Sana Ali: A Woman Entrepreneur builds Trust and Empathy
Release Date: 09/15/2025
On the Brink with Andi Simon
What Sets Humans Apart? Key lessons from my conversation with Dr. Robin Hills .As artificial intelligence accelerates and reshapes how we work, learn, and communicate, one question keeps resurfacing: What remains uniquely human? That was at the heart of my recent On the Brink conversation with Dr. Robin Hills, a business psychologist and one of the world’s leading voices on emotional intelligence. Our discussion offered both reassurance and challenge—especially for leaders navigating rapid change, generational shifts, and technology-driven uncertainty. Here are the key lessons that stood...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
Humans need connection—not as a luxury, but as a foundation for thriving. Yet, in our hyper-connected world, loneliness persists. On this episode of On the Brink, I sat down with Todd Nilson, a community strategist with 25 years of experience in digital transformation and marketing for brands like Activision, Facebook, and SAP, to unpack what real community means and how to build it with intention. Who is Todd Nilson? Todd’s journey began in journalism, driven by an authentic curiosity about people and their stories. That passion evolved into a commitment to “building a bigger...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
As artificial intelligence accelerates, many leaders, founders, and professionals are quietly asking the same question: Where do I still matter? If machines can write, analyze, summarize, and even “sound” human, what is left that cannot be automated? In this episode of On the Brink, I sat down with branding strategist and neuroscientist-turned-entrepreneur , co-founder of Brand Alchemy, to explore why a personal brand—not technology—is becoming the defining asset of the future. What emerged was a powerful reframing of branding—not as self-promotion, but as survival. Branding Isn’t...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
What if the fastest route to meaningful growth isn’t about launching another ad campaign, hiring more salespeople, or optimizing your funnel? What if the real accelerator is simply listening—really listening—to what’s already happening around you? In this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I had the pleasure of sitting down with —a brilliant corporate anthropologist and innovation strategist based in Mexico. Oscar and I share a core conviction: anthropology isn’t just something you do; it’s a way of seeing the world. It allows leaders to notice subtle patterns—those...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
“Curiosity isn’t a soft skill. It’s a performance capability—and organizations are paying the price for ignoring it.” Summary What if the most powerful leadership capability isn’t having the right answers—but asking better questions? In this On the Brink with Andi Simon episode, Dr. Deborah Clary, author of The Curiosity Curve, explains why curiosity is a measurable driver of performance, engagement, and innovation—and how leaders can deliberately rebuild it to create stronger, more human-centered cultures. Why Curiosity May Be the Missing Link in Leadership and Culture Change...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
“People aren’t broken,” she told me. “Our job is not to fix them. It’s to hold them whole and complete.” On this episode of On the Brink, I had the privilege of speaking with a remarkable woman whose life journey embodies resilience, reinvention, and the profound power of choosing joy. Nicki Keohohou—bestselling author, award-winning entrepreneur, global speaker, and founder of Coach School—joined me from her home in Hawaii to reflect on the experiences that shaped her, the wisdom she teaches, and the mindset shifts we all need in today’s uncertain world. Nicki’s path...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
The first step to transformation is to stop doing what no longer works.” – Marcia Daszko On this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, I sat down with Marcia Daszko, a visionary leadership consultant and author of Pivot, Disrupt, Transform: How Leaders Beat the Odds and Survive. Marcia’s journey—from being “excruciatingly shy” to mentoring leaders at Apple, Boeing, and the U.S. Navy—reveals a rare combination of courage, curiosity, and clarity. Her lessons, rooted in the teachings of Dr. W. Edwards Deming, challenge leaders to abandon outdated management...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
What happens when two powerful women—one a psychologist devoted to leadership transformation and the other a CEO who grew up in a family-run business—join forces to rethink what it means to lead? They discover the "Sixth Level" of Leadership! On this episode of On the Brink, Stacy Feiner, PsyD and Rachel Wallis Andreasson, MBA invite us to imagine leadership not as a position of power, but as a practice rooted in purpose, connection and care. The Birth of the Sixth Level Stacy Feiner, a high-performance psychologist and coach, has long focused on helping family and mid-market...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
On this episode of On the Brink, I sat down with Dr. Max Teplitski—Chief Science Officer at the International Fresh Produce Association (IFPA)—to explore how a mindset is reshaping food safety, member value, and the future of a global industry. Max has practiced Blue Ocean thinking since his days as a professor, and today he’s applying it at scale across a trade association that represents the entire fresh produce supply chain—from seed and inputs to retailers worldwide. From Competing to Creating: IFPA’s Three Strategic Pillars Rather than fighting for attention in...
info_outlineOn the Brink with Andi Simon
Peace Through Business: Building Peace by Empowering Women Entrepreneurs In a world often torn by conflict, peace through business may sound like a lofty goal. Yet for nearly two decades, that’s exactly what Dr. Terry Neese , Monica Smiley, and the Peace Through Business Program have been accomplishing—helping women in Afghanistan, Rwanda, and now Uganda rise as entrepreneurs, leaders, and community changemakers. In the final episode of my three-part Peace Through Business podcast series, I was joined by Monica Smiley, president and founder of the Enterprising Women...
info_outlineIn this episode of On the Brink with Andi Simon, Dr. Andi Simon welcomes a remarkable young entrepreneur, Sana Ali, whose story is as surprising as it is inspiring. Just twelve years old, Sana has already built a reputation as a digital strategist helping coaches, consultants, and creators transform their online engagement into real business results. Her journey from Karachi, Pakistan, to an international podcast platform is a testament to curiosity, resilience, and the entrepreneurial spirit.
A Journey Sparked by Curiosity and Encouragement
Sana’s story began in 2023, when she was only ten years old. With encouragement from her mother, she shifted her time away from passive entertainment toward learning coding and building websites. Very quickly, she not only mastered skills far beyond her years but began to attract attention from adults—some twice or three times her age—who turned to her for guidance. This early success underscored a truth that continues to shape her path: ambition and focus are not limited by age.
Her initial LinkedIn presence grew rapidly, amassing thousands of followers. But because she was underage, the platform eventually banned her account. Instead of giving up, Sana started again, this time with a clearer vision. Rather than focusing only on coding, she saw an opportunity to address a widespread challenge: many professionals were generating likes, comments, and followers on LinkedIn, yet struggling to convert that visibility into paying clients. Sana stepped into this gap with a simple but powerful insight—engagement is nice, but clients are better.
Sana Ali is Building a New Model on LinkedIn
With her fresh approach, Sana began optimizing LinkedIn funnels. She mapped out the journey from a cold prospect to a high-ticket client, showing coaches and consultants how to stop chasing vanity metrics and start building sustainable revenue. One of her earliest breakthroughs came when a skeptical prospect realized that, despite thousands of followers, they were making no money. Sana provided strategic adjustments and, to their surprise, turned the engagement into paying clients. That success story became the first of many case studies demonstrating the effectiveness of her methods.
In conversation with Andi, Sana explained how the tactics of outreach have shifted over the years. Cold pitches and generic compliments that may have worked in 2015 no longer resonate in 2025. Instead, the new “currency” is trust. Building trust requires empathy, genuine compliments, thoughtful questions, and adding value without immediately pushing for a sale. For Sana, this approach is not theoretical—it is the lived experience of someone whose age initially raised doubts, yet whose results quickly silenced them.
The Core of Her Success: Trust and Empathy
Throughout the discussion, Sana emphasized that trust is the foundation of client relationships today. Prospects are savvy, often wary of sales pitches, and increasingly skeptical about whether they are interacting with a real human or an AI bot. Sana has mastered the art of demonstrating authenticity—through personalized conversations, empathy for her clients’ situations, and valuable insights freely given before any sales conversation.
One example she shared involved a client who joined a call while ill. Instead of pressing forward, Sana suggested rescheduling, showing genuine care for the individual. That small act of empathy built immediate trust, leading to a long-term client relationship. Stories like these highlight her maturity, compassion, and business acumen far beyond her years.
Lessons for Entrepreneurs of All Ages
The episode closes with reflections on Sana’s journey and her advice for young entrepreneurs: age should never be seen as a limitation. Whether learning coding at ten or advising adults on LinkedIn strategy by twelve, she has proven that commitment and ambition can accelerate success at any stage of life. For her, the choice to spend time building a business rather than playing video games has opened doors to opportunities she once could not have imagined.
For listeners of On the Brink, this episode is more than an inspiring story—it is a reminder of how quickly the business landscape is changing, and how younger generations are not just adapting but leading. Sana Ali embodies the entrepreneurial mindset: seeing opportunities, embracing change, and building trust in a world where trust itself has become the most valuable commodity.
You can watch our podcast on YouTube here
Connect with me:
- Website: www.simonassociates.net
- Email: info@simonassociates.net
- Books: Learn more about our books here:
Listen + Subscribe:
Available wherever you get your podcasts—Apple, Spotify, Stitcher, YouTube, and more. If you enjoyed this episode, leave a review and share with someone navigating their own leadership journey.
From Observation to Innovation,

Andi Simon, PhD
CEO | Corporate Anthropologist | Author
Simonassociates.net
Info@simonassociates.net
@simonandi
LinkedIn
CEO | Corporate Anthropologist | Author
Simonassociates.net
Info@simonassociates.net
@simonandi
LinkedIn