104: Matt Ottley (The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness)
Release Date: 08/26/2024
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Charlie and Amy Engel (I Did It For You) discuss her literary thriller wherein the killer did it but it isn't that simple, wherein both the victim's and killer's families are given empathy, and wherein the sister of the victim and the brother of the killer start a romance. Please note that whilst there are no references to detailed violence, this episode looks at various issues surrounding murder cases. General references: It was indeed Elmore Leonard who said, "You take out the parts that people skip when they're reading". Books mentioned by name or extensively: Amy Engel: The Familiar Dark...
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Charlie is joined by Alex Hay, Lucy Barker, Stacey Thomas, and a wonderful audience at Goldfinch Books in Alton. You want a writing deep dive? You've got it! Please note that this episode has a whispered swear word in it - we were all adults! The next live event will be at P&G Wells in Winchester on Friday 4th April. If you can't click the link, go to pgwells.co.uk Full show notes and a transcript to follow shortly.
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Charlie and Éric Chacour (What I Know About You) discuss Egypt in the 1970s for the Levantine community and LGBT people, the famous French-Egyptian singer Dalida, Romeo and Juliet, Éric's use of the second person, and author and translator working together on writing that had been in place for 15 years. General references: Books mentioned by name or extensively: Éric Chacour: What I Know About You Buy the books: || Release details: recorded 20th September 2024; published 10th February 2025 Where to find Éric online: || Where to find Charlie online: || || || Discussions 02:09...
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Charlie and Edward Carey (Edith Holler) talk at length about the arts and the theatre in the context of his book and in general. They also talk about Norwich as Edward's book is his love letter to the city. Please note there is a mild swear word in this episode. General references: Edward's previous episode on this podcast is number 52 My episode with Melissa Fu is number 59 Books mentioned by name or extensively: Edward Carey: Edith Holler Gaston Le Roux: The Phantom Of The Opera Jeanette Winterson: The Passion Julian Of Norwich: Revelations Of Divine Love Robert Louis Stevenson:...
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Charlie and Eliza Chan (Fathomfolk) discuss many questions of immigration in both reality and her fantasy fiction, the different mythological creatures she used and decisions in regards to location inspiration, and Fathomfolk's controversial ending. Please note there is a spoiler in this episode for N K Jemisin's The Fifth Season. General references: Books mentioned by name or extensively: Eliza Chan: Fathomfolk Eliza Chan: Tideborn N K Jemisin: The Fifth Season R F Kuang: Babel Rhonda Parrish (ed.): Sirens Buy the books: || Release details: recorded 14th August 2024; published 23rd...
info_outlineCharlie and Matt Ottley (The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness) discuss Matt's type I bipolar disorder and how it has influenced this, his latest book, and his life in general. As Matt is also a composer and illustrator and the book involves both, we also discuss in detail the creation of the music and artwork.
Please note that there are mentions of child sexual abuse and attempted suicide in this episode.
A transcript is available on my site
General references:
The Sound Of Picture Books on YouTube
Film trailer for The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness
Tina Wilson set up the Lester Prize
Books mentioned by name or extensively:
Matt Ottley: The Tree Of Ecstasy And Unbearable Sadness
Buy the books: UK
Release details: recorded 16th April 2024; published 26th August 2024
Where to find Matt online: Website || Facebook || Instagram
Where to find Charlie online: Website || Twitter || Instagram || TikTok
Discussions
00:01:36 The whys of the book - why this story, why produce it in this way, why now (this turns into a larger discussion of Matt's bipolar disorder and how it affects him)
00:13:18 Matt's musical initiative for children, The Sound Of Picture Books
00:19:45 The artistic process of the book, the artwork
00:24:35 The image of the pregnant mother in water, Matt's painting of water in general, and the elephants
00:29:08 The animals in terms of metaphors of unreality, evolution, and mania
00:32:32 Where Matt started in illustration, music, and writing - the discussion revolves mostly around music - and also inspirations
00:42:01 All about the music - composing, recording, the orchestra, choir, and so on
00:52:01 [An extract of music from the score, courtesy of Matt]
00:58:34 Discussing the narration and narrator, Matt's wife, Tina Wilson
01:02:04 The book's text - starting point and so on
01:04:38 Matt tells us about his childhood, family, and experience of bipolar growing up
01:09:34 What's next? (A variety of projects are discussed.)
Photo credit: Tina Wilson
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