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For The Love of Gar: A Conversation With Scott Payne

The Glitterpill Podcast

Release Date: 05/09/2025

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šŸŽ™ļøEpisode Description

Welcome back to The Glitterpill Podcast, your go-to for high-stakes insight, psychological subversion, and resilience in the age of narrative warfare. I’m your host, Samantha Kutner.

Today’s episode is essential listening for intel nerds, NATO analysts, and anyone tracking how domestic extremists are syncing up with foreign disinformation ops like it’s a blacksite LAN party.

Our guest? The legendary Agent Pale Horse himself—Scott Payne, a retired FBI undercover operative who infiltrated America’s most dangerous white supremacist groups. His story is the subject of White Hot Hate (CBC, Season Two) and the new memoir Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America’s Nazis.

This episode is a blueprint—for understanding accelerationist networks, for recognizing the seductive logic of hate, and for creating meaningful off-ramps.

šŸŽ§ Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.

Grab your copy of Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis, now a New York Times bestseller here!


 

šŸ” Featured Interviews & Resources

šŸŽ™ļø Scott Payne on other platforms:

šŸ—‚ļø Background on The Base:

🧠 Ideological Frameworks & Intel Reads:

šŸ“° Current Events:

šŸ§˜ā€ā™‚ļø Thinking About Leaving?

Life After Hate provides support for those exiting violent extremist groups. If you or someone you know is looking for a way out, they’re here to help.

šŸŽµ Bonus: Scott Payne's Musical Side

Yes, you read that right. Scott is also a musician. Enjoy his cover of ā€œSimple Manā€, featuring Jonathan S. Hendrix (acoustic) and Casey Hauschildt (lead guitar).

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