120 [Bonus Episode] A magic key? Deeper learnings 4 years on from a late autism diagnosis
Release Date: 08/10/2024
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After the Season 10 episode with Sam Brown, AKA Mrs AuDHD, was released in the summer, a lovely listener got in touch to share their feelings about being disappointed by some of the comments Sam and I made about how we felt about having ADHD. Sam and I thought it was worth discussing our responses and reflections to the email, as it raised some really interesting questions around internalised ableism, and where any unconscious negative bias may have come from. This is our unedited conversation about it. If you missed the original episode with Sam, you might want to listen to that first -...
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info_outlineI recorded this special episode with former Squarepeg guest Sophie Longley. I last spoke with Sophie at the end of 2020, when she was working as an English teacher in Singapore and was about to start her Masters in Experimental psychology at the University of Sussex. (If you’d like to go back and listen to her original episode again to refresh your memory, that’s episode 15 - Season 2, Episode 3).
Since graduating, Sophie has done a lot of things, trying out different career paths while processing her 2020 autism diagnosis in a deeper way. Some of her work is in academia, where she’s been involved in autism research, including looking at the post-diagnostic experiences of late diagnosed women, and exploring the language used around autism in the news and media. And she’s also a career mentor for autistic women who are stuck in a rut with their careers or need guidance navigating the workplace.
In this episode we talk about:
What it’s been like for Sophie processing her autism diagnosis on a deeper level, over the past 4 years
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The benefits and challenges of getting a late diagnosis, and the post-diagnostic experience of late diagnosed women
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Her experience of trying to get accommodations at uni - and her expectations vs reality, and whether we need to disclose our autism to get our needs met
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What it’s like working in autism research roles in teams with a mix of other autistic and NT people
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The benefits and drawbacks of masking, unmasking privilege, and what unmasking actually looks like
And we explore the concepts of ‘grelief’ and ‘autism fatigue’.
Squarepeg is a podcast in which neurodivergent women, and trans and nonbinary people, explore navigating a neurotypical world and share their insights, challenges and successes.
I hope that these conversations will be inspiring and thought provoking, open you up to new ways of thinking about being neurodivergent, and help you feel more connected to a worldwide community of people with similar experiences.
I’m Amy Richards, and after being diagnosed autistic at the age of 37 I’m now on a mission to learn more about different perspectives and issues around being a neurodivergent adult in a world that feels like it doesn’t quite fit.
LINKS
Sophie’s original Squarepeg episode: https://squarepeg.community/15-s2-ep3-autism-and-work-culture-masking-socialising-and-finding-the-right-work/
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophie-longley/
Mentoring: https://www.expandthecircle.co.uk/associates-sophie-longley
Research article: Language Matters in British Newspapers: A Participatory Analysis of the Autism UK Press Corpus https://doi.org/10.1089/aut.2023.0105
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