S4 E5 The pace of change: MAGA, the US, the UK
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In the time of MAGA, as nightmares rapidly become reality for many living in the USA, it can be hard to keep up with the pace of change. Here, we take stock of the latest news - including the move to cap refugee numbers at a record low, the further rollback of Temporary Protected Status for many vulnerable groups, and Trump’s threat to cut funding to New York City under new mayor Zohran Mamdani. We consider these developments in light of our conversations this series with Heba Gowayed, Cecilia Menjívar, Ernesto Castañeda and Rachel Humphris, and reflect on why it’s important to see the...
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S4 E4 Free speech for whom?
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What’s the link between free speech, bordering, and the ‘MAGA’ project of Donald Trump and his backers? And how does free speech as enshrined in the US constitution, contrast with what’s happening on the ground in the USA? Sociologist Heba Gowayed, author of ‘Refuge’, Carnegie fellow, and voice against the arrest of students protesting genocide in Palestine, joins us. She tells us what role the arrest of pro-Palestinian activists has played in the MAGA project - and how, while whiteness has long been privileged in legislation in the USA, going right back to the 1790 Naturalisation...
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S4 E3 Forever Undocumented
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What does it actually mean to be “documented” or “undocumented” as a migrant to the USA? What’s the lived reality like of existing somewhere in between the two, including under the category of “temporary protected status”, or TPS, created by Congress in 1990 for people from countries deemed too unsafe to return to? UCLA sociologist and leading migration expert Cecilia Menjívar joins us to discuss her concept of “liminal legality”. Elaborated in a 2006 paper following fieldwork through the 1990s with migrants from Central America, the term remains enduringly relevant in...
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S4 E2 No place for migrants in the American Dream
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American Dream? Or American nightmare? The targeting of migrants and minoritised populations under President Trump poses a serious challenge to the long-standing idea that if a person comes to the USA and works hard, they will enjoy social mobility and ‘success’. Continuing our series on the role of borders and migration in the roll out of the ‘MAGA’ project of Trump and his backers, we’re joined by Professor Ernesto Castañeda, Director of the Center for Latin American and Latino Studies and the Immigration Lab at American University, Washington, DC. We ask: who still believes in...
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S4 E1 Raiding Sanctuary
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When anti-immigration raids intensified in the USA after Trump’s return to the presidency, it left many wondering: how could this happen in places like LA, ostensibly a “Sanctuary City”? What, in fact, are sanctuary cities? Launching our new series on the role of borders and migration in the roll out of Donald Trump’s MAGA project, Rachel Humphris, author of “Making Sanctuary Cities” joins us to explain all. She outlines the rich history of such places, with roots in both traditions of sheltering refugees but also in activist histories of non-cooperation. Rachel also describes how...
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S3 E11 Labour’s new immigration plan is anything but Brexit
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Michaela and Nando get together to discuss the UK’s Labour Government 2025 promise to restore control over immigration by reducing net migration. The resonance with Brexit rhetoric couldn’t be clearer in the language and narrative surrounding this. Yet, Brexit remains the elephant in the room. They reflect on several key elements of the paper: health and social care visas, shifts in qualification levels and income requirements, student visas and e-visas. As their conversation highlights, the new immigration plan embeds further the criminalisation of certain migrants—and seeks new ways...
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S3 E10 Migration and the making of Global Britain
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What’s the significance of migration for the making of ‘Global Britain’? And what are the theoretical and conceptual tools that can help to unpack this question? In this episode, we turn our attention to the value of racial capitalism for understanding migration to and from the UK after Brexit. Elena Zambelli explains what we mean when we talk about ‘Global Britain,’ its political trajectory, and the role of coloniality within it. Ida Danewid, Lecturer in Gender and Global Political Economy at the University of Sussex joins us to offer insights into the relationship between racial...
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S3 E9 (Not so) safe routes
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What are the UK Government’s ‘safe and legal routes’? How do these relate to ‘stop the boats’, the Rwanda Plan, and the curtailment of asylum as laid out in the 1951 Refugee Convention? What can we learn from listening to the Hong Kongers and Ukrainians beneficiaries of these humanitarian visas? And what if these routes are not so safe after all? In this episode we explore the UK’s safe and legal (humanitarian routes). Elena Zambelli explains what ‘asylum’ is, looking its history, scope and challenges to these international protections since 2015 ‘refugee...
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S3 E8 Fortress Britain?
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What’s Brexit got to do with the ‘small boats’ crisis? What does racialised border violence in the Channel tell us about 'Global Britain’? And what can we learn about the UK’s approach to its borders from the Hong Kong BN(O) and Ukrainian visas? We discuss all of this and more as we turn a lens onto Fortress Britain. Elena Zambelli explains what we mean when we talk about migrants’ irregularisation. We’re joined by Arshad Isakjee and Thom Davies talk about their research on the racialised border violence enacted by Fortress Europe and why we need to turn our...
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BtH2 E2 Beyond the headlines … Care Activism with Ethel Tungohan
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Migrant laborers worldwide are engaged in care work, but who provides care for them? And where can they seek care? In this discussion with Ethel Tungohan, the author of 'Care Activism', we go beyond the headlines that portray migrant domestic workers as victims or heroes. By focusing on their daily lives and the experiences of migrant care workers, we explore various sites of everyday resistance, ‘dissident friendships’, and the politics of critical hope and care. You can access the full transcripts for each episode on the . In this episode we cover … Migrant care workers in Canada and...
info_outlineUnderstandings of migration are invariably reduced to immigration, framed by the policy agenda of receiving states. But what about the people who leave? And why does it matter that we remember, as French-Algerian sociologist Abdelmalek Sayad stressed, that ‘every immigrant is also an emigrant’?
From the role of emigration in the making of the British empire and other European colonial powers to its neglect in public and political conversations about migration today, this episode explores what is opened up when we turn the spotlight onto those leaving the sovereign territory of a nation. Elena Zambelli explains what we mean when we talk about emigration. Mukti Jain Campion, founder of the independent production company Culture Wise, reminds us of the relationship between emigration and the making of the British Empire. Nando and Michaela reflect on why we need to talk about emigration today. We look into how states engage with emigration from its role in net migration figures through to policies and concerns over brain drains. And we turn to consider who is leaving Britain today, drawing on what British citizens and EU nationals taking part in our research told us about the significance of Brexit to their emigration decisions.
You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website Who do we think we are?
In this episode we cover …
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Emigration and colonisation
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Leaving Britain today
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Brexit and Brits Abroad
Active listening questions
- Do you have any family members who have emigrated from their country of origin? What do you know about their reasons for leaving?
- What do you think understanding emigration can add to our understandings of migration?
- What is the relationship between British emigration and British colonialism? And how does this shape the experiences of British citizens emigrating today?
- What relationship does your country have with its citizens who have moved abroad?
Hear more from Michaela and Mukti about British emigrants today
Learn about The Migration Museum’s Departures exhibition
Explore the Brexit testimonies of British citizens living in the EU
Our podcast picks ...
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Departures – 400 Years of Emigration from Britain
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BBC Radio 3 Free Thinking, Emigration
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