Lights Out: Technology and Automation Podcast by MakingChips

Inspiring and teaching Manufacturing Leaders in the areas of automation.

Is Coaching the Key to Lights-Out Success? Ep #16 04/25/2025

Is Coaching the Key to Lights-Out Success? Ep #16 What happens when cutting-edge CAM automation meets boots-on-the-ground manufacturing know-how? You get an eye-opening conversation that will challenge the way you think about the future of your shop—and your role in it. In this episode of Lights Out, we sit down with David Vuyk, a guy who’s walked every inch of the shop floor and now finds himself at the forefront of digital manufacturing transformation with CloudNC. But don’t expect a tech sales pitch—this is a candid, no-holds-barred look at the human side of automation and why real success hinges on more than just software. If you’ve ever felt the tension between adopting new technology and keeping your team engaged, this episode is for you. David shares his journey from mechanical designer, to job shop operator, to now driving customer success for bleeding-edge CAM automation. Along the way, he tackles the tough questions: What happens when programmers fear being replaced? How do you overcome resistance from the shop floor? And why is customer success just as important—if not more—than sales when it comes to scaling disruptive tech? But this isn’t just about change management—it’s about reimagining what your people can achieve when they're empowered, not threatened, by automation. We dive deep into the mindset shifts that shop owners and frontline leaders need to make to truly go Lights Out. Plus, they reveal why failing to engage your team can lead to churn, wasted tech investments, and missed opportunities for growth. Whether you’re a shop owner, an operations leader, or just someone who wants to future-proof your manufacturing business, you’ll leave this episode with a fresh perspective on how to turn resistance into results. The message is clear: if you can run lights out, you must run lights out—and it all starts with making your people the heroes of your automation journey. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (0:47) Why you need to complete the Top Shops benchmarking survey (2:30) David Vuyk’s journey from mechanical design to CNC machining to tech solutions (10:31) Navigating resistance on the shop floor and managing change (13:03) Engaging frontline workers and leadership for tech adoption (14:53) Dave’s role at CloudNC and how he works with decision-makers (18:45) Elevating employees through automation, not replacing them (22:27) The CloudNC phased approach to customer success (25:04) Grow your top and bottom line with CLA (26:57) The StoryBrand framework: Communicating your company’s true value (34:17) Thinking beyond your product: Coaching customers for long-term lights-out success (38:42) Solving constraints beyond your offering (tools, processes, mindsets) (41:23) The responsibility of software teams to simplify adoption (42:16) Our final takeaways from the conversation (51:37) Check out the Machine Shop Mastery podcast! Resources & People Mentioned Grow your top and bottom-line with Take the Connect with David Vuyk Connect on Connect With Lights Out Subscribe to Lights Out On and /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/36310635

The Quiet Cut That's Loudly Threatening Small Manufacturing 04/19/2025

The Juice-to-Squeeze Ratio: Why Time Freedom Isn’t Optional for Shop Owners, Ep #15 04/11/2025

The Juice-to-Squeeze Ratio: Why Time Freedom Isn’t Optional for Shop Owners, Ep #15 What if the real sign of a thriving machine shop isn’t how hard the lights are on—but how confidently you can turn them off? In this episode of Lights Out, we sit back down with Ryan Bankel of Imago Manufacturing to get into the guts of how a high-performing shop can run with minimal human presence and still crank out quality parts. This isn't about overnight success—it’s about obsessing, intelligently and intentionally, over what "lights out" actually takes, from tooling considerations to culture, chip control to checklists. Ryan pulls back the curtain on how he reengineered not just his machines but his mindset. He breaks down the daily “Lights Out Checklist” laminated on every machine, the unsexy decisions that fuel unattended machining, and the radical belief that automation isn’t just about more parts—it’s about more life. With bourbon in hand and clarity on tap, we get real about boundaries, freedom, and the juice-to-squeeze ratio that drives modern manufacturing forward. Whether you’re still tied to the spindle or just starting to imagine what your shop could look like without you in it, this episode offers a blueprint for rethinking everything—from how you spend your hours to how you scale your value. Automation isn’t just for the big guys. It’s for anyone ready to lead with intention, accountability, and maybe a little help from Bon Jovi. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (00:00) Bourbon, broken phones, and kicking off part two (00:38) Why you should complete the Modern Machine Shop Top Shops Survey (03:10) Why “lights out” isn’t just for large shops (04:40) The role of positive constraints in Ryan’s business philosophy (08:09) Designing schedules for freedom—not burnout (11:55) Trust and autonomy: the cultural foundation of unattended machining (13:42) The case for decoupling the owner from the day-to-day (15:51) Live tooling, bar feeders, and why Okuma gets the job done (20:05) The Imago Manufacturing Daily Lights Out Checklist (21:38) The must-run-unattended mindset and its ripple effect (25:44) Ryan’s “three-day rule” for qualifying lights-out jobs (30:33) Real-world risks: scrap, tool failure, and power loss (33:48) Chip control, part ejection, and machine limitations (36:57) Checklist development from real pain points (41:27) Defining the juice-to-squeeze ratio and scoring process viability (44:09) How to access the Daily Lights Out Checklist + wrap-up (46:15) Check out the Buy the Numbers podcast! Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Ryan Bankel Connect on Connect With Lights Out Subscribe to Lights Out On and Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/36077530

Automation: The Key to Time Freedom in Machining, Ep #14 03/28/2025

Automation: The Key to Time Freedom in Machining, Ep #14 Have you ever felt like the traditional path of working harder to get ahead isn't the answer? In this episode, Ryan Bankel, founder of Imago Precision Machining, shares the story of how he built his business from the ground up. What started in a garage has grown into a company with a strong focus on sustainability and automation. Ryan talks about how he carefully crafted his shop’s operations to run smoothly, even without him being physically present. His goal? Time freedom—not just for himself, but for his employees, too. As a self-taught machinist, Ryan didn’t follow the traditional path of learning in a formal setting. Instead, he honed his skills on the job, navigating the challenges of running a business while staying true to his vision. He reflects on the tough early years, working long hours to make ends meet and building a company that would eventually allow him the flexibility he always dreamed of. Through trial and error, he developed a model that works for him—a model that combines quality, innovation, and a commitment to time freedom. What stands out about Ryan’s journey is his approach to business growth. Unlike many entrepreneurs who focus on scaling for the sake of growth, Ryan has embraced a model that values sustainability and keeping the business at a manageable size. Ryan’s model prioritizes not just technology and automation, but also a strong shop culture and a sustainable pace of growth, challenging the common belief that bigger is always better. His approach ensures that his shop maintains a strong, close-knit culture, while still embracing modern technologies and automation. Ryan’s story is a powerful example of how success doesn’t have to mean sacrificing your values or your time. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (0:00) Introduction to Ryan Bankel (0:31) Why you need to take the Modern Machine Shop Top Shop Survey (3:38) Our tour of the Imago shop (including the suave bathroom) (6:53) How we connected with Ryan on LinkedIn (12:13) Ryan’s journey into metalworking (21:59) From running a shop to launching Imago (24:42) The significance of Ryan’s decision to keep his shop small (29:30) Bringing in new technology & keeping employees engaged (33:03) What “time freedom” means for Ryan (37:24) Ryan’s evolving vision for his business: What’s next? (39:11) Stay tuned for part 2 to learn how Ryan runs his business lights out (40:57) Why you need to check out the MakingSparks podcast Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Ryan Bankel Connect on Connect With Lights Out Subscribe to Lights Out On and Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/35873365

The AI Revolution: Rethinking Automation with Al Whatmough, Ep #13 02/26/2025

The AI Revolution: Rethinking Automation with Al Whatmough, Ep #13 In this episode of Lights Out, we’re joined by a true innovator in the manufacturing space, Al Whatmough, CEO of Toolpath. Al brings a wealth of experience from his time at Autodesk and his leadership at Toolpath, where he’s driving the next wave of automation in CNC machining. Together, we dive into the revolutionary role that AI is playing in reshaping manufacturing operations, offering fresh perspectives on how automation can enhance productivity and streamline processes on the shop floor. Throughout the conversation, Al unpacks the exciting developments at Toolpath, including their acquisition of Chatter, a key technology that helps shops automate their operations more effectively. He shares his vision for the future of manufacturing, where AI doesn’t just automate processes but actively assists in decision-making, freeing up cognitive load for operators and improving workflow efficiency. We also explore the challenges traditional shops face when integrating new technology and how bridging generational gaps in the workforce is crucial for embracing the full potential of automation. This episode is a must-listen for manufacturing leaders looking to understand how AI and automation can create smarter, more agile operations. Al’s insights into the real-world applications of AI, along with his thoughtful reflections on industry trends, will inspire you to think differently about the tools you use and the systems you have in place. You'll want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (0:00) Chatting about our time at the MFG Meeting 2025 (3:06) Introducing Al Whatmough, CEO of Toolpath (3:40) Bridging the generational divide in manufacturing (6:20) Al's journey from Autodesk to Toolpath and what they aim to achieve (8:37) Building trust in AI and overcoming skepticism from more traditional shops (11:11) The acquisition of Chatter and how it enhances Toolpath’s capabilities (12:39) Why automation should focus on the mundane tasks to free up cognitive load (13:38) The dangers of chasing complex problems rather than solving simple ones (15:52) The importance of understanding customer needs and creating tailored solutions (18:13) The intersection of AI and existing technologies in modern manufacturing (21:24) Rethinking workflows with AI and improving the connection between tools (26:57) Know what you’re good at and learn to do it well (33:22) Reflections on the future of AI and automation in manufacturing Connect with Al Whatmough Connect on Connect With Lights Out Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/35431585

Make the Right Chips, Do the Right Work, Ep #12 02/05/2025

Make the Right Chips, Do the Right Work, Ep #12 Are robots really taking over human jobs, or is it the other way around? In this eye-opening episode of Lights Out, hosts Nick and Kaleb sit down with automation expert Max Falcone to challenge one of the biggest misconceptions in manufacturing: that automation replaces workers. Instead, they argue that too many people are still stuck performing tedious, repetitive tasks that should already be automated—tasks that drain productivity, increase injuries, and contribute to worker burnout. With over 23 years of experience in automation, robotics, and material finishing, Max brings a fresh perspective on how manufacturers can rethink their processes. As Vice President of Sales Engineering at PushCorp, he has helped countless shops integrate automation in ways that make businesses more efficient while creating better jobs for skilled workers. In this episode, you’ll hear why the right technology can help manufacturers maximize their workforce, eliminate bottlenecks, and improve safety—without sacrificing jobs. Plus, we dig into how manufacturers should be approaching automation today, from understanding the difference between passive and active compliance in robotics to identifying the right tasks to automate. If you’re a shop owner, machinist, or anyone in the manufacturing industry looking for ways to optimize operations and stay ahead of the curve, this is an episode you won’t want to miss. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (02:00) Flipping the script: Are humans taking robot jobs? (3:00) Max’s journey into automation and robotics (12:00) The power of PushCorp (and why it matters) (16:33) Passive vs. active compliance in robotic automation (21:40) How automation can improve safety and efficiency in manufacturing (23:41) Why machine shops should rethink deburring and finishing processes (27:37) The importance of hands-on experience in engineering and manufacturing (31:56) Why the industry needs more problem solvers and skilled workers Connect with Max Falcone Connect on Connect With Lights Out Subscribe to Lights Out Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/35161535

The Throughput Mindset: How Automation and Culture Drive Success, Ep #11 01/22/2025

The Throughput Mindset: How Automation and Culture Drive Success, Ep #11 What separates the best shops from the crowd? It’s not just the technology they use—it’s the way they think. The top manufacturing leaders aren’t content with operators who say, ‘I run a mill,’ or ‘She programs machines.’ Instead, they cultivate a culture where everyone is focused on one goal: increasing throughput. By aligning your people, resources, and technology to make your business successful, you build a team where nobody is a cog in the wheel—everyone is part of a powerful engine. For years, many in the industry have seen robotics and automation as unnecessary expenses, asking, ‘Why invest in a $200,000 robot loading cell when I could just add another spindle?’ But what if that mindset is holding your shop back from unlocking its true potential? By automating tasks like workpiece delivery and machine loading, you free your team to focus on high-value work, maximizing throughput and creating a culture of innovation and growth. We’ll also explore what the machine tool dealer of the future looks like, share real-world stories of shops that made the leap into automation, and address common concerns—like how much programming experience your team really needs. Whether you’re looking to inspire your team, adopt cutting-edge technology, or simply break free from outdated mindsets, this episode is packed with actionable advice and fresh perspectives. Tune in now to learn why throughput is more than just a metric—it’s a mindset that can transform your business. You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... (1:54) Get to know Lights Out Co-host Kaleb Mertz (4:16) Max Rothenhausler’s origin story (10:43) The project that Max and Kaleb are spearheading (14:52)The importance of automation to career longevity? (17:04) Why is it easier to work with the end-user instead of the dealer? (20:22) Overcoming the old-school mentality and adopting automation (25:56) How much robotic programming experience do you need? (28:38) What would the machine shop of the future look like? (31:47) How to structure the machine shop of the future (33:41) The industry is lacking machinists (37:30) Take on a new product line—or find partners? (44:58) Your customer will always be your best salesman Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Max Rothenhausler Connect on Connect With Lights Out Subscribe to Lights Out Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/34930465

Business Moves at the Speed of Trust with Wade Anderson, Ep #10 12/11/2024

Business Moves at the Speed of Trust with Wade Anderson, Ep #10 In this episode of Lights Out, Wade Anderson, VP of Engineering and Automation at Okuma delivers a compelling look at how automation is transforming the manufacturing landscape. Along with Steve DeGrasse, the East Coast Regional Sales Director at Hennig, we uncover why tomorrow’s machine tools will require rethinking—like side-door access for robots and integrated pallet delivery systems—and how additive manufacturing and AI will reshape priorities even for small shops aiming to go lights-out. With a trust-first approach, Wade explains how maximizing a customer’s current capabilities builds the foundation for introducing transformative automation solutions. This conversation isn’t just about technology—it’s about people. We explore how sales strategies, compensation plans, and service roles must evolve to meet the demands of an automation-driven world. Fostering collaboration between sales professionals and engineers is critical for success and how the next generation of talent, raised with robotics, will lead the way. Packed with real-world insights and forward-thinking strategies, this episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the future of manufacturing. Don’t miss their candid take on what it takes to build trust and drive innovation in a rapidly changing industry. – Nick You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... Introducing Wade Anderson from Okuma [2:40] Steve’s hilarious IMTS Oyster story [8:11] How do we make machine tools automation friendly? [12:00] Should we adjust compensation plans for salespeople? [25:00] How does service need to evolve with automation? [30:50] Resources & People Mentioned Shop Matters Podcast on Connect with Connect with Wade Anderson Connect on Connect With LightsOut Subscribe to SHOW NAME Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/34364510

Chip and Coolant Management for Machining Automation with Blaser Swisslube and Hennig, Ep #9 11/20/2024

Chip and Coolant Management for Machining Automation with Blaser Swisslube and Hennig, Ep #9 In this episode of Lights Out, we explore how cutting-edge coolant technology is transforming manufacturing by enabling efficiency, stability, and sustainability. Tiffany Bryson and Christopher Porsch of Blaser emphasize the need for a repeatable, reliable process, noting that automation hinges on stable coolant systems. Scott Cooley, with Hennig, explains how tailored solutions address each customer’s specific materials and machining needs, with advanced filtration systems supporting lights-out operations by maintaining a clean, stable environment. Blaser’s approach to coolant as a “liquid tool” highlights its importance beyond mere maintenance—coolant is an essential investment in long-term productivity and profitability. Camoren Schley adds that high-pressure systems enhance heat dissipation and extend tool life, further stabilizing production. This episode dives into how the right coolant technology can solve key challenges, helping manufacturers optimize processes, reduce downtime, and prepare for continuous, efficient production. Don’t miss it! You will want to hear this episode if you are interested in... [1:09] Introducing today’s special guests [3:16] Everyone’s Day #1 IMTS experience [4:11] Manufacturing leader spotlight [9:10] Does technology change how you serve customers? [11:54] Understanding the chemistry of coolant [15:52] How high pressure can solve chip accumulation challenges [18:32] What does the term “liquid tool” mean to Blaser? [21:12] The importance of material compatibility [24:24] Reducing the amount of "sludge" created [28:16] How coolant helps with heat dissipation [31:42] What’s on the horizon for Blaser, Hennig, and Slytek? [37:09] Why foam control is incredibly important Resources & People Mentioned Connect with Connect with Connect with Connect with Connect With LightsOut Subscribe to SHOW NAME Audio Production and Show Notes by - /episode/index/show/8819970d-2c51-481c-b08a-4d2a806885b2/id/34010582