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Bracing for the Real Estate Bang

The Real Estate Market Watch - current events through a real estate lens.

Release Date: 06/10/2025

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The Real Estate Market Watch - current events through a real estate lens.

Mark Zandi is one of the few economists who can do two things at once: explain what is happening in the data, and explain why households experience it so differently. He is the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, and in our conversation, the last of my podcast series this year and the second of two Holiday Specials, he connected inflation, affordability, market structure, and geopolitics in a way CRE professionals will recognize immediately.   The theme was simple, but not comforting: affordability is no longer a “cycle” story - it is becoming structural. And the US economy is...

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Ken Rogoff does not trade in headlines or market timing. He trades in history.   As Professor of Economics at Harvard and co-author of This Time Is Different, Rogoff has spent decades studying what happens when societies convince themselves old rules no longer apply. His latest book, Our Dollar, Your Problem, extends that lens to today’s economy – and to the quiet assumptions underpinning U.S. financial dominance.   In our conversation, Rogoff unpacked why the dollar’s “exorbitant privilege” still matters, why it is slowly eroding, and why the real risks facing the...

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What do the most disciplined investors in real estate have in common right now?   They’re not chasing themes. They’re not waiting for perfect headlines.   They’re buying when pricing resets and protecting capital at all costs.   That’s why my conversation with Onic Palandjian, partner at Group RMK, is worth your time.   Onic helps steward a family office platform that has grown from $500 million to $2.5 billion by doing something increasingly rare in CRE: investing with patience, low leverage, and long-duration discipline. Their model is built on loss...

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In this week’s episode, I spoke with Lisa Knee, Managing Partner of Real Estate Services at EisnerAmper, one of the largest tax and advisory firms serving institutional owners, funds, developers, and family offices across the country.   Lisa works with clients who “touch dirt, own dirt, work with dirt” and her view is clear: the tax landscape has stopped moving, but the real estate market hasn’t found its footing.   She breaks down what the One Big Beautiful Bill actually settled (199A permanence, 100 percent bonus depreciation, renewed Opportunity Zone rules), and why...

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Jeff Rosenberg brings a multi-generation perspective to open-air, retail shopping centers, a sector most investors once wrote off.   His family built and operated supermarkets and the centers around them starting in the 1940s. Big V Property Group grew out of that platform and today controls a $2.5 billion, 9 million square foot national portfolio of open-air shopping centers anchored by the likes of Target, TJX brands, Ross, HomeGoods, Sierra Trading, and others.   That background matters: Big V understands how retailers actually make money, how store-level performance drives...

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Jeff Brown has spent the last 15 years building exactly the kind of platform most sponsors say they want and very few actually execute: niche, disciplined, and trusted by the wealth-management channel.   As founder and CIO of T2 Capital Management, he’s grown a $1bn platform focused on three things: bridge lending, student housing, and B/C multifamily ‘on the banks of the Mississippi.’ Most of his capital comes from RIAs – a channel many sponsors talk about but rarely crack.   In our conversation, we talked about what it really looks like when investors are bruised,...

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My guest today, Tim Bodner, doesn’t just analyze capital markets - he helps shape them. As Partner at PwC and Global Leader of its Real Estate Deals business, Tim advises some of the world’s largest investors – pensions, sovereign wealth funds, REITs, private capital firms - on transactions exceeding $300 billion.   He also is a contributor to PwC’s Global Real Estate and Real Assets Deals Outlook, giving him a uniquely panoramic view of how capital, policy, and real assets now intersect.   In our conversation, Tim explains why the capital stack is being redrawn. ...

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Richard Tucker has seen every phase of retail, from enclosed malls to mixed-use, and still chooses the least glamorous corner of the sector: small-bay, necessity-driven strip centers.   As CEO of Tucker Development, a 10MM square foot development company, he’s now systematizing that playbook into a Midwest portfolio with modest leverage, steady cash, and an exit designed for institutions.   In a market obsessed with timing the rate cycle, this is an operator’s strategy: buy centers with proven tenancy, fix physical frictions (depth, access, service lanes), keep leverage low...

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Michael Procopio runs a fourth-generation, vertically integrated ground up multifamily development company, Procopio Companies, that’s active across the Northeast, Carolinas, Texas, and Florida, 10–12 ground-up projects at a time, from entitlement through construction and hospitality-style management.   In other words: he’s shipping when many sponsors can’t.   In my conversation with Michael, we talked about how to get deals done in a market where institutions say they’re “active” but still hesitate, why capital structure, not just cap rates, decides feasibility,...

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Sean Burton runs one of the most integrated multifamily platforms on the West Coast. As CEO of Cityview, he oversees development, construction management, and property management across ~40 assets in supply-constrained markets. That full-stack view matters right now because capital is moving—and underwriting discipline will separate winners from passengers.   Theme: Debt is back, development capital is selectively returning, and OZ 2.0 arrives in 2027. But the only rate that really matters for valuations is the 10-year, not the headline cut. If you build your thesis on structure, not...

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The Looming Crisis Few Want to Confront
Paul Daneshrad, CEO of StarPoint Properties and author of Money and Morons, is sounding the alarm: the United States is barreling toward a sovereign debt reckoning – and real estate professionals are not nearly prepared.
 
Citing economists Reinhart and Rogoff, along with voices as diverse as Jamie Dimon, Jerome Powell, and Ray Dalio, Daneshrad warns that the U.S. has not only crossed the 100% debt-to-GDP threshold, widely viewed as a critical danger zone, but has kept accelerating. "We're at 120 to 140% on-balance-sheet," he notes. "If you include off-balance-sheet liabilities, we're at 300%."
While the exact timing of the crisis is unknowable, Daneshrad argues that its inevitability is not. “It’s not a question of if – it’s when.”
 
Politics, Populism, and Normalcy Bias
Daneshrad is quick to dismiss the conventional partisan narrative. The deficit is no longer a left-right issue, it’s a bipartisan affliction. Both political parties, he argues, are fueling structural imbalances. Worse, the electorate, while voicing concern, refuses to vote for hard choices.
 
This disconnect is the heart of his book’s provocative title: Money and Morons. “86% of Americans say they’re worried about the debt,” he says. “But they won’t vote for politicians willing to solve it, because that solution involves pain.”
 
The result is what psychologists call “normalcy bias” – an instinct to ignore looming threats and retreat into the comfort of the familiar.
 
Fixed-Rate Fortresses: Real Estate’s First Line of Defense
If the debt crisis triggers hyperinflation and a spike in interest rates, as Daneshrad expects, the implications for real estate will be seismic. His response? Radical preparation.
 
StarPoint has already begun shifting its portfolio into 20+ year fixed-rate debt and is moving toward 30-year structures. “It’s painful. It’s more expensive. But if the crisis comes in eight years, and you’ve got two years left on a 10-year loan, you’re vulnerable.”
 
He emphasizes that this is not a fringe view. “Even Powell, whose mandate doesn’t include the deficit, felt compelled to warn the public. That’s how serious it is.”
 
Deleveraging with Purpose
Debt levels at StarPoint are also coming down – fast. The firm is targeting 40% leverage, down from a peak of 70%. They currently sit at 54%, and the journey continues.
 
The rationale is clear: when interest rates jump from 6% to 15%, the re-pricing of real estate will be brutal. “That’s trillions in lost value,” says Daneshrad. “You have to de-risk now.”
 
The Forgotten Asset: Cash
Cash, often derided for its lack of yield in boom times, plays a central role in Daneshrad’s playbook. “The Rockefellers, Kennedys, Guggenheims – they had cash when it mattered. They bought at two cents on the dollar.”
 
Berkshire Hathaway’s record cash holdings reinforce this strategy. “Buffett sees limited opportunity right now and high risk. That should tell you something.”
 
Daneshrad recommends targeting cash reserves as a percentage of either AUM or annual free cash flow, steadily building them over time. "Public companies get punished for it. Private firms like ours have more flexibility and we’re using it."
 
Why He’s Not Buying (Yet)
Despite market dislocation, Daneshrad says StarPoint is mostly sitting on the sidelines. Cap rate spreads don’t justify the risk, and few deals offer the deep value he’s targeting.
 
“We’re looking for rebound plays where sellers are on their third buyer and need certainty of close. That’s where the discounts are. But those opportunities are rare.”
 
Asked whether the mispricing stems from short-term underwriting or optimism bias, he shrugs. “We’ve flooded the system with liquidity. Asset prices are artificially propped up.”
 
Diversification and the Limits of Real Estate
Daneshrad is not betting the farm on U.S. real estate. He’s pursuing modest geographic diversification abroad and expanding into non-real estate asset classes. “Historically, real estate hedges inflation well but a debt crisis changes everything.”
 
He’s candid about the difficulty: “We’re not that smart. Timing a crisis is hard. But we can prepare for one.”
 
The Aging America Conundrum
One of the more nuanced points Daneshrad raises is the intersection of demography and fiscal sustainability. Aging, he agrees, is inevitable. But the care infrastructure it requires is not financially supported. “The trustees for Social Security and Medicare, not politicians, say the funds go bankrupt in under ten years. That’s $90 trillion in off-balance-sheet liabilities.”
Senior housing? “A great idea if the elderly can pay. But with savings rates at historic lows, I’m not optimistic.”
 
Market Signals That Matter
Daneshrad watches for three early signs of crisis:
  1. A gradual rise in interest rates – not driven by Fed hikes but by market demands for higher risk premiums.
  2. Breakdown of the flight-to-safety dynamic – if equities fall but bond yields rise, that’s a red flag.
  3. The ‘bang moment’ – as coined by Reinhart and Rogoff, when confidence evaporates overnight.
As Hemingway once said about bankruptcy, it happens "gradually, then suddenly."
 
What He’d Do with $1 Million Today
If handed an extra million in cash, Daneshrad says he’d hold 80% in cash and invest the rest. “Protect the capital. Diversify over multiple asset classes. Liquidity is opportunity.”
 
Final Word
Paul Daneshrad’s message is sobering but clear: “Protect. Prepare. Don’t pretend.”
He doesn’t claim to predict the future. But if you accept the warnings from the smartest voices in finance and economics, the case for defensive posturing is overwhelming.
 
And if they’re wrong? You lose a few basis points. But if they’re right you survive the bang.
 
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In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing.
 
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