Changing the Conversation
"Clinicians…would learn EMDR, but they didn't know how to necessarily do it…there was a need for the how. So the EMDR is the what you do, and the MI is the how you do it." Expert Trainer Larisa Traga joins host Ali Hall to explore Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) and how it blends with other evidence-based practices like Motivational Interviewing (MI). This episode concludes our podcast's latest season. We will be taking a short summer hiatus and will return in the fall with new episodes. Thank you for listening! Visit , to receive newsletter and...
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"Relationships are complicated. Everybody is surviving. Everybody's trying to figure it out. My thought is if we can't figure it out in our space, how are we going to expect the community to figure it out? We have to dive into some really difficult things and do it through the lens of who we are and where we came from." Innovator Cherene Allen-Caraco considers her experiences and the challenges building peer support services in North Carolina in her live conversation with host Ashley Stewart. Visit , to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us...
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"Most importantly, elevate lived experience. Policy is most effective when it’s shaped by the people directly impacted. Remember Faces who are visible, Voices, who are vocal prove recovery is valuable." Recovery advocate Maryanne Frangules and host Livia Davis delve deep into the history of the Recovery Movement in Massachusetts, from her recovery journey in the 1970's to the founding of the Massachusetts Organization for Addiction Recovery (MOAR) in 1991 to her newest role as Recovery Historian highlighting the giants on whose shoulders we stand. This episode is part of a series where we...
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"The core idea is the growing itself of food and working with the animals. It's there on a farm, it's building connection, it's building skills. It's empowering people, providing oftentimes a real dignity of work in ways that other more traditional services sometimes don't." Host Livia Davis chats with Andrea Barnhart and Kate Mudge, the co-directors of the Care Farming Network, about the potential for farms as community anchors nurtured by social purpose. Visit , to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on and for more...
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"There are people that have created those pathways for themselves. We have national leadership now. That national leadership may not have occurred if it were not for the local programs that were funded…10 years earlier." Long-time mental health peer activist Laura Van Tosh and host Livia Davis discuss the history of peer-run programs, the development of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) and her hopes for the future of the recovery movement. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and...
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“I love those chapters that are about genuineness, hope and empowerment. Those were just so beautiful to approach in terms of how to have such goodwill towards those we serve.” Host Ali Hall and co-author Kristin Dempsey discuss their book . Kristin Dempsey; , Ali Hall; , More podcast episodes on : training opportunities and resources from C4 Innovations : resources from the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT)
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"People like Howie the Harp and Sally Zinman... laid that fertile soil for those of us that have come after them, for us to really grow". Attorney and rights advocate LaVerne Miller joins host Livia Davis to discuss her experiences in the recovery movement, the lessons she has learned, and her hopes for the future of the movement. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today’s recovery movement. Visit , to receive newsletter and training updates, and...
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"Data is qualitative. Data is conversations...Data is lived experience." Policy advocate Tymber Hudson drops knowledge on the world of policy, how young people can become involved and how to avoid burnout as a person with lived experience in this conversation with host Rowan Willis-Gorman. This episode is part of a series featuring youth peer workers and recovery innovators discussing how to improve and uplift behavioral health systems for youth. Visit , to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on and for more resources to grow your...
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How are Motivational Interviewing (MI) and Peer Support so well aligned? Peer advocate Kris Kelly and host Ali Hall consider the foundational components of autonomy, empathy, and more in this episode! Learn More: Kris Kelly; Laura Saunders: at the University of Wisconsin-Madison Ali Hall; , More podcast episodes on : training opportunities and resources from C4 Innovations : resources from the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) Visit , to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on and ...
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What does healing look like from different perspectives, ways of knowing, and approaches? Indigenous elder Shannon CrossBear discusses her wellness journey and the lessons she has learned along the way with host Livia Davis. This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today’s recovery movement. Visit , to receive newsletter and training updates, and follow us on and for more resources to grow your impact. Learn More ...
info_outline"There are people that have created those pathways for themselves. We have national leadership now. That national leadership may not have occurred if it were not for the local programs that were funded…10 years earlier." Long-time mental health peer activist Laura Van Tosh and host Livia Davis discuss the history of peer-run programs, the development of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) and her hopes for the future of the recovery movement.
This episode is part of a series where we share the wisdom amassed by recovery leaders over the past 5 decades and reflect on the journeys that have laid groundwork for today’s recovery movement.
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Learn More:
- Laura Van Tosh: LinkedIn
- Laura Van Tosh: The Life of a Psychiatric Survivor Activist | Mad In America
- Consumer/Survivor-Operated Self-Help Programs: A Technical Report, A Retrospective Review of the Mental Health Consumer/Survivor Movement and 13 Federally Funded Consumer/Survivor-Operated Service Programs in the 1980s
- Consumer Operated Service Program (COSP): A Multisite Research Initiative | Boston University’s Center for Psychiatric Rehabilitation
- National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH)
- National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI)
- State Mental Health Planning Council
- Protection and Advocacy for Individuals with Mental Illness (PAIMI)
- Protection and Advocacy (P&A) Programs Overview | National Disability Rights Network (NDRN)
- Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General (1999)
- Howard H. Goldman
- Obituary for Larry Fricks (June 13, 1950 — August 3, 2025)
- Maryland Office of Consumer Affairs
- National Association of State Mental Health Program Directors (NASMHPD)
- Meadows Mental Health Policy Institute
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BRSS TACS (Bringing Recovery Supports to Scale Technical Assistance Center Strategy)
- Video: October 2024 Mental Health Policy Roundtable "From the ADA to the Ballot Box"
- Video: February 2025 Mental Health Policy Roundtable "No Research About Us Without Us"
- Video: April 2024 Mental Health Policy Roundtable "Pathways to Wellness: America's Youth and Behavioral Healthcare"
- Video: July 2024 Mental Health Policy Roundtable "Navigating Deinstitutionalization: Past, Present, and Future"