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The Strategy Skills Podcast: Strategy | Leadership | Critical Thinking | Problem-Solving
Release Date: 01/07/2026
The Strategy Skills Podcast: Strategy | Leadership | Critical Thinking | Problem-Solving
Neri Karra Sillaman, entrepreneurship advisor at the University of Oxford and author of Pioneers: Eight Principles of Business Longevity from Immigrant Entrepreneurs, discusses why immigrant-founded companies are disproportionately successful and tend to last longer than their counterparts. Drawing on her experience as a former child refugee and on research that began with her PhD, she explains how longevity is built through clear vision, perseverance, community, shared value, and disciplined decision-making. She begins with the formative role of vision. At age eleven, while living in a...
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This episode examines what happens when strategy is applied in environments where institutional stability, reliable data, and conventional partners cannot be assumed. Former McKinsey partner and University of Notre Dame Professor Emerita Viva Ona Bartkus draws on decades of experience across management consulting, academic research, and frontline fieldwork in conflict-affected regions to explain why many standard strategy doctrines collapse outside developed markets. Bartkus reflects on her path through McKinsey, including what truly determines advancement inside elite professional services...
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In this episode, Tim Koller, co-author of Valuation and a leading authority on corporate finance, offers a substantive examination of capital allocation decisions under real-world constraints. The discussion moves beyond theory to explore how CEOs and CFOs should approach resource deployment in mature, capital-rich companies—where investment opportunities are limited not due to lack of ambition but due to economic reality. Key insights include: - Share Buybacks as Rational Policy: Many firms undertaking significant buybacks—particularly in tech, life sciences, and consumer products—do so...
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Elizabeth McBride and Seth Levine return to discuss the ideas behind their book Capital Evolution and the shifts they see across capitalism, innovation, and work. They describe conversations with young people who believe “socialism is the right answer,” and explain why “nearly half of people under forty now don't think that capitalism works.” They share experiences from a World Bank launch event where one attendee “jumped in his car and raced to get there” because he was “so engaged in entrepreneurship and this idea of we need to build things really rapidly.” Elizabeth explains...
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Michael explains that people often struggle because “adding and adding must be more effective,” yet humans are “more confident when just one advantage is presented.” He shares that Five Guys succeeded because they “only do burgers and fries” and that “if you say you are best at one thing most of all, they’re more likely to believe that.” He emphasizes that “buyers…have a top force-ranked prioritization of the most important thing,” and focusing on the thing you are “best in the world at” is “more believable and more memorable.” On pricing, he notes that...
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When most executives discuss AI, they focus on automation. Dr. Ben Zweig, NYU Stern professor and CEO of Revelio Labs, explains why the real disruption isn’t machines replacing people, it’s our failure to rethink how work is structured. “Labor markets are not as sophisticated as capital markets,” Ben explains. “We allocate capital efficiently, but not labor. That’s a huge weakness in how our economy operates.” In this conversation, we explore: Why every company must learn job architecture, seeing jobs not as titles, but as bundles of tasks that must constantly evolve. The...
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In this conversation, Mark explains that “we often build our lives on things we are certain about that simply are not true.” He describes how “we don’t actually see the world… we see screens of how we think the world is.” He explains that these screens create “a double paradox” shaping what we think is safe, what we think is risky, and how we choose to act. Mark describes the difference between someone who sees a large employer as stability versus an entrepreneur who sees it as danger, saying “which screen is right? Well, it depends on which screen is going to give you more...
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Adam McGraw is a Fortune 100 VP turned entrepreneur and co-founder of a leadership community. “We try and really curate it for folks that are in the VP and above through CEOs as well, founders, etc., so that they have this kind of safe white space atmosphere to really consistently plug in and build community.” “Not just transact network-wise in things that are typically narrow and niche… we really love the idea of a melting pot for leaders.” “This is kind of the new normal: constant change, constant uncertainty, constant transition.” “Being in crew keeps me grounded and...
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Technology is reshaping the world at a pace few people, inside or outside the industry, expected. But every so often, you meet someone who has not only witnessed the major waves of technological change, but helped build them. In this conversation, Marcus Fontoura, Technical Fellow and Corporate Vice President at Microsoft, CTO for Azure Core, walks us through the story of AI, what leaders are getting wrong, and how to develop the one thing that will matter more than any model or algorithm: human agency. Marcus has lived through every major inflection point: early search, the rise of cloud...
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In this episode, Dr. Julia Garcia explains why hope is a habit and why it is critical for us to remove what blocks hope. She describes what happens inside teams when leaders lose hope, including “the culture that creates, the burnout that leads to, the discouragement and defeat.” Julia shows how unprocessed emotions drain leaders even when they appear high-functioning. “If we emotionally feel disconnected, we’re going to start looking elsewhere or we’re going to end up in a place of hopelessness where maybe we completely shut down in our career and now we’re just a robot.” One of...
info_outlineMichael explains that people often struggle because “adding and adding must be more effective,” yet humans are “more confident when just one advantage is presented.” He shares that Five Guys succeeded because they “only do burgers and fries” and that “if you say you are best at one thing most of all, they’re more likely to believe that.” He emphasizes that “buyers…have a top force-ranked prioritization of the most important thing,” and focusing on the thing you are “best in the world at” is “more believable and more memorable.”
On pricing, he notes that “thinking is to humans like swimming is to cats. They can do it. They just prefer not to,” and the brain “uses twenty percent of the calories in your body.” He explains that humans rely on shortcuts and that price is “a relativity game.” He describes how Red Bull “broke the comparison” by avoiding the soda can format and launched at “two dollars and fifty cents” instead of one dollar. He explains left-digit bias: “Forty-nine ninety-nine is going to be a much more attractive price than fifty dollars,” and that ending in a seven “feels much more specific.”
He describes how indulgent framing changed behavior: “sweet sizzling plant-based beans and crispy shallots” increased selection “twenty-five percent more,” while “light and low carb” suppressed it. He states that appealing to the emotional side “will always feel more indulgent and will always be more appealing,” and that consulting services should focus on “what does the buyer really want” and how to communicate emotionally, not only rationally.
On scarcity, he shows that breaking enjoyment boosts desire. Pumpkin Spice Latte sells because “they decided to make it for a limited time only,” and the shorter deadline in a voucher study produced a “four and a half times increase.” He warns that in professional services “you have to be careful that it’s still believable.” Time scarcity rarely works; instead, “we only have three seats left in this class” or “we only have room for two more clients to onboard this quarter.”
Michael explains that nostalgia reduces price sensitivity, noting people were willing to pay “three times more” when feeling nostalgic. He says social connectedness lowers price concerns: “there will be less pricing sensitivity when there’s higher social connectedness.” He points out that many consultants think this is about likability, but “that’s not actually what the science says is happening.”
He introduces the publicity principle — “if someone revealed what you were doing, would you be ashamed or embarrassed by it?” — and the grandma principle: “if you had to tell your grandmother the way you landed that big account,” would you feel proud?
On humor, he explains that humor creates “higher attention,” “higher positive emotions,” and “higher purchase intent,” but jokes must reinforce the brand or they become “the vampire effect.” He shares the pratfall effect: a small blunder “makes you even more likable,” showing that “a little bit of a blunder can make you a little bit more likable.” He highlights powerful examples such as “good things come to those who wait,” “we’re number two so we have to try harder,” and “the taste you hate twice a day.”
He explains that concrete ideas outperform abstract ones. People remembered “rusty engine” and “white horse” far more than “impossible amount” or “subtle fault.” He says consultants should avoid abstract language and “draw a picture in people’s minds” so ideas are “much more easily remembered.”
Michael emphasizes that “every word matters.” He shares how Patagonian tooth fish became Chilean sea bass and saw a “thirty fold increase,” and how one verb changed perceived car-crash speed from “forty point five miles per hour” to “thirty one point eight.” He notes buyers are “light users of our industry” and that consultants may be “choosing words that leave a totally different impression.”
He explains the illusion of effort: showing effort raises perceived quality. Participants rated a poem higher when told it took “eighteen hours” instead of four. He warns consultants that AI can lower perceived effort unless they “show your effort that went into using AI.”
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