Who do we think we are?
From Brexit and the COVID-19 pandemic, to the Windrush deportation scandal citizenship and the responsibilities of the UK government to the people of Hong Kong, it seems that citizenship and migration in Britain are never far from the headlines. Who do we think we are? explores all of this and more. Join Professor Michaela Benson and her guests as they debunk taken-for-granted understandings of who is a citizen and who is a migrant in Britain today.
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S3 E11 Labour’s new immigration plan is anything but Brexit
05/23/2025
S3 E11 Labour’s new immigration plan is anything but Brexit
Michaela and Nando get together to discuss the UK’s Labour Government 2025 promise to restore control over immigration by reducing net migration. The resonance with Brexit rhetoric couldn’t be clearer in the language and narrative surrounding this. Yet, Brexit remains the elephant in the room. They reflect on several key elements of the paper: health and social care visas, shifts in qualification levels and income requirements, student visas and e-visas. As their conversation highlights, the new immigration plan embeds further the criminalisation of certain migrants—and seeks new ways to do so—while offering no reflection on the absence of safe routes. From the announcements that surrounded the paper to the plans for reforming who can come to the UK and on what terms, what they reveal is the continuing significance of the far right anti-immigration politics in shaping the migration regime in Britain today. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … 1 2025 White Paper ‘Restoring Control over the Immigration System’ 2 Brexit and migration 3 Net migration Seminar questions 1. What does the term ‘island of strangers’ signal to you? 2. What are some of the main changes that the Labour Government are planning to make to the immigration system? 3. Why might it be important that we think about Brexit when considering migration to the UK in 2025? Find out more about … The Listen to .. Us talking on about how EU leaders want to copy the Rwanda Plan with Migrant Rights’ Network’s Fizza Qureshi on ‘safe routes’ and the Rwanda Plan Nando’s podcast Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are? On our , , or .
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S3 E10 Migration and the making of Global Britain
03/15/2024
S3 E10 Migration and the making of Global Britain
What’s the significance of migration for the making of ‘Global Britain’? And what are the theoretical and conceptual tools that can help to unpack this question? In this episode, we turn our attention to the value of racial capitalism for understanding migration to and from the UK after Brexit. Elena Zambelli explains what we mean when we talk about ‘Global Britain,’ its political trajectory, and the role of coloniality within it. Ida Danewid, Lecturer in Gender and Global Political Economy at the University of Sussex joins us to offer insights into the relationship between racial capitalism, migration and borders. As she highlights, mobility controls produce the exploitable labour force necessary for capitalist accumulation and how those migrantized resist state violence. And co-hosts Nando Sigona and Michaela Benson consider what a racial capitalism lens adds to understandings of the UK's new suite of humanitarian visas, and more broadly to the role of migration in the making of Global Britain. You can access the full transcripts for the episode, further resources and active listening questions over on our website:
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S3 E9 (Not so) safe routes
02/15/2024
S3 E9 (Not so) safe routes
What are the UK Government’s ‘safe and legal routes’? How do these relate to ‘stop the boats’, the Rwanda Plan, and the curtailment of asylum as laid out in the 1951 Refugee Convention? What can we learn from listening to the Hong Kongers and Ukrainians beneficiaries of these humanitarian visas? And what if these routes are not so safe after all? In this episode we explore the UK’s safe and legal (humanitarian routes). Elena Zambelli explains what ‘asylum’ is, looking its history, scope and challenges to these international protections since 2015 ‘refugee crisis.’ Fizza Qureshi, CEO of the , board member of and of the honorary advisory committee for the , joins us to offer a critical overview of the UK’s immigration and asylum reforms over the past decade. Asking what this tells us about migrants’ rights, she highlights how these reforms impact disproportionately on brown and black migrants who try to make the UK their homes. And co-hosts Nando Sigona and Michaela Benson consider the ongoing contestations surrounding the figure of the ‘refugee’ as well as the asylum system as a whole. They reflect on how beneficiaries of the Hong Kong BN(O) and Ukraine visa schemes experience these humanitarian visas, and what we can learn from them about the limits of these. You can access the full transcripts for the episode, further resources and active listening questions over on our website:
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S3 E8 Fortress Britain?
01/18/2024
S3 E8 Fortress Britain?
What’s Brexit got to do with the ‘small boats’ crisis? What does racialised border violence in the Channel tell us about 'Global Britain’? And what can we learn about the UK’s approach to its borders from the Hong Kong BN(O) and Ukrainian visas? We discuss all of this and more as we turn a lens onto Fortress Britain. Elena Zambelli explains what we mean when we talk about migrants’ irregularisation. We’re joined by Arshad Isakjee and Thom Davies talk about their research on the racialised border violence enacted by Fortress Europe and why we need to turn our attention to how this relates to the EU’s liberal values. And Nando and Michaela turn the lens back onto UK and its post-Brexit borders as they discuss the new suite of ‘safe and legal (humanitarian) routes’, and what these signal about the future of asylum within and beyond the UK. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website
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BtH2 E2 Beyond the headlines … Care Activism with Ethel Tungohan
12/14/2023
BtH2 E2 Beyond the headlines … Care Activism with Ethel Tungohan
Migrant laborers worldwide are engaged in care work, but who provides care for them? And where can they seek care? In this discussion with Ethel Tungohan, the author of 'Care Activism', we go beyond the headlines that portray migrant domestic workers as victims or heroes. By focusing on their daily lives and the experiences of migrant care workers, we explore various sites of everyday resistance, ‘dissident friendships’, and the politics of critical hope and care. You can access the full transcripts for each episode on the . In this episode we cover … Migrant care workers in Canada and the UK Migrant agency and everyday lives Resistance and care activism Active Listening Questions What can we learn from looking at the everyday lives of the migrants? How does Ethel explain why migrant care workers’ organisations emerged? And what do they offer to migrant care workers that states do not? Why might migrant care workers resist the idea of being ‘sisters’? And what alternative ways of understanding the relationships of care between them are discussed in the episode? What does care activism make visible about migrant agency? Read … Ethel’s book and article with Jon Careless on Anja K. Franck’s article Listen to … Call to action on all major podcasting platforms. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, check out , follow us on , or .
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S3 E7 Families at the borders
11/16/2023
S3 E7 Families at the borders
What happens when borders cross families? How do families navigate these interruptions to their ability to live together? This episode considers what shifting perspective to families opens up to view in terms of thinking about the work of borders and their impact on people’s everyday lives. Helena Wray, Professor of Migration Law at the University of Exeter, explains the historical development of family migration laws and what these make visible about the racialization of the nation and its political community. Elena Zambelli explains what a ‘mixed-status family’ is, and the many ways in which states may affect its members’ everyday lives and future imaginings. And co-hosts Nando Sigona and Michaela Benson consider how the state’s regulation of family migrations is linked to the reproduction of the nation state, and draw on data collected within the MIGZEN project to show the effects of Brexit on British-European families. You can access the full transcripts for the episode, further resources and active listening questions over on our website:
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BtH2 E1 Beyond the headlines … at Manchester Museum with Senna Yousef and Caitlin Nunn
11/10/2023
BtH2 E1 Beyond the headlines … at Manchester Museum with Senna Yousef and Caitlin Nunn
We’re out and about in this episode! Ala and Michaela have been on the road. And in this episode they visit Manchester Museum and a new project aimed at decolonising the museum collection. They are joined by members of the Ancient History, Contemporary Belonging research project—youth researcher Senna Yousef and Dr Caitlin Nunn from Manchester Metropolitan University—which retells the history of objects held by the Museum through archival research and young people’s experiences of migration. You can access the full transcripts for each episode on the . In this episode we cover … - Decolonising Museums - Participatory and arts-based methods - The Koh-i-noor Diamond and the British Monarch Find out more about … The Senna’s contribution to the exhibition Our headline ‘ The Koh-i-Noor Diamond from these podcasts that we rate from and Call to action on all major podcasting platforms. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, check out , follow us on , or .
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S3 E6 Migrant Rights 2.0
10/12/2023
S3 E6 Migrant Rights 2.0
Borders around the world are becoming increasingly digitised. But who does the digitisation of borders serve? How are these technologies related to state-led projects of securitisation and surveillance? And what do digital bordering practices mean for migrants, migrant rights and advocacy? In this episode we lift the lid on digital bordering. We debunk political rhetoric about how these make border control more efficient to consider what the increasing use of such technologies of border control makes visible about bordering as a practice and process around the world today. Elena Zambelli considers what we mean when we talk about digital borders and shows it is linked to the increasing precarity of legal status among migrants. Kuba Jablonowski, Lecturer in Sociology at the University of Bristol joins us with a case study that brings all of this to life: the digital and online only roll out of the EU Settled Status Scheme (EUSS) in the UK, how this was framed by the priorities of the Home Office, the consequences for EU nationals, including the racial discrimination produced through its implementation. And Nando and Michaela turn their attention to how those taking part on our research experienced such statuses, how this links to Hostile Environment, and the challenges that this presents for migrant rights and advocacy. You can access the full transcripts for the episode, further resources and active listening questions over on our website:
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S3 E5 Migration, diaspora, diplomacy
09/14/2023
S3 E5 Migration, diaspora, diplomacy
What role do diplomacy and the power play between states play in the development of migration policy? And how can turning our attention to the significance of foreign policy within migration governance help us in understanding the post-Brexit migration regime in the UK? In this jam-packed episode, we consider how foreign policy and geopolitics shapes migration and mobility regimes. Catherine Craven explains what we mean when we talk about migration diplomacy. Fiona Adamson, Professor of International Relations at SOAS, invites us to think about how migration and diaspora feature in inter-state relations, with a particular focus on the EU. Through the discussion of the UK’s new humanitarian visas and the citizens’ negotiations, Nando and Michaela reflect on the relationship between migration diplomacy and the UK’s shifting position on the world stage after Brexit. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … Migration diplomacy and the geopolitics of migration Hong Kong BN(O) and Ukraine Visa schemes Brexit and the citizens’ rights negotiations Active listening questions What does ‘migration diplomacy’ mean? What actors do and can engage in migration diplomacy? What diplomatic instruments can states use to govern international migration? Which new visa routes and trade and mobility agreements has Britain negotiated and/or implemented since Brexit? Find more about … The uses of Why are here to stay How the Our podcast picks ... Explore background debates and concepts in International Relations theory more generally at NPR’s Throughline on Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . Get all the latest updates from the on and Follow Who do we think we are? on , or .
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S3 E4 A New Plan for Migration?
08/10/2023
S3 E4 A New Plan for Migration?
What’s changed in the UK’s approach to migration since Brexit? How has this impacted on migration flows? Who is and isn’t migrating to the UK ? In A New Plan for Migration? we consider the shape and structure of the UK’s regulation and governance of migration since leaving the European Union. Catherine Craven explains what we mean when we talk about Migration Regimes, and shows how this works in practice. Barrister, author and Founder of Colin Yeo, shares his thoughts on what has and hasn’t changed in terms of laws and policies on UK immigration since Brexit. And our presenters Michaela Benson and Nando Sigona consider the politicisation of migration, and how this is reflected in rhetoric and the framing of new legislation, policy and guidelines, and what EU citizens in the UK and British citizens in the EU have to say about it. And they ask the question is the post Brexit regime just? You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website Who do we think we are? In this episode we cover … Migration regimes New plan for migration Post-Brexit borders and immigration controls Active listening questions: How would you define a migration regime? What do migration regimes do for states? In what ways has the UK’s migration regime changed since Brexit, if at all? Find out more about … in Michaela and Nando’s piece for Open Democracy The injustices inherent in the UK’s current immigration system from Colin’s book An early call for the institution of a fair global migration regime in article by Stephen Castles Podcast recommendations: Colin on the Politico podcast: Listen to the for regular updates and commentaries on UK immigration law Check this episode of where Colin joined Michaela and Ala Sirriyeh to discuss Suella Braverman Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . Get all the latest updates from the on and Follow Who do we think we are? on , or .
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S3 E3 Bye, Bye Britain
07/07/2023
S3 E3 Bye, Bye Britain
Understandings of migration are invariably reduced to immigration, framed by the policy agenda of receiving states. But what about the people who leave? And why does it matter that we remember, as French-Algerian sociologist Abdelmalek Sayad stressed, that ‘every immigrant is also an emigrant’? From the role of emigration in the making of the British empire and other European colonial powers to its neglect in public and political conversations about migration today, this episode explores what is opened up when we turn the spotlight onto those leaving the sovereign territory of a nation. Elena Zambelli explains what we mean when we talk about emigration. Mukti Jain Campion, founder of the independent production company Culture Wise, reminds us of the relationship between emigration and the making of the British Empire. Nando and Michaela reflect on why we need to talk about emigration today. We look into how states engage with emigration from its role in net migration figures through to policies and concerns over brain drains. And we turn to consider who is leaving Britain today, drawing on what British citizens and EU nationals taking part in our research told us about the significance of Brexit to their emigration decisions. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … Emigration and colonisation Leaving Britain today Brexit and Brits Abroad Active listening questions Do you have any family members who have emigrated from their country of origin? What do you know about their reasons for leaving? What do you think understanding emigration can add to our understandings of migration? What is the relationship between British emigration and British colonialism? And how does this shape the experiences of British citizens emigrating today? What relationship does your country have with its citizens who have moved abroad? Hear more from Michaela and Mukti about Learn about The Migration Museum’s Explore the of British citizens living in the EU Our podcast picks ... – 400 Years of Emigration from Britain BBC Radio 3 Free Thinking, Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . Get all the latest updates from the on and Follow Who do we think we are? on , or .
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BONUS Interview with Elspeth Guild
06/22/2023
BONUS Interview with Elspeth Guild
This bonus episode features the full length recording of Elspeth Guild, legal scholar and counsel and our guest in Season 3 Episode 2, offering deep insights into the development of the EU's free movement regime, from its early form as a structure supporting the mobility of workers to its current form linked to EU citizenship. She reflects on the conditions that led to its introduction, how it's understood by governments, but also those who have taken up the opportunities it offers, as well as how is sits in the broader context of Fortress Europe and the ongoing politicisation of asylum.
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S3 E2 Free Movement, limited
06/02/2023
S3 E2 Free Movement, limited
We’re talking Freedom of Movement, its role in the formation of an EU–wide imagined community, and the experiences of people who have lost their FOM rights due to Brexit. Catherine Craven explains what we mean when we talk about Freedom of Movement within the EU, its institutional underpinnings and social implications. Elspeth Guild, legal scholar and counsel, joins us to talk about the history and evolution of Free Movement rights within the EU, what Freedom of Movement does for Europeans and the meaning of EU citizenship, as well as the significance of the external EU border and the politicisation of asylum in the story of EU Free Movement. Nando and Michaela reflect on changes to who moves within Europe, how mobility within the EU relates to feelings of identity and belonging, as well as the inequalities that exist amongst EU citizens when they exercise Free Movement rights, and the impact of Brexit on those people who have lost their rights to FOM since Brexit. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … 1 Freedom of Movement 2 EU citizenship, identity and belonging 3 What Brexit and the loss of FOM has meant for British citizens in the EU and EU citizens in the UK Active listening questions How would you describe Freedom of Movement? What factors might shape people’s experience of moving within the EU? And relatedly, what challenges or opportunities might people face when they move within the EU? What role does migration play in creating and maintaining a ‘community of Europeans’? In what ways has Brexit changed how you - your family & friends - can move to or within the EU? Find more about … How migration and asylum relate to the “European way of life” from Elspeth’s in the European Law Journal How British People of Colour experience Brexit in Michaela Benson and Chantelle Lewis’ article in What Brexit means for British citizens in the EU-27 in this What place has got to do with identifying as European in this on Brexit, emotions and belonging by Nando Sigona and Marie Godin And why is London the (best) place to be for Roma? Watch this on European belongings and political participation beyond Brexit. Our podcast picks ... – Free Movement on Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . Get all the latest updates from the on and Follow Who do we think we are? on , or .
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S3 E1 Of Kings, Songs and Migrants
05/05/2023
S3 E1 Of Kings, Songs and Migrants
What does Eurovision have to do with the Coronation? We’re talking about what we learn about ‘Global Britain’ and its imagined community from looking at how migrants understand major cultural events. Elena Zambelli explains what social scientists mean when they talk about the imagined community. Laura Clancy, sociologist of the royal family, joins us to talk about the missing voices in conversations about the future of the British monarchy. Co-hosts Nando Sigona and Michaela Benson reflect on what British citizens living abroad, EU citizens and others who have made the UK their homes told them about how they understand Britain and their place within it following Brexit. And consider what hearing from them about the monarchy, the Commonwealth Games and Eurovision makes visible about the new borders of political membership and symbolic boundaries of belonging. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … 1 The imagined community 2 The monarchy and the myth of the British nation 3 Eurovision, the Commonwealth Games and Royal Events Active listening questions What imagined community, or imagined communities, do you feel that you belong to? Are there public events during which you do or could celebrate your belonging to this or these communities? Which ones? Who do you think is excluded from this imagined community and how? And what does this tell us about the symbolic boundaries of this community? Find more about … What EU citizens in the UK and British citizens in the EU think about the monarchy in in the Sociological Review Magazine The concept of imagined community in Benedict Anderson’s and the critique offered by Partha Chatterjee’s Laura’s sociology of the royal family in her book and the Surviving Society podcast miniseries Our podcast picks for this episode are: Academic Aunties on ‘’ The Allusionist on Coversations with IRiS on Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . Get all the latest updates from the on and Follow Who do we think we are? on , or .
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[SWAP] Uncommon Sense: Security, with Daria Krivonos
04/21/2023
[SWAP] Uncommon Sense: Security, with Daria Krivonos
Too often, talk about security seems to belong to politicians and psychologists; to discussions about terrorism and defence, individual anxiety and insecurity. But how do sociologists think about it? And why care? Daria Krivonos – who works on migration, race and class in Central and Eastern Europe – tells Alexis and Rosie why security matters. What’s the impact of calling migration a “security threat”? How does the security of the privileged rely on the insecurity of the precarious? And, as Russia’s war in Ukraine continues, what would it mean to truly #StandwithUkraine – from ensuring better job security for its workers abroad, to cancelling its debt? Plus: pop culture pointers; from Kae Tempest’s “People’s Faces” to the movie “The Mauritanian” – and Alexis’ teenage passion for Rage Against the Machine. Guest: Daria Krivonos Hosts: Rosie Hancock, Alexis Hieu Truong Executive Producer: Alice Bloch Sound Engineer: David Crackles Music: Joe Gardner Artwork: Erin Aniker Find more about Uncommon Sense at . Episode Resources Daria, Rosie and Alexis recommended Kae Tempest’s song “People’s Faces” Rage Against the Machine’s song “Without a Face” Kevin Macdonald’s movie “The Mauritanian” From The Sociological Review – Michaela Benson and Nando Sigona – Brenna Bhandar – Susan Marie Martin By Daria Krivonos “Racial capitalism and the production of difference in Helsinki and Warsaw” (forthcoming) Further readings – Alison Mountz – Danish Refugee Council World Food Programme and statistics – UN Secretary-General – Diane Taylor – Nira Yuval-Davis, Georgie Wemyss and Kathryn Cassidy Anthony Giddens’ ; including
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S2 BONUS Behind the Scenes
03/31/2023
S2 BONUS Behind the Scenes
Here’s a little season end bonus, where our presenter, Michaela Benson and podcast researcher, George Kalivis go behind the scenes at Who do we think we are? They reflect on the origins of the series, the role of the podcast in challenging taken for granted understandings of migration and citizenship in the UK today. They unpack what goes into the making of each episode and what they’ve learned along the way. And consider the stories that didn’t make it into the series and those that stuck with them, and the importance of making audible the dialogues at the heart of academic scholarship. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are? On our , , or .
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S2 E10 In dialogue
03/24/2023
S2 E10 In dialogue
For the final episode of Season 2, we bring you a set of conversations about what Who do we think we are? achieves through dialogues with archival and social science research around migration and citizenship in the UK and beyond. We’re joined by former guest, Bolaji Balogun (University of Sheffield) who reflects on what excited him about taking part the podcast and offers tips for future guests. Niamh Welby, our former student intern, describes on how working on the podcast opened her eyes to the power and presence of resistance to present-day immigration controls and why words matter when we talk about migration. Michael J Richardson (University of Newcastle) explains why and how he has been using the podcast in the classroom with his first year undergraduate students. We’re also joined by his student Olivia Allerton who tells us what listening to the podcast has done for her knowledge and understanding and calls for the broader inclusion of podcasts on undergraduate reading lists. Listen for recommendations, reflections on podcasts as a form of public engagement with social science and value in the classroom. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … 1 Dialogue and academic knowledge production 2 Podcasting and the public engagement with social science 3 Podcasts in the classroom To find out more about … ‘The King of Kowloon’ , by Michael J Richardson and his colleagues at the University of Newcastle Scholarly Podcasting, we recommend Ian Cook’s Podcasts in the classroom, read Michaela’s reflections for And don’t forget to listen to ! Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are? On our , , or .
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S2 E9 East-West inequalities and the remaking of unequal Europeans
02/17/2023
S2 E9 East-West inequalities and the remaking of unequal Europeans
What does the characterisation of those from Europe’s east as migrants by politicians and in some corners of the media make visible about the politics of migration? What is distinctive about the ways in which they are migratised and racialised? And what does this offer to understandings of racism and racialisation? We’re joined by Aleks Lewicki (University of Sussex) to discuss how critical race theory and postcolonial scholarship can deepen our understandings of repertoires of racism as these play out between ‘Europeans’. Presenter Michaela Benson explores how borders within Europe shifted over the course of the twentieth century. Podcast researcher George Kalivis goes back in the archive to consider the 2003 EU Accession Treaty. And Aleks introduces us to her work about how those from Europe’s east are migratised and why we need to carefully consider what their racialisation makes visible about the distribution of power, past and present, within Europe. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … 1 Unequal Europes and unequal Europeans 2 The 2003 EU accession treaty 3 Capitalism and the formation of European nation-states Quote ‘Postcolonial approaches draw our attention to the longer durée of precarious labour mobility … there were parallel processes of extractivism occurring. Where Europe ventured out as part of colonialism, and positioned the colonies subsequently as peripheries, at the same time, there was also an extraction of resources and cheap labour from Europe's east, which thereby became positioned as a semi periphery. If we consider these longer histories, it becomes apparent what this meant for the region … generation after generation of people had to at some point, move west to make a living and engaged in various forms of precarious labour mobility’. —Aleks Lewicki Find out more about … Aleks’ and her paper on If you liked this episode, check out our previous episodes on this topic with Bolaji Balogun and Marius Turda on , Nando Sigona on , and Manuela Boatcă on Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are? On our , , or .
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S2 E8 Who is a migrant?
01/20/2023
S2 E8 Who is a migrant?
There is nothing politically neutral about classifying and categorising people as migrants. This is a process through which certain individuals and populations are defined as migrants, whether they have crossed borders or not. It has political consequences and impacts for those who find themselves labelled as such. In this episode we turn to this always-political question to consider what this means for how we study and research migration. Researcher George Kalivis goes back to the 1970s to consider the Grunwick industrial dispute. Presenter Michaela Benson considers what the UK’s post-Brexit immigration system, makes visible about class and migration. And Bridget Anderson Professor of Migration, Mobilities and Citizenship at the University of Bristol joins us to talk about why we need to turn our attention to how the distinctions between citizens and migrants are made and to what ends, and what conceptual tools might be useful in excavating the connections between migrants and citizens as we consider the always-political question ‘Who is a migrant?’ You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … 1 Migrantisation and racialisation 2 Grunwick Dispute 3 Post-Brexit immigration regime Quote Given that ‘migrant’ is a social as well as a legal construction, then we as researchers are part of making the subordinated character of the migrants … migrants and migration, migrant and citizenship are not just neutral descriptors, they make power relations between each other and between a person and state. —Bridget Anderson Find out more about … Bridget’s and Read Bridget’s work on and We also recommend Alyosxa Tudor’s work on Michaela’s research on The Grunwick industrial dispute from the and the Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . Visit us via our , , or .
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BtH1 S8 Beyond the headlines … with İdil Akıncı-Pérez
12/23/2022
BtH1 S8 Beyond the headlines … with İdil Akıncı-Pérez
All eyes have been on Qatar because of the World Cup. And with it, attention to the poor working conditions and treatment of migrant construction workers. We go beyond the headlines with İdil Akıncı-Pérez (University of Edinburgh) to explore the back story to these issues. We look in depth at how the Gulf States approach migration and citizenship, from the Kafala sponsorship system to restrictions on citizenship which mean that only 10% of the resident population have citizenship. We move beyond the suggestion of the Gulf States as exceptional to consider instead how their approach converges and diverges from migration-citizenship regimes closer to home, and what this makes visible about global migration and citizenship regimes. You can access the full transcripts for each episode on the . In this episode we cover … Kafala and labour conditions History of citizenship and migration in the Gulf Legal precarity across the life course Quote "If you hold nationality of a country with ongoing political conflict and violence where do you go if you lose your temporary visa that is linked to employment which means you have to find a different place to live? It is really important to look at legal status together with nationality to understand inequality." — İdil Akıncı-Pérez Find out more about … Our guest İdil Akıncı-Pérez and and follow her on Our for this episode from Al Jazeera We also loved about Qatar and the World Cup from one of our favourite podcasts, NPR’s Throughline Call to action on all major podcasting platforms. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, check out , follow us on , or .
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S2 E7 European Identities from the Aliens Act 1905 to Brexit
12/09/2022
S2 E7 European Identities from the Aliens Act 1905 to Brexit
Who is unquestionably European? From Brexit to the war in Ukraine, this question has come to the fore as people of colour have found themselves disproportionately questioned as they try to exercise their rights as European citizens. We’re joined by Bolaji Balogun (University of Sheffield) and Marius Turda (Oxford Brookes) to discuss the longer history of migration between Europe the UK, how this history interplays with the development of immigration controls in the UK (and elsewhere), and the development of European identities from the early twentieth century to the present-day. George and Michaela consider the disproportionate challenges that European people of colour have faced in securing their post-Brexit status through the EU settled status scheme. In our explainer, Michaela explores the social and political context that led to the development of the 1905 Aliens Act. And in conversation, Bolaji and Marius introduce us to the role of eugenics and race science in the development of early immigration controls in the UK and how this set the stage for the racialised exclusions at the heart of contemporary immigration controls and governance practices across Europe. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on our website In this episode we cover … The Aliens Act 1905 Eugenics, race science and immigration controls European identities and Whiteness Quote The ways in which migration and citizenship are processes of inclusion and exclusion at the same time. As a citizen you think you're actually free to move around. But the same process of citizenship has been used to actually exclude and to reduce also, what you can have access to and what you canot. And actually eugenics provided tools for that to actually happen. —Bolaji Balogun We attach so much importance to historical myths of origins. And those continue to fuel, often negatively, fantasies of belonging. And white supremacy and whiteness is based on the fantasy of belonging, these ideas have never gone away. — Marius Turda Find out more about … Bolaji and his , follow him on , and read his paper Marius’s work on , follow him on , and read his paper Dahaba Ali Hussen’s , the organisation documenting systemic racism in the EUSS scheme Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are? On our , , or .
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BtH1 S7 Beyond the headlines … with Hannah Lewis
11/25/2022
BtH1 S7 Beyond the headlines … with Hannah Lewis
In July 2022 the news broke that Sir Mo Farah, four times Olympian for Team GB, had been trafficked to the UK as a child. The headlines enhanced public understandings of trafficking. They brought into the frame the children forced into domestic servitude and the circumstances which mean that their situations may not come to light. Hosts Ala Sirriyeh and Michaela Benson are joined by Dr Hannah Lewis, University of Sheffield to discuss what trafficking is and its relationship to modern slavery and forced labour; public responses to victims of trafficking; and how the Hostile Environment further limits the possibilities of exiting the relationships of exploitation at the heart of trafficking. You can access the full transcripts for each episode on the In this episode we cover … 1 Human Trafficking 2 Sir Mo Farah 3 Forced Labour and Domestic Servitude Quote ... we cannot resolve the problem of severe exploitation in the UK ... without disentangling it from scapegoating of migrants and xenophobic immigration controls. It's not possible to intervene effectively in this area, without tackling the problems that we have in the UK, with immigration controls, and the way in which these are now being woven into everyday life through the hostile environment. —Hannah Lewis Where can you find out more about the topics in today’s episode? Find out more about Hannah and her research on Read her co-authored Our headline for this episode was Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our RSS Feed. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, check out , follow us on , or .
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S2 E6 Imagining a new Britain, 20 years on
11/11/2022
S2 E6 Imagining a new Britain, 20 years on
Who do we think we are? In the early 2000s, with the beginning of the New Labour government, journalist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown asked this question, calling for a radical reimagining of who was considered as British and outlining her hopes for a new Britain. In this special episode, she joins Michaela Benson in conversation to consider why 20 years later we’re still asking the same question. She draws out the differences between now and then; shifts within the Conservative Party from Thatcher to the present-day; what this means for questions of race, migration and belonging; New Labour, migration and the Iraq War; Meghan Markle; the challenges ahead for keeping hope alive and the small You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on the . In this episode we cover … 1 New Labour, immigration and citizenship 2 Conservative Party from Thatcher to the present-day 3 Meghan Markle Quote … if Labour is going to do anything meaningful, it needs to be addressing who we are, and who we can be and who we want to be. And use its period in power, not to social engineer, but to tell a proper history, for example, to educate our children differently, maybe to get sections of the media to reflect the country we are not the country they wish we were. —Yasmin Alibhai-Brown Where can you find out more about the topics in today’s episode? You can find Yasmin on or via her column in . Her book Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, follow us on , or .
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BtH1 E6 Beyond the headlines … with Cecilia Menjívar
10/28/2022
BtH1 E6 Beyond the headlines … with Cecilia Menjívar
For many people, migration is about escaping persecution and state violence. But in the context increasingly criminalisation of migration, state violence may characterise the lives of immigrants. Hosts Ala Sirriyeh and Michaela Benson are joined by Professor Cecilia Menjívar to discuss her work with Central American migrants in the US. She highlights how those taking part in her empirical research from Arizona to Kansas revealed to her the ways in which the infrastructures of immigration enforcement and control in the US shape migrant lives and the parallels they draw in state violence before and after migration. And she stresses the urgent need to consider legal status as an axis of social inequality in contemporary society. In this episode we cover … U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Legal violence and legal liminality Legal status and social inequalities Quote … that brought to me the parallels between life under state terror in Central America, and life under legal terror brought about by immigration enforcement in the United States Cecilia Menjívar Find out more Find out more about Cecilia’s work on the and follow her on We recommend her work on and her co-authored research with Leisy Abrego on Our headline was from the LA Times about US Immigration and Customs enforcement in the shift from Trump to Biden. Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our RSS Feed. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources on follow us on , or .
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S2 E5 What can we learn about what British and EU citizenship from Brexit?
10/14/2022
S2 E5 What can we learn about what British and EU citizenship from Brexit?
As people find themselves queueing up at border controls in EU member states, as their passports are stamped, there have been questions about why these things are happening. It’s all because of Brexit, and more specifically, the end of free movement between the UK and EU which means that British citizens are no longer EU citizens. But what do you know about EU citizenship is and isn’t? In this episode we’re joined by Nando Sigona, Professor in International Migration and Forced Displacement at the University of Birmingham, to talk Brexit, EU citizenship and what this makes visible about British citizenship. Michaela’s explainer offers a whirlwind tour of EU citizenship from the Maastricht Treaty to Brexit, highlighting its emergence in the context of ambitions for European integration and considering what the loss of EU citizenship means for British citizens and their families. George experiences déjà vu as he uncovers how some politicians and parliamentarians in the UK responded to the idea of EU citizenship when it was mooted in 1992. And Nando helps us unpack what we can learn about citizenship from looking at Brexit as a political transition, its impacts on the lives of EU citizens living in the UK but also considering this in the context of racialised bordering practices, past and present, in the UK and EU. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on the . In this episode we cover … The Maastricht Treaty, EU citizenship Freedom of Movement Brexit and EU citizens Quote In a sense Brexit was a laboratory for seeing the redefinition and rewriting of citizenship in action but was not new in itself, actually there is almost an institutional memory of how to do these kind of things in the case of Britain. — Nando Sigona Find out more about … Nando and his work , follow him on , read his book This episode’s primary source for Michaela’s work including with Chantelle Lewis Call to action on major podcasting platforms or through our . Follow us on , or .
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BtH1 S5 Beyond the headlines … with Colin Yeo
09/30/2022
BtH1 S5 Beyond the headlines … with Colin Yeo
With a new UK cabinet comes a new Home Secretary, Suella Braverman MP former Attorney General. While there has been a lot of focus on her politics, what does this mean for the Home Office and in particular its approach to immigration? Hosts Ala Sirriyeh and Michaela Benson are joined by Colin Yeo, Barrister at Garden Court Chambers and editor of the Free Movement blog, to talk about all this and consider how it sits in the decade-long context of the Hostile Environment. While our headline focusses on her pledge to bring the numbers of people crossing the Channel in small boats to zero, what is going on behind the scenes? Is this more of the same or a new era? And what’s to come? You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on the . In this episode we cover … 1 The Hostile Environment 2 The Home Office from Theresa May, Priti Patel and Suella Braverman 3 ID cards, passports and immigration controls Quote ‘They've got all the tools they need to be as horrible as they like, and you know, All they have to do is change the immigration rules and change regulations. And so I just don't see that they need any primary legislation, but we'll probably see it anyway.’ —Colin Yeo, on the UK’s immigration legislation Where can you find out more about the topics in today’s episode? Follow Colin on Read and May Bulman’s Gwyneth Lonergan’s research on Project Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our RSS Feed. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, follow us on , or .
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S2 E4 What do family migration rules reveal about British citizenship today?
09/16/2022
S2 E4 What do family migration rules reveal about British citizenship today?
You start a relationship with someone living abroad. As the relationship gets serious, you decide to take the next steps and live together. But there's a border in the way. We’re joined by , senior lecturer in sociology at Lancaster University to talk about how borders disrupt and remake families, why as a British citizen your non-British family members are not exempt from immigration controls and what this tells us about British citizenship today. George Kalivis goes back into the archive to look at the secret deportation of Chinese merchant seamen from Liverpool after WW2 and how this shattered families and left many unanswered questions for their wives and mixed-race children left behind. Michaela Benson looks at the 2012 changes to the UK’s immigration rules and their impact on non-British family members, the ‘Surinder Singh’ route which exempted from the UK’s domestic immigration controls for some family members under EU free movement directives. And Ala talks to Michaela about how family migration rules exclude people on the grounds of race and class, and the creative ways in which people try to overcome these in order to simply live together. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on the . In this episode we cover … The secret deportation of Chinese Merchant Seamen Family Migration Rules The right to family life, the Surinder Singh Route and Brexit Quote In looking at the impacts of these family migration rules shows us the blurring of the migrant-citizen divide … The kind of hierarchies of citizenship are not simply about being citizen or migrant but are based in much more complex and less stable ways … around a kind of hierarchy around axes of race and class. — Ala Sirriyeh Find out more … about Ala and her work , take a look at her books and , and follow her on . Further Resources Ala’s article . Dan Hancox’s Guardian articles on and . Michaela’s co-authored works on and how . If you liked this episode, you might also enjoy our episodes on and . Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, follow us on , or .
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S2 E3 How do protest and resistance make citizens and citizenship?
08/19/2022
S2 E3 How do protest and resistance make citizens and citizenship?
Over the past few years, international media has been full of reports of protest among them the global Black Lives matter protests, the uprisings in Hong Kong, and Extinction Rebellion. Beyond these social movements, we have seen community action aimed at resisting immigration raids and standing up for trans- and migrant rights among others. These acts of resistance and protest reveal another side to citizenship, where those not granted rights take matters into their own hands and claim their right to claim in their struggles against injustice. In this episode, we consider citizenship through a lens onto resistance and protest. Presenter Michaela Benson introduces the idea of citizenship as a site struggle, as always in the making. Podcast researcher George Kalivis reflects on recent protests in London. And we’re joined by Engin Isin, Professor in International Politics at Queen Mary University of London, to explain what acts of citizenship are and the potential of these to challenge dominant framings of who counts as a citizen through examples that include Rosa Parks, Tiananmen Square and the Windrush Deportation Scandal You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on the . In this episode we cover … 1 Acts of citizenship and citizenship struggles 2 Resistance, protest and social movement 3 Rosa Parks, Tiananmen Square and the Windrush Deportation Scandal Quote As long as there was notion of citizenship or some form of the dominant virtue of a dominant person, there was resistance to it, there was never a moment where the alternative of citizens just dropped arms and stopped resisting it, it's impossible to think so that resistance itself is, is hope, but also inspiration. — Engin Isin Where can you find out more about the topics in today’s episode? Find out more about Engin and his work on citizenship We particularly recommend his work on and the Visit the journal George consulted the in The Observer about resistance to immigration raids in Peckham Listen to Étienne Balibar talk about the unfinished history of citizenship Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our . To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, follow us on , or .
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BtH1 E4 Beyond the headlines … with Alison Phipps and Tawona Sithole
08/05/2022
BtH1 E4 Beyond the headlines … with Alison Phipps and Tawona Sithole
In June 2022, the headlines in the UK were full of news about the Rwanda plan. As an ECHR ruling halted the first deportation flight scheduled to depart from Rwanda, from the Prince of Wales to the Archbishop of Canterbury it was the high-profile opponents of the scheme to offshore the UK’s responsibilities to those seeking asylum that caught the attention of the press. But this public outpouring of resistance to bordering did not emerge from nowhere. It sits on years of resistance and protest from the grassroots and within local communities. , UNESCO Chair in Refugee Integration through Languages and the Arts at the University of Glasgow, and Sitholé (AKA Ganyamatope), Poet-in-Residence for the Glasgow Refugee, Asylum and Migration Network join Michaela and Ala to go beyond the headlines to look into the roles of local communities in resistance to bordering. Taking local community action in Glasgow as a starting point, they explore everyday acts of resistance, the connections between solidarities movements around the UK, and the political potential of poetry and storytelling. You can access the full transcripts for each episode over on the . In this episode we cover … 1 The Rwanda Deportation Scheme 2 Glasgow and the Kenmure Street Protests 3 Migrant solidarity across the UK Quote [I]t isn't the stopping of the Rwanda flight that led to the publication of the Bill of Rights … that bill should have been unthinkable. And it has been thinkable because vested interests wish to see the removal of human rights from large swathes of the population, in the interests of vested in offshored capital, and outsourcing as a way of thinking about human beings and human beings not as human beings, but as human capital. — Alison Phipps Where can you find out more about the topics in today’s episode? Our headline ‘’ was published in The Guardian, 14 June 2022 Alison Phipps is on at . Read her thoughts on the Rwanda Plain in this blogpost You can also hear more from her here Tawona Sitholé (AKA Ganyamatope) is on or at . Find more of his work at . The poems performed in the episode are words and To learn more about activism in Glasgow we recommend, article on ‘The festival of resistance’ a year on from Kenmure Street protests, article on the protests against the Rwanda plans and blog on the Glasgow girls and Roza Salih’s journey to becoming a candidate for the Scottish Parliament election. Call to action on all major podcasting platforms or through our RSS Feed. To find out more about Who do we think we are?, including news, events and resources, follow us on , or .
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*EPISODE SWAP* Surviving Society E147 Aleema Gray: Notes on the Rastafari Movement in Britain
07/22/2022
*EPISODE SWAP* Surviving Society E147 Aleema Gray: Notes on the Rastafari Movement in Britain
For our first episode swap, we’ve partnered up with , the antiracist podcast that explores the local and global politics of race and class from a sociological perspective. We’re featuring this episode where hosts and Tissot Regis are joined by public historian to discuss her journey through academia and the initial findings from her PhD project - Bun Babylon: Rastafari movement in Britain. Exec prod: Theme music by Joey PenaliggonDesign by Amber Jones Designs Find out more about Aleema’s research with the Rastafari movement in Britain in . Listen to Surviving Society wherever you get your podcasts via . You can also support them via and follow them on and
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