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Navigating Risk, Noise, and Uncertainty

The Real Estate Market Watch - current events through a real estate lens.

Release Date: 06/25/2025

Affordability Is Now Structural, Not Cyclical show art Affordability Is Now Structural, Not Cyclical

The Real Estate Market Watch - current events through a real estate lens.

Mark Zandi is one of the few economists who can do two things at once: explain what is happening in the data, and explain why households experience it so differently. He is the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, and in our conversation, the last of my podcast series this year and the second of two Holiday Specials, he connected inflation, affordability, market structure, and geopolitics in a way CRE professionals will recognize immediately.   The theme was simple, but not comforting: affordability is no longer a “cycle” story - it is becoming structural. And the US economy is...

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“This Time Is Different” – Yet Again show art “This Time Is Different” – Yet Again

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Ken Rogoff does not trade in headlines or market timing. He trades in history.   As Professor of Economics at Harvard and co-author of This Time Is Different, Rogoff has spent decades studying what happens when societies convince themselves old rules no longer apply. His latest book, Our Dollar, Your Problem, extends that lens to today’s economy – and to the quiet assumptions underpinning U.S. financial dominance.   In our conversation, Rogoff unpacked why the dollar’s “exorbitant privilege” still matters, why it is slowly eroding, and why the real risks facing the...

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A Family Office Playbook for Real Estate show art A Family Office Playbook for Real Estate

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What do the most disciplined investors in real estate have in common right now?   They’re not chasing themes. They’re not waiting for perfect headlines.   They’re buying when pricing resets and protecting capital at all costs.   That’s why my conversation with Onic Palandjian, partner at Group RMK, is worth your time.   Onic helps steward a family office platform that has grown from $500 million to $2.5 billion by doing something increasingly rare in CRE: investing with patience, low leverage, and long-duration discipline. Their model is built on loss...

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Tax Certainty in an Uncertain Market show art Tax Certainty in an Uncertain Market

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In this week’s episode, I spoke with Lisa Knee, Managing Partner of Real Estate Services at EisnerAmper, one of the largest tax and advisory firms serving institutional owners, funds, developers, and family offices across the country.   Lisa works with clients who “touch dirt, own dirt, work with dirt” and her view is clear: the tax landscape has stopped moving, but the real estate market hasn’t found its footing.   She breaks down what the One Big Beautiful Bill actually settled (199A permanence, 100 percent bonus depreciation, renewed Opportunity Zone rules), and why...

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Winning Big in Retail show art Winning Big in Retail

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Jeff Rosenberg brings a multi-generation perspective to open-air, retail shopping centers, a sector most investors once wrote off.   His family built and operated supermarkets and the centers around them starting in the 1940s. Big V Property Group grew out of that platform and today controls a $2.5 billion, 9 million square foot national portfolio of open-air shopping centers anchored by the likes of Target, TJX brands, Ross, HomeGoods, Sierra Trading, and others.   That background matters: Big V understands how retailers actually make money, how store-level performance drives...

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What RIAs Really Want From Real Estate show art What RIAs Really Want From Real Estate

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Jeff Brown has spent the last 15 years building exactly the kind of platform most sponsors say they want and very few actually execute: niche, disciplined, and trusted by the wealth-management channel.   As founder and CIO of T2 Capital Management, he’s grown a $1bn platform focused on three things: bridge lending, student housing, and B/C multifamily ‘on the banks of the Mississippi.’ Most of his capital comes from RIAs – a channel many sponsors talk about but rarely crack.   In our conversation, we talked about what it really looks like when investors are bruised,...

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Retail Capital Is Rewriting CRE show art Retail Capital Is Rewriting CRE

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My guest today, Tim Bodner, doesn’t just analyze capital markets - he helps shape them. As Partner at PwC and Global Leader of its Real Estate Deals business, Tim advises some of the world’s largest investors – pensions, sovereign wealth funds, REITs, private capital firms - on transactions exceeding $300 billion.   He also is a contributor to PwC’s Global Real Estate and Real Assets Deals Outlook, giving him a uniquely panoramic view of how capital, policy, and real assets now intersect.   In our conversation, Tim explains why the capital stack is being redrawn. ...

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Why Small Shops Beat Big Boxes show art Why Small Shops Beat Big Boxes

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Richard Tucker has seen every phase of retail, from enclosed malls to mixed-use, and still chooses the least glamorous corner of the sector: small-bay, necessity-driven strip centers.   As CEO of Tucker Development, a 10MM square foot development company, he’s now systematizing that playbook into a Midwest portfolio with modest leverage, steady cash, and an exit designed for institutions.   In a market obsessed with timing the rate cycle, this is an operator’s strategy: buy centers with proven tenancy, fix physical frictions (depth, access, service lanes), keep leverage low...

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Building Multifamily When Others Pause show art Building Multifamily When Others Pause

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Michael Procopio runs a fourth-generation, vertically integrated ground up multifamily development company, Procopio Companies, that’s active across the Northeast, Carolinas, Texas, and Florida, 10–12 ground-up projects at a time, from entitlement through construction and hospitality-style management.   In other words: he’s shipping when many sponsors can’t.   In my conversation with Michael, we talked about how to get deals done in a market where institutions say they’re “active” but still hesitate, why capital structure, not just cap rates, decides feasibility,...

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Cautious Optimism for Multifamily show art Cautious Optimism for Multifamily

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Sean Burton runs one of the most integrated multifamily platforms on the West Coast. As CEO of Cityview, he oversees development, construction management, and property management across ~40 assets in supply-constrained markets. That full-stack view matters right now because capital is moving—and underwriting discipline will separate winners from passengers.   Theme: Debt is back, development capital is selectively returning, and OZ 2.0 arrives in 2027. But the only rate that really matters for valuations is the 10-year, not the headline cut. If you build your thesis on structure, not...

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Navigating Risk, Noise, and Uncertainty: Barry Ritholtz on Investing in a Volatile World
 
In my conversation with Barry Ritholtz, chairman of Ritholtz Wealth Management and host of Bloomberg’s “Masters in Business” podcast, we explored market and real estate cycles, caution, and capital allocation in today’s increasingly unpredictable economic environment. Below are the most actionable and provocative takeaways for real estate investors, both passive and professional, drawn from Barry’s decades of lessons and market observations.
 
Origins of Insight: From Blog to Bloomberg
Ritholtz didn’t set out to run a multi-billion-dollar firm. What started as daily trading notes eventually evolved into a blog, a book, Bailout Nation, and a platform that positioned him to correctly call both the top and bottom of the 2008 financial crisis. This journey, grounded in curiosity and behavioral finance, shaped the contrarian and data-driven approach he still employs today.
 
"I just wanted to know why some people made money while others didn’t doing the same thing."
 
The 2008 Playbook: Behavioral Edge Over Economic Models
Ritholtz attributes his early warning of the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) to non-traditional thinking and real estate roots (his mother was a real estate agent). Observing abnormal refinancing activity and "cash-out mania" led him to investigate securitized debt and derivative risk, well before it was mainstream.
 
He reverse-engineered risk from Reinhart & Rogoff’s crisis research and famously predicted the Dow’s decline to ~6,800—earning mockery initially, then vindication.
 
Echoes of 2008? Why This Time Feels Precarious
While he stops short of predicting a crisis, Ritholtz allows for a 10–15% probability of a self-inflicted depression – a worst-case scenario rooted not in structural weakness, but political mismanagement.
 
“It [is an] asymmetrical risk to take one bullet, put it in a six shooter, spin the wheel, and put it up against your head with a $28 trillion economy.”
 
From tariffs to immigration policy to fiscal gamesmanship, Ritholtz sees signs that the U.S. may be eroding the long-standing trust that underpins reserve currency status and global capital flows.
 
Cash Isn’t a Plan, Discipline Is
When asked whether it makes sense to sit in cash and wait out the next downturn, Ritholtz counters with behavioral caution. Historically, those who “go to cash” rarely reenter at the right time and often miss the rebound entirely.
 
“If you're going to sit out in cash, do you have the temperament, the discipline to get back in?”
Instead, he recommends building resilience: modest leverage, long-term focus, and capital efficiency – hallmarks of legends like Sam Zell, who Ritholtz holds up as a model of disciplined real estate investing.
 
A Word on Leverage: Use with Extreme Care
High leverage is the common thread in stories of ruin. Ritholtz referenced the downfall of the Peloton CEO, who borrowed heavily against inflated stock. The same caution applies to over-leveraged real estate investors, especially those who haven’t endured a full cycle.
 
“Market crashes are where capital returns to its rightful owners.”
 
For CRE sponsors, now is the time to refinance where possible, preserve cash, and maintain flexibility, even if that means lower IRR projections.
 
How to Filter the Noise: Create an Information Diet
Ritholtz emphasized the need to tune out “financial candy from strangers” – the firehose of social media, Substacks, and hot takes by unvetted commentators.
 
“They don’t know your zip code, your goals, your tax bracket. Why would you trust them?”
He recommends identifying a shortlist of credible voices with defined, rational processes and a record of sound judgment. “Build your A-Team,” he advises. “Then ignore the rest.”
 
Real Estate Today: Not Monolithic, but Multifaceted
Unlike equities, real estate behaves very differently depending on location, asset class, and capital structure. While some sectors (e.g., Class B office) remain distressed, others (e.g., data centers, multifamily in select markets, industrial) are faring relatively well.
 
“Literally, there are properties [Zell] held for half a century. He was long term… used modest amounts of leverage, and he bought great properties at even better prices.”
 
Ritholtz warns against painting real estate with a broad brush and urges nuanced thinking about cycles, risk-adjusted return, and operator quality.
 
Sentiment vs. Signals: What to Watch Now
While he downplays the predictive power of investor sentiment, Ritholtz monitors:
  • Three-month moving averages of non-farm payrolls
  • Rounded tops in S&P earnings trends
  • Residential real estate supply conditions in key metros
  • Dollar strength (as a proxy for confidence and capital flows)
“If the dollar keeps falling and supply starts rising in housing markets, it’s time to pay attention.”
 
Dollar, Debt, and the Doomsayers
Ritholtz is blunt about the debt debate. He finds most public discourse alarmist and often wrong. With the U.S. still enjoying reserve currency privileges, he sees no imminent collapse but warns against complacency.
 
“We’ve been hearing the deficit will destroy America for 50 years. It hasn’t. But bad policy could.”
 
He is more concerned with underinvestment in infrastructure and human capital than with rising debt levels per se.
 
Closing Counsel for Investors
For those sitting on fresh capital, say $1 million, Ritholtz advises:
  1. Clarify your goals (retirement, education, housing).
  2. Max out tax-advantaged accounts.
  3. Build a core of low-cost index exposure.
  4. Don’t chase alpha before securing beta.
  5. Avoid overcomplexity: “Two dozen funds is not a portfolio.”
His parting message? Discipline beats prediction. And humility is a superpower.
 
Final Thought
“Everyone is faking it to some degree. The real danger isn’t what you don’t know – it’s not knowing what you don’t know.”
 
In an age of volatility and noise, Ritholtz’s framework stands out: stay informed, stay skeptical, and invest like risk is real – because it is.
 
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In this series, I cut through the noise to examine how shifting macroeconomic forces and rising geopolitical risk are reshaping real estate investing.
 
With insights from economists, academics, and seasoned professionals, this show helps investors respond to market uncertainty with clarity, discipline, and a focus on downside protection. 
 
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