Beyond Billables
beyondbillables.com The Beyond Billables podcast is for anyone seeking inspiration in their career or business. As a Branding agency owner, former lawyer and recruiter I love to share the stories of ambitious professionals and how they built businesses and careers to be proud of.
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Brad Turville - Founder of Turville Advisory
04/17/2024
Brad Turville - Founder of Turville Advisory
Brad Turville is a strategic advisor who works with business owners to better manage, grow and exit their business – something he successfully did himself before showing others how to do the same. Recently, his work has a specific focus on strategic planning and financial management consulting. Brad’s portfolio is impressive, with experience in running workshops and group accountability programs. He can often be found speaking at conferences, strategy days, and virtual events with a focus on profit and cash flow improvement. On today’s episode, we take a look at Brad’s story; growing his own accounting and advisory firm and successfully exciting. He explains key financial issues for professional businesses, strategic decision making, and the importance of implementing the right tools and technology to help run your business.
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Tyrone Dutt - Empire Law
04/09/2024
Tyrone Dutt - Empire Law
Tyrone is an expert in Australian estate planning and wealth protection. He founded firm Empire Law with the goal of helping Australians protect their businesses and secure their wealth so that they may leave a legacy behind for their families. His passion for estate planning and belief that tailored estate planning isn’t exclusively for the rich and famous – but for every Australian – is admirable. Tyrone has a talent for translating complicated and daunting legal jargon into plain language that can be understood, and more importantly, easily related to. Join us for a discussion around the importance of protecting your legacy, growing a business as a solo-preneur, evolving your skills and growing over time, taking advantage of the opportunities given to you and trying to make the most of them
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Andrew Goldstein - General Counsel & Founder of Goldstein Legal
03/14/2024
Andrew Goldstein - General Counsel & Founder of Goldstein Legal
Andrew Goldstein is Managing Director and Founder of Goldstein Legal, a boutique legal practice advising and supporting financial services businesses. Andrew’s legal background includes several years in private practice with mid and top tier firms, and several years a senior in-house practitioner with Macquarie, Challenger, Australian Ethical and Ardea. Now, his focus is on the legal needs of investment managers, platforms and other regulated investors along with their adjacent counterparties and service providers. On the show we had a great discussion about the role of GC's, the financial services industry as a whole and how Andrew has developed a strong business having ventured out on his own.
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Chris Kondou - Virtual CFO
03/05/2024
Chris Kondou - Virtual CFO
Chris Kondou works alongside driven & passionate CEO's to build financial strategies and unlock business growth. He has lend his guiding hand across a wide range of industries, from professional services, to manufacturing & wholesale. Chris has recently embarked on his biggest challenge as founder of his own CFO Advisory firm, finding a new passion for business development & entrepreneurship. On the show, we discuss the importance of challenging ourselves both in business and life, how to build a new business from scratch in your 50's, and even get a peak into Chris’ marathon training and his view on embracing forced discomfort.
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Tim Whybourne - Managing Partner Emanuel Whybourne & Loehr
02/26/2024
Tim Whybourne - Managing Partner Emanuel Whybourne & Loehr
On the show this week, we welcome Tim Whybourne, Managing Partner at Emanuel, Whybourne and Loehr, an investment advisory firm with offices in Sydney and Brisbane. EW&L have also been an ongoing Beyond Billables client for the last eighteen months. On the show we discussed Tim's career, how he and the team have grown EW&L, and the challenges all professional services firms face. We also discussed markets broadly and Tim's strategy Tim has more than 15 years’ experience at the sharp end of financial services and planning. His experience has been garnered from more than a decade in financial services including CommSec, FP Markets, UBS Wealth, and Morgan Stanley. Aside from investments, we also discuss building strong client relationships, and tailoring to high net-worth clients. Obviously, nothing discussed in the show should be taken as financial advice at all and all discussions were general in nature.
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Stefanie Costi - Safe Workplace Advocate and Lawyer
02/18/2024
Stefanie Costi - Safe Workplace Advocate and Lawyer
Stefanie Costi is a speaker, writer and lawyer whose true passion lies in advocating for a safer and more inclusive future of work. After an experience with bullying left Stef with workplace PTSD, she decided to share her story to help make a real difference. Stef has delivered keynotes on workplace bullying, psychological safety at work and mental health at the National Press Club of Australia, the University of Technology, Sydney and Canva. She has also been a guest speaker at The College of Law Australia. In this episode, we discuss navigating workplace bullying, creating a safe workplace for all, and of course reflect on Stef's personal journey.
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Devan King - Founder of Ikigai Wealth
02/07/2024
Devan King - Founder of Ikigai Wealth
In this week's Beyond Billables podcast I sat down with Devan King, founder of Ikigai Wealth. Devan has a fantastic story and shared his insights on business and life over the course of what was a very enjoyable show. Devan has a great philosophy that drives his business which I know will resonate with a lot of our listeners. Devan is a financial planner with over 15 years of industry experience. His career is marked by a significant achievement in building and subsequently exiting a successful wealth management business in South Africa.In 2016, relocating to Australia, and now doing it all again (but even better) with Ikigai Wealth. His extensive experience spans across various facets of the industry; including roles in corporate wealth management entities and boutique firms. This diverse background has equipped him with the skills to cater to a wide range of clients, from high net-worth individuals to ambitious young professionals and business owners. In this episode, we discuss the importance of setting financial goals that will actually make you happy and pay off long term – and how to unlock those kinds of opportunities.
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James d'Apice - Gravamen and Coffee and a Case Note
01/30/2024
James d'Apice - Gravamen and Coffee and a Case Note
On the show this week, we welcomed back the always outstanding James d'Apice, founder of Gravamen, and 'Coffee and a Case Note'. Today, we answer one fundamental question I get a lot - can social media help you grow a real business? For James, the answer is "absolutely"! As one of Australia's most prolific professional services content creators, James has been building a personal brand across social media for the last 5 years, and this ultimately has given him the ability to recently launch his law firm, Gravamen. We discuss his motivations for launching the firm, what he hopes to achieve professionally and personally, and what he has learned in the first 6 months in business. James spills many insights on social media for lawyers, and what he would do if he was starting out in 2024. Aside from business, we also discuss our motivations as parents, trying to create businesses that fit with our family lives, and how the 'juggle' is a constant WIP.
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Claire Styles - Founder of C Legal & Co
12/19/2023
Claire Styles - Founder of C Legal & Co
In this episode of Beyond Billables, Mike engages in a candid conversation with Claire Styles, founder of C Legal and Co. Claire shares her journey of building a successful legal services business over the past two and a half years. The discussion delves into the key elements of her business development strategy, encompassing branding, social media, content creation, and marketing. As a solo entrepreneur specializing in asset protection and tax minimization for high-net-worth individuals and business owners, Claire provides valuable insights into the evolution of her brand and the lessons learned along the way. The episode explores the importance of networking and relationship-building in the legal profession, with Claire emphasizing the significance of strategic connections over sheer quantity. The conversation also touches on Claire's transition to working from home and how it influenced the refocusing of her business. Listeners gain valuable advice on the delicate balance between personal fulfillment and business success, with Claire encouraging aspiring legal entrepreneurs to align their professional pursuits with their true passions. The episode concludes with a glimpse into Claire's exciting future plans and upcoming guests for Beyond Billables in 2024.
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Matthew Hollings - Director Clients & Marketing at Sky Discovery
11/16/2023
Matthew Hollings - Director Clients & Marketing at Sky Discovery
Business development can be a minefield. How do you become great at it? Which strategies work? Which don't? On the podcast this week, we dive into key questions surrounding BD with returning guest Matthew Hollings, Director of Clients and Marketing at Sky Discovery. While this discussion is largely focussed on business development, we also discuss Matthew’s background in law, the industry of many of our clients. Matt shares some unique insights on the power of having the right BD strategy; as well as habits and consistency that professionals at all levels can take onboard and implement to help them win more work. As for Matt himself check out his bio below! Matthew has been a part of the legal industry for over 12 years. First, as a practising solicitor working in litigation for a large national firm. Second, working in-house for a large financial institution in its disputes team, before moving into the world of legal technology. Matthew has spent the last 9 years using his practical experience as a litigator to support lawyers with eDiscovery solutions that help them to collect, analyse, manage and review the increasing volumes and types of data related to their disputes, regulatory responses and investigations. Working in close partnership with their clients throughout the entire matter lifecycle, Matthew and his colleagues use their legal and technological experience to develop solutions that make the technical, practical and the complex, simple so that those legal teams can focus on the law, and their clients.
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James Banks - Rankmax Founder on AI SEO
10/31/2023
James Banks - Rankmax Founder on AI SEO
AI is changing the SEO game forever. Is your business ready? Today on the show, I chat with James Banks, Founder of Rankmax.AI. Rankmax is an AI SEO business that assists enterprises looking to leverage the power of AI, and ultimately grow website traffic. Having worked in the industry for 15 years, James recognised the huge changes AI was bringing which drove him to launch Rankmax in 2023. Today, we dive into everything you need to know about AI, SEO, content and how technology is shaping search engine optimisation. If your business utilises SEO to generate leads, this is a must listen. More than a business discussion, James also opens up in candid detail on his journey as an entrepreneur. He shares about some of the incredibly tough times that have shaped him as a leader and the pursuit of happiness in business that led him to this point.
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Net, lure or spear? A simple framework for your marketing
10/23/2023
Net, lure or spear? A simple framework for your marketing
In this week's show, Mike dives into the "Net, Lure and Spear" marketing framework as a way to make better decisions on where you invest your marketing, BD and content investments. Mike dives into the significance of distinguishing between these three elements when investing time and resources in marketing your business. Net fishing involves broad messaging and brand building, creating a lasting impression. Lure fishing targets specific industry problems with tailored content, while spearfishing is highly focused on individual relationships, often involving personalized communication. Mike emphasizes the importance of making clear decisions regarding where to allocate time and money within these elements.
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Steph Taylor - Online Business Strategists & Entrepreneur
10/10/2023
Steph Taylor - Online Business Strategists & Entrepreneur
On this week's show I sat down with my friend and incredibly successful online business strategist Steph Taylor. Steph helps service-based business owners build profitable and sustainable online businesses that continue to grow even when they’re offline. This was a great discussion on Steph's business journey, what's worked and what hasn't, and how she has managed to find success. Steph and I worked together for 2 years, so it was great fun to revisit that time, reflect on her journey and hear all her insights on online business. From business to mental health, this is a great discussion on business and life. In 12 months, Steph took her online business from $100K to $1 million, and the best bit? This didn’t come with the trade-off of more hustle and more time. In fact, by creating a solid online business and sales engine, she was able to take weeks off to hike around the outback with a tent on her back, and be off the grid for a month in a camper van with her furry best pal, Archie. By leaning on strategy over tactics, value over the hard sell, and longevity over quick wins, Steph believes that a successful online business shouldn’t feel like you’re pushing an elephant up the hill, but instead should feel fun, flowy, and fulfilling. Through her podcast Imperfect Action that’s clocked over 2 million downloads and in supporting over 4,000 paid students and counting, Steph today teaches online businesses how they too can create financial, choice, time, and location freedom through her framework that blends strategy, content, sales, systems, and mindset.
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Oh My Digital Founders Hayley & Katy
09/25/2023
Oh My Digital Founders Hayley & Katy
This week, Mike sits down with founders of Oh My Digital, Kaitlyn Gillies & Hayley Peters to chat all things business evolution! Katy & Hayley are a dynamite duo that have grown their agency through hard work and a commitment to constant evolution. We discuss their history, how they tackle the big issues that all business owners face, and how those issues impact on them personally. Join us for a deep-dive into the reality of running an agency, the personal toll of owning a business, and how embracing constant change can help (in all aspects of life). Oh My Digital are your marketing cheerleaders. We help passionate brands kick marketing goals, backed by a #cheersquad of besties, whether you're a rookie, a pro or anywhere in between! We will educate, inspire & empower you to demystify your marketing once and for all (and have a lot of fun along the way). We offer DIY and done-for-you options, so your brand can grow with us - whatever stage you’re at! We love a good 2000s throwback movie, Friday night cosmos & helping businesses grow with no BS digital marketing advice and strategy.
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Dominic Woolrych - Co-Founder of Lawpath
09/09/2023
Dominic Woolrych - Co-Founder of Lawpath
On the first interview show this year Mike spoke with Dominic Woolrych, Co-founder of Lawpath Australia's number one online legal platform that has helped over 400,000 small businesses across Australia and the US. On the show we discussed Lawpath and Dom’s journey, how they have scaled the business and some of the big questions business owners have to grapple with. Dom shared openly about the challenges of being a non-technical founder, how he has developed as a leader and how he manages it all. More details on Dom’s bio can be found below! Dom’s mission is to transform and digitalize the legal industry to make it accessible to all small businesses and show lawyers that there are many non-traditional opportunities in the legal sector. Dom is on the advisory board and an Adjunct Professor at the University of Technology and a director of the Australian Legal Technology Association (ALTA). In 2022, Dom became the finalist at SmallBiz Week Young Hero Awards in the Young Innovator category and was voted the top 20 University of Technology Alumni. As a young entrepreneur, Dom first cut his teeth as a commercial lawyer at Minster Ellison, Australia's largest law firm, where he realized that only a select handful of businesses could afford top legal advice. This experience and his subsequent work representing vulnerable people through Legal Aid gave him the insights and skills needed to disrupt and revolutionize the legal industry. Together with his co-founder Tom Willis, he witnessed how other industries moved their services online and applied this principle to the legal sector. With the automation of tasks and cutting-edge technologies (including AI), he bridged the gap and made gaining legal advice accessible to everyone, especially small businesses. Dom's vision is to continue to build his digital platform and help small businesses globally to access legal support at a fraction of the traditional system's time, cost, and complexity. Today, Lawpath is recognized as one of the top 10 legal start-ups in Australia and the top 50 globally. It is the fastest-growing online legal platform with over 400,000 small business users and has started 5 percent of all companies in Australia.
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We're back + The Work on vs Work in your business problem
08/22/2023
We're back + The Work on vs Work in your business problem
Welcome back to the Beyond Billables podcast! It’s been a hot minute and a lot has been happening, but we are excited to once again be making the show. In this first episode of the year Mike shares candidly on the evolution and growth of the Beyond Billables agency, the decision to put the show on hold during his wife’s cancer treatment and the excitement about being back in the podcast chair! It wouldn’t be a BB show without insight on some key professional services strategies and in the second half Mike dives into the “Work on vs Work in” your business conundrum and shares a 5 step process to help owners, executives, and senior leaders work out what balance suits them.
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Award Winning Comedian Josh Glanc
08/30/2022
Award Winning Comedian Josh Glanc
From Associate in the Supreme Court to playing packed out comedy shows around the world, this week Mike caught up with the incredibly talented Josh Glanc just before Edinburgh Fringe! Josh shared openly about his journey in comedy and the real challenges anyone faces who embarks on a career in a creative field. We spoke about the impact of the pandemic, how he approaches his standup and the reality of getting work as a comedian around the world. This was a very personal, engaging chat with a hugely talented Australian who is destined for great things.
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Chris Dreyer - CEO of Rankings.io
08/09/2022
Chris Dreyer - CEO of Rankings.io
On the show this week Mike spoke with Law Firm SEO expert, Chris Dreyer, CEO and founder of . is an SEO agency that specializes in helping personal injury law firms dominate first page rankings. This was a really interesting discussion on SEO, Content, niching down and the power of brand across everything law firms do. Chris also shared on his own interesting personal journey and how he built his brand through content and the strategies he helps clients implement. Mike also discussed the upcoming launch of Chris’ first book called: Niching up: The narrower the Market, The Bigger the prize.
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Robert dos Santos - Award Winning Director
07/27/2022
Robert dos Santos - Award Winning Director
On the show this week Mike spoke with the brilliant Rob Dos Santos from Cape Town, South Africa! Once upon a time many moons ago, Rob was a lawyer, practicing Commercial and Corporate law. However, he had a higher calling in life to make films. So one day he decided to ditch the courtroom for the camera and live his dream of being a filmmaker. This was a great show exploring what it means to have passion for your work and the tough journey many people need to go on to find something they love to do. Rob shares candidly and with great humour about his journey and everything it has taken to make it work.
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Clarissa Rayward - The Happy Family Lawyer
07/18/2022
Clarissa Rayward - The Happy Family Lawyer
On the show this week Mike sat down with the one and only Clarissa Rayward, law firm owner, podcaster, author and known as the Happy Family lawyer! As well as being the host for the last 6 years of the Happy Lawyer, Happy Life podcast Clarissa is also the Owner of Brisbane Family Law Center, an accredited Family Law Specialist, Mediator, Collaborative Lawyer & all-around superhuman. Over the past 15 years, Clarissa has worked with thousands of families during separation and divorce. She specializes in assisting her clients in experiencing a dignified divorce - staying away from the Court process and finding sustainable agreements for the future. Clarissa published her first book, Splitsville: How to Separate, Stay Out of Court and Stay Friends in 2015 (4.6-star review on Amazon) Launched her podcast in 2016 the Happy Lawyer, Happy Life Happy Lawyer Happy Life: How to Be Happy in Law and in Life published in 2017 Provides webinars and teaches courses to lawyers
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Ryan Loehr - Partner at Emanuel Whybourne
07/11/2022
Ryan Loehr - Partner at Emanuel Whybourne
On the show this week Mike sat down with Ryan Loerh, a partner at Emanuel Whyboune. Ryan has over a decade of experience in the financial services industry, having worked for large retail banks, specialist investment firms, Macquarie Group and Morgan Stanley before moving to Emanuel Whybourne with its founders. Having previously studied law Ryan ended up embarking on a career in finance so it was a fascinating discussion on how he achieved this and what skills he learned in law school that helped along the way. Given the economic climate at the moment it was also a great chance to discuss inflation, interest rates and global markets and how someone like Ryan helps problem solve for his clients. *** None of our discussion on this podcast should be taken as direct or implied financial advice of any kind and does not constitute personal advice to any person. The discussion may contain statements of opinion by the speakers which are a point in time evaluation current only at the date of publication and are not statements of fact or recommendations of any kind. To the extent permitted by law, neither the presenters or BB, employees or agents accept any liability whether arising in contract, in tort or negligence or otherwise, for any error or ommission in this podcast or for any loss or damage suffered by a recipient of this podcast or any other person acting in reliance upon the information or opinion in this podcast.***
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Things that They Don’t Teach You in Law School
07/07/2022
Things that They Don’t Teach You in Law School
On today’s insight show Mike reflects on what they don’t teach you in law school! Having worked in the industry for over two decades now in practice, in recruitment and in marketing what stands out for us is that young lawyers aren’t coming out of law school with some key skills that can help them over their career. Mike focuses in on three key issues around Client Experience, Communication and Business skills that all great lawyers need but that law schools (and many law firms own training and development) just aren’t providing.
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Rizwana McDonald - Founder of Foundd Legal
07/04/2022
Rizwana McDonald - Founder of Foundd Legal
On the show this week Mike had a great discussion with Rizwana McDonald, Founder of Foundd Legal. Riz started Foundd as a way to make all of that boring, scary, overwhelming legal stuff both accessible and affordable to entrepreneurs, creatives and designers, so they can have the best shot possible of creating a legal, lucrative, kick-arse brand and business. Marketing pitch aside, Riz has an excellent and unique story of resilience and perseverance. Having been pulled out of school by her family at a young age, Riz was able to ultimately find her own path into the law which has culminated in her very own thriving practice. A truly inspiring entrepreneur and business owner Riz story is for anyone who thinks they can’t make it.
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Tips on Marketing During a Recession
06/28/2022
Tips on Marketing During a Recession
Legal marketing in a recession! Ok, no one wants to hear the big R word, but we wanted to get out in front of it because with rising rates and inflation there is a good chance growth will turn negative this year. The key question is what does that mean for law firms, and for us what does that mean for law firm branding and marketing! In this show Mike dives into three key factors that firm owners need to remember, how to best prepare and the key to pivoting messaging during any time of uncertainty. Historically, recessions and downturns have been great for brands who stay committed to their medium and long-term goals and act strategically, not just reflexively.
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Everything you need to know about social media algorithms 2022
06/23/2022
Everything you need to know about social media algorithms 2022
On this weeks insight show, Mike discusses social media and what’s happening right now on our favourite platforms. From LinkedIn to Tik Tok we dive into what is working now and what we see coming in the future. One thing is certain, you need to be smart about taking advantage of reaching your audience and making content that is both authoritative and relatable.
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Francesca Chang - Attorney on A Journey
06/20/2022
Francesca Chang - Attorney on A Journey
On this week's episode of the Beyond Billables Podcast, Mike had the pleasure to interview Francesca Chang. She is certainly an attorney on a journey! Francesca is a blogger, vlogger and life coach who has transformed her life, moved to Taiwan and now helps other lawyers. Francesca has a fascinating story of embracing a better life for herself and her family heritage while working to empower others to do the same. As a travel blogger and vlogger, she also works to promote Taiwan and the slow travel scene. On the show we discussed Francesca’s career, her motivations and the opportunities lawyers have to embrace multi-faceted careers.
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Dr Joanne Redburn - Director of NFP Lawyers
06/13/2022
Dr Joanne Redburn - Director of NFP Lawyers
On this week's episode of the Beyond Billables Podcast, Mike had the pleasure to interview the fabulous Dr Joanne Redburn, Director of NFP Lawyers. This was a great in-depth discussion about the not-for-profit sector and the challenges and opportunities that exist. Joanne is a true leader in the NFP space in Australia and has worked across some of the most complex NFP projects so it was great to be able to go into detail. Joanne also has a great story having started as a research scientist before transitioning into law because of her love for IP. We discussed this move, managing the juggle of growing practice with a busy family life and how Joanne has built NFP Lawyers from the ground up.
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Jahan Kalantar - Head of Litigation at Executive Legal
05/20/2022
Jahan Kalantar - Head of Litigation at Executive Legal
Jahan may refer to himself as a “little guy lawyer”, but we think he is an absolute legend of a lawyer and human. Head of Litigation at Executive Legal, a human rights activist, Tik Tok trailblazer and all around brilliant content creator, Jahan is a leading light in the legal industry. On the show we chatted about all of this, his journey in law and the struggle we all go through finding balance and managing our own expectations. What did I get out of it? A realisation that the authentic and real Jahan that shows up in my Tik Tok is the same passionate person IRL and that a focus on service and value with your content and not sales is the best way to build real connection.
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Scott Simmons - Director of Legal Balance
05/06/2022
Scott Simmons - Director of Legal Balance
On the show this week was a brilliant discussion I recorded recently with Scott Simmons, Director of Legal Balance. We had a great in depth chat about "selling", "business development" and even the role of pricing. Diving into more of the "business of law" we discussed both the mental approach to growing a practice and the practical steps all lawyers can take. After a successful career in law where he faced similar situations to the lawyers of today, he discovered a love of coaching and training that has seen him coaching young professionals on how to build their own careers, as well as more senior executives to become rainmakers. Scott has spent the last 8 years coaching and training lawyers and regularly writes and speaks on the subject of professional services business development.
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Adam Pascarella - Founder of Second Order Capital Management
04/21/2022
Adam Pascarella - Founder of Second Order Capital Management
This week on the show we had a great conversation with Adam Pascarella, former Attorney and Founder of Second Order Capital Management in the US. Adam is also the author of a great new book, Reversed in Part:15 Law School Grads on Pursuing Non-Traditional Careers. Adam wrote "Reversed in Part" with a desire to help others looking to transition their careers. The book is packed with great stories and we were lucky enough to dive into some on the show. As a former Baker McKenzie associate and graduate from the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School Adam has a great story to tell himself and we hope you enjoy hearing it!
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