20VC: HubSpot CEO on Where Value Accrues in SaaS AI | How HubSpot Competes Against Salesforce | Why B2B Is Not a Winner Take All Market | How to Go From SMB to Enterprise an Win | How SEO Dying Changes HubSpot's Business with Yamini Rangan
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Release Date: 03/18/2025
20VC: Why the SaaS Apocalypse is BS | Why China Will Win the AI War | Why 50% of VCs Should Not Exist and are Tourists | Why Stock-Based Comp is the Hidden Sin of the Valley with Mitchell Green, Lead Edge Capital
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Mitchell Green is a legendary growth equity investor and the Founder and Managing Partner of Lead Edge Capital, a firm with over $5 billion in assets under management. Known as a relentless "money maker", Mitchell has led investments in the likes of Bytedance, Toast, Procore, Duo Security and more. AGENDA: 0:00 The SaaS Apocalypse: Why Incumbents Aren't Going to Zero 05:50 "Dead Money": Why Public Software Estimates Were Too High 08:15 Leverage is the Enemy: Lessons from the 1999 Retail Crash 11:50 The Truth About Growth Equity: Zeroes vs. 10X Returns 15:40 Mainframes to AI: Why Oracle and SAP...
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20VC: Anthropic vs The Pentagon: Who Wins | OpenAI's $110BN Mega Round | Cursor Hits $2BN in ARR | Block's 40% Headcount Reduction: AI or Overhiring
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
AGENDA: 04:13 Anthropic vs The Pentagon: Who Wins 13:54 Was Sam Altman Wrong to Take the Deal 24:28 OpenAI’s $110BN Mega Round: The Breakdown 28:22 Who Has a Bigger Valuation Premium: Sam Altman or Elon Musk 34:38 Why We Got the SaaS Apocalypse Wrong? 43:24 Why Salesforce Could be the Best Buy in Public Markets 47:46 Block Lays Off 40% of Team: AI or Overhiring 01:00:16 Cursor Hits $2BN in ARR… so not Dead? 01:18:15 How to Pick Winners in AI?
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20VC: Monday.com CEO on Is SaaS Dead: Will Everything Be Vibe Coded | Will Systems of Record Become Valueless Databases in an Agentic World | Will LLMs Own the Value in the Application Layer with Eran Zinman
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Monday has been hit harder than almost any other public SaaS company. With $1.3BN in ARR, the company is valued at just $3.8BN; a more than 60% fall since IPO. Today, Eran Zinman, Monday’s CEO joins Harry Stebbings in the hotseat to walkthrough six of the biggest threats to Monday’s business; what is real, what is not and what are the unknowns. AGENDA: 05:47 Six Threats Monday Faces Today 07:04 Threat #1: Vibe Coding: Will Companies Vibe Code Everything 11:24 Threat #2: Will OpenAI and Anthropic Own the Application Layer 13:52 Threat #3: Will Agents Turn Monday and...
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20VC: Why Cursor is Dead | An AI Tsunami is Coming & You Need to Prepare | Systems of Record Become Valueless Databases with Agents | Is This The End of Tech Private Equity with Jerry Murdock, Co-Founder of Insight Partners
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Jerry Murdock is the Co-Founder of Insight Partners, one of the most formidable growth investors of the last three decades, with over $90 billion in AUM and a portfolio that has shaped the modern software economy. Jerry never does podcasts, and so this is his first-ever long-form interview. AGENDA: 03:50 There is an AI Tsunami Beginning 05:43 Cursor is F***** and Everyone Knows It 07:28 How Open Source Will Crush in an Agent First World 10:20 Is NVIDIA F**** 17:32 Are Systems of Record Dead in an Agent-First World 21:04 Humans Will Not Buy Software, Agents Will… 24:57 Universal Basic...
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20VC: Anthropic Wipes Billions Off Markets | Citrini Research: The Ultimate Breakdown: Agents, "Ghost GDP", Consumer Spend etc. | Figma Earnings Beat & Four Public Stocks to Buy | Jack Altman Joins Benchmark
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
AGENDA: 03:55 Anthropic Security Product Wipes Billions Off Public Markets 11:17 Do Agents Turn SaaS Incumbents into Valueless Databases 22:07 Anthropic Secondary Sale Makes Hundreds Decamillionaires 23:20 Citrini Research Piece: Everything You Need To Know 26:04 Will DoorDash Be Replaced by Agents 34:22 Will “Ghost GDP” Soften Consumer Spending Power 42:46 Why No Public Company Has Created a Good Agent Product 47:19 Is Tech Private Equity and Thoma Bravo F***** in this Market 51:05 OpenAI Massively Increases Spending Plans: Analysis 56:24 Figma Fights Back: Earnings Through the Roof...
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20VC: Inside Coatue's $70BN Machine: Why Price Matters Least | Why Mega Markets are the Most Important | How to Assess Durability of Revenue and Margins in AI with Lucas Swisher
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Lucas Swisher co-leads the growth fund at Coatue where he has partnered with iconic companies like OpenAI, Harvey, Deel, Canva, Openevidence, Anthropic, and others. Prior to Coatue, he was on the investment team at Kleiner Perkins, where he focused on growth stage software businesses. AGENDA: 04:23 Why Public SaaS Is Getting Crushed in the AI Wave 06:01 How to Find Value in the Deluge of Public SaaS 10:34 Durability of Revenue in AI 17:42 Market Size vs. Founder Quality: What Wins? 19:04 Why Price is the Last Thing to Matter 24:58 Mega-Funds Math: Can $5B+ Funds Still Generate Venture...
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20VC: Codex vs Claude Code vs Cursor: Who Wins, Who Loses | Will All Coding Be Automated - Do We Need PMs | The Real Bottleneck to AGI | The Three Phases of Agents and What You Need to Know with Alex Embiricos, Head of Codex at OpenAI
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Alexander Embiricos is the Head of Codex at OpenAI, leading the development of the company’s flagship AI coding systems that power automated software generation, debugging and developer workflows. Under his leadership, Codex has become one of the most widely adopted AI developer platforms. AGENDA: 05:13 Will Coding Be Automated? Why AI Could Create More Engineers, Not Fewer 07:17 Do We Need PMs? The “Undefined” Product Role and When It Matters 08:06 The Real AGI Bottleneck: Human Prompting, Validation, and “Too Much Effort” 13:04 Three Phases of Agents: Coding → Computer Use...
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20VC: Anthropic Raises $30BN at $380BN Valuation | Thrive Raises New $10BN Fund | OpenAI Buys OpenClaw | Stripe Raises at $140BN: Is Adyen Wildly Undervalued? | Monday, Figma, Shopify: Which are Buys vs Sells?
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
AGENDA: 04:14 Anthropic’s $30B Raise at $380B 06:18 Why SaaS Stocks Keep Getting Crushed 18:15 Wall Street’s New Religion: AI Replaces Headcount 22:42 The Bear Case for Shopify: What Could Go Wrong? 31:51 Replit and Lovable are Proof Figma Missed Out: Figma; Buy or Sell? 48:42 Stripe Raises at $140BN: Is Stripe Wildly Overvalued or Adyen Undervalued? 54:36 OpenAI Buys OpenClaw 01:06:28 Thrive’s $10B Growth Fund 01:09:10 Arif Janmohamed Leaves Lightspeed for New Firm 01:17:12 Workday’s Founder Returns as CEO: Will it Work? 01:20:34 Which Founder Returns Next:...
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20VC: SaaS is Dead: Why Systems of Record Will Die in an Agentic World | What Revenue Multiple Will Software Companies Trade At? | From 7,000 to 3,000: We Need Less People Than Ever with Sebastian Siemiatkowski
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Sebastian Siemiatkowski is the co-founder and CEO of Klarna, the global digital bank with over 114 million global active users and 3.4 million transactions per day. Seb is one of the leading public company CEOs pushing the boundaries of AI. AGENDA: 04:50 — The Real Threat to SaaS is The Switching Cost Coming Down 05:57 — What revenue multiple will software companies trade at in the future? 14:12 — Why you need to build your own customer service AI to win 23:51 — Klarna has two times the customer base of Revolut. They will beat Revolut 25:39 — How I lost a billion dollars not...
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20Sales: Inside ElevenLabs $330M ARR Sales Machine | The 20x Sales Comp Plan Reps Must Hit | How to Land and Expand in a World of AI | Why Product-Market-Fit is BS, Reps Should Not Be in the Office and Outbound is King with Carles Reina
The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
Carles Reina is VP of Sales at ElevenLabs, where he was the first investor and fourth employee. Carles has scaled the revenue org from Day 1 to over $330M in just 3 years. Carles is also an active investor with investments in ElevenLabs, Revolut, Happy Robot and more. AGENDA: 0:00 How I Turned $20K into $16M with Revolut Angel Investment 10:45 Why I Don’t Believe in Product-Market Fit 15:40 How to do Land and Expand: Turning $12K Deals into Millions 19:40 The 20X Rule: A "Ruthless" Comp Plan for Elite Reps 24:35 Public Shaming? Why Honest Pipeline Reviews Save Companies 28:50 Why...
info_outlineYamini Rangan is the CEO at HubSpot. The $32BN juggernaut that has revenues of $2.6BN, over 247,000 customers and 8,200 employees. Prior to Hubspot, Yamini served as Chief Customer Officer at Dropbox, and before Dropbox, she was VP of Sales Strategy and Operations at Workday.
In Today’s Episode We Discuss:
04:16 Taking Over the CEO Role from the Founders
07:58 Wartime vs Peacetime CEOship
11:18 How to Scale Into Enterprise: What Everyone Gets Wrong
22:20 Why is B2B Not Winner Take All
29:33 How Does HubSpot Compete Against Salesforce
33:26 Where Does Value Accrue in a World of AI
37:40 How Does Yamini Use AI Everyday
41:17 What Does HubSpot Do When It’s Core SEO Channel Dies
44:10 Quickfire Round: Satya Nadella, Parenting Advice, Biggest Concern
51:35 Closing Thoughts and Reflections