591: Founder and CEO of Xenopsi Ventures on Behavioral Science That Sells
The Strategy Skills Podcast: Strategy | Leadership | Critical Thinking | Problem-Solving
Release Date: 10/06/2025
The Strategy Skills Podcast: Strategy | Leadership | Critical Thinking | Problem-Solving
Michael explains that people often struggle because “adding and adding must be more effective,” yet humans are “more confident when just one advantage is presented.” He shares that Five Guys succeeded because they “only do burgers and fries” and that “if you say you are best at one thing most of all, they’re more likely to believe that.” He emphasizes that “buyers…have a top force-ranked prioritization of the most important thing,” and focusing on the thing you are “best in the world at” is “more believable and more memorable.” On pricing, he notes that...
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In this conversation, Mark explains that “we often build our lives on things we are certain about that simply are not true.” He describes how “we don’t actually see the world… we see screens of how we think the world is.” He explains that these screens create “a double paradox” shaping what we think is safe, what we think is risky, and how we choose to act. Mark describes the difference between someone who sees a large employer as stability versus an entrepreneur who sees it as danger, saying “which screen is right? Well, it depends on which screen is going to give you more...
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Adam McGraw is a Fortune 100 VP turned entrepreneur and co-founder of a leadership community. “We try and really curate it for folks that are in the VP and above through CEOs as well, founders, etc., so that they have this kind of safe white space atmosphere to really consistently plug in and build community.” “Not just transact network-wise in things that are typically narrow and niche… we really love the idea of a melting pot for leaders.” “This is kind of the new normal: constant change, constant uncertainty, constant transition.” “Being in crew keeps me grounded and...
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When was the last time you played, really played? For Cas Holman, founder and chief designer of Heroes Will Rise and star of Netflix’s Abstract: The Art of Design, play isn’t childish. It’s the foundation of human creativity, resilience, and connection. She worked with LEGO, Disney Imagineering, and the LEGO Foundation and on a mission to help adults rediscover what children know instinctively: that play is how we learn, adapt, and feel alive. “Play isn’t what happens after work,” Cas explains. “It’s how we manage uncertainty. It’s how we cope, experiment, and find our way...
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Bill George, former CEO of Medtronic and Harvard Business School Executive Fellow, explains how leaders can stay grounded, principled, and effective in chaotic times. “It’s a world of chaos and it requires a very different kind of leader than in more stable times.” The skills that once mattered (process control, long-term plans) are now secondary to courage, self-awareness, and moral clarity. George says most executives still lead comfortably “inside the walls” but fear the external world (media, public scrutiny, and rapid change). “Today, if you’re a leader, you are a public...
info_outlineMichaelAaron Flicker, founder and CEO of Xenopsi Ventures and coauthor of Hacking the Human Mind, explains how applied behavioral science transforms insight into repeatable commercial advantage across brands, products, and customer experiences. Drawing from his experience building multiple Inc. 5000–recognized companies, Flicker illustrates how understanding “the unconscious biases that drive our actions” can make marketing, consulting, and organizational strategy more effective.
The discussion links behavioral research to real-world business practice, naming, positioning, experience design, and sales behavior, so leaders can test small, evidence-based changes that have outsized impact on recall, adoption, and loyalty.
Key insights include:
- Prioritize one persuasive benefit. “How could one firm be good at everything?” Flicker notes. Presenting a single, clear advantage is more believable than listing many. He cites the gold-dilution effect—the psychological finding that “people are more confident when just one advantage is presented.” Five Guys’ “burgers and fries” focus exemplifies this principle.
- Make messages concrete. “You could see it in your mind,” Flicker says of Steve Jobs’s famous iPod line, “1,000 songs in your pocket.” Studies show concrete imagery is four times more memorable than abstract phrasing, a lesson echoed by taglines like “Taste the Rainbow” and “Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.”
- Design for the peak and the end. Experiences are remembered by their high point and final moment, not their average quality, the peak-end rule first documented by Daniel Kahneman. Memorable, low-cost touches, like the “popsicle hotline” at Los Angeles’s Magic Castle Hotel or Virgin’s post-checkout beach service, create disproportionate positive recall.
- Close the intention–action gap. People often fail to follow through on good intentions. Tying behavior to time, place, and social triggers—“be there for your daughter’s piano recital this July”—is more effective than abstract logic about long-term health or performance.
- Apply behavioral science ethically. “These are not tricks to change people,” Flicker emphasizes. “They’re pre-existing biases we all have.” Used responsibly, behavioral insights help customers make better decisions and strengthen brand trust.
- Focus on systems, not slogans. Flicker highlights organizational habits, 25- and 50-minute meetings, strong psychological safety, and delegation with accountability, as tools that sustain experimentation and growth. “Your most critical people have to feel they can say they’re not sure what to do,” he notes, describing curiosity and candor as the foundation of learning cultures.
For executives in marketing, product, or consulting, this episode offers a practical playbook: choose one idea to own, communicate it concretely, engineer memorable moments, and test small behavioral interventions tied to measurable outcomes. The result is persuasion grounded in science—systematic, ethical, and repeatable.
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