20VC: Why To Win in AI, Investors Need to Change Their Approach | Why VC is Run by Principals and Associates and is a Broken System | The Bull Case for Anthropic & Whether Deepseek Changes Their Strategy with Nabeel Hyatt @ Spark Capital
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Release Date: 04/04/2025
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Elena Verna is the Head of Growth at Lovable, one of the fastest growing companies in the world having hit $400M in ARR in just 18 months. Prior to Lovable, Elena was Head of Growth at both Dropbox and Miro. AGENDA: 00:00 – Why “Growth Is Now a Trust Problem” (Not a Marketing Problem) 06:10 – Is SEO Dying Because of AI Search? 07:00 – Did Lovable’s Growth Come From the Founder’s Personal Brand? 08:30 – Why Every Founder Should Push Employees to Be Marketers? 13:10 – Why Every Employee at Lovable Ships Code (Even Marketing) 21:20 – Why Paid Marketing in Year One Is a...
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AGENDA: 00:00 - ANTHROPIC VS. THE PENTAGON: The Billion Dollar Supply Chain War 07:11 - B2B PANIC: Why Leading Companies Are Losing Deals to OpenAI 12:19 - THE ANTHROPIC ENDGAME: Will Claude Eclipse ChatGPT? 17:39 - THE DATA CENTER ARMS RACE: Is the AI Hype Cycle Finally Dead? 24:43 - 24/7 PERSISTENT AI: Why You'll Soon Need Data Centers in Space 30:37 - THE DEATH OF THE JUNIOR: Why Entry-Level Jobs are Vanishing 41:55 - AGENT-LED GROWTH: The Secret Reason Startups are Exploding in 2026 46:58 - THE ERA OF GENTLE DECELERATION IS DEAD: Public Markets Turn Brutal 55:54 - FIGMA MAKE IS TERRIBLE?...
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Miles Clements is a Partner @ Accel where he helps to lead their growth fund. At Accel, Miles has led or invested in Atlassian, Cursor, Linear, and more. AGENDA: 03:38 Where is True Alpha and Value in a World of AI 05:10 Why it is Total BS that Cursor is Dead 07:55 Why Cursor Were Not Wrong to Build Their Own Models 09:38 What is the Upside When Investing in Cursor at $27BN? 15:12 Do Sub $10BN Outcomes Even Matter to a Fund the Size of Accel? 17:07 Losing ServiceTitan: Investing Lesson Learned… 19:55 Missing Rippling: What We Learned 27:20 What is Accel’s Win Rate 30:22...
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Mitchell Green is a legendary growth equity investor and the Founder and Managing Partner of Lead Edge Capital, a firm with over $5 billion in assets under management. Known as a relentless "money maker", Mitchell has led investments in the likes of Bytedance, Toast, Procore, Duo Security and more. AGENDA: 0:00 The SaaS Apocalypse: Why Incumbents Aren't Going to Zero 05:50 "Dead Money": Why Public Software Estimates Were Too High 08:15 Leverage is the Enemy: Lessons from the 1999 Retail Crash 11:50 The Truth About Growth Equity: Zeroes vs. 10X Returns 15:40 Mainframes to AI: Why Oracle and SAP...
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AGENDA: 04:13 Anthropic vs The Pentagon: Who Wins 13:54 Was Sam Altman Wrong to Take the Deal 24:28 OpenAI’s $110BN Mega Round: The Breakdown 28:22 Who Has a Bigger Valuation Premium: Sam Altman or Elon Musk 34:38 Why We Got the SaaS Apocalypse Wrong? 43:24 Why Salesforce Could be the Best Buy in Public Markets 47:46 Block Lays Off 40% of Team: AI or Overhiring 01:00:16 Cursor Hits $2BN in ARR… so not Dead? 01:18:15 How to Pick Winners in AI?
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Monday has been hit harder than almost any other public SaaS company. With $1.3BN in ARR, the company is valued at just $3.8BN; a more than 60% fall since IPO. Today, Eran Zinman, Monday’s CEO joins Harry Stebbings in the hotseat to walkthrough six of the biggest threats to Monday’s business; what is real, what is not and what are the unknowns. AGENDA: 05:47 Six Threats Monday Faces Today 07:04 Threat #1: Vibe Coding: Will Companies Vibe Code Everything 11:24 Threat #2: Will OpenAI and Anthropic Own the Application Layer 13:52 Threat #3: Will Agents Turn Monday and...
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Jerry Murdock is the Co-Founder of Insight Partners, one of the most formidable growth investors of the last three decades, with over $90 billion in AUM and a portfolio that has shaped the modern software economy. Jerry never does podcasts, and so this is his first-ever long-form interview. AGENDA: 03:50 There is an AI Tsunami Beginning 05:43 Cursor is F***** and Everyone Knows It 07:28 How Open Source Will Crush in an Agent First World 10:20 Is NVIDIA F**** 17:32 Are Systems of Record Dead in an Agent-First World 21:04 Humans Will Not Buy Software, Agents Will… 24:57 Universal Basic...
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AGENDA: 03:55 Anthropic Security Product Wipes Billions Off Public Markets 11:17 Do Agents Turn SaaS Incumbents into Valueless Databases 22:07 Anthropic Secondary Sale Makes Hundreds Decamillionaires 23:20 Citrini Research Piece: Everything You Need To Know 26:04 Will DoorDash Be Replaced by Agents 34:22 Will “Ghost GDP” Soften Consumer Spending Power 42:46 Why No Public Company Has Created a Good Agent Product 47:19 Is Tech Private Equity and Thoma Bravo F***** in this Market 51:05 OpenAI Massively Increases Spending Plans: Analysis 56:24 Figma Fights Back: Earnings Through the Roof...
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Lucas Swisher co-leads the growth fund at Coatue where he has partnered with iconic companies like OpenAI, Harvey, Deel, Canva, Openevidence, Anthropic, and others. Prior to Coatue, he was on the investment team at Kleiner Perkins, where he focused on growth stage software businesses. AGENDA: 04:23 Why Public SaaS Is Getting Crushed in the AI Wave 06:01 How to Find Value in the Deluge of Public SaaS 10:34 Durability of Revenue in AI 17:42 Market Size vs. Founder Quality: What Wins? 19:04 Why Price is the Last Thing to Matter 24:58 Mega-Funds Math: Can $5B+ Funds Still Generate Venture...
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Alexander Embiricos is the Head of Codex at OpenAI, leading the development of the company’s flagship AI coding systems that power automated software generation, debugging and developer workflows. Under his leadership, Codex has become one of the most widely adopted AI developer platforms. AGENDA: 05:13 Will Coding Be Automated? Why AI Could Create More Engineers, Not Fewer 07:17 Do We Need PMs? The “Undefined” Product Role and When It Matters 08:06 The Real AGI Bottleneck: Human Prompting, Validation, and “Too Much Effort” 13:04 Three Phases of Agents: Coding → Computer Use...
info_outlineNabeel Hyatt is a General Partner @ Spark Capital, one of the leading firms of the last decade with portfolio companies including Twitter, Anthropic, Coinbase, Affirm, Discord, Deel and more.
In Todays Show with Nabeel Hyatt We Discuss:
1. The Rules of Investing:
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What have been Nabeel’s biggest lessons on price sensitivity? When did he not pay up and with the benefit of hindsight, wish he had of paid up?
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How important is ownership to Nabeel and Spark? How does Nabeel think about reserve investing and doubling down?
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Why does Nabeel not engage in secondary markets? How does Nabeel think about when is the right time to sell?
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Why does Nabeel think the majority of market sizing is total BS?
2. The Venture Landscape: Run by Principles and Broken:
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Why does Nabeel believe this generation of AI investing will require a different mindset to the one that made VCs successful over the last decade?
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Why does Nabeel believe that venture is currently run by principals and associates? Why is that such a problem?
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Why does Nabeel believe that the majority of venture firms today are dead but do not know it yet?
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What does Nabeel believe happens to the mega multi-stage firms who have raised billions and billions?
3. How to Win the VC Game in a World of AI:
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Infrastructure, models, apps: where does Nabeel believe the most value will accrue in the next decade of AI investing?
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What does Nabeel mean when he says there are three categories of AI apps today? Where does Nabeel believe the most valuable will be built?
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Does Nabeel believe Deepseek hurt or helped the future for Anthropic? How could Anthropic be a $100BN company from this point?
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What does no one see about the next 10 years of AI that everyone should see?