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Natalie Baird-King - Facing the Unforgivable: Ayahuasca, Childhood Trauma & Self-Compassion

The Psychedelic Podcast

Release Date: 06/30/2025

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In this episode of The Psychedelic Podcast, Paul F. Austin speaks with Natalie Baird-King, a board-certified attorney in marital and family law who discovered the transformative power of forgiveness through psychedelic experiences.

Find full show notes and links here: https://thethirdwave.co/podcast/episode-310/?ref=278

Natalie shares her journey from childhood abuse and depression to spiritual healing catalyzed by ayahuasca. As the author of Forgiving Unforgivable, she explains her HOPE model (Harken back, Open your heart, Proclaim forgiveness, Experience freedom) and how forgiveness—particularly self-forgiveness—became the key to healing her trauma and stepping into her purpose.

Natalie also discusses how her psychedelic experiences improved her professional approach as a mediator, bringing more compassion to her legal practice and inspiring her to share her story despite potential professional risks.

Natalie Baird-King is an accomplished author, transformational coach, and TEDx speaker dedicated to helping others overcome trauma and embrace forgiveness. She is the author of Forgiving Unforgivable and is currently working on her second book focusing on self-forgiveness. A survivor of childhood abuse, Natalie channels her personal experiences into coaching high-performing professionals to overcome emotional barriers. Inspired by her late father-in-law, legendary broadcaster Larry King, Natalie uses storytelling to empower others to heal and thrive.

Highlights:

  • Stumbling upon forgiveness through ayahuasca
  • The practice of self-forgiveness as liberation
  • Reconnecting with her father in a celestial journey
  • Breaking free from depression and alcohol dependency
  • The HOPE forgiveness model
  • Bringing compassion to the legal profession
  • Challenging professional stigma around psychedelics
  • Mentorship from legendary broadcaster Larry King
  • Advocating for psychedelic healing within legal circles
  • Transforming anger into purpose

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