Blue Sky

Hosted by Bill Burke, founder of The Optimism Institute, this weekly podcast will feature inspiring leaders, authors, researchers, and big thinkers who are taking on some of our world’s toughest challenges with an infectious sense of optimism. Blue Sky takes its name from the meditation reminder that there’s always blue sky above, sometimes you just have to get your head above the clouds to see it.

Stacey Garcia on Resilience and Optimism in the Face of Personal Roadblocks and Why She Thinks “Mondays are Magic” 09/17/2025

Stacey Garcia on Resilience and Optimism in the Face of Personal Roadblocks and Why She Thinks “Mondays are Magic” As a personal trainer and wellness coach, Stacey Garcia was doing everything right. She ate well, exercised, and took great care of herself. That’s why her cancer diagnosis came as an extra shock, and in this episode, she explains how she dealt with this news and found strength and resilience as she battled her disease. Now in recovery, Stacey helps guide others through similar challenges both in her daily work as well as her podcast . Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Stacey Garcia Bill Burke introduces Stacey Garcia, host of ‘Never Miss a Monday’ podcast. 02:15 Stacey’s Background and Career Stacey discusses her career path, from being a third-generation dancer to becoming a personal trainer and integrative health coach. 05:12 Cancer Diagnosis and Reiki Stacey recounts the shocking diagnosis of cancer despite her healthy lifestyle, triggered by a nightmare. She describes how she discovered a lump, navigated the diagnostic process, and eventually found healing and purpose through Reiki during her recovery. 09:26 Never Miss a Monday Podcast Stacey shares the origins of her podcast’s title, ‘Never Miss a Monday,’ stemming from her athletic training philosophy. She explains how her cancer diagnosis pivoted the podcast’s focus to survivorship and mindset, featuring inspiring stories from various survivors. 13:59 Embracing Mondays for Success Stacey elaborates on her ‘Never Miss a Monday’ philosophy, advocating for intentional Sunday self-care to ensure a strong start to the week. 16:49 Communicating the Diagnosis to Children Stacey shares the challenging experience of telling her young children about her cancer diagnosis, highlighting the importance of honesty and age-appropriate information. 19:50 Silver Linings and Community Support Stacey reflects on the silver linings of her cancer journey, including developing deep gratitude, a shift in perspective, and discovering the power of community. She highlights how her experience inspired her to use her recovery as a gift to support and educate others through her podcast. 23:46 Survivor’s Guilt and Podcast Impact Stacey addresses the complexities of ‘survivor’s guilt’ and how her early diagnosis motivated her to give back to the cancer community. She details her podcast’s mission to educate and empower, featuring diverse guests who embody a survivorship and empowerment mindset. 28:39 Optimism, Meaning, and Future Focus Stacey discusses optimism as a choice and a daily practice, aligning with Viktor Frankl’s ‘Man’s Search for Meaning’ by focusing on what’s ahead. She emphasizes that challenges are temporary, and maintaining a forward-looking mindset is crucial for overcoming adversity. 33:00 Dealing with Relapse and Self-Advocacy Stacey shares her decision to pursue an alternative route for cancer reoccurrence prevention, prioritizing quality of life over conventional treatment. She underscores the critical importance of stress management, self-advocacy in healthcare, and early detection, especially for women with dense breast tissue. 39:30 Gratitude and Medical Advancements Stacey emphasizes that gratitude feeds optimism, encouraging appreciation for past blessings and current advancements in medicine and technology. She highlights the importance of leveraging resources like remote Reiki and continuous learning for well-being. 41:19 Nature’s Healing Power and Sunday Prep Stacey advocates for ‘forest bathing’ and connecting with nature for cell regeneration and joy, recalling the concept of ‘nature deficit disorder.’ 46:20 The ‘Get To’ Mindset and Conclusion Stacey champions the ‘get to’ versus ‘have to’ mindset, transforming daily tasks into acts of gratitude and self-love. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/38167160

Astronaut Nicole Stott Reflects on Lessons She Learned in Outer Space and How They Changed Her View of Life on “Spaceship Earth” 09/10/2025

Astronaut Nicole Stott Reflects on Lessons She Learned in Outer Space and How They Changed Her View of Life on “Spaceship Earth” Nicole Stott had a remarkable career with NASA, logging more than 100 days in outer space. Her time on the International Space Station drives her appreciation for the importance of cooperation across cultures and national boundaries. On this Blue Sky episode, she describes lessons learned from her time as an astronaut, and the inspiring work she does today through the Space For Art Foundation, and her optimistic and solutions-oriented approach to life. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction to Nicole Stott This chapter introduces Nicole Stott, a retired NASA astronaut, aquanaut, engineer, artist, and author. It highlights her unique experiences as one of fewer than 600 people to have flown in space, her inspiration from her father, and her journey into aeronautical engineering after a personal tragedy. 03:42 From Tragedy to Astronaut Nicole shares the profound impact of her father’s tragic death in a plane crash on her career path, explaining how it fueled her desire to understand how things fly, leading to aeronautical engineering and eventually NASA. She also touches on her ‘aquanaut’ experience, spending 18 days underwater as training for spaceflight. 12:07 The Power of Optimism in Space Nicole discusses the ‘here’s how we can’ approach essential for space travel, contrasting it with pessimism, and emphasizing the importance of teamwork in an international setting. She details her missions on the Space Shuttle and International Space Station, highlighting the global collaboration required for such complex endeavors. 19:18 Earth as Spaceship, Us as Crewmates Nicole reflects on the profound perspective gained from space, seeing Earth’s thin atmosphere as a fragile ‘thin blue line’ and the International Space Station’s hull as a parallel. This realization fuels her belief that all humans are ‘crewmates’ on ‘Spaceship Earth,’ inspiring a collective mission to protect our planet. 27:01 Art, Space, and Healing Nicole shares her passion for art, which developed from a young age and continued during her space missions, where she created the first watercolor painting in space. This passion led her to establish the Space for Art Foundation, which uses space-themed art therapy to inspire and unite children in pediatric hospitals and refugee centers worldwide. 34:38 The Future of Space and Humanity Nicole discusses the current landscape of space exploration, including public-private partnerships with companies like SpaceX and Blue Origin, and the broader motivations behind these endeavors. She also highlights the ‘never underestimate the importance of bugs’ principle, emphasizing that small individual actions can lead to significant planetary solutions. 45:12 Mars, The Moon, and Space Solar Power Nicole addresses the potential for space-based solar power, highlighting its significant cost but comparing it to other large global expenditures. She concludes by expressing her optimism about humans landing on Mars within the next 30-50 years, with the Moon serving as a crucial steppingstone for this ambitious journey. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/38127285

Back to School Edition 09/03/2025

Marcy Syms on Her New Book and “Not Letting the Bad Guys Win” 08/27/2025

Marcy Syms on Her New Book and “Not Letting the Bad Guys Win” Marcy Syms has led a remarkable life, full of triumphs and tragedies. Through a discussion of her new book, host Bill Burke and Marcy cover subjects ranging from Marcy’s upbringing, to overcoming bigotry and bullying in high school, to running her father’s company and keeping it on track through the loss of two of her siblings. Chapters: 00:00 Introduction & Leading with Respect Bill Burke introduces Marcy Syms, CEO of The Syms Corporation, and her upcoming book “Leading with Respect.” Marcy discusses her father’s motto “Don’t let the bad guys win” and how it relates to being prepared and ensuring both sides of an encounter feel respected. 04:18 Customer Respect & Grandmother’s Influence Marcy explains how her father’s tagline “an educated consumer is our best customer” was foundational to their company’s success and built on respect for the customer. She also shares the significant influence of her Romanian immigrant grandmother, who instilled in her the importance of financial independence for young women. 09:12 Overcoming Antisemitism Marcy recounts the overt antisemitism her family faced after moving to Westchester County, detailing the anxiety and fear it caused. She explains how she decided to ‘tough it out’ like a job, overcompensating for the prejudice and becoming a rebel to challenge stereotypes. 13:47 Trailblazing & Joining the Family Business Marcy discusses how she, as a 12-year-old, trailblazed by pushing for a Bat Mitzvah in her Conservative synagogue, which didn’t traditionally hold them. She also explains her path to joining her father’s business after being fired from her broadcasting job, finding excitement and fulfillment in the entrepreneurial world. 19:05 Business Innovation & Personal Resilience Marcy describes the unique “automatic markdown price tag” marketing strategy that differentiated Syms stores, despite not being a profit center. She then discusses the immense personal resilience required to lead the company as CEO while simultaneously dealing with the tragic loss of her brother and sister within a year. 27:43 Courage, Values, and Philanthropy Marcy emphasizes the importance of courage, even in small acts, and how it’s linked to personal values. She reveals her strong aversion to bullies, a trait honed by her past experiences, and how her father’s philanthropic vision led to the establishment of the Sy Syms Foundation. 33:25 Impactful Philanthropic Initiatives Marcy details the foundation’s unique philanthropic approach, supporting organizations like PEN America, the American Heart Association’s “Go Red” campaign for women’s heart health, and the Tannenbaum Foundation’s anti-bullying initiatives. She also highlights their commitment to investigative journalism through NPR and scientific research at institutions like the Weissman Institute. 41:34 Lifelong Learning & Hot Water Strength Marcy reflects on the Eleanor Roosevelt quote, “A woman is like a tea bag; you don’t know her strength until she gets into hot water,” acknowledging her own life’s challenges. She passionately advocates for lifelong learning as a key to longevity and a fulfilling life, drawing parallels to Jewish cultural inquisitiveness and the entrepreneurial spirit. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37862185

Mike Goodwin on the Power of Humor and “The Comedian’s Mindset” 08/20/2025

Mike Goodwin on the Power of Humor and “The Comedian’s Mindset” Mike Goodwin grew up with a difficult and volatile father. As a child, he decided that one way he could help his mom would be to help make her laugh. He soon realized he had a talent for humor, but it wasn’t until after time in the US Army and a career in higher education that Mike made comedy his career. Host Bill Burke and Mike Goodwin share a lot of laughs and life lessons in this fun episode of Blue Sky. Chapters: 02:27 Meet Mike Goodwin Bill introduces Mike Goodwin, a comedian, humor coach, and keynote speaker known for his clean comedy style. Mike shares his background, including his upbringing in South Carolina and his journey through comedy. 03:06 Comedy as a Coping Mechanism Mike discusses his challenging childhood and how he used humor to cope with family dysfunction. He reflects on the role laughter played in his early life and its therapeutic benefits. 06:07 Military Life and Humor Mike shares his experience in the Army and how his sense of humor both helped and got him into trouble. He recounts funny moments during basic training and the importance of camaraderie. 10:00 From Educator to Comedian Transitioning from a career in education, Mike talks about his time as a college counselor and how he began pursuing comedy. He reflects on the blend of humor and education in his past roles. 12:45 The Start of Stand-Up Comedy Mike reveals how he began his stand-up career in an unexpected venue: his church. He shares the pivotal moment that led him to perform on stage and embrace his comedic talent. 14:34 The Art of Clean Comedy Mike explains his choice to avoid blue humor and the challenges it presents. He likens performing clean comedy to running a marathon with added difficulty, emphasizing authenticity in his style. 18:30 Navigating Sensitive Topics Mike discusses how he tackles sensitive subjects in his comedy, aiming for honesty and surprise. He shares insights on how to engage diverse audiences while maintaining a positive message. 25:50 Laughter in Leadership Shifting gears, Mike talks about his work in corporate speaking and how he combines humor with leadership themes. He shares the evolution of his keynote presentations and the importance of engaging his audience. 30:01 The Balance of Content and Comedy Mike discusses the importance of blending strong content with humor in professional settings, emphasizing how a refreshing approach can enhance the overall experience for audiences. 31:43 Laughter as a Leadership Tool The conversation delves into the relationship between humor and leadership, highlighting how authenticity and appropriate humor can foster better connections in the workplace. Mike explains the pitfalls of trying to be funny without establishing rapport first. 34:09 Humor in Everyday Interactions Mike shares anecdotes about using humor in everyday situations, such as hotel check-ins, to break the ice and alleviate tension. He emphasizes that humor doesn’t have to be stand-up level; simple, relatable interactions can make a significant impact. 36:01 The Hard Work Behind Humor The discussion shifts to the dedication required to master humor, with Mike referencing comedians like Jerry Seinfeld and Kevin Hart who put in years of effort to hone their craft. He stresses that achieving comedic success is not as effortless as it may seem. 39:42 The Comedian’s Mindset Mike introduces the ABC method of the comedian’s mindset, which involves being aware, breathing, and being curious in challenging situations. 46:36 Pursuing Happiness and Positivity In the concluding segment, Mike reflects on the importance of actively pursuing happiness and spreading positivity in society. He shares his mission to leave people better than he found them and encourages listeners to embrace optimism. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37817205

Kristine Michie on Stirring Up Impactful Change Through Joy and Optimism 08/13/2025

Kristine Michie on Stirring Up Impactful Change Through Joy and Optimism In this Blue Sky conversation, Kristine Michie describes her path to a career marked by sparking joy in people and organizations to facilitate positive and impactful change. Earlier this year, she hosted Bill Burke on her and with this episode, the tables are turned and the result is a fun, inspiring conversation on the power of fun, joy, and optimism. Chapters: 02:05 Meet Kristine Michie Kristine Michie, founder of Impactfull, Inc. and host of the PlayFull podcast, joins Bill to discuss her journey and the importance of joy in making a difference. They delve into Kristine’s background and her unique approach to change-making. 04:00 Stirring It Up: Kristine’s Early Activism Kristine shares her early experiences in activism, starting from her first political campaign at the age of four. She reflects on how her family influenced her commitment to social justice and making a difference. 08:29 From Journalism to Philanthropy Kristine recounts her transition from journalism to the nonprofit sector, highlighting her disillusionment with traditional politics and her desire to make a meaningful impact. She discusses her journey into grant writing and philanthropy. 10:34 The Power of Joy in Change-Making Kristine explains how her focus has shifted towards incorporating joy and play into serious work. She discusses her podcast and retreats that emphasize the importance of joy in fostering effective change. 16:00 Integrating Joy into Nonprofit Work Bill and Kristine explore the skepticism some organizations may have towards integrating joy into their work. They discuss how shared laughter and play can enhance productivity and create a positive work environment. 20:38 Redefining Productivity and Community Kristine shares insights on redefining productivity and the importance of community-building over traditional metrics. She emphasizes the value of joy and connection in achieving meaningful outcomes. 24:03 Innovative Retreats and Team Building Kristine describes her unique approach to retreats and team-building exercises, incorporating creative activities like typewriting and cooking classes. She illustrates how these experiences foster collaboration and innovation. 30:03 Imagining the Unimaginable Kristine and Bill delve into the importance of imagination in activism, discussing generational differences in receptivity to change. They explore how joy and play can break down barriers and foster collaboration across age groups. 32:15 The PlayFull Podcast Journey Kristine shares her journey into podcasting, highlighting her background in journalism and her desire to create meaningful conversations. She reflects on the ease of starting a podcast compared to publishing a book and the excitement of connecting with new voices. 36:01 Finding Inspiring Voices The conversation shifts to how Kristine sources guests for her podcast, emphasizing the abundance of good people working to make a difference. They discuss the joy of discovering new stories and the interconnectedness of those in the social sector. 40:12 Looking Ahead: New Ventures Kristine outlines her upcoming projects, including a new camp for nonprofit leaders and her aspirations for future books. The discussion reflects her commitment to uplifting others and the joy she finds in her work. 43:39 A Sweet Conclusion As the episode wraps up, the host expresses gratitude for Kristine’s insights and the playful nature of her podcast. They share a light-hearted moment talking about ice cream, reinforcing the theme of joy in their conversation. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37774125

Curiosity + Resilience: A Formula for Optimism 08/06/2025

Niren Chaudhary Reflects on Rebounding From Grief and His Successful Career Leading With Gratitude and Love 07/30/2025

Niren Chaudhary Reflects on Rebounding From Grief and His Successful Career Leading With Gratitude and Love Niren Chaudhary has led a remarkable life while overcoming intense personal tragedies. He describes his success in running global business as stemming from a foundational belief in putting his employees first and leading them with love, gratitude, and respect. Chapters: 01:36 Meet Niren Chaudhary Niren Chaudhary, a visionary leader and CEO, shares his impressive career journey, highlighting his roles at Panera Bread and Yum! Brands. 04:04 The Power of People in Business Niren reflects on the significance of gratitude and treating employees well, emphasizing that a positive work culture leads to better customer experiences. 09:02 Balancing Work and Family Niren discusses the challenges of managing global responsibilities while remaining committed to his family, sharing insights on leadership as a privilege. 12:00 Navigating Personal Tragedies The conversation shifts to Niren’s personal life, where he opens up about the loss of his daughters and the impact of grief on his journey. 23:03 Finding Hope After Loss Niren shares how he transformed his grief into personal growth, emphasizing the importance of self-love, acceptance, and hope in overcoming hardship. 26:36 Aisha’s Legacy Niren honors his daughter Aisha’s remarkable life, discussing her courage and values that continue to inspire him and shape his outlook on life. 30:01 The Lens of Gratitude Niren shares how viewing life through gratitude enriches our experiences and reflects on Aisha’s wisdom about the importance of generosity and fulfillment. He highlights the profound impact of her words, emphasizing that even hardships can lead to deeper appreciation. 32:00 Aisha’s Lasting Impact Reflecting on Aisha’s life, Niren discusses the lessons learned from her limited time and how her legacy inspires him to embrace life fully. He reveals how her perspective on enjoying life despite challenges continues to shape his journey. 33:12 Exploring New Horizons As Niren transitions from corporate life, he outlines his current endeavors aimed at unlocking human potential through coaching, academics, and writing. He shares his excitement for teaching at Harvard and the importance of inspiring future leaders. 36:06 Writing for Change Niren discusses his motivation behind writing two new books focused on resilience and leadership, aiming to inspire those he hasn’t met. He emphasizes the importance of sharing life lessons to help others navigate their own challenges. 39:03 The Power of Self-Talk In this segment, Niren introduces the themes of his books, particularly the significance of self-talk and resilience in shaping our responses to life’s challenges. He encourages listeners to cultivate a positive inner dialogue to foster personal growth. 41:00 Mastering Time and Focus Niren shares his daily routines and time management strategies that allow him to balance multiple projects while maintaining focus. He emphasizes the importance of engaging in activities that bring joy and energy, avoiding distractions that drain productivity. 46:04 Habits for Life’s Marathon Niren concludes with powerful insights on the importance of curiosity and resilience as key habits for navigating life’s challenges. He encourages listeners to embrace learning and commit to their goals, even when faced with obstacles. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37506565

Heidi Johnson on Loss, Grief, and the Transformative Power of Giving 07/23/2025

Heidi Johnson on Loss, Grief, and the Transformative Power of Giving Heidi Johnson was in a great spot in life. She had a great family, good job, all she could reasonably ask for. But when her mother was killed in a shocking accident, that all changed. After suffering from intense grief, Heidi’s life changed when she was asked to start a new initiative at her local children’s hospital. This led her to create and lead her own nonprofit and to a life today of service and also shining a light on other nonprofit leaders, through both a book and hosting her podcast, Charity Matters. Chapters: 00:30 Heidi Johnson’s Journey Begins Heidi Johnson shares her life story, detailing her upbringing in a large Irish Catholic family and the unexpected tragedy that altered her life’s path, leading her to a deeper exploration of grief and purpose. 04:11 The Tragic Accident Heidi recounts the harrowing details of her parents’ vacation in Costa Rica, where a devastating accident claimed her mother’s life and left her father in a coma, profoundly impacting her family and her outlook on life. 07:29 The Revelation of Grief Heidi reflects on how her grief revealed her inner strength and fueled her desire to help others, transforming her pain into a powerful catalyst for change in her life. 10:34 A Call for Help A pivotal moment arises when a priest at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles, reaches out to Heidi for assistance in establishing a nonprofit to provide emotional support to families, marking the beginning of her new mission. 12:56 Establishing the Nonprofit Heidi discusses the formation of the Spiritual Care Guild, detailing the challenges and triumphs of starting a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing chaplains for families in need at the hospital. 17:28 The Impact of Service Through her work at the Children’s Hospital, Heidi discovers the profound personal health benefits of service, illustrating how helping others can lead to healing and meaning in one’s own life. 18:14 The Birth of Charity Matters Heidi shares the inspiration behind her blog and podcast, Charity Matters, which highlights the stories of nonprofit founders and the impact of their work, showcasing the entrepreneurial spirit in the nonprofit sector. 23:24 Lessons from Nonprofit Founders In this segment, Heidi reflects on the commonalities she has observed among nonprofit founders, emphasizing their resilience, optimism, and the transformative power of personal experiences that drive their missions. 27:38 Finding Growth in Loss Heidi articulates her belief that loss can lead to personal growth, sharing insights on how adversity can pave the way for new beginnings and a deeper understanding of purpose. 31:47 The Journey from Corporate to Nonprofit Heidi reflects on her transition from a successful corporate career to running a nonprofit, sharing the challenges and rewards of this significant life change. 35:41 Igniting Passion in Others Heidi shares insights on the importance of building community as a nonprofit founder and the necessity of igniting passion in others to join the cause. She emphasizes the contagious nature of enthusiasm and how it helps in forming a supportive network. 38:08 Philanthropy in America The conversation shifts to the philanthropic spirit of Americans, with Heidi noting that a significant percentage of the population volunteers. She discusses the importance of focusing on local communities and how small acts of kindness can create a ripple effect. 40:07 The Good in the World Heidi and Bill conclude with a discussion about the prevalence of good deeds happening around the world, countering the negativity often portrayed in the media. They celebrate the resilience and positivity that nonprofit work embodies, encouraging listeners to contribute to their communities. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37440385

Wounded Warrior Tom Deierlein’s Remarkable Story of Grit, Resilience, Service, and Optimism 07/16/2025

Wounded Warrior Tom Deierlein’s Remarkable Story of Grit, Resilience, Service, and Optimism As a West Point graduate who had completed his required service, Tom Deierlein was well into a successful career in digital advertising when he was called up once again to serve in Operation Iraqi Freedom. There, while working to help struggling Iraqi families meet their basic needs, a sniper’s bullet would change his life’s trajectory. In this Blue Sky conversation, Tom shares his remarkable life story, on that is marked by inspiring grit, resilience, service, and optimism. Chapters: 02:11 Tom Deierlein’s Background Tom Deierlein shares insights about his upbringing as the eighth of nine children and his early influences that led him to West Point. He reflects on the values instilled by his parents and his initial motivations for joining the military. 05:24 Military Service and Leadership Development Tom discusses his military training and the leadership development he experienced during his service, emphasizing the structured professional growth within the Army. He explains his transition from active duty to civilian life and the decisions that led him to the reserves. 08:45 Return to Service and Civil Affairs After a 12-year hiatus, Tom is called back to active duty and deployed to Iraq, where he serves in civil affairs. 12:31 Humanitarian Efforts in Iraq Tom recounts his experiences providing aid to local children and families in Iraq, driven by the dire conditions he witnessed. He shares how he mobilized support from friends and colleagues back home to send supplies and assistance. 16:47 Life-Changing Injury Tom shares the harrowing details of being shot by a sniper in Iraq, describing the severity of his injuries and the immediate medical response he received. He highlights the critical moments that followed and his journey to recovery. 22:41 The Birth of the TD Foundation While recovering at Walter Reed, Tom’s friends and supporters continue to fundraise for his humanitarian efforts, leading to the establishment of the TD Foundation. He explains the foundation’s mission to support children of wounded warriors and families in crisis. 25:51 Resilience and Recovery Tom reflects on his emotional journey during recovery, including moments of doubt and the importance of maintaining a positive attitude. He discusses the role he played in supporting other wounded veterans and the lessons learned from his experiences. 30:06 The Growth of the TD Foundation Tom Deierlein shares the evolution of the TD Foundation, highlighting its mission to support families of wounded warriors and fallen heroes. 36:09 Navigating Challenges with Gratitude In this chapter, Tom reflects on the importance of gratitude in overcoming life’s challenges, drawing inspiration from his personal journey. He emphasizes how the TD Foundation’s quick response to urgent needs helps families regain hope. 37:15 Entrepreneurial Spirit: Thundercat Technology Transitioning to his entrepreneurial journey, Tom introduces Thundercat Technology, a company he founded that focuses on data center technology and government contracts. He discusses the company’s growth and its mission to enhance national security. 41:40 The Role of Optimism and Grit in Business Tom elaborates on the significance of optimism and grit in entrepreneurship, sharing his pragmatic approach to goal-setting and resilience. He explains how these qualities have shaped his leadership style and the culture at Thundercat. 49:02 A Journey of Growth and Inspiration Wrapping up the conversation, Tom reflects on the importance of maintaining a positive outlook despite life’s inevitable challenges. He encourages listeners to embrace optimism and resilience as essential tools for personal and professional growth. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37237580

Jodie Jackson on How to Manage Our News Consumption to Preserve Our Mental Health and Well-Being 07/09/2025

Jodie Jackson on How to Manage Our News Consumption to Preserve Our Mental Health and Well-Being Many years ago, Jodie Jackson found herself in a deep depression. As she worked to identify the causes her deteriorating mental health, she realized it had a lot to do with her excessive and indiscriminate consumption of news and information. In the years since, she’s become a recognized expert on media literacy and a passionate advocate for understanding and managing our intake of news to protect our mental health. Chapters: 01:12 Introducing Jodi Jackson Jodie Jackson, an expert in the psychological impact of news on mental health, shares her background and the motivation behind her work in constructive journalism. 02:27 The Personal Journey to Understanding News Impact Jodie recounts her personal experience with anxiety and panic attacks, linking them to her news consumption, and how she sought out positive stories to shift her perspective. 05:39 Understanding Negativity Bias The conversation shifts to the concept of negativity bias, exploring how media exploits our natural inclination towards negative news and its effects on our perception of reality. 10:15 Historical Context and Perspective Jodie and Bill discuss the importance of historical context in understanding current events, emphasizing that our perception of the present can often be skewed by the news. 13:01 The Power of Positive News Jodie highlights the transformative power of focusing on positive news, drawing parallels between news consumption and dietary habits for mental health. 14:29 Exploring Cognitive Biases The discussion delves into cognitive biases like availability bias and confirmation bias, illustrating how they shape our beliefs and perceptions based on the information we consume. 20:15 The Role of Media Algorithms Jodie explains how modern media algorithms reinforce our biases by curating content that aligns with our existing beliefs, making it crucial to be aware of our media consumption habits. 25:31 Staying Informed Without Overwhelm Addressing concerns about staying informed, Jodie offers strategies to consume news mindfully, balancing negative and positive content to foster resilience. 30:00 The Importance of Staying Informed Jodie emphasizes the need to stay informed while maintaining mental resilience against negative news. 31:20 Batching News Consumption The discussion shifts to effective news consumption strategies, distinguishing between ‘just in time’ and ‘just in case’ information. Jodie advises focusing on relevant news that one can take action on, rather than overwhelming oneself with constant updates. 33:44 Navigating Information Overload Jodie shares insights on balancing positive and negative news, highlighting the dangers of excessive exposure to distressing events. She encourages listeners to engage with news that resonates with their interests and values. 36:00 Understanding News in the Digital Age The conversation explores how today’s youth consume news differently, primarily through social media, and the challenges this presents in discerning credible information. 39:10 The Role of Parents in Media Literacy Jodie discusses the crucial role parents play in modeling healthy news consumption behaviors for their children. 42:25 Mastering Your Mind Jodie introduces her ‘Master Your Mind’ program, designed to help individuals train their brains for better emotional regulation and resilience. She explains how this program empowers participants to create a positive mindset intentionally. 46:30 Closing Thoughts and Resources In the final segment, Jodie reiterates the importance of viewing news as an invitation to knowledge rather than complete understanding. She encourages listeners to explore her resources, including her TED Talk and the ‘Master Your Mind’ course. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37161780

4th of July Edition and Reflections on American Optimism 07/02/2025

Nichole Argo on Her Remarkable Work as a Community Builder 06/25/2025

Nichole Argo on Her Remarkable Work as a Community Builder Nichole Argo describes the work she’s doing to bring communities together by assembling people with different viewpoints around one table to discuss their challenges and formulate solutions. After great success in her hometown, she’s now pursuing similar models across the country, and she’s optimistic that combining a growing desire for belonging with proven methods for building community will yield positive results. Links: Chapters: 01:11 Meet Nichole Argo Bill introduces Nichole Argo, a social psychologist and founder of the Togetherup Institute, highlighting her impressive background and her work in promoting belonging and community resilience. 02:30 Understanding Social Psychology Nichole explains the essence of social psychology, discussing how it examines social identities and group behaviors, and shares her journey from studying conflict to fostering cooperation. 04:11 Navigating Conflict The conversation delves into Nichole’s personal comfort with conflict, exploring how understanding and managing internal conflicts can lead to more productive discussions in various settings. 06:02 The Challenge of Online Conflict Bill and Nichole discuss the rise of online conflict and the societal tendency to engage in arguments, emphasizing the importance of recognizing when to step back from disputes. 08:39 Founding TogetherUp Nichole recounts the founding of TogetherUp, driven by a local crisis in her community, and the importance of building relationships across differences to foster belonging. 10:44 The Needham Resilience Network Nicole shares her experience with the Needham Resilience Network, a transformative initiative aimed at bridging divides and fostering collaboration among community members. 14:00 The Power of Local Communities Nichole emphasizes the significance of local communities in practicing democracy and fostering resilience, arguing that local solutions are essential for addressing broader societal challenges. 19:09 Finding Common Ground The conversation explores the idea of identifying shared values and interests among differing groups, illustrating how focusing on commonalities can facilitate better communication and understanding. 22:15 The Importance of Resilience Nichole discusses the necessity of resilience in facing contemporary challenges, stressing that strong communities can better withstand adversities through social cohesion. 23:25 Launching Reimagining Us Nichole introduces her podcast, Reimagining Us, detailing its purpose of exploring how Americans can collaborate across differences and the motivations behind its creation. 27:10 The Beauty of Local Action Bill and Nichole reflect on the abundance of individuals and initiatives working towards positive change at the local level, emphasizing the importance of community engagement and action. 29:10 Influencing Change at the Local Level In this chapter, the conversation explores how individuals can make a significant impact within their local communities, contrasting it with the challenges of influencing larger political structures. 31:05 The Role of Local Media Nichole and Bill delve into the critical role of local media in fostering community engagement and cohesion, especially in the face of declining local news outlets. 33:30 The Double-Edged Sword of Social Media This chapter addresses the paradox of social media, which has the potential to unite and divide communities. 36:14 Reimagining Social Media for Good Nichole highlights emerging platforms that focus on building connections and fostering a sense of belonging. 44:40 Empowering Communities with Resources In the final segment, Nichole shares how TogetherUp is providing tools and resources for communities to foster belonging and engagement. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/37026690

Harry Smith on Life Lessons and His Career in Journalism 06/18/2025

Harry Smith on Life Lessons and His Career in Journalism Over the course of his remarkable career, Harry Smith interviewed six US presidents and numerous celebrities including Julia Roberts, Cher, and Madonna. But on this Blue Sky episode Harry shares that his favorite people to cover were the ones we’ve likely never heard of, the everyday heroes that he describes as the glue of our society. Harry shares some of the wisdom he’s earned and now share bestows on students in the college class he’s teaching at his alma mater. Chapters: 02:16 Meet Harry Smith: A Journalism Legend Bill welcomes Harry Smith, a respected journalist with a rich career spanning over three decades, and reflects on Harry’s journey from humble beginnings to a prominent news anchor. 03:34 From Truck Driver Dreams to Journalism Harry shares his early aspirations of becoming a truck driver and how his upbringing in a blue-collar family shaped his work ethic and eventual path into journalism. 07:01 The Spark of Curiosity Harry discusses how influential teachers ignited his passion for writing and journalism, emphasizing the importance of curiosity in his career development. 11:44 The Importance of Authentic Stories Harry reflects on his preference for interviewing everyday people with extraordinary stories, highlighting the authenticity and richness of their experiences compared to rehearsed celebrity narratives. 15:00 Media and Public Perception The conversation shifts to the current state of media, with Harry discussing the longstanding criticism of news outlets and how public trust has fluctuated over the years. 17:57 Building Trust Through Hard Work Harry shares insights on how building trust in journalism allows for more freedom in storytelling, emphasizing the importance of thoroughness and dedication in his career. 20:04 Curiosity as a Lifelong Skill Harry discusses his teaching on curiosity at Central College, explaining how intrinsic curiosity can lead to greater fulfillment in both professional and personal life. 25:44 Finding Joy in the Everyday Harry emphasizes the importance of mindfulness and being present, sharing how simple observations of nature can enhance one’s appreciation for life. 29:25 The Power of Discipline and Nature Harry discusses the importance of discipline in his writing process and how engaging with nature can uplift one’s spirit. He emphasizes the joy of experiencing the outdoors over succumbing to negativity. 32:10 Teaching the Next Generation Harry reflects on his experience teaching college students and challenges the stereotypes of Generation Z. He shares how his students surprised him with their willingness to engage in hands-on learning and take risks. 36:21 Optimism in Marriage Harry opens up about his marriage with Andrea, contrasting their differing perspectives on optimism. He shares a light-hearted moment that highlights their dynamic and Andrea’s determination in her career. 39:16 Navigating Information Overload As the conversation wraps up, Harry offers advice on managing media consumption and staying informed without becoming overwhelmed. He stresses the importance of balance and turning off the constant stream of news. 42:44 A Class Like No Other The episode concludes with a reflection on Harry’s unique teaching style that incorporates fun and engagement, making learning enjoyable for his students. The host expresses admiration for Harry’s approach and the impact he has on young minds. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/36745760

Some Reasons Why Today Is the Greatest Time to Be Alive 06/04/2025

Mary McManus on Surviving and Thriving After Recovering from Trauma and Polio 05/28/2025

Mary McManus on Surviving and Thriving After Recovering from Trauma and Polio Mary McManus has never had it easy. As a kindergartener, she was a victim of polio just a short time before the vaccine was introduced. She also faced trauma in her home life but somehow managed to persevere and overcome these and still more obstacles throughout her life. Today, Mary is an inspiring author, poet, motivational speaker, and finisher of the Boston Marathon. Chapters: 01:05 Meet Mary McManus Mary McManus is introduced as a remarkable individual with a story of resilience and triumph over adversity. 02:14 Mary’s Early Challenges Mary shares her early life experiences, including her diagnosis of polio at a young age and the impact it had on her family dynamics. Despite her paralysis, she describes a profound spiritual connection that provided her comfort during this challenging time. 08:09 The Road to Recovery Mary recounts her journey through physical therapy and the support she received from dedicated professionals who helped her regain mobility. 12:08 Finding Purpose in College In college, Mary discovers her passion for helping others while working in the counseling center. 16:08 A Career with Veterans Mary shares her experiences working with veterans at the VA, highlighting the challenges they faced upon returning from Vietnam 17:02 The Diagnosis of Post-Polio Syndrome Mary discusses her diagnosis of post-polio syndrome nearly 50 years after her initial polio diagnosis, detailing the physical and emotional challenges she faced. 22:59 Turning Pain into Poetry In a moment of introspection, Mary turns to poetry as a means of healing and self-expression. This creative outlet not only provides relief from her pain but also sparks a new chapter in her life. 24:21 From Poetry to Running Mary shares her transformative journey from writing poetry to setting an ambitious goal of completing the Boston Marathon 29:01 Rebuilding Strength: The Journey Begins Mary shares her initial struggles with physical fitness post-therapy, highlighting her determination to regain strength. With the support of her trainer, she sets ambitious goals, including a desire to run the Boston Marathon. 31:34 The Training Journey: From Walking to Running Mary describes her gradual transition from walking to running, emphasizing the importance of patience and support from family during her training. 35:03 Facing Doubts: The Mental Challenge of Marathon Training As the Boston Marathon approaches, Mary reflects on the mental hurdles she faces, including moments of doubt. However, her unwavering belief in her ability to complete the race, supported by her trainer and family, keeps her focused. 38:10 The Emotional Finish: Crossing the Marathon Line Mary recounts the emotional experience of running the Boston Marathon, including the support from friends and family along the course. She describes the overwhelming joy and healing she felt as she crossed the finish line. 39:57 Life After the Marathon: Trials and Triumphs After the marathon, Mary faces new challenges, including personal loss and health setbacks, yet she remains resilient. 44:33 Resilience Through Adversity: The Power of Poetry and Running Mary discusses her experiences during the pandemic, including health challenges and the therapeutic power of writing poetry. Despite setbacks, she finds motivation to continue running and sets new goals for herself. 46:44 Looking Forward: Embracing New Challenges As Mary reflects on her journey, she emphasizes the importance of resilience and gratitude in overcoming life’s challenges. With plans to run a half marathon again, she inspires others to pursue their goals, regardless of obstacles. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/36592610

Political Scientist and Author Lindsey Cormack Discusses Her Book, "How to Raise a Citizen (And Why It’s Up to You to Do It)" 05/21/2025

Political Scientist and Author Lindsey Cormack Discusses Her Book, "How to Raise a Citizen (And Why It’s Up to You to Do It)" Political division in the United States is an issue often cited as contributing to the pessimistic outlook so many of us have. Blue Sky guest Lindsey Cormack believes that our government will only improve if we begin to understand it better and get involved ourselves. As a college professor, when she found that many of her students were remarkably ignorant about how our government works, she decided to do something about it. The result is her latest book, which challenges parents to fill the void left by elementary and high schools that no longer teach these subjects in the classroom. Learn more about Lindsey's book: https://howtoraiseacitizen.com/ Chapters: 02:33 Meet Lindsey Cormack Bill introduces Lindsey Cormack, a college professor and author, highlighting her background, research, and her mission to improve civics education in America. 04:47 The Importance of Understanding Our Government Lindsey discusses the alarming ignorance among students regarding government and civics, emphasizing the need for reform in how civics is taught in schools. 07:06 Parents as Key Players in Civics Education Lindsey argues that parents play a crucial role in teaching civics, as schools struggle to provide adequate education on the subject due to various systemic challenges. 09:30 Navigating Political Conversations The conversation shifts to the challenges parents face when discussing politics with their children, including fears of misunderstanding and differing political views. 12:25 Engaging with Local Government Lindsey emphasizes the importance of local government in everyday life and encourages listeners to get involved, explaining how local actions can lead to meaningful change. 19:56 The Role of Parents in Political Education The conversation focuses on how parents can normalize political discussions at home, fostering an environment where children feel comfortable exploring political ideas. 22:01 Optimism in Civic Engagement Bill and Lindsey discuss the relationship between optimism and civic engagement, emphasizing that understanding politics can empower individuals to make a difference. 26:04 Historical Context of Political Division The conversation explores historical instances of political division in the U.S., drawing parallels to current events and emphasizing the resilience of democracy. 29:16 The Impact of Smartphones on Society Lindsey reflects on how technology, much like junk food, can be seductive and detrimental to children’s development. 32:50 Creating a Phone-Free Environment Lindsey discusses her approach to managing smartphone use among her daughter’s friends, including implementing a ‘phone graveyard’ at home. 36:01 Empowering Parents The conversation shifts to how parents can become more engaged in their children’s civic education, with Lindsey encouraging them to seek knowledge actively. 40:39 Understanding Political Structures Lindsey emphasizes the value of understanding the political system and encourages parents to explore current events as teaching moments for their children. 41:36 Reflecting on the Role of Technology and History The episode concludes with a reflection on the dual nature of smartphones, acknowledging their benefits while cautioning against their overuse. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/36533150

Sam Pressler on His Passion for Building Community and Connection 05/14/2025

Sam Pressler on His Passion for Building Community and Connection Sam Pressler has a strong track record of bringing people together and working to rebuild the civic infrastructure of the United States. In addition to being a researcher and writer, he is also the founder of the , a collection of projects designed to help people understand how they might go about creating connections in their own towns and civic organizations. Chapters: 02:20 Making Grandmothers Proud Sam shares the inspiration behind his mantra of making his grandmothers proud, discussing the significant influence they had on his life and values, particularly in relation to community and intellectual engagement. 04:30 The Birth of the Armed Services Arts Partnership Sam recounts the inception of the Armed Services Arts Partnership, detailing how his passion for humor and service led to the creation of a stand-up comedy class for veterans, which blossomed into a national nonprofit. 08:02 The Impact of the Armed Services Arts Partnership Reflecting on the success of the Armed Services Arts Partnership, Sam discusses its growth and ongoing mission to connect veterans with the arts, fostering community and purpose in their lives. 14:44 Exploring Community and Connection Sam reflects on his academic journey at Harvard, where he delved into themes of community, spirituality, and the importance of reconnecting people to the commitments that give life meaning. 15:45 The Challenge of Rebuilding Civic Life Discussing the generational work needed to address the decline of community, Sam emphasizes the importance of cultural and structural change in rebuilding civic life and fostering connections. 19:08 Rethinking Technology’s Role Sam and Bill engage in a conversation about the impact of technology on community engagement, exploring how to repurpose digital tools to foster connection rather than isolation. 25:07 Collective Action for Change As they discuss the lingering effects of the pandemic, Sam highlights the potential for collective action to reshape community engagement and emphasizes the need for a cultural shift towards in-person connections. 32:20 The Isolation of Remote Work Sam discusses the isolating nature of remote work and its impact on social connections, particularly for younger individuals who rely on workplace relationships for friendship.. 34:32 Government’s Role in Community Building Transitioning to policy discussions, Sam introduces his comprehensive 182-page framework aimed at enhancing government involvement in fostering community connections. 37:10 Creating Pathways for Young Adults Sam highlights the critical period of adult transition and the lack of structured pathways for those not attending college. 41:13 Micro Grants for Community Interaction In this chapter, Sam shares examples of successful community initiatives, such as micro grants for block parties and neighborhood dinners, that encourage social interaction. 44:00 The Shift Towards Community Engagement The conversation shifts to the importance of viewing residents as community members rather than clients, with suggestions for local governments to enhance engagement. 46:24 From Individualism to Community Sam reflects on the cultural shift from individualism towards a more communal mindset, emphasizing the need for social connections that foster a sense of belonging. The chapter concludes with a discussion on the importance of feeling needed within a community. 50:01 Connective Tissue: A Newsletter for Community Insights Wrapping up the episode, Sam introduces his ‘Connective Tissue’ newsletter, which shares insights and practical ideas for community building. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/36454840

Reflections on the Role of Mentors and Teachers in a Life of Optimism 05/07/2025

A Special Blue Sky Presentation of the “Arts Educators Save the World” Podcast with Erica Halverson, Featuring Jonathan Groff 04/30/2025

A Special Blue Sky Presentation of the “Arts Educators Save the World” Podcast with Erica Halverson, Featuring Jonathan Groff In this very special “feed swap” edition, Blue Sky Alum Erica Halverson interviews award-winning Jonathan Groff and his inspirational elementary school music teacher, Linda Tough, on the “Arts Educators Save the World” podcast. Learn more about Erica's podcast here: Chapters: 00:00 Welcome to the Feed Swap In this special edition of the Blue Sky podcast, the host introduces the concept of a Feed Swap with Erica Halverson and highlights the upcoming conversation with Jonathan Groff, a celebrated actor known for his roles in Broadway and film. 01:16 The Power of Teaching The conversation begins with a reflection on the duality of teaching, emphasizing the balance between challenge and joy, and how these elements contribute to personal growth in education. 02:02 Introducing Jonathan Groff and Linda Tuff Erica Halvorson introduces Jonathan Groff and his former music teacher, Linda Tough, detailing their impressive careers and the significant impact Linda had on Jonathan’s education and passion for music. 05:00 First Memories of Collaboration Jonathan and Linda reminisce about their first interactions in the fourth grade, highlighting memorable moments that laid the foundation for their strong teacher-student relationship. 12:11 Fostering a Love of Learning The discussion turns to the importance of fostering a love for learning, with Jonathan reflecting on how Linda’s teaching style inspired his passion for music and education, and Linda sharing her philosophy on creating a joyful classroom environment. 21:20 The Art of Teaching and Preparation Linda discusses her teaching philosophy, focusing on the balance between high expectations and creating a supportive environment, while also exploring the importance of preparation and performance in teaching and life. 35:09 Finding Joy and Building Trust This chapter focuses on the relationship between difficulty and joy in learning, emphasizing the significance of creating a supportive environment, building trust between teachers and students, and embracing discomfort as part of growth. 47:15 The Lasting Impact of Mentorship The discussion reflects on the enduring relationships formed between mentors and mentees beyond the classroom, sharing personal stories about how these connections continue to influence their lives and careers. 55:00 Advocating for the Arts in Education This chapter focuses on the critical role of arts education in schools and the ongoing fight to preserve these programs, urging listeners to support arts education for fostering human connection and creativity. 58:35 Reflecting on the Power of Arts Education In the closing chapter, the speakers summarize key takeaways from their conversation, emphasizing the transformative power of arts education in shaping lives and the importance of high expectations. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/36244380

Historian and Author Martin Gutmann Discusses Optimism, History, and His Appreciation for “Unseen Leaders” 04/23/2025

Historian and Author Martin Gutmann Discusses Optimism, History, and His Appreciation for “Unseen Leaders” Martin Gutmann is an expert on the history of business and has written extensively about styles of past leaders. In this episode, he shares his thoughts on everything from today’s political climate, to whether he thinks Ernest Shackleton is overrated (spoiler alert – he does), to the underrated excellence of less well-known figures in history. Chapters: 02:27 Meet Martin Gutmann Bill welcomes Martin Gutmann to the podcast, exploring his diverse background and extensive experience in various countries. Martin shares how his journey has shaped his understanding of different cultures and leadership. 04:24 The Role of History in Leadership Martin discusses how historical insights can inform contemporary challenges, particularly in leadership and management. He emphasizes the necessity of understanding history to navigate present issues effectively. 07:06 Lessons from the Past The conversation shifts to how past solutions have created today’s problems, with Martin referencing the Industrial Revolution and its consequences. He highlights the importance of learning from history to find modern solutions. 10:11 The Optimism of Youth Bill and Martin reflect on the idealism of younger generations regarding climate change and sustainability. They discuss how engaging with young people can inspire hope for the future. 14:02 The Qualities of Great Leaders Martin shares insights on the characteristics of effective leaders, emphasizing their ability to envision possibilities that others cannot see. He contrasts this with the qualities of less favorable leaders. 16:11 Reevaluating Historical Figures The discussion turns to notable historical figures, with Martin expressing a preference for lesser-known leaders who have made significant impacts. He critiques the common narratives surrounding famous leaders like Thomas Jefferson. 20:04 Unseen Leaders and Their Impact Martin elaborates on the contributions of unseen leaders, using the example of Vasily Archipov during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He illustrates how individual actions can alter the course of history. 27:01 Churchill: The Crisis Manager Explore Winston Churchill’s complex legacy as a leader during World War II, where he was thrust into a crisis not of his making. This chapter delves into the nuances of his leadership style, contrasting crisis management with the ability to foresee and avoid crises. 35:12 The Unseen Leader: Shackleton vs. Amundsen Martin Gutmann discusses the concept of the ‘unseen leader’ through the lens of explorers Shackleton and Amundsen. While Shackleton’s dramatic story captivates audiences, Amundsen’s meticulous planning and authentic leadership provide deeper lessons in effective leadership. 42:55 The Challenge of Leadership in Media In this chapter, the conversation shifts to the media’s portrayal of leadership, emphasizing how crises and scandals often overshadow the quiet, effective leaders. Martin and Bill reflect on the disparity between public admiration for dramatic leaders versus those who exemplify humility and competence. 46:26 A Global Perspective on Leadership Martin shares his insights on the political climate in Europe and how it resonates with the current events in the U.S. He discusses the resilience of democratic institutions and the importance of good leadership amidst rising concerns about political extremism. 50:01 Optimism in the Next Generation Ending on a hopeful note, Martin reflects on the optimism he sees in younger generations, highlighting their ability to dream big without the constraints of cynicism. This chapter underscores the importance of nurturing this optimism as a counterbalance to the challenges faced in today’s world. /episode/index/show/013f3aca-0bc6-43a4-b9b5-fedfec2d5acb/id/36219930