Why you can't actually "get rich quick" (with Mark Batterson)
SeedTime with Bob and Linda Lotich
Release Date: 11/29/2025
He Burned Out as a Pastor (Then Discovered this…) w/Mark Buchanan
SeedTime with Bob and Linda Lotich
Most of us have quietly convinced ourselves that busy-ness is a badge of honor. Mark Buchanan believed the same thing — until it almost cost him his health, his marriage, and his connection with God. And what he found on the other side of that is something the modern church has almost entirely stopped talking about. In this conversation, Linda and I sit down with Mark Buchanan — author of The Rest of God, God Walk, and his new historical fiction novel What Is Left of the Night — to talk about why busyness kills the heart, what Sabbath really means as more than a day, how walking is a...
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You're Not Broke — You Have a Leak. Here's the Framework That Finds It.
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You're not careless with money. You try to be intentional. But somehow at the end of the month, there's still less than there should be — and you can't quite figure out where it went. What if the problem isn't discipline — but a type of spending leak that even the most careful budgeters almost never catch? In this episode, I walk through the Cost vs. Frequency Matrix — a simple framework for identifying three invisible drains that quietly bleed most middle-class budgets dry. We talk about value decay (purchases that made total sense once, but quietly stopped serving you), what the...
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Why When You Feel Least Qualified Is When God Does His Best Work
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The day Jesus fed five thousand people from almost nothing — he was also grieving the violent death of his best friend and cousin. He'd tried to get away to be alone. The crowds followed him anyway. And instead of sending them home, the Bible says "he had compassion on them." Out of his grief. Out of his exhaustion. In this episode, Linda and I walk through Matthew 14 and what was actually happening to Jesus during this wild 24-hour stretch — the grief, the exhaustion, the interrupted attempt at solitude, and the back-to-back miracles that came out of it. We also talk about what Linda...
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How to Hear the Holy Spirit About Your Finances (with Alex Seeley)
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She prayed for seven years for a breakthrough. The more she prayed, the worse things got. And she ended up on the bathroom floor saying she didn’t want to be alive anymore. What the Holy Spirit showed her in that moment — about control, about fear disguised as faith, about the difference between begging and believing — is something I haven’t been able to stop thinking about. In this episode, Linda and I sit down with Alex Seeley — author of The Divine Counselor — for one of the most honest conversations we’ve had on this show. Alex shares how a 20-year eating disorder rooted in...
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The 3 Money Tests God Gives Every Christian (And Why Most of Us Are Failing)
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Have you ever wondered why financial breakthrough feels so close yet so far? Bob and Linda Lotich reveal that God is constantly testing us with money—and most of us don't even realize it's happening. In this eye-opening conversation, they break down the three distinct money tests every believer faces, how to identify which one you're in right now, and what God is trying to teach you through it. What You'll Learn: The Three Tests - The Struggling Test - When you have less than you think you need The Surplus Test - When extra money comes your way The Stable...
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The One Verse God Said to Remember (That Everyone Forgot)
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In all of Scripture, there are only a handful of times when God explicitly tells us to "remember" something. Each time, it's attached to something vital—communion, Christ's resurrection, where we've fallen. But there's one verse where God commands us to remember a principle that much of the church seems to have forgotten entirely. In this episode, Bob and Linda explore 2 Corinthians 9:6: "Remember this—a farmer who plants only a few seeds will get a small crop, but the one who plants generously will get a generous crop." Key Topics Discussed: Why This...
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Why I think God hates our money system (and what to do about it)
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Is our money system actually working against faithful stewardship? In this episode, Bob and Linda tackle a conversation almost no one in the church is having—but one every Christian steward needs to understand. Bob opens with a shocking reality: $100 in 1971 now buys about $12 worth of stuff. Same number. Far less value. So what happened? From there, the conversation zooms out to explore inflation, fiat currency, and why Scripture repeatedly condemns unequal weights and measures. Is our modern money system quietly violating biblical principles—and if so, what...
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Your Budget Is Not a Jail Cell—It’s a Spiritual Warfare Plan
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When money is tight, a budget can feel like punishment. Like proof you messed up… or worse, proof your faith is weak. But what if that’s backwards? In this episode, Bob and Linda flip the script and show why a budget isn’t evidence of failure—it’s evidence of faith in action. Drawing from Scripture, psychology, and real-life stories, they unpack why budgeting is actually a weapon God gives us in seasons of financial pressure. If you’ve ever thought, “If God would just fix this, why do I need a spreadsheet?”—this conversation is for you. ...
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You're Meaner to Yourself Than God Is to You (w/ Earl McClellan)
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Get Your Spirit Back: Breaking Free from the Lies Holding You Back - with Pastor Earl McClellan What if the biggest thing holding you back isn’t your circumstances… but the lies you’ve believed about yourself? In this powerful, deeply honest conversation, Bob & Linda sit down with Pastor Earl McClellan, lead pastor of Shoreline City Church and author of Get Your Spirit Back, to talk about negative self-talk, fear, calling, identity, and what it really looks like to walk by faith when you’re scared. This isn’t a hype-up, “just believe harder”...
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Does a Church Salary Always Corrupt Pastors? (This Guy Says Yes)
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A viral clip claims something shocking: any pastor who gets paid by a church will eventually be corrupted by money. It’s a bold accusation — and honestly, harder to dismiss than you might think. In this episode, Bob and Linda watch the clip, slow it down, and wrestle with the real tension underneath the claim. Is the modern church system broken? Does money inevitably compromise spiritual leadership? Or is this another example of painting faithful people with too broad a brush? This conversation isn’t defensive or dismissive. It’s thoughtful, biblical,...
info_outlinePastor and bestselling author Mark Batterson joins Bob to unpack one of the most misunderstood principles of growth: the way breakthroughs actually happen—gradually, then suddenly.
From Warren Buffett’s compounding to Jim Carrey’s famed $10M check, to the long arc of ministry, writing, generosity, and family life, this conversation is a hopeful reset for anyone who feels “behind.”
In This Episode
- Why most “overnight success” stories take decades
- What 95-year-olds say they would do differently (and how it should change our lives today)
- The “25-year time machine” mindset that makes ordinary moments priceless
- Why young adults often underestimate what God can do in 10–20 years
- How Mark pastors a church with seven properties and zero debt — and the long-term mindset behind it
- Turning your church “inside out”: how NCC generates $2M/year through marketplace engagement
- The hidden power of giving goals (and the difference between getting vs. giving goals)
- The surprising truth about Buffett’s wealth: it’s not returns… it’s time
- Mark’s take on grand gestures, faith steps, and why God honors long obedience
- Bob’s story of writing a 5-year giving goal that seemed impossible—and what God did
- What to do when your dream is taking way longer than you thought
Key Quotes
- “You’ll overestimate what you can do in two years and underestimate what God can do in ten.” —Mark Batterson
- “Faith is taking the first step before God reveals the second.” —Mark Batterson
- “The greatest risk is taking no risks.” —Mark Batterson
- “We decided to do a ten-year book launch. Let’s give it a decade and see if it’s any good.” —Bob Lotich
Timestamps
00:00 — Why get-rich-quick thinking never works
01:00 — Introducing Mark Batterson & the story behind Gradually, Then Suddenly
02:00 — What 95-year-olds regret most
04:00 — The “25-year time machine” for parenting and life
05:00 — Why we plan vacations better than our futures
07:00 — The power of long-range thinking (and why it’s so rare)
08:00 — Why most people quit right before the breakthrough
10:00 — Bob’s 10-year book launch strategy
12:00 — Early results vs. long obedience
14:00 — The myth of the fast start: Circle Maker sales + slow beginnings
16:00 — Teaching a generation to love “gradually”
19:00 — Mark’s 29-year pastoral journey and miraculous property story
21:00 — Why NCC’s venue generates $2M/year
24:00 — What church leaders can learn from marketplace strategy
28:00 — Jim Carrey’s $10M check and the power of a grand gesture
29:00 — Bob’s five-year giving goal that changed everything
32:00 — How giving goals open doors for God to move
34:00 — What to do with dreams that are taking too long
35:00 — Closing encouragement + where to get the book
Resources & Links
- Mark Batterson’s new book: Gradually, Then Suddenly
- The Circle Maker by Mark Batterson
- Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel
- Perennial Seller by Ryan Holiday
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