’s episode, we dig into key moments from Masur’s books — Lincoln’s Last Speech, Lincoln’s Hundred Days, and The Civil War: A Concise History — that highlight the character, wisdom, and personal evolution of Lincoln himself. What does it mean to lead with humility? To be open to changing course? To use stories, not soundbites, to bring people together? This episode will inspire anyone who believes it’s never too late to lead with grace. 🎧 Listen at Dr. Masur will be appearing at comng up, please check out our show notes for more details about Dr. Masur’s Smithsonian Associates presentation titled, Leanring From Lincoln. But we have today.
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Emotional Landscapes: Oscar-Nominated Filmmaker Pen Densham Reinvents Nature Photography
12/16/2025
Emotional Landscapes: Oscar-Nominated Filmmaker Pen Densham Reinvents Nature Photography
Emotional Landscapes: Oscar-Nominated Filmmaker Pen Densham Reinvents Nature Photography The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living Interview Series 🎙️ Oscar-nominated filmmaker Pen Densham is now reinventing photography — and what it means to create at any age. Listen here: 🌿 Pen Densham blends storytelling with impressionist nature photography — and reminds us that it’s never too late to create. Listen now: 🎬 At 4 years old, Pen Densham rode an alligator in a short film. At 75, he’s reinventing what it means to be a storyteller — not with film, but through impressionist nature photography. https://pendenshamphotography.com/ Pen is best known for producing Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, Backdraft, The Outer Limits, and The Twilight Zone. But today, he’s capturing landscapes like never before — using long exposures, movement, and emotion to turn still images into what he calls “visual music.” In our newest episode of The Not Old Better Show, sponsored by Longevity Mitopure Gummies: The First-Ever Longevity Gummies, powered by Mitopure. A delicious, easy way to put more energy into your day! Pen opens up about the courage it takes to create after success, after loss, and after 50. From letting go of perfection to embracing creative freedom, he offers an inspiring look at what’s possible when we stop asking for permission. This is a must-listen for professionals, artists, and anyone redefining their next chapter. Creativity isn’t bound by age — and Pen Densham proves it. https://pendenshamphotography.com/ Longevity Gummies, powered by Mitopure, sponsor today’s show — the first-ever Urolithin A gummy that’s clinically proven to support strength, energy, and healthy aging — right down at the cellular level. Head to to get started. That’s timeline.com/nob. Your cells will thank you. 🎧 Listen here:
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Restoring Sight, Restoring Lives: The $10M Campaign to End Preventable Blindness
12/15/2025
Restoring Sight, Restoring Lives: The $10M Campaign to End Preventable Blindness
Vision for All: The Life-Changing Power of a Simple Donation Welcome to The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living series. Today’s show is brought to you by Aura Frames. Aura Frames: the gift that brings your favorite holiday traditions and memories to life every day. 🎙️ This is our annual charitable giving show, and we’re proud to announce that our 2025 giving selection is the life-changing vision restoration campaign from The Fred Hollows Foundation, supported by Causeway’s $10 million matching challenge.Today, we’re talking about something that affects millions—and could very well affect someone you know and love. Because around the world, more than 43 million people are blind—and the shocking truth is, nine out of ten of those cases are entirely preventable. Imagine being unable to see your grandchildren’s faces… or having to stop working or reading simply because your sight failed—and no one was there to help. That’s the reality in places like Ethiopia and Cambodia, where basic eye care is often out of reach. But it doesn’t have to stay that way. Joining us today are two remarkable people: Andrea Galan, Executive Director of The Fred Hollows Foundation USA—one of the world’s most trusted vision-restoration organizations—and Doug Heske, CEO of Causeway, whose platform is helping fuel a $10 million matching campaign to restore sight to tens of thousands. We’ll hear how cataract surgeries costing less than $25 are getting people back to work, how a simple pair of eyeglasses can keep a child in school, and how every dollar you give right now can go twice as far thanks to this match. And we’ll ask something simple: How can we help? This is about dignity, legacy, and action. It’s about doing something measurable and meaningful—especially at the end of the year, when so many of us are thinking about how to give back. So stay tuned—this one’s personal, powerful, and filled with hope. Here now is our conversation with Andrea Galan and Doug Heske. 🎙️ I’m your host, Paul Vogelzang, and this is The Not Old Better Show.
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Romance After 50: Nancy Gulbrandsen Has Seen It All (And She’s Naming Names)
12/10/2025
Romance After 50: Nancy Gulbrandsen Has Seen It All (And She’s Naming Names)
Romance After 50: Nancy Gulbrandsen Has Seen It All (And She’s Naming Names) The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living Interview Series They say love is patient, love is kind—but whoever said that clearly never used a dating app. Welcome to The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living series. . Aura Frames: the gift that brings your favorite holiday traditions and memories to life every day. I’m Paul Vogelzang, and if you’ve ever swiped left, swiped right, or just wanted to swipe the whole screen off the table, this episode is for you. Our guest today is Nancy Lee Gulbrandsen—a sharp, witty humorist who took one too many bad dates and turned them into a bestselling satire. Her book, Swipe Left: The Savvy Woman’s Guide to Decoding Men’s Dating Profiles, is part survival guide, part stand-up routine, and 100% relatable for anyone who's ever thought, “Wait… is that a fish in his profile picture?” Nancy brings a much-needed laugh to modern dating—especially for those of us dating again, or dating later, when the stakes feel higher and the bios feel shorter. From Boozy Bruce to Flatulent Floyd, her book is a guide to the red flags hiding in plain sight—and a reminder that your time, energy, and heart are far too valuable to waste on someone who “isn’t ready for a relationship” but still wants to meet for drinks. We’re going to talk about why the dating pool often feels like a puddle, how women over 50 are reclaiming their confidence, and why it's okay to say no, trust your gut, and most of all—laugh. So pour yourself something strong—or something sparkling—and get ready to swipe smart. Here now with wit, warmth, and way too many cautionary tales... is author Nancy Lee Gulbrandsen. Remember, . Aura Frames: the gift that brings your favorite holiday traditions and memories to life every day. 🎙️ I’m Paul Vogelzang. This is The Not Old Better Show.
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Rebuilt: How John Stewart Hill Turned Pain into Purpose and Purpose into Impact
12/09/2025
Rebuilt: How John Stewart Hill Turned Pain into Purpose and Purpose into Impact
Rebuilt: How John Stewart Hill Turned Pain into Purpose and Purpose into Impact The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living Interview Series Welcome to The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living series on NOB Studios. I’m Paul Vogelzang, and today’s episode is brought to you by . …You’ll be thinking about long after it ends. Imagine this: you're lying in a hospital bed. The doctors say it's bad. You've had a massive heart attack. It’s 3AM. You’re alone. And just when you're ready to let go... a quiet question comes to your heart: Do you want to stay, or do you want to go? Our guest today, John Stewart Hill, faced that question—and chose to stay. And thank God he did. He walked out of that hospital not just with physical damage, but with a fire in his soul. What followed was a life transformed by faith, grit, and a mission to serve others. He started The Good Contractors List—a business built on something rare these days: trust. Real trust. Backed by a $10,000 guarantee, no less. But this isn’t just about business. It’s about purpose. Redemption. And the idea that no matter your age, your past, or your pain—God’s not done writing your story. This is a powerful one, folks. So settle in. You’re going to hear about second chances, real integrity, and how one man rebuilt his heart, his life, and his legacy. You’ll be thinking about long after it ends. 🎙️ I’m Paul Vogelzang. This is The Not Old Better Show, and you're going to want to hear every word.
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Beating the Loneliness Epidemic: How ACE’s Dr. Cedric Bryant and Dr. Sabrena Jo Help Us Add People to Our Years
12/08/2025
Beating the Loneliness Epidemic: How ACE’s Dr. Cedric Bryant and Dr. Sabrena Jo Help Us Add People to Our Years
Beating the Loneliness Epidemic: How ACE’s Dr. Cedric Bryant and Dr. Sabrena Jo Help Us Add People to Our Years Live Long Better: Not Old Better and American Council on Exercise Today’s show is brought to you by Aura Frames. Aura Frames: the gift that brings your favorite holiday traditions and memories to life every day. If I told you there was a health risk that could quietly raise your chances of early death by roughly 25 to 30 percent… and it wasn’t diabetes, blood pressure, or cholesterol… you’d probably lean in. According to the U.S. Surgeon General, loneliness and social isolation increase the risk of premature death by 26% and 29%, and lacking social connection can be as dangerous as smoking up to 15 cigarettes a day. So here’s the question for all of us over 60: we count our steps, we count our meds… who’s helping us count our people? Welcome to Live Long Better. I’m your host, and today we’re tackling the loneliness epidemic head‑on—with movement and community as the prescription Joining us are two leaders from the American Council on Exercise, or ACE. First, our ongoing member of the team, Dr. Sabrena Jo, Senior Director of Science and Education, whose work focuses on how pro‑aging, inclusive fitness and community‑based movement can turn a lonely workout into a welcoming social circle. And we’re also joined by Dr. Cedric Bryant, Chief Executive Officer at ACE. Cedric spends his days at the table with organizations like the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine, championing physical activity as essential public health. He’s authored more than 300 articles and over 40 books, holds a doctorate in physiology from Penn State—where he received the university’s Distinguished Alumni Award—and he lives the ACE mission personally with regular exercise, pickleball, golf, and even coaching youth sports. Cedric often says, “Some activity is better than none, and more is better than some. Every little bit counts.” We’ll talk about how that simple idea scales up—from one older adult taking a short walk with a neighbor, to ACE’s 40 Forward initiative, a 40th‑anniversary effort to “shape the future of fitness together” by building more inclusive, community‑driven opportunities to move in every kind of neighborhood. If your contact list has gotten smaller while your pill organizer has gotten bigger, this episode is for you. Because today, we’re not just talking about adding years to your life… we’re talking about adding people to your years. Stay with us—Dr. Sabrena Jo and Dr. Cedric Bryant are coming up next.
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The Instability of Truth: Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyperpersuasion
12/04/2025
The Instability of Truth: Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyperpersuasion
The Instability of Truth: Brainwashing, Mind Control, and Hyperpersuasion The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates Interview Series Have you ever wondered if the thoughts you're thinking… are actually yours? Today’s conversation might just change the way you think—literally. Our guest is Harvard historian of science , who’s spent the last two decades pulling back the curtain on something most of us think we’re immune to: brainwashing. But this isn't science fiction or Cold War spy stuff—though it starts there. In Lemov takes us deep into the hidden archives of CIA experiments, cult psychology, secret black sites, and perhaps the most chilling battleground of all: the home screen on your phone. She uncovers how techniques once used in POW camps and radical political groups are now quietly running beneath our everyday lives—inside social media feeds, AI chatbots, even dating apps. Emotional engineering, hyper-persuasion, algorithmic manipulation—it’s all happening, and most of us don’t even know it. And here’s the twist: education and intelligence don't protect you—they might even make you more vulnerable. In today’s interview, Rebecca Lemov opens up not only about her research but her own story of addiction, trauma, and what it took to reclaim her mind. She also offers tools to help the rest of us do the same—and why questioning your own thoughts may be the most radical act of freedom you’ll ever take. This is a gripping conversation—fascinating, unsettling, and urgently important. And it all starts now
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Wrapped, Rated & Ready: Good Housekeeping’s Smartest Holiday Picks
12/03/2025
Wrapped, Rated & Ready: Good Housekeeping’s Smartest Holiday Picks
Wrapped, Rated & Ready: Good Housekeeping’s Smartest Holiday Picks! The Not Old Better Show, Good Better Best Good Housekeeping Interview Series 🎁 Holiday deals are everywhere—but which ones are actually worth it? 🛍️ Today's episode is brought to you by Aura Frames, and in our latest episode of Good Better Best – Good Housekeeping, I sit down with Amanda Fama, Senior Editor for Deals & Trends at Good Housekeeping, to get the real scoop on Black Friday shopping. Amanda isn’t just watching price tags—she’s matching deals to products actually tested by the Good Housekeeping Institute. That’s a big win for smart shoppers. 📦 From the coziest slippers to trending tech and a Stranger Things x Wrangler jacket that’s turning heads, Amanda shares her insider picks—and how to avoid falling for “fake deals” in your feed. 💡 For gift-givers shopping across generations, this episode is a must-listen. Thoughtful doesn’t have to mean expensive. Amanda explains how to shop with intention, stay on budget, and still surprise the people you love. 🎧 Listen to the full conversation here 👉 on Apple Podcasts: https://notoldbettershow.info/4456zJi #GoodHousekeeping #LinkedInAudio #HolidayShopping #BlackFriday #NotOldBetter #Podcast #SmartSpending #GiftIdeas #Over50Living
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The Quiet Goodbye: Loving and Losing a Dog Later in Life 🐶💔
12/01/2025
The Quiet Goodbye: Loving and Losing a Dog Later in Life 🐶💔
Thank you! Today’s show is brought to you by Aura Frames. Aura Frames: the gift that brings your favorite holiday traditions and memories to life every day. You know, there are some goodbyes we never quite learn how to say. For those of us in life’s later chapters, the love we give — and receive — from our pets often takes on a deeper, quieter meaning. They’re not just animals. They’re our companions in the long walks, the quiet nights, the joyful mornings. They don’t judge our age, our pace, or our past. They just stay, and in so doing they combat our epidemic of loneliness according to the . Today, on The Not Old Better Show – Art of Living series, we’re joined by someone who recently said goodbye to their beloved dog — a companion who offered years of loyalty, humor, and comfort. It’s a story many of you will know well: the unspoken rituals, the tail thumps that meet you at the door, the warmth of a furry friend who somehow senses what you need before you even speak it. And then, the silence that follows when they’re gone. But this conversation isn’t just about grief. It’s about gratitude. It’s about the meaning of companionship in older age — how a dog can fill a home, heal a heart, and remind us that we are never too old to love deeply, and be loved in return. In all transparency, I know our guest, Mike Olsen, very well. I know the family. You’ll hear me mention Mike’s parents, who i know well, and Mike’s sons, Mike’s wife Sara, all dear friends. We’ll talk about Mike’s dog, and pets in general. Stay with us — this one’s for every listener who’s ever held a paw, shared a look, or whispered goodbye through tears.
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🤖🛡️ AI: Promise, Peril & Your Power — with David Eliot 🎙️
11/26/2025
🤖🛡️ AI: Promise, Peril & Your Power — with David Eliot 🎙️
🤖🛡️ AI: Promise, Peril & Your Power — with David Eliot 🎙️ The Not Old Better Show, Technology Power Hour Interview Series Today’s show is brought to you by Aura Frames. Aura Frames: the gift that brings your favorite holiday traditions and memories to life every day. 1) A story that feels both urgent and familiar. We’ve all seen how AI seems to appear out of nowhere—on our screens, in news, in ads, even in family group chats. The real drama isn’t whether the tech will exist. It’s whether we understand it well enough to shape it. That’s the promise and the warning at the heart of David Eliot’s new book, Artificially Intelligent: The Very Human Story of AI. Tonight’s conversation crystallized that for me: the issue is human choice, not just code. 2) Why this matters right now. When a tool can transcribe decades of family letters in minutes, that’s beautiful. When it can clone a voice to trick a loved one, that’s frightening. The line between magic and mischief is thin, and it’s drawn by how cautious, curious, and informed we are. Eliot’s work reminds us there is no neutral position—only paths we actively choose. 3) Practical, not just philosophical. The best part of tonight’s talk was the focus on small, concrete actions: one rule to spot scams, one conversation to have with family, one tiny habit to use AI safely. These are not lofty ideals. They’re steps any of us can take this week to turn uncertainty into agency. 4) What the book offers. It isn’t a tech manual, nor a doom prophecy. It’s a human story that connects history, society, and individual lives—showing how AI’s past, present, and future are intertwined with our choices. That perspective matters because it positions you as part of the story, not just a passive observer. 5) A call to read, learn, act. If you want more than headlines—if you want a guide to understand what AI actually is, how it came to be, and what you can do next—this is the book to open. It’s priced accessibly, and it’s aimed at readers who want clarity, not confusion.
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From Siberia to Storybook Stardom: Milana Anderson’s Magical World of Meaning
11/25/2025
From Siberia to Storybook Stardom: Milana Anderson’s Magical World of Meaning
📚 This week on The Not Old Better Show, we welcome Milana Anderson, multiple gold medal–winning author of Animal Fairy Tales and Book X, a poignant collection of love stories. Today’s episode is brought to you by Longevity Gummies, powered by Mitopure Milana’s 177 short stories feature unforgettable animal characters—like a boxing rhino, two feuding porcupines, and a dream-filled koala—each delivering life lessons on empathy, resilience, and transformation. These tales do more than entertain; they encourage emotional growth and spark imagination in children and adults alike. In our conversation, Milana shares how her Siberian childhood, deep love for the arts, and desire to heal through storytelling led to the creation of stories that not only educate but also emotionally soothe. Psychologists often recommend emotionally rich fairy tales for their therapeutic power—and Milana’s stories truly deliver. We also talk about her next ventures: an animated film, a children’s game, and new books. Her vision? To help children imagine themselves as heroes—doctors, dancers, engineers, and explorers—and for older generations to pass down these dreams through the joy of reading aloud. For educators, grandparents, and anyone who believes in the power of storytelling to connect and heal, this is a must-listen. 🎧 Listen and share: #MilanaAnderson #StorytellingMatters #EmotionalHealth #FairyTalesWithHeart #NotOldBetter #LegacyThroughLiterature #ChildrenAndGrandparents
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🎙️Inside the Cleaning Lab: Carolyn Forté on the Products and Habits That Actually Work
11/24/2025
🎙️Inside the Cleaning Lab: Carolyn Forté on the Products and Habits That Actually Work
🎙️Inside the Cleaning Lab: Carolyn Forté on the Products and Habits That Actually Work The Not Old Better Show, Good Better Best Interview Series with Good Housekeeping “Your home must be immaculate!” That’s what people say to Carolyn Forté — but the executive director of the Good Housekeeping Institute’s Home Care and Cleaning Lab has a refreshingly honest answer: not always. Today’s episode is brought to you by Aura Frames. In this new episode of the Good Housekeeping: Good Better Best series on The Not Old Better Show, Carolyn shares what 40+ years of product testing and cleaning expertise have taught her — and why a clean-enough home can be far more comforting than a spotless one. We talk about why maintenance beats marathon cleaning, her favorite overlooked cleaning zones (hello, faucet sprayers and door frames), and how even a full-time expert still has dust on top of her bookcases. And yes, she gives us her take on grandma’s old-school tips — the good, the bad, and the sticky (we’re looking at you, hairspray-on-curtains). This episode is filled with humor, smart habits, and product picks that work — like Stink Stopper, Diptyque's Odor Removing Candle, and good old vinegar (with a few caveats). If you’re looking for practical advice, a little reassurance, and a few good laughs about the mess we all live with, this one’s worth your time. 🎧 Listen now at Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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🎙️ Cold Weather, Warm Muscles: Winter Fitness Tips for Older Adults
11/12/2025
🎙️ Cold Weather, Warm Muscles: Winter Fitness Tips for Older Adults
Cold Weather, Warm Muscles: Smart Winter Fitness Tips for Adults Over 50 As the seasons change, so do our routines — and for many older adults, colder months bring more than just snow and chilly mornings. They bring stiffness, aches, and a steep drop in motivation to stay active. That’s why I’m thrilled to share our latest Live Long Better episode featuring Dr. Sabrena Jo, Director of Science and Research at the American Council on Exercise (ACE). Dr. Jo is a nationally recognized voice in fitness science and healthy aging, and in this episode, she gives clear, compassionate advice for staying strong and steady through winter. We discuss how cold weather affects muscles, why older adults need to warm up differently in winter, and what simple indoor exercises can improve strength and balance — without requiring expensive equipment or a gym membership. Even more importantly, we talk about the emotional side of fitness during winter — how loneliness, low energy, and dark days can create barriers, and what role the 6 Pillars of Wellness play in staying mentally and physically well. Whether you’re caring for aging parents, guiding clients over 50, or simply working to age well yourself, this conversation is full of takeaways: • Science-backed movement tips • Real-world stories of transformation • Winter-specific warm-up routines • Practical advice for daily strength and confidence 🎧 Listen now to “Cold Weather, Warm Muscles” featuring Dr. Sabrena Jo at Not Old Better. Apple Podcasts and more. And please feel free to share with a friend, client, or loved one who could use a little encouragement this season. #ACEFitness #HealthyAging #NotOldBetter #LiveLongBetter #WinterWellness #ColdWeatherFitness #FunctionalFitness #WellnessOver50
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Train Smart, Rest Smarter: The New Rules of Recovery for Healthy Aging
10/30/2025
Train Smart, Rest Smarter: The New Rules of Recovery for Healthy Aging
Train Smart, Rest Smarter: The New Rules of Recovery for Healthy Aging Live Long Better, The Not Old Better Fitness Interview Series, featuring Dr. Sabrena Jo Too many older adults think rest means giving up. It doesn’t. It means you’re in this for the long haul. In this episode of LIVE. LONG. BETTER, I talk with Dr. Sabrena Jo of the American Council on Exercise about why recovery is not a pause from progress—it’s part of it. We cover how rest fuels resilience, how to avoid burnout, and why smarter training—not harder—leads to better aging. This is for anyone who wants to stay active, strong, and sharp well into their 60s, 70s, and beyond. 🎧 Listen now: https://notold-better.com #LiveLongBetter #HealthyAging #RestAndRecovery #NotOldBetter #FitnessOver50
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Smarter Homes, Safer Seasons: Practical Home Advice from Dan DiClerico
10/28/2025
Smarter Homes, Safer Seasons: Practical Home Advice from Dan DiClerico
Smarter Homes, Safer Seasons: Practical Home Advice from Dan DiClerico Good Housekeeping’s Good Better Best interview series from The Not Old Better Show Welcome to another episode of Good Housekeeping’s Good Better Best, on radio and podcast, where we bring you trusted voices and real-world advice to help you live smarter, safer, healthier and better at home — no matter your age or stage of life. I’m Paul Vogelzang, and today’s episode is brought to you by Longevity Mitopure Gummies: The First-Ever Longevity Gummies, powered by Mitopure. A delicious, easy way to put more energy into your day! And today we’re digging into the nuts and bolts of home life with someone who’s spent over two decades helping homeowners get the most out of their spaces — Dan DiClerico, Director of the Home Improvement and Outdoor Lab at the Good Housekeeping Institute. Dan’s tested thousands of tools, gadgets, and appliances — and written just as many reviews — all to help families like yours figure out what’s worth your money and what’s just collecting dust. He’s a former roofer, a lifelong remodeler, and a full-time dad, keeping up a century-old Brooklyn brownstone that’s seen it all. Today, Dan’s giving us practical advice for getting your home fall- and winter-ready — including whether solar generators are a smart move, what makes a good air purifier actually good, and why rain barrels and gas generators might deserve a second look. This episode is for the doers, the fixers, the proud owners who want their homes to work for them — especially if you’re part of our 50+ community looking to age safely, wisely, and comfortably in place. So stay with us — you’ll hear what to do now, what to plan for later, and maybe even a few tools Dan thinks every homeowner over 50 should have in the garage. Let’s get into it with Dan DiClerico, right here on Good Better Best. That’s going to wrap up our conversation with Dan DiClerico, and I hope you took away as much as I did—like why a solar generator might be more practical than you think, or how something as simple as sealing your windows could save you a bundle this winter. Dan's advice is full of common sense, tested knowledge, and just enough gadget talk to keep it fun—and useful—for every homeowner, especially those of us looking to stay safe and comfortable in the years ahead. If you’d like to hear more from Dan or check out his latest reviews and recommendations, head over to GoodHousekeeping.com, and of course, you can find this episode and all our previous conversations at notold-better.com. Until next time—stay curious, stay well, and remember: it’s not about being not old—it’s about being better, as well as fully alive. REMEMBER: today’s episode is brought to you by Longevity Mitopure Gummies: The First-Ever Longevity Gummies, powered by Mitopure. A delicious, easy way to put more energy into your day! And, don’t forget—we’re also on social media: follow us on Twitter at @notoldbetter and Instagram at notoldbetter for updates, extras, and more behind-the-scenes content. This has been a production of N.O.B.S. Studios. I’m your host, Paul Vogelzang—thanks for spending time with us today, and I hope you’ll join me again next time on the Good Housekeeping’s Good Better Best Interview Series on radio and podcast.
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Movement That Matters: Motivation, Joy, and Wellness at Every Age with Dr. Sabrena Jo
10/23/2025
Movement That Matters: Motivation, Joy, and Wellness at Every Age with Dr. Sabrena Jo
Movement That Matters: Motivation, Joy, and Wellness at Every Age with Dr. Sabrena Jo LIVE. LONG. BETTER! The Not Old Better ACE Interview Series Welcome to LIVE. LONG. BETTER: Live Longer, Age Better, OUR brand-new fitness feature from The Not Old Better Show and the American Council on Exercise. I’m Paul Vogelzang, and I’m honored to be with you today. You’re hearing that familiar intro music, and I hope it brings you right into the space we’ve created for insight, optimism, and action. Today, we’re talking about how to stay physically active—and mentally strong—as we age, and we’ve got just the guest to guide us. Joining me is Dr. Sabrena Jo, Senior Director of Science and Education at the American Council on Exercise. Dr. Jo has spent years studying the psychology of movement, with a deep focus on older adults. She’ll walk us through the three psychological needs that keep us motivated: autonomy, confidence, and connection. And just as importantly, she’ll share how exercise helps combat loneliness, and why being part of a supportive group can make all the difference. But that’s not all—Dr. Jo will also explore something that goes far beyond any single workout: the 6 Pillars of Wellness, and how they work together to help us live longer, and age better. From emotional health to social support, these pillars form a whole-body, whole-life approach to lasting well-being. It’s empowering, science-backed, and full of practical ideas. Let’s dive in.
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"Led Zeppelin’s Shadow Song: The True Story of Dazed and Confused
10/14/2025
"Led Zeppelin’s Shadow Song: The True Story of Dazed and Confused
"Led Zeppelin’s Shadow Song: The True Story of Dazed and Confused" The Not Old Better Show, Music Today Interview Series 🎸 Who really wrote "Dazed and Confused"? For decades, Led Zeppelin's moody, blues-driven classic has been tied to Jimmy Page. But music historian and author Scott G. Shea joins The Not Old Better Show – to unpack a deeper truth that most fans never heard. And it starts with a lesser-known singer-songwriter named Jake Holmes. Today’s episode is brought to you by Acorns. 🎤 In 1967, Holmes released a haunting track on his debut album that sounded strikingly familiar to anyone who later heard Led Zeppelin’s version. While the lyrics were different, the descending bass line, tone, and feel of the song carried over — without credit. Holmes never made a legal fuss back then, but years later, things changed. Page eventually settled out of court, quietly, and many fans were left asking: Why wasn’t Holmes acknowledged from the start? 📚 Scott Shea has researched this story thoroughly, and in our conversation, he lays out the timeline, the context of the music industry at the time, and what this case tells us about artistic ownership. Shea is no stranger to deep music history — his best-selling book All the Leaves Are Brown offers similar insight into The Mamas & the Papas — and he brings the same care and clarity here. 🧠 For many of us who grew up listening to Zeppelin, this episode is eye-opening. It doesn’t aim to tear down the music we love, but rather to give credit where it’s due and remind us that behind every song is a story — sometimes more complicated than we realize. 🎧 If you’ve ever tapped your foot to “Dazed and Confused” or wondered how songwriting credits really work, this episode is a must. You’ll leave with a deeper appreciation for the music, the people behind it, and how the truth finally came to light. 👉 Listen now on The Not Old Better Show: Today’s episode is brought to you by Acorns.
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Healthy Eating at Home: What Works, What Doesn’t, and What Tastes Good!
10/03/2025
Healthy Eating at Home: What Works, What Doesn’t, and What Tastes Good!
Healthy Eating at Home: What Works, What Doesn’t, and What Tastes Good: Nutritionist Stef Sassos Good Housekeeping Good Better Best Interview Series, The Not Old Better Show In this episode, Paul sit’s down with Stefani Sassos, Director of the Good Housekeeping Institute’s Nutrition and Fitness Lab, to find out what really goes into those beautifully packaged, chef-prepared meals. We cover everything—taste, nutrition, expiration dates, and how to make smart, satisfying food choices that actually work for your lifestyle, especially if you’re 60 and up. Stefani is a registered dietitian, personal trainer, and mom who lives in the real world. She knows what it’s like to feed a family on a weeknight, and she’s tested more than 50 different meal services—not just for health, but for flavor and usability. Her insights will help you sort the fads from the facts, and her practical tips will save you time, money, and frustration. We talk about why trust matters, what really makes a healthy meal satisfying, and how aging adults can use today’s tech-savvy food solutions to support longevity, energy, and wellness—without getting overwhelmed. If you’ve ever stood at your fridge wondering what’s still good, or tried to decode the tiny print on a meal label, this episode is for you. Tune in and discover the tools to eat well, age strong, and feel good doing it. Check it out
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Before Spacecraft: When Earth Thought Mars Was Alive
09/15/2025
Before Spacecraft: When Earth Thought Mars Was Alive
Before Spacecraft: When Earth Thought Mars Was Alive The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates Interview Series Martians, Tesla, and madness? David Baron’s wild true story is unforgettable. 📘 What if I told you the most brilliant minds of the late 1800s believed in Martians? In our newest episode of The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates series, we feature science writer and author David Baron, whose new book The Martians tells a story that is equal parts history, science, and human imagination. Before rockets, before rovers, and before we understood what Mars truly was, people looked through telescopes and saw cities. Men like Percival Lowell and Nikola Tesla weren’t imagining stories for books — they were making scientific claims. Lowell built observatories to map Martian canals. Tesla believed his radio experiments might have picked up messages from intelligent life on another planet. Why did so many believe so strongly in something we now see as impossible? David Baron explores that question with humor, historical depth, and a storyteller’s eye. Whether you're in science, history, education, or just someone who remembers looking up at the night sky and wondering, this episode will give you something to think about. 🎧 Listen now: In our latest episode of series, we speak with award-winning author and science journalist David Baron, whose new book The Martians. More information available at Smithsonian Associates:
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Hot Flashes, Cold Shoulders: Menopause, Work, and Your Rights
09/09/2025
Hot Flashes, Cold Shoulders: Menopause, Work, and Your Rights
🔥 Menopause at work? It’s the last workplace taboo. Women over 50 are the fastest-growing workforce, yet many feel dismissed, overlooked, or managed out due to menopause symptoms. That ends today. 💡 Attorneys Catherine Krider & Jack Tuckner are fighting for workplace fairness. What are your rights? Can you ask for accommodations? Let’s break the silence. 🎧 Listen now on Apple Podcasts: Menopause at work—it’s the last workplace taboo. This is The Not Old Better Show on radio and podcast. This is Not Old Better Show, Workplace Roundup Interview Series on radio and podcast. Today’s episode is brought to you by . We talk about diversity, inclusion, equity… but when it comes to hot flashes in a board meeting, brain fog before a big presentation, or the exhaustion that hits like a freight train—suddenly, silence. Women over 50 are the fastest-growing workforce demographic, bringing decades of experience, leadership, and skill. And yet, when menopause shows up, too many are treated like they’re slowing down, when really, they’re just heating up. Dismissed. Overlooked. Managed out. Some even leave their careers behind—not because they want to, but because the workplace isn’t built to support them. But today, we’re talking about it. Because menopause isn’t a weakness. It’s not a reason to be sidelined. And it’s not a reason to lose the best, brightest, and most experienced people in the workforce. Enter —two powerhouse attorneys who are fighting for workplace fairness for women at every stage of life. They’ve taken on pregnancy discrimination, equal pay, and now, they’re tackling menopause rights head-on. What are your rights at work? Can you ask for accommodations? How do we shatter the stigma and get employers to step up? This conversation is long overdue, and we’re bringing it front and center. Because if men had menopause, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. This is The Not Old Better Show. I’m Paul Vogelzang—let’s get started. Remember, today’s episode is brought to you by . Check out more at
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Live Long Better: The New Science of Strength, Independence & Aging Well
08/28/2025
Live Long Better: The New Science of Strength, Independence & Aging Well
Live Long Better: The New Science of Strength, Independence & Aging Well Science-backed fitness. Real-life aging. Expert advice for living long—and living better. The Live Long Better Interview series, from The Not Old Better Show. 🧠💪 Fitness Over 50 Is Booming — But Are We Ready to Support It? The fastest-growing segment of the fitness market? Adults over 60. And it's not just a trend—it's a movement. On the latest episode of The Not Old – Better Show, I sat down again with ACE Fitness expert Sabrena Jo, Ph.D for a powerful and insightful conversation about the future of fitness and aging. We covered a lot: → Why senior-friendly gyms are thriving → How wearable tech can motivate, protect, and inspire older adults → Why fitness is crucial to mental health and social connection → How fitness professionals—and healthcare providers—can work together to keep older adults thriving Sabrena doesn’t hold back. She speaks to the heart of the issue: that staying active isn't about chasing youth, but about preserving independence, dignity, and joy. For professionals in healthcare, wellness, and business, this episode is a must-listen. The aging population isn't slowing down—and it's time to create services, spaces, and communities that reflect that. 🎧 Listen to the episode here on Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3FAbebT Let’s rethink aging—one strong step at a time. #ActiveAging #HealthyWorkplace #SeniorFitness #CorporateWellness #LeadershipInAging #HealthcareInnovation #NotOldBetterShow
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From Beds to Threads: Emma Seymour on Sleeping Cool & Dressing Smart
08/26/2025
From Beds to Threads: Emma Seymour on Sleeping Cool & Dressing Smart
🛏️ Cool sheets. 🧥 Smart style. Emma Seymour from Good Housekeeping shares the best in bedding and adaptive fashion. Listen now 👉https://apple.co/3FAbebT What makes a sheet truly “cooling”? Are pricey beds worth it? And what exactly is adaptive clothing — and why is it changing lives? 🛏️👕 Emma Seymour, Associate Director at the Good Housekeeping Institute’s Textiles Lab, joins Paul Vogelzang on The Not Old Better Show for a fascinating Good Better Best conversation. From testing hundreds of sheets and comforters to spotlighting clothing that blends fashion with accessibility, this episode is about living better in every way. Listen here 🎧 https://apple.co/3FAbebT #GoodBetterBest #NotOldBetter #AdaptiveClothing #SleepBetter
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From Desk Chair to Breakthrough Care: Your Health, Upgraded
08/19/2025
From Desk Chair to Breakthrough Care: Your Health, Upgraded
From Desk Chair to Breakthrough Care: Your Health, Upgraded The Not Old Better Show, Prevention Magazine Interview Series 🎧 Welcome, everyone, of the Prevention Magazine Healthy Living Interview Series on The Not Old Better Show. I’m Paul Vogelzang, and I am so glad you’re here with us today. Today’s episode is sponsored by . We’ve got a fantastic returning guest—independent health journalist and author of mindful women's novels, including the award-winning Warrior Won, and her new book, Yoga Bind, which will be published next spring and longtime Prevention Magazine contributor, Meryl Davids Landau—who’s bringing us the kind of conversation that sticks with you long after you’ve stopped listening. 🚶♂️ Is 10,000 steps a myth? Turns out — yes. According to Prevention Magazine’s Meryl Davids Landau, new research shows 7,000 steps a day is enough to lower your risk of dementia, cardiovascular disease, and even falls. No marathon walking necessary. 🧘♀️ And if you’re sitting at a desk all day? Meryl also shares easy, seated yoga moves that target your eyes, wrists, neck, shoulders, and spine. These movements are gentle, restorative, and made for anyone 50+, working or retired. No yoga mat required — just a willingness to stretch. 🔬 We also look back at 75 years of medical milestones. From robotic surgery to IVF, wearable ECGs to personalized gene editing — this episode is a celebration of science that has saved and changed lives. And it’s also a reminder of what’s still possible as we age. 🎧 This conversation is packed with practical advice, surprising stats, and timeless wisdom. Whether you're walking more, stretching smarter, or reflecting on how far we've come in health innovation — this one's worth a listen. Today’s episode is sponsored by 🔗 Catch the episode here: Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/3FAbebT 👉 Hosted by award-winning Paul Vogelzang on The Not Old Better Show #HealthyAging #WellnessAtWork #PublicHealth #MedicalInnovation #PodcastRecommendations #ScienceCommunication
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Dumped, Not Done: Suzy Hopkins on Unbreaking Your Heart After 50
08/12/2025
Dumped, Not Done: Suzy Hopkins on Unbreaking Your Heart After 50
Dumped, Not Done: Suzy Hopkins on Unbreaking Your Heart After 50 The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living Interview Series Welcome to The Not Old Better Show, Art of Living Interview Series. Today’s episode is brought to you by Acorns. Acorns is a financial wellness app that makes it easy to start saving and investing for your future. Getting dumped after decades together can feel like the air goes out of the room. The empty chair at breakfast. The phone you shouldn’t check. The question, “Who am I now?” If that sounds familiar, this episode is for you. Suzy Hopkins knows the shock. After a 30‑year marriage ended, she and her daughter, New Yorker illustrator Hallie Bateman, created What to Do When You Get Dumped—a warm, witty, beautifully illustrated guide to unbreaking your heart. We talk about the first 24 hours and the weeks that follow: drawing clear lines on calls, texts, and social; eating something warm; asking for help; walking every day; and trying one small new thing that reminds you you’re still you. This conversation honors later‑life love and loss. It speaks to anyone starting again at 50, 60, 70+, and to families who want to support with care and respect. Humor sits beside grief here—and both are welcome. “Dumped, Not Done: Suzy Hopkins on Unbreaking Your Heart After 50.” If you need a steady voice and a few practical steps, join us on The Not Old – Better Show with Paul Vogelzang. Today’s episode is brought to you by Acorns. Acorns is a financial wellness app that makes it easy to start saving and investing for your future.
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Taming Wild Hearts: The Siberian Fox Experiment, Evolution, and the Power of Curiosity—A Conversation with Lee Alan Dugatkin
08/01/2025
Taming Wild Hearts: The Siberian Fox Experiment, Evolution, and the Power of Curiosity—A Conversation with Lee Alan Dugatkin
Taming Wild Hearts: The Siberian Fox Experiment, Evolution, and the Power of Curiosity—A Conversation with Lee Alan Dugatkin The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates Interview Series 🦊✨ What if you could witness evolution—real, visible change—unfolding not over millennia, but within a single lifetime? On the latest episode of the Not Old Better Show Smithsonian Associates Interview Series, I had the privilege to sit down with evolutionary biologist, author, who brings to life one of the most daring experiments in modern science. , coming up. Please check out link for more details! 📚 Lee’s acclaimed book, chronicles the incredible journey of two visionary scientists, Dmitri Belyaev and Ludmila Trut, who set out in the icy wilderness of Siberia to answer an age-old question: how did wild animals become our trusted companions? Against a backdrop of scientific controversy and political peril, they not only tamed foxes—they rewrote what we know about genetics, behavior, and our relationship with animals. 🌏 This story isn’t just about foxes or genetics. It’s about the courage to pursue discovery, the tenacity to overcome obstacles, and the lifelong adventure of following your curiosity. Lee’s insights are a powerful reminder that learning and growth have no age limit. Whether you’re an early-career scientist or someone considering a new passion in your fifties, sixties, or beyond, the spirit of this experiment speaks to all of us. 💡 In our conversation, Lee shares how selection for tameness led to foxes with wagging tails, floppy ears, and even laughter-like vocalizations. He opens up about working with Ludmila Trut—now in her late eighties and still leading this experiment—and about how history, resilience, and wonder can intertwine to create something extraordinary. 🎧 I invite you to listen to this fascinating episode, whether you’re a fellow scientist, an animal lover, or simply someone who believes it’s never too late to change the world with a question. The experiment continues, and so does the adventure. 🔗 Tune in now at notold-better.com. Let curiosity lead the way! More details here:
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60 Years of Wonder: Frederica Adelman on the Legacy and Future of Smithsonian Associates
07/28/2025
60 Years of Wonder: Frederica Adelman on the Legacy and Future of Smithsonian Associates
🎉 Celebrating 60 Years of Smithsonian Associates: A Conversation Worth Sharing Since 1965, Smithsonian Associates has offered more than just lectures or museum tours—it has sparked imagination, created lifelong connections, and helped generations see the world with new eyes. This year marks its 60th anniversary—a milestone that honors the past and looks boldly toward the future. To celebrate, The Not Old Better Show – Smithsonian Associates Interview Series sat down with Director Frederica “Fredie” Adelman to talk about what makes this organization so extraordinary. Fredie shares rich, behind-the-scenes stories—from Justice Ginsburg and Justice Scalia debating on stage (“they laughed, they dueled, and the audience loved it,” as NPR’s Nina Totenberg recalled) to the evolution of museum sleepovers, arts programs, and the groundbreaking move to virtual learning. But this episode goes beyond nostalgia. We asked bold, reflective questions: 🔹 What does it mean to lead an organization shaped by six decades of curiosity? 🔹 How has Smithsonian Associates balanced innovation with tradition? 🔹 And what will the next 60 years look like for lifelong learning? Fredie answers with wisdom, humor, and purpose—and offers a preview of the 60th Anniversary Celebration Weekend, including the public events at the Ripley Center this October. For anyone passionate about museums, education, leadership, or meaningful cultural experiences, this conversation is for you. 🎧 Listen to the full episode and see why learning—at any age—is still the best kind of adventure: [Insert Link] #SmithsonianAssociates #NotOldBetterShow #LifelongLearning #Leadership #MuseumEducation #PublicEngagement #60YearsOfWonder
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Art of Living series: Helen Sheehy, Just Willa
07/22/2025
Art of Living series: Helen Sheehy, Just Willa
Today’s story begins in a barrel, and today’s show is brought to you by . A woman named Willa Hardesty is burning trash in the backyard, muttering, “this is hell.” She’s angry, grieving, and standing on the edge of something big. She’s not famous. She’s not looking for glory. But her life—hard-earned and fully lived—just might stop you in your tracks. 🔹 Who tells the stories of women who “weren’t famous”—but should have been? That question haunted author and biographer Helen Sheehy—until she turned it into her stunning debut novel, Just Willa. 📚 Just Willa follows the unforgettable Willa Hardesty, a Kansas farm girl who becomes a single mother, tenant farmer’s wife, and bootlegging cowboy’s partner. Her life brushes up against nearly every major event of the 20th century—from the Dust Bowl and Great Depression to the polio epidemic and rural electrification. 🎙️ On the latest episode of The Not Old Better Show, I sat down with Helen to talk about Willa—who’s based on her own mother—and the 20-year journey to bring this extraordinary “ordinary” woman to life. Sheehy’s years of biographical writing blend beautifully with her gift for dialogue, scene, and emotional depth. 🕯️ This is more than historical fiction—it’s an excavation of memory, family, and the deep ties between mothers and daughters. For our audience, especially those reflecting on their own legacy or wondering how to tell their family's stories, this episode hits home. 💬 We talk loss, resilience, farming, bootlegging—and the courage it takes to write what you don’t know, but feel in your soul. 📡 Listen now at: #Storytelling #AuthorInterview #HistoricalFiction #PodcastRecommendation #WomensHistory #ArtOfLiving #NotOldBetter Today’s show is brought to you by .
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Sun Protection That Works: Sabina Wizemann on the Science of Smarter Skincare
07/21/2025
Sun Protection That Works: Sabina Wizemann on the Science of Smarter Skincare
☀️ Your sunscreen might say SPF 50—but what does that really mean? Chemist and Beauty Lab Director Sabina Wizemann has answers. From UVA myths to white cast truths, she breaks it all down—science, no fluff 🌞Is your sunscreen actually doing what it promises? Many of us apply it daily—some of us still forget—but few of us truly understand what’s in that bottle. Especially those of us 50 and older, who’ve spent decades under the sun. That’s where Sabina Wizemann comes in. Sabina is the Beauty, Health & Sustainability Lab Director at the Good Housekeeping Institute. She’s a trained chemist with over 16 years in the personal care and pharmaceutical industries, and she’s tested hundreds of sunscreens to determine which ones really work—for all skin types, tones, and ages. In this week’s episode of The Not Old Better Show: Good, Better, Best: Good Housekeeping Interview Series, Sabina gives us the clear, science-backed truth behind the SPF labels. Chemical vs. mineral? White cast worries? UVA vs. UVB? Sabina breaks it all down in a way that’s engaging, entertaining, and easy to understand—even if you haven’t touched a chemistry book since high school. She also shares how her lab evaluates sunscreens—not just for performance but for how they feel, absorb, and wear on real skin. That’s the kind of research that makes a difference when you’re choosing a product you’ll wear every day. And yes, she gives her top picks. 🎧 Whether you’re outdoors daily, or just looking to make smarter skin health choices—especially as we age—this is one conversation you’ll want to hear: https://apple.co/3FAbebT #SkincareScience #SunscreenFacts #HealthyAging #BeautyLab #SunSafety #NotOldBetter #GoodHousekeeping #50PlusLiving
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The Great Museum of the Sea: Why Shipwrecks Capture the Imagination
07/20/2025
The Great Museum of the Sea: Why Shipwrecks Capture the Imagination
🌊 What do shipwrecks really reveal about us? In this special episode of The Not Old – Better Show, produced in collaboration with , we’re celebrating 60 years of learning and discovery by going deep—literally—with maritime archaeologist Dr. James P. Delgado. From the wreck of the Titanic to the sunken slave ship Clotilda, Delgado shares powerful stories from decades of underwater exploration. These aren't just relics—they're reflections of our history, identity, and humanity. Join us in honoring the Smithsonian Associates’ 60th Anniversary with a conversation that reminds us how far we’ve come—and how much the past still lives beneath the surface. 🎧 Listen to the full episode now on 📘 Discover The Great Museum of the Sea #SmithsonianAssociates #60YearsOfLearning #NotOldBetter #ShipwreckHistory #UnderwaterArchaeology #LifelongLearning
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The Indispensables: How the Marblehead Regiment Saved Washington’s Army
07/14/2025
The Indispensables: How the Marblehead Regiment Saved Washington’s Army
The Indispensables: How the Marblehead Regiment Saved Washington’s Army The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates Interview Series 🎧 They didn’t just serve Washington—they saved the Revolution. Listen now: 👉 🪖 They weren't just soldiers. They were fishermen, craftsmen, abolitionists, and immigrants. 🫱🏽🫲🏼 Black, white, Native American, and Hispanic—united not by uniform, but by purpose. 🎙️ On the latest episode of I sat down with acclaimed military historian and author Patrick K. O’Donnell to uncover the nearly lost story of The Indispensables—a Marblehead, Massachusetts regiment that quite literally carried the Revolution on their backs... and in their boats. Patrick O’Donnell will be appearing at Smithsonian Associates coming up and the title of his presentation is The Indispensables: How the Marblehead Regiment Saved Washington’s Army. , but we have Smithsonian Associate Patrick O’Donnell today! 🌊 From rowing Washington across the ice-filled Delaware on Christmas night... ⚓ To creating the foundations of the U.S. Navy... 🧪 To leading one of America’s first public health responses to a deadly virus outbreak... …these soldier-mariners defined what it means to serve a country still being imagined. 📚 Patrick’s storytelling is immersive, human, and deeply researched—bringing back voices that history left behind. Including the “canceled” Revolutionary War-era doctor who was shunned, then went on to save the entire Continental Army. 🇺🇸 This isn’t just a story of battle—it’s a story of character, community, and what happens when ordinary people do extraordinary things. If you believe in the power of history to teach us something about the present… this one’s worth your time. 🔗 Listen now: https://apple.co/3FAbebT 💬 And if you’re moved by the conversation—drop a comment or share with someone who’d love this. NotOldBetter #SmithsonianAssociates #AmericanHistory #Leadership #Veterans #MilitaryHistory #RevolutionaryWar #PatrickODonnell #LifelongLearning #AgingBoldly #DiversityInHistory For more details, please check out Smithsonian Associates:
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