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The New Real Estate Cycle Begins

The Real Estate Market Watch - current events through a real estate lens.

Release Date: 07/22/2025

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The Real Estate Market Watch - current events through a real estate lens.

Mark Zandi is one of the few economists who can do two things at once: explain what is happening in the data, and explain why households experience it so differently. He is the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, and in our conversation, the last of my podcast series this year and the second of two Holiday Specials, he connected inflation, affordability, market structure, and geopolitics in a way CRE professionals will recognize immediately.   The theme was simple, but not comforting: affordability is no longer a “cycle” story - it is becoming structural. And the US economy is...

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Ken Rogoff does not trade in headlines or market timing. He trades in history.   As Professor of Economics at Harvard and co-author of This Time Is Different, Rogoff has spent decades studying what happens when societies convince themselves old rules no longer apply. His latest book, Our Dollar, Your Problem, extends that lens to today’s economy – and to the quiet assumptions underpinning U.S. financial dominance.   In our conversation, Rogoff unpacked why the dollar’s “exorbitant privilege” still matters, why it is slowly eroding, and why the real risks facing the...

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What do the most disciplined investors in real estate have in common right now?   They’re not chasing themes. They’re not waiting for perfect headlines.   They’re buying when pricing resets and protecting capital at all costs.   That’s why my conversation with Onic Palandjian, partner at Group RMK, is worth your time.   Onic helps steward a family office platform that has grown from $500 million to $2.5 billion by doing something increasingly rare in CRE: investing with patience, low leverage, and long-duration discipline. Their model is built on loss...

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In this week’s episode, I spoke with Lisa Knee, Managing Partner of Real Estate Services at EisnerAmper, one of the largest tax and advisory firms serving institutional owners, funds, developers, and family offices across the country.   Lisa works with clients who “touch dirt, own dirt, work with dirt” and her view is clear: the tax landscape has stopped moving, but the real estate market hasn’t found its footing.   She breaks down what the One Big Beautiful Bill actually settled (199A permanence, 100 percent bonus depreciation, renewed Opportunity Zone rules), and why...

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Jeff Rosenberg brings a multi-generation perspective to open-air, retail shopping centers, a sector most investors once wrote off.   His family built and operated supermarkets and the centers around them starting in the 1940s. Big V Property Group grew out of that platform and today controls a $2.5 billion, 9 million square foot national portfolio of open-air shopping centers anchored by the likes of Target, TJX brands, Ross, HomeGoods, Sierra Trading, and others.   That background matters: Big V understands how retailers actually make money, how store-level performance drives...

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Jeff Brown has spent the last 15 years building exactly the kind of platform most sponsors say they want and very few actually execute: niche, disciplined, and trusted by the wealth-management channel.   As founder and CIO of T2 Capital Management, he’s grown a $1bn platform focused on three things: bridge lending, student housing, and B/C multifamily ‘on the banks of the Mississippi.’ Most of his capital comes from RIAs – a channel many sponsors talk about but rarely crack.   In our conversation, we talked about what it really looks like when investors are bruised,...

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My guest today, Tim Bodner, doesn’t just analyze capital markets - he helps shape them. As Partner at PwC and Global Leader of its Real Estate Deals business, Tim advises some of the world’s largest investors – pensions, sovereign wealth funds, REITs, private capital firms - on transactions exceeding $300 billion.   He also is a contributor to PwC’s Global Real Estate and Real Assets Deals Outlook, giving him a uniquely panoramic view of how capital, policy, and real assets now intersect.   In our conversation, Tim explains why the capital stack is being redrawn. ...

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Richard Tucker has seen every phase of retail, from enclosed malls to mixed-use, and still chooses the least glamorous corner of the sector: small-bay, necessity-driven strip centers.   As CEO of Tucker Development, a 10MM square foot development company, he’s now systematizing that playbook into a Midwest portfolio with modest leverage, steady cash, and an exit designed for institutions.   In a market obsessed with timing the rate cycle, this is an operator’s strategy: buy centers with proven tenancy, fix physical frictions (depth, access, service lanes), keep leverage low...

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Michael Procopio runs a fourth-generation, vertically integrated ground up multifamily development company, Procopio Companies, that’s active across the Northeast, Carolinas, Texas, and Florida, 10–12 ground-up projects at a time, from entitlement through construction and hospitality-style management.   In other words: he’s shipping when many sponsors can’t.   In my conversation with Michael, we talked about how to get deals done in a market where institutions say they’re “active” but still hesitate, why capital structure, not just cap rates, decides feasibility,...

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Sean Burton runs one of the most integrated multifamily platforms on the West Coast. As CEO of Cityview, he oversees development, construction management, and property management across ~40 assets in supply-constrained markets. That full-stack view matters right now because capital is moving—and underwriting discipline will separate winners from passengers.   Theme: Debt is back, development capital is selectively returning, and OZ 2.0 arrives in 2027. But the only rate that really matters for valuations is the 10-year, not the headline cut. If you build your thesis on structure, not...

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A Mild Ending, A Fresh Start: Richard Barkham’s Post-CBRE View of the CRE Market
 
The End of a Cycle - Without the Crash
After 40 years in the field and a distinguished final act as Global Chief Economist at CBRE, Richard Barkham’s take on the state of commercial real estate is disarmingly calm. “This has been the mildest end of cycle that we've seen in 40 years – in fact, in my whole career,” he says.
Unlike previous downturns - 1989, 2000, 2008 - which were accompanied by macroeconomic crises, today’s cycle-end feels strangely undramatic. Vacancy rates have risen, prices have declined 25-30%, and capital markets activity has bottomed out, but there’s been no systemic financial collapse.
 
Why?
 
In Barkham’s view, the macro cycle hasn’t ended. “We've got the end of a real estate cycle, but no end of the macro cycle.” Yet.
 
This divergence - CRE in a correction, the economy still growing - frames his optimistic outlook for real estate.
 
Stimulus, Not Stability
The recent U.S. tax bill has added short-term fuel to the macro picture. Barkham describes it as a “stimulatory” package: it injects fiscal stimulus into an already resilient economy, even if the longer-term consequences include rising national debt and pressure on Treasury yields. "There’s a degree of stimulus in that bill… which will allow a certain amount of certainty, confidence and stimulus to boost growth.”
 
But not all stimulus is equal. Barkham worries that “the higher the debt-to-GDP ratio goes, the more upward pressure there is on the ten-year Treasury,” which forms the basis for CRE pricing. He sees an elevated 10-year yield, anchored in the 4–4.5% range, as a likely headwind for valuations, particularly for highly levered deals.
 
Still, he believes the U.S. economy can absorb this, at least for now. “The U.S. isn’t going to fall over,” he says. “The tax bill will boost growth, but it will also keep the ten-year Treasury elevated.”
 
Banks Are Lending Cautiously
Contrary to headlines about a $950 billion wall of maturities and doom-laden refinancing cliffs, Barkham is sanguine about debt markets. He credits both the structural health of CRE and the Fed’s deft handling of last year’s banking turbulence.
 
“Banks have been very, very unwilling to take loans back,” he explains. “Where assets can still service loans, banks have been willing to extend… There might have been some cash in refinancing, but the wall of debt is a non-issue, frankly.”
 
Even deregulation in the new tax bill could loosen credit conditions further. Barkham predicts larger banks will expand their share of real estate lending as capital requirements ease. “That just broadens the source of debt, which is good for market liquidity,” he says.
 
The Start of a New Real Estate Cycle
While macro conditions may be mid-to-late cycle, CRE is in Barkham’s view at the start of a new cycle. The real estate cycle that began in 2014 has ended, and signs of early recovery - vacancy stabilization, limited new construction, and a flight to quality - are evident.
 
“You’ve got all the inventory from the last cycle… people are moving into newer, better assets,” he says. “Eventually, when that runs out, new development resumes. But we’re not there yet.”
He sees real estate as “very investable right now,” particularly for those concerned about inflation. “If we are in a higher inflation environment - with the stimulus, with the pressure on the Fed politically to bring down interest rates - then I think it’s a good time to invest in real estate.”
 
Inflation, Interest Rates, and the Fed’s Delicate Dance
Barkham’s macroeconomic outlook is nuanced. While he acknowledges the Fed may eventually ease, trade tariffs and domestic manufacturing policies could delay rate cuts by adding inflationary pressure. “It’ll take a while for the Fed to make sure tariffs don’t feed into second and third round inflation,” he notes.
 
He pays special attention to real interest rates - the difference between nominal rates and inflation expectations - as a signal of latent financial stress. If inflation surprises to the downside, as it has recently, real rates rise and that can squeeze assets across the economy.
 
But he tempers this with perspective. “Real estate tends to do quite well over the long term. Not necessarily in the six- or 12-month period, but over time.”
 
Sectors to Watch: Healthcare, Digital, and Travel
Demographics and technology shape Barkham’s long-term sector views. He sees aging as a structural tailwind but cautions against oversimplifying it. The boomer generation, now in their 60s and early 70s, are not just healthcare consumers, they’re also travelers.
 
“Those are prime-age travelers,” he notes. “If you're looking for sectors that are going to benefit from boomer retirement, look at travel… everything from Airbnb to different hotel types.”
 
Healthcare and digital economy trends also feature prominently. He encourages investors to monitor how people are working, living, and consuming services. Hybrid work and digital delivery models are reshaping occupier demand and investors must follow these patterns, not just macro charts.
 
Final Advice: Keep Leverage Low, Go Prime
For those looking to deploy capital now, Barkham’s advice is clear and grounded: “Keep your debt low. Focus on prime grade assets. Invest in the sectors that have the tailwinds of demographics and technology.”
 
The key is to remain alert to tenant exposure and the consumer's vulnerability in any upcoming recession. “Just watch the sensitivity of your real estate to a consumer downturn,” he warns.
With policy uncertainty, an aging population, and structural change across industries, Barkham offers a final reminder: real estate is both cyclical and structural. The best strategies pay attention to both.
 
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