Build a Better Agency Podcast

Scale and grow your agency with better clients, invested employees, and a stronger bottom line, with Drew McLellan of Agency Management Institute.

Episode 539 How to Hire and Keep Top Performers with John Arnold 02/01/2026

Episode 539 How to Hire and Keep Top Performers with John Arnold Welcome to the latest episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is joined by talent strategy expert John Arnold to tackle one of the most critical and timely challenges facing agency owners today: hiring, retaining, and managing the right people in the ever-evolving agency landscape. As AI and technology shift agency workflows, Drew McLellan sets the stage for a refreshing conversation about why the human element is more important now than ever. John Arnold, co-owner of Celerity—a firm that was itself born from agency roots—brings decades of experience in staffing, executive search, and talent advising. Together, they explore the seismic changes agencies have faced in team structure, from the rise of remote work and fractional contracts to the increasing responsibility placed on each team member. John Arnold shares actionable strategies for navigating this new reality, including how tools like Predictive Index and other personality assessments are transforming agency hiring decisions. You'll learn why understanding your own leadership style is just as important as knowing what you’re looking for in a new hire. This episode digs into practical frameworks for the ideal interview process, tips for avoiding common hiring pitfalls, and ways to structure assessments and team interviews to ensure long-term fit. John Arnold also reveals the personality traits and behaviors that signal an exceptional agency employee, while offering candid advice for managing generational divides and work-life balance in today’s workforce. The conversation doesn’t shy away from tough topics: Drew McLellan and John Arnold discuss red flags, deal-breakers, and why agency leaders must be upfront with candidates from the very start. If you’re ready to strengthen your agency’s team, enhance your understanding of talent, and embrace data-driven hiring, this episode delivers the insights you need. By the end, you’ll have the tools—and the confidence—to build a stronger, more resilient agency culture. Don’t miss this invaluable deep dive into what it takes to recruit, retain, and inspire top talent in today’s dynamic agency world! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: The critical role of data in modern agency hiring Balancing gut instinct with science for better hiring outcomes Structuring a successful multi-step interview process Why curiosity and accountability matter in agency talent Navigating generational shifts in work/life balance expectations The evolving landscape of remote and hybrid work in agencies Preparing for the future: leveraging AI and assessments to predict job fit /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39928675

Episode 538 The Secret to Great Creative Work with Tom Fishburne 01/25/2026

Episode 538 The Secret to Great Creative Work with Tom Fishburne Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by legendary cartoonist and marketer Tom Fishburne, best known for his “Marketoonist” series that has humorously and astutely captured the nuances of agency life for over two decades. If you’ve ever laughed (or cringed) at a cartoon that perfectly depicts a creative brief gone wrong or the infamous “shiny object syndrome” in marketing, there’s a good chance it was one of Tom’s. In this fast-paced conversation, Drew McLellan and Tom Fishburne explore the enduring themes and challenges of agency culture, creativity, and client relationships, using Tom’s cartoons as a lens for the ever-evolving world of marketing. Tom shares how his unique background on both the agency and client sides has shaped his perspective and provided endless inspiration. He opens up about his creative process, how stepping back for “analog thinking” allows him to push past predictable ideas, and why intentional humor can break down barriers and foster connection inside agencies and with clients. Listeners will also hear fresh insights on the changing role of data and AI in the industry, and how agencies can stand out by marrying “analog intelligence” with digital tools—without losing the essential human touch. Drew McLellan and Tom Fishburne discuss why so much work is met with indifference, the importance of a well-crafted creative brief, and the power of dedicating time to unstructured thinking, even in today's deadline-driven environments. Whether you’re a fan of Tom’s cartoons or new to his work, this episode will inspire you to reframe how you approach creativity and culture in your agency. You’ll walk away with practical homework on integrating humor, empathy, and analog thinking into your agency’s DNA—fueling better work, stronger teams, and more memorable client relationships. Don’t miss this blend of wit, wisdom, and actionable advice for building a truly distinctive agency. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Bringing humor and humanity into agency work The evolving relationship between agencies and clients Why creative briefs often go wrong—and how to fix them Using analog thinking to spark creativity and originality Avoiding indifference by moving beyond data-driven sameness Balancing AI tools with the irreplaceable value of human insight Creating space for deep, focused thinking in a fast-paced industry /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39827380

Episode 537 How AI is Changing the PR Landscape with Brett Farmiloe 01/18/2026

Episode 537 How AI is Changing the PR Landscape with Brett Farmiloe Welcome to another compelling episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with special guest Brett Farmiloe, a former agency owner turned SaaS entrepreneur, to unpack the evolving world of PR and media in the age of AI. Together, they dive into the complexities and opportunities that the rapid adoption of AI presents for agencies, especially those aiming to maintain authentic, high-value relationships with journalists and media outlets. In this insightful conversation, Brett Farmiloe shares the unique vantage point gained from his time building and selling a marketing agency, now channeled into his role as the founder and CEO of Featured.com and the current owner of the iconic HARO (Help a Reporter Out) platform. He reveals how both tools are being reimagined to adapt to today's media demands—where automation intersects with the irreplaceable value of human expertise. Agencies will gain an inside look at how AI is reshaping the process of matching experts with media opportunities, the crucial role of maintaining human oversight, and strategies for keeping quality and trust at the forefront in a flood of AI-generated content. Throughout the episode, Drew McLellan and Brett Farmiloe tackle the questions on every agency leader’s mind: How can we use AI as an asset, not a crutch? What do journalists expect from agency sources in a world where the line between authentic insight and machine-generated text is increasingly blurred? And what are the best practices for pitching and building real relationships in this new landscape? You'll hear practical strategies, real-world examples, and honest perspectives on keeping your agency—and your clients—ahead of the curve. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to rethink PR for your agency, streamline your workflows with SaaS-inspired thinking, and learn how to create more value for your clients in a changing media environment. With actionable takeaways on automation, self-service value, and trust building, this discussion is packed with ideas to help you future-proof your agency’s PR and client service strategies. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: How AI is reshaping PR and media relations for agencies The ongoing importance of human expertise in "human-in-the-loop" PR Maintaining trust and quality when using AI-generated pitches Reviving and modernizing HARO to better connect journalists and sources What agencies can learn from SaaS to increase efficiency and value How journalists are adapting to AI, multiple income streams, and new media channels New opportunities for agencies in proactive PR and as AI consultants for clients /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39733600

Episode 536 Legal Best Practices for Agency Sales with Sharon Toerek 01/11/2026

Episode 536 Legal Best Practices for Agency Sales with Sharon Toerek Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan tackles the critical—yet often underestimated—legal side of agency mergers and acquisitions. Joined by agency law specialist Sharon Toerek, Drew explores all the ways agencies can better prepare for buying or selling a business and avoid the legal pitfalls that can delay deals, drive up costs, or even kill transactions entirely. Sharon Toerek shares from her first-hand experience helping agencies on both the buy and sell side, breaking down the foundational legal elements every agency owner needs—whether or not they plan to sell someday. Together, they dig into everything from the importance of robust client and employee contracts, to protecting intellectual property, to the necessity of having proper corporate governance documents in place. Sharon explains how missing or incomplete contracts can erode agency valuations, scare buyers, and create costly last-minute headaches. The conversation also covers the nuances of deal documentation, the significance of a well-prepared due diligence process, and the real-world “war stories” that illustrate why legal readiness matters so much. Drew McLellan and Sharon Toerek offer listeners practical, actionable steps to start shoring up their agreements, documents, and internal processes now—not just in anticipation of a sale, but as fundamental best practices for running a sustainable, valuable agency. Don’t miss this episode if you want to eliminate unnecessary risks, maximize the value of your agency, and ensure a smoother M&A journey whenever the time comes. By the end, you’ll have a to-do list that can strengthen your agency’s foundation today and set you up for a more profitable, stress-free exit tomorrow. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: The critical role of client contracts and why agencies need to centralize and consistently document them The importance of up-to-date employee agreements and talent documentation to protect agency value Intellectual property as a major driver of agency valuation (and how to properly identify and secure IP assets) The need for clear, accessible corporate governance and owner agreements to prevent deal slowdowns Why preparing legal foundations early smooths M&A transactions and safeguards potential deal value How lack of organization or missing documents can delay, diminish, or even derail agency sales Proactive legal preparation as both a best practice and a profit generator for agencies /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39667060

Episode 535 Five Essential Agency Owner Resolutions for 2026 with Drew McLellan 01/04/2026

Episode 535 Five Essential Agency Owner Resolutions for 2026 with Drew McLellan Welcome to a brand new year and a brand new episode of Build a Better Agency! In this special solo cast, host Drew McLellan kicks off 2026 with a focused, actionable discussion on preparing agency owners and leaders for what promises to be a pivotal year. Drawing from his decades of experience and deep involvement with agencies across the globe, Drew McLellan lays out five essential resolutions that serve as a roadmap for agency growth, stability, and profitability—no matter your agency’s discipline. This episode is packed with practical advice for implementing intentional changes, starting with the importance of carving out deep work time and ensuring that new business development remains a weekly priority. Drew McLellan details how to practically block out time on your calendar for strategic thinking and outreach, and why these habits are especially critical as the market shifts. He also provides a step-by-step formula for running monthly all-agency meetings that build transparency, celebrate wins, and foster accountability—complete with a ready-to-use agenda. The conversation turns to the game-changing impact of AI within agencies, emphasizing why every agency owner must establish clear policies, communicate their approach to both internal teams and clients, and explore how to leverage AI tools to stay competitive. In addition, Drew McLellan highlights the often-neglected importance of deepening personal connections with your team, sharing meaningful rituals and approaches to nurturing these relationships for better retention and morale. Whether you’re hoping to weather tough economic conditions, boost your new business pipeline, or future-proof your agency with smart technology and people strategies, this episode equips you with concrete steps for transforming intention into action in 2026. You’ll leave inspired to schedule, strategize, and connect—all cornerstones for not just surviving but thriving in the year ahead. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Agency owner resolutions for a watershed year Carving out time for deep, uninterrupted work Implementing a consistent new business development routine Building transparency and accountability with all-agency updates Establishing clear AI policies and accelerating AI adoption Deepening human connections with team members Proactively preparing for 2026’s unique agency challenges /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39590865

Episode 534 Leveraging LinkedIn Strategies for Agency Success with Greg Star 12/28/2025

Episode 534 Leveraging LinkedIn Strategies for Agency Success with Greg Star Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! In this episode, host Drew McLellan welcomes Greg Star, founder of Driven Branding and former CEO of Carvertize, to explore how agency leaders can leverage LinkedIn to build stronger, more authentic personal brands. If you’ve ever wondered why your company’s LinkedIn page isn’t gaining traction or how you can make your own profile stand out in a sea of sameness, this conversation is packed with fresh perspectives and actionable strategies. Drew McLellan and Greg Star dig deep into the “why” behind personal branding, revealing why executives and business owners should take the reins of their LinkedIn presence—rather than delegating to teams or relying on generic company posts. From sharing compelling origin stories to posting weekly updates and engaging thoughtfully with comments, Greg Star outlines what kind of content builds trust, authenticity, and ultimately, business opportunities. They discuss how true engagement emerges when you blend professional expertise with genuine connection—without veering into “cringe” territory or oversharing. You’ll also get an inside look at Greg Star’s journey from manually creating buzz for his own business on LinkedIn to developing AI-powered tools that help introverted or time-strapped leaders tell their stories effectively. Hear practical tips for building consistency, making each post matter, and handling the inevitable engagement that follows. Plus, find out why starting now—no matter how long you’ve waited—is the key to momentum. This episode is a must-listen for agency owners, executives, and anyone ready to move beyond passive lurking and intentional yet inauthentic posting. By the end, you’ll be inspired to up your LinkedIn game, share your unique “why,” and embrace consistency as the secret weapon to becoming a more visible and trusted leader in today’s crowded agency landscape. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Leveraging LinkedIn for authentic personal branding Why agency owners’ voices outperform company pages on LinkedIn The power of consistency over perfection in building reputation Balancing professional storytelling with vulnerability (without getting “cringe”) Using origin stories and the “why” to foster connections How AI tools can assist—without replacing—the human touch Simple engagement tactics to grow trust and visibility /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39537645

Episode 533 Understanding AI-Powered Lead Generation with Tom Schwab 12/21/2025

Episode 533 Understanding AI-Powered Lead Generation with Tom Schwab Welcome to another can’t-miss episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan explores a rapidly evolving strategy that has the potential to shake up the way agencies attract leads and position themselves as go-to experts. Joining Drew McLellan is returning guest Tom Schwab of Interview Valet, who brings groundbreaking insights on how artificial intelligence (AI) tools are influencing audience discovery and client acquisition. In this episode, Tom Schwab pulls back the curtain on how his team has leveraged AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity to turn them into top referral sources for his business and their clients. He explains the shift he’s seen in lead quality, why AI-driven traffic outperforms traditional SEO, and how podcasts—especially guest appearances on third-party platforms—are being indexed as trusted resources by these bots. If you’ve ever wondered how to ensure your agency shows up as a credible source when prospects turn to AI for recommendations, you’ll find tons of applicable guidance here. Drew McLellan and Tom Schwab also dig into tactical approaches, including how to diversify your podcast and content topics, strengthen your brand’s point of view, and make strategic use of storytelling to engage both traditional listeners and AI “audiences.” You’ll discover tips on optimizing your show notes, leveraging tools like SparkToro to understand audience behaviors, and measuring the true impact of your podcast outreach—ahead of the curve in our search-evolving landscape. Whether you’re a podcast host, a guest on other people’s shows, or simply interested in how AI is changing the marketing game, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways for agencies of all sizes. Tune in to hear how you can future-proof your thought leadership strategy and get found by the right prospects, right when they’re searching for your expertise. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Leveraging AI as a modern referral source for agencies Optimizing podcast and long-form content for AI indexing The growing importance of context, point of view, and clarity in content Varying topics and voices to increase authority and reach with AI and audiences Using tools like SparkToro to identify where your ideal audience is searching Repurposing interviews and resources for maximum impact across channels Embracing transparency and specificity to attract high-quality, pre-qualified leads /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39388480

Episode 532 The Science of Brand Building with Ulli Appelbaum 12/14/2025

Episode 532 The Science of Brand Building with Ulli Appelbaum Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes brand strategist and agency veteran Ulli Appelbaum to dive deep into the science of brand associations—a topic that’s often referenced but rarely explored with the rigor it deserves. If you’ve ever struggled to quantify the value of your agency’s or your client’s brand, this episode will provide you with the data-backed frameworks and practical wisdom you’ve been searching for. Drawing on decades of experience across leading global agencies and his own consultancy, Ulli Appelbaum shares key insights from his new book, "The Science of Brand Associations: When Minds Win Markets." Together, he and Drew McLellan break down what brand associations really are, why they matter for long-term growth, and how emotional resonance and consistency are critical in embedding brands into consumer memory. Whether you’re building brands for clients or shaping the reputation of your own agency, Ulli Appelbaum's science-based approach gives you the tools to move beyond gut instinct towards strategies that drive measurable results. The episode covers actionable strategies for identifying and cultivating the right brand associations, crafting memorable brand assets, and leveraging the power of emotional storytelling—even in B2B environments. You’ll also learn how to use frameworks and scorecards to focus your branding efforts on what really matters, ensuring your brand stands out distinctly against competitors. Plus, the discussion explores why brands with strong association networks rebound faster from economic downturns and command higher price premiums. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to combine creativity and data in a way that elevates your agency’s brand work—and your own brand presence—above the noise. By the end, you’ll walk away with practical tools to guide both client conversations and your agency’s growth, grounded in proven science rather than simple opinion. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: The science behind brand associations and why they matter Data-backed reasons brand associations drive growth and profitability How emotional impact and memory structure strengthen brands The power of consistency and distinctiveness in brand assets Using frameworks and scorecards to build effective brands The surprising resurgence and importance of brand characters Practical tools agencies can use to differentiate themselves and their clients /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39359610

Episode 531 Reducing Agency Chaos with Amber De La Garza 12/07/2025

Episode 531 Reducing Agency Chaos with Amber De La Garza Welcome to another engaging episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan turns the spotlight inward to tackle a challenge many agency owners face but rarely confront: the chaos we unintentionally create within our own shops. Joined by productivity expert and business coach Amber De La Garza, this episode dives deep into the subtle ways agency leaders can become the source of their business’s dysfunction—and, most importantly, how they can flip the script to become the calming force their teams need. Amber De La Garza brings years of hands-on coaching across diverse service industries, helping business owners recognize how their habits, decisions, and leadership styles ripple throughout their organizations. Together, she and Drew McLellan explore common pitfalls like inconsistent follow-through, the lure of firefighting, and the temptation to solve every problem yourself. They shed light on how these behaviors not only breed chaos but also undermine team empowerment and erode trust. Throughout their conversation, you’ll hear actionable strategies for spotting and addressing the habits and leadership gaps that fuel ongoing fires. Amber De La Garza shares practical tools—from tracking your time (spoiler: you’re spending it differently than you think!) to identifying recurring symptoms in your business and asking the all-important question: “How am I responsible for this?” The episode also encourages agency leaders to carve out sacred time for big-picture thinking and to support their teams in becoming more self-sufficient problem solvers. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to break the cycle of crisis mode, build a steadier agency environment, and reclaim the freedom and satisfaction that inspired you to start your business in the first place. By the end, you’ll walk away with a renewed sense of ownership—not just over your agency’s success, but over the culture and calm you create every day. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Recognizing your role in creating agency chaos Why consistency from leaders sets the tone for the team Strategies to empower employees to solve their own problems The critical importance of owners following their own systems Turning firefighting into long-term solutions How tracking time reveals hidden patterns and priorities Building agency culture through intentional, focused change /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39269760

Episode 530 How Agencies Can Embrace Perpetual Uncertainty with Drew McLellan 11/30/2025

Episode 530 How Agencies Can Embrace Perpetual Uncertainty with Drew McLellan Welcome to a transformative solo episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan invites listeners to reframe how they view uncertainty, chaos, and change in the agency world. Drawing from both scientific research and personal stories—including a gripping childhood encounter with real fear—Drew McLellan explores why agencies feel paralyzed by unpredictability, and more importantly, how leaders can move beyond fear to thrive in today’s rapidly shifting landscape. Listeners will discover why uncertainty is baked into agency life, why our brains crave control, and why periods of upheaval—from economic turmoil and technological breakthroughs to social unrest—can actually be seen as fertile ground for growth and innovation. Drew McLellan champions the concept of a “perpetual renaissance,” encouraging agency leaders to harness rather than resist continual change and to build their businesses on adaptability, creativity, and community. Throughout the episode, Drew McLellan underscores the power of belonging and reciprocal support, likening the AMI community to a network of redwoods—each agency strengthened by connection with others. He shares actionable advice on showing up as both a teacher and a student in industry salons, generously exchanging knowledge and resources so everyone thrives amid uncertainty. Insights from neuroscience, evolutionary biology, and agency research come together with practical wisdom to reveal how leading through chaos isn’t about control, but about learning to ride the storm—together. Don’t miss this deeply encouraging and practical episode, especially if you’re looking for ways to put fear aside and become the agency clients seek out for guidance and innovation. By embracing the value of community and the inevitability of change, you’ll gain a new perspective on how to master—and even enjoy—the wild ride ahead. Join the conversation, connect with the AMI salon, and help shape the future of your agency in 2026 and beyond. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Embracing uncertainty as a constant in agency life Reframing fear of change into excitement for opportunity The power of community and collaboration for agency leaders Leveraging perpetual innovation and renaissance as a competitive edge The necessity of group learning and support to overcome decision paralysis Leading clients confidently through chaos and continual change Adopting a “giver’s gain” mindset to strengthen agency networks and growth /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39168140

Episode 529 Unlocking Growth Through Collaborations with Nicole Mahoney 11/23/2025

Episode 529 Unlocking Growth Through Collaborations with Nicole Mahoney Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by returning guest Nicole Mahoney, an accomplished agency owner and thought leader renowned for her innovative work in collaboration within the travel and tourism space. Drawing on her 15 years of industry expertise, Nicole shares how strategic partnerships have propelled her agency to new heights—even during challenging times like the pandemic. Together, Drew McLellan and Nicole Mahoney dig deep into the multifaceted nature of agency collaboration, both with competitors and complementary businesses. Nicole reveals insights from her research, podcast, and her newly released book, breaking down the different types of collaborators—the promoters, doubters, and protectors—and why understanding these archetypes is key to building mutually beneficial relationships. They also explore how agencies can be more intentional with partnerships to drive growth, resilience, and innovation. Expect actionable frameworks, real case studies of cross-agency teamwork, and candid stories about what works (and what doesn’t) when it comes to navigating collaborations—from RFP responses to co-hosting major events. Nicole introduces her proven "3C framework" for successful partnerships and shares how agencies can assess and operationalize collaboration as part of their strategic planning, especially heading into 2026. If you’re rethinking how to strengthen your agency’s network, improve client offerings, or simply want to learn from real-world examples of effective coopetition, this episode is packed with takeaways. Don’t miss this opportunity to hear fresh perspectives on how working together not only benefits your agency, but helps build a stronger, more connected industry. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Building agency growth and resiliency through strategic collaboration Understanding the three types of collaborators: promoters, doubters, and protectors Operationalizing collaboration as an intentional business strategy Keys to effective partnerships: communication, commonality, and commitment Creating mutually beneficial relationships even with competitors (coopetition) Leveraging collaborations to diversify offerings and better serve clients Using partnerships to overcome resource gaps and win larger opportunities /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39124785

Episode 528 Rethinking Agency Differentiation with Robin Bonn 11/16/2025

Episode 528 Rethinking Agency Differentiation with Robin Bonn Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan sits down with Robin Bonn, agency veteran and founder of Codefinery, for a candid conversation that tackles one of the agency world’s biggest challenges: true differentiation. Drawing on over two decades of industry experience and insights from his new book, Market of One, Robin unpacks why even the most creative agencies struggle to set themselves apart and how owners can reimagine their businesses for lasting competitive advantage. Drew and Robin delve deep into the heart of agency positioning, debunking the myths and tired tropes that so many firms rely on to claim they’re “different.” From generic claims about people and creativity to the pitfalls of “category norms,” Robin shares why most agencies’ attempts at standing out fall flat—and what it really means to create a business model that’s as unique as a fingerprint. Listeners will hear practical advice for moving beyond superficial branding tactics and start building what Robin calls a “market of one”—where your agency’s true value is clear, tangible, and uncopyable. The episode also explores the often-overlooked role of pricing as a key differentiator, the pervasive fear and herd mentality that keep agencies stuck, and the transformative impact of AI on agency business models. Robin challenges listeners to rethink everything from service offerings to client fit—encouraging leaders to embrace strategy, redefine success beyond just growth, and make bold choices that align with both financial health and personal fulfillment. Tune in if you’re ready to move past the sea of sameness and face the future with optimism and intention. By the end of the episode, you’ll walk away with actionable questions, a fresh strategic lens, and the inspiration to reshape not just what your agency does, but how—and why—you do it. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why true agency differentiation is so difficult—and why most agencies still struggle with it Common pitfalls that lead agencies into the "sea of sameness" Distinguishing between superficial distinctiveness and authentic, business-model-driven differentiation The critical role of clear positioning and deep strategy in agency growth How fear, herd mentality, and legacy habits hold agencies back from standing out The power of pricing as an underutilized differentiator Embracing change, enjoying the business, and defining what success means for your agency /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/39027955

Episode 527 Elevating the Agency Client Experience with Neen James 11/09/2025

Episode 527 Elevating the Agency Client Experience with Neen James Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes renowned author, speaker, and client experience expert Neen James for a thought-provoking discussion that will challenge agency leaders to rethink how they deliver value. Together, they explore the concept of “luxury” in the context of client service and agency culture—not just as something exclusive or material, but as a mindset centered on attention, connection, and making others feel truly seen and valued. Neen shares the findings from her latest book and a groundbreaking research study that uncovers four distinct “luxury mindsets.” She explains how every agency, regardless of size or specialty, can elevate their client experience by understanding these mindsets and tailoring interactions to meet (and exceed) unique client expectations. Through vivid examples drawn from luxury brands and her own experiences consulting for CEOs, Neen demonstrates how agencies can create a sense of belonging and reward for their clients, making every client touchpoint feel like a delightful, memorable experience. Drew and Neen also dive into practical strategies for agency owners to foster a culture of “systematized thoughtfulness.” From reimagining yourself and your team as concierges rather than order-takers, to implementing routines that ensure consistent, meaningful outreach to clients and internal teams, Neen offers actionable advice for embedding luxury-level attention into daily operations. They also discuss the significance of empowering team members, the importance of internal culture in reflecting client experience, and creative ways to find “champagne moments” in both everyday interactions and brand touchpoints. If you’re ready to stand out in a crowded marketplace, retain happier clients and employees, and transform ordinary agency processes into extraordinary experiences, this episode is not to be missed. By the end, you’ll have fresh inspiration and tangible tactics to make your agency a place where both clients and team members feel genuinely valued—every single day. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Rethinking “luxury” as an elevated client experience The four luxury mindsets and how they influence agency relationships Why attention and human connection are key differentiators for agencies The role of personalization, customization, and anticipation in delivering exceptional service The importance of treating employees as “internal clients” to empower them to delight external clients Turning everyday moments into memorable “champagne moments” Systematizing thoughtfulness as a business development strategy /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38943795

Episode 526 Navigating 401k Changes for Agencies with Craig Cody 11/02/2025

Episode 526 Navigating 401k Changes for Agencies with Craig Cody Welcome to a crucial episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined once again by Craig Cody, a seasoned CPA and tax advisor renowned for his expertise in agency financial management. Drew and Craig jump straight into a timely and essential topic for every agency owner—the recent changes to 401k regulations that could have significant implications for your agency’s compliance, retirement planning, and year-end financial strategy. Craig breaks down the new federal requirements affecting catch-up contributions to 401ks for anyone earning over $145,000, making the conversation immediately relevant for agency leaders and employees in higher income brackets. Together, Drew and Craig outline the steps agencies must take before the end of 2025 to avoid unpleasant surprises and penalties in 2026, including the need to ensure Roth provisions are set up within existing 401k plans and the importance of proactive compliance with auto-enrollment rules. The pair go beyond the headline changes, discussing how these adjustments affect not just owners, but also employees, and the risks agencies run if these details get overlooked. Listeners will also learn about valuable tax credits available for agencies that recently launched a 401k plan, as well as common tax strategies and deductions that many agency owners miss. Craig shares advice on how to make the most of tax planning meetings, the importance of documenting deductions, and how shifting from a simple IRA to a 401k can yield significant financial and retirement benefits for both owners and staff. Don’t let year-end compliance slip through the cracks—this episode is packed with actionable insights you need to update your retirement plans, review your tax strategies, and make informed decisions before another fiscal year closes. If you want to keep more of the money you make, provide competitive benefits, and avoid costly mistakes, you won’t want to miss Craig’s expert guidance. Tune in now and start building a better, more financially resilient agency. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Critical 401k regulation changes agency owners must address How new Roth contribution requirements affect high-earning employees Strategies to ensure compliance and avoid costly IRS penalties Why proactive communication with your 401k administrator is essential Opportunities for new tax credits with recently established retirement plans The urgency of year-end planning and regular discussions with your tax advisor Maximizing tax-saving strategies for agency owners and their families /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38859700

Episode 525 Agency Success in 2026 with Drew McLellan 10/26/2025

Episode 525 Agency Success in 2026 with Drew McLellan Welcome to a new solo cast episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is flying solo for episode 525, bringing decades of agency expertise to help owners prepare their businesses for a fast-changing marketplace. If the calendar is winding down and you're looking ahead to 2026, this episode is packed with actionable insights designed specifically for agency leadership. Drew kicks off with an overview of critical housekeeping—announcing the monthly workshop giveaway winner and expressing gratitude to long-time sponsor White Label IQ. The heart of this episode, though, is a deep dive into the unique responsibilities agency owners must own in these last 60 days of 2025. Rather than swamping yourself with creative or client-service tasks, Drew urges you to refocus on the essential leadership duties that no one else in your company has the authority or experience to fulfill. Listeners will hear Drew break down the owner’s role into five core areas: driving new business, articulating agency vision and values, managing financial health, nurturing both people and clients, and building an empowered leadership team. He shares clear strategies for refining your agency’s differentiation, creating a new business pipeline, career-pathing for staff, and cultivating “client love” from the top down. If you’re struggling with being too hands-on or feeling disconnected from your agency’s strategic path, Drew offers practical ideas and downloadable tools to get you back on track. Don’t miss this episode if you want to kick off 2026 in the strongest possible position. With guidance on setting vision, connecting with your team and clients, and creating a culture where everyone knows the agency’s direction, Drew’s solo cast is a masterclass in leadership focus—and a reminder that your job as agency owner is irreplaceable. Tune in and walk away ready to lead with clarity, confidence, and purpose. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Defining mission, vision, and values as a leadership priority How agency owners shape and communicate their agency’s direction Why new business growth requires both existing and new clients The critical role of agency specialization and niche expertise Building a culture of employee growth, career pathing, and retention Strengthening client relationships beyond project work Creating a leadership team to handle agency fires and empower growth /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38762990

Episode 524 Maximizing Agency Valuation with Ben Gaddis 10/19/2025

Episode 524 Maximizing Agency Valuation with Ben Gaddis Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes Ben Gaddis—former agency owner, seasoned operator, and now private equity investor—to give you an insider’s view of what makes an agency truly valuable in today’s changing landscape. Drawing on his unique journey from building and selling his own highly successful agency to investing in others, Ben shares a holistic, 360-degree perspective on agency growth, acquisition, and evolving business models. In their honest discussion, Drew and Ben explore how the definition of agency “success” has shifted from hiring more staff to focusing on lean, highly efficient delivery and organic account growth. Ben discusses the increasing importance of productization, technology, and leveraging global resources, while still maintaining creativity and strategic value. You’ll learn why being intentionally smaller can offer you bigger opportunities, how to balance artisanal creativity with scalable systems, and the dangers of being stuck in the “dangerous middle” of agency offerings. The conversation also tackles practical strategies for driving organic revenue, such as implementing account growth systems, setting clear client expansion targets, and leveraging tech to empower senior talent. Ben offers a candid investor’s perspective on what he looks for in a potential acquisition—including founder vision, unique positioning, and the ability to scale beyond the owner. The episode rounds out with actionable advice on hiring for strategy, pricing for value, and pushing past limiting beliefs that hold many agencies back from real growth. If you’re an agency leader contemplating the future—be it refining your business model, growing more profitably, or exploring eventual exit options—you’ll find this episode packed with strategic insights and hard-earned lessons from both sides of the deal. Get ready to rethink how you scale, sell, and position your agency for what’s next! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: The evolving definition of agency value and what buyers are really seeking The impact of technology and AI on agency models and service delivery Choosing between productized “factory” models vs. bespoke creative shops The critical role of organic growth and client retention in increasing agency value Leveraging operating systems and account plans to systematically grow existing accounts How right-sizing and hybrid staffing models can drive profitability The importance of founder vision and clear differentiation for long-term success /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38527900

Episode 523 Creating a Future-Ready Agency with Rishad Tobaccowala 10/12/2025

Episode 523 Creating a Future-Ready Agency with Rishad Tobaccowala Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! In this thought-provoking conversation, host Drew McLellan welcomes acclaimed author, agency veteran, and thought leader Rishad Tobaccowala to the show. Together, they dig into the rapidly evolving nature of work and what it means for agency leaders and teams in the years ahead. Rishad draws on his decades of agency experience and his latest book, "Rethinking Work," to outline the powerful shifts transforming how, where, and why we work. With unmatched clarity, he breaks down the five key forces—ranging from technology and AI to shifting demographics and the post-COVID mindset—that are redrawing the boundaries between work and life. Rishad also challenges traditional agency norms by explaining why flexibility, purpose, and autonomy are now at the heart of attracting and retaining top talent. Listeners will come away with fresh ideas for structuring their agency teams, from leveraging fractional and freelance talent to reimagining office space as dynamic hubs for creativity and collaboration. Rishad and Drew also tackle leadership evolution, with candid advice on moving from "boss zones" to genuine zones of influence that inspire trust and independence. If you’re ready to shake off old models and embrace the future with optimism, this episode is a must-listen. By the end, you’ll be eager to reimagine your agency’s structure, ignite your creativity, and cultivate a workplace where both people and business can thrive in our new era of work. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why work is changing faster than ever—and how agencies can get ahead Shifting from “bosses” to leaders to attract and retain top talent Embracing a flexible workforce: full-time, freelance, fractional, and AI “employees” Redesigning office space to encourage purposeful, in-person collaboration Rethinking organizational structures—moving from rigid hierarchies to “jazz ensemble” models Leveraging AI and technology to boost revenue per employee and agility How agency owners can reimagine their business for resilience and future growth /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38515740

Episode 522 Strategic Methodologies for Agency Success with Ana Laskey 10/05/2025

Episode 522 Strategic Methodologies for Agency Success with Ana Laskey Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with Ana Laskey, an experienced market researcher and strategist, to tackle one of the industry’s hot-button issues: the art and business of agency strategy. As the marketing landscape gets more crowded with freelance talent and AI tools, Drew and Ana dig deep into what truly differentiates agencies—our ability to develop meaningful, insight-driven strategies that help clients succeed. Ana brings her expertise to the table, sharing how pairing robust market research with a well-defined strategic methodology can help agencies deliver smarter, more profitable work. Together, they explore the dangers of gathering too little or too much information, the weaknesses of relying solely on AI for insights, and the necessity for agencies to develop consistent and niche-focused processes for strategy development. Ana emphasizes that strategy isn't just about information abundance—it's about refining the right data to create actionable plans that are rooted in genuine client needs and market realities. You’ll come away with actionable advice on how to standardize your strategic process, build a reliable methodology for insight gathering, and confidently present your findings to clients—even when they push back. Ana and Drew also discuss the economics of strategy work, how to integrate research costs into your agency’s proposals, and ways to communicate the value of this work to clients who may hesitate to invest. If you’re grappling with how to make your agency’s strategic offerings stand out and drive meaningful results, this episode is packed with practical tips, real-world examples, and a clear call to rethink your approach to strategy. Don’t miss it—you’ll finish the hour ready to lead your team through a smarter, more streamlined strategy process that delights your clients and protects your bottom line. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why having a defined methodology is essential for effective agency strategy The critical role of niche focus in building strategic expertise How to gather and validate the right data for client strategy Differentiating assumptions from facts in strategic recommendations The impact of new research tools, including AI, on accessing insights Communicating the value and cost of strategic work to clients The importance of confident, insight-driven storytelling to win client trust /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38448170

Episode 521 Trends and Tactics for Business Growth with Lee McKnight Jr 09/28/2025

Episode 521 Trends and Tactics for Business Growth with Lee McKnight Jr Welcome to another data-driven episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with returning guest Lee McKnight to break down the results of RSW/US’s freshly released 2025 Agency New Business Survey. Together, Drew and Lee unpack the real-world challenges and emerging opportunities that agencies—especially small and midsize firms—are facing as they gear up for the rest of 2025 and look ahead to 2026. Drew and Lee explore the survey’s biggest takeaways, including the persistence of economic uncertainty, longer sales cycles, and increasing client budget constraints—all pain points that seem to be universal across the agency landscape right now. You’ll hear candid discussions about the so-called “pipeline crisis,” with a striking 93% of respondents saying their agency’s growth engine isn’t firing on all cylinders. But it’s not all doom and gloom—Lee shares evidence that more agencies are stepping up their business development game, investing in content, and getting proactive with new business strategies. The conversation dives into specific tactics agencies are leaning into, from ramping up their content marketing efforts to productizing service offerings and rethinking referrals. They unpack why building a sustainable, always-on new business machine matters more than ever, and touch on the evolving relationship between agencies and in-house teams. Plus, the duo discusses how smart use of AI is shaping prospecting, research, and content—while still emphasizing the irreplaceable value of the human touch. Don’t miss this in-depth analysis if you’re determined to make your agency stand out in a crowded marketplace. You’ll walk away with actionable insights on increasing your agency’s visibility, keeping your new business pipeline healthy, and navigating the rapidly shifting marketing landscape with confidence. If you’re looking to end the year on a high note and get ahead of the competition in 2025, this episode is packed with the expert perspective you need. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Navigating agency growth during economic uncertainty Building a consistent and sustainable new business pipeline Leveraging content and thought leadership to improve visibility Rethinking reliance on referrals and embracing diversified lead generation The evolving role of AI in agency business development Productization of agency services—opportunities and caution Competing and collaborating with in-house agencies in today’s landscape /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38369350

Episode 520 Innovative Exercises for Strategic Planning with Drew McLellan 09/21/2025

Episode 520 Innovative Exercises for Strategic Planning with Drew McLellan Welcome to another insightful solo episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is at the mic, bringing over 25 years of agency expertise to address one of the most critical topics for agency leaders: rethinking your strategic planning process for the historic challenges and opportunities ahead in 2026. With economic uncertainty, industry disruption, and the rapid acceleration of AI at the forefront, Drew makes a compelling case that the old ways of dusting off last year’s SWOT just won’t cut it. Drew unveils a hands-on set of fresh, rigorous strategic planning exercises designed to push agency owners and leadership teams far beyond surface-level tactics. He outlines step-by-step activities—including scenario stress testing, client empathy mapping, reverse mentoring from your youngest team members, and even having your team role-play as your most formidable competitor. Each exercise is accompanied by practical guidance on setup, group dynamics, and ensuring every voice is heard—setting the tone for deep candor and courage throughout your planning process. You’ll also discover innovative frameworks to identify your agency’s blind spots, engage a broader range of team perspectives, and future-proof your business against a constantly shifting marketplace. Drew even walks through how to pressure test your new strategic plan with trusted outside advisors, ensuring your vision for 2026 is both bold and actionable. Whether you’re an agency owner looking to foster stronger client and employee relationships, or a leader determined to thrive amid industry change, this episode is packed with practical takeaways and downloadable resources to help you build a plan that’s ready for anything. Tune in and get inspired to move past old planning habits and chart a course for a more resilient, innovative, and profitable future. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why traditional SWOT analysis isn’t enough for agency planning in 2026 New, hands-on strategic exercises to challenge assumptions and spark innovation Involving a diverse mix of team members—including newer and younger staff—in planning Emphasizing radical candor, honest conversations, and psychological safety for deeper insights Scenario stress testing to prepare for rapid industry changes (AI, economics, client shifts) Client empathy mapping to deepen client relationships and identify real opportunities Methods to keep strategic plans alive, actionable, and integrated in agency culture /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38257010

Episode 519 The Power of Thoughtful Client Engagement with Jamie Shibley 09/14/2025

Episode 519 The Power of Thoughtful Client Engagement with Jamie Shibley Welcome to another episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan shines a light on an area vital to every agency’s growth: how to show up for clients and prospects in ways that build genuine trust, loyalty, and long-term relationships. To explore this undervalued but crucial topic, Drew is joined by Jamie Shibley, founder of The Expressory and expert in strategic engagement and relationship-driven agency growth. Jamie shares her fascinating journey from two decades in corporate IT and ecommerce management to launching her own agency, where she helps businesses nurture relationships through intentional and personalized engagement. Through insightful stories and real-life examples, Jamie and Drew examine why clients crave more than just a transactional relationship—they want to feel seen, valued, and heard. Together, they unpack the psychology behind meaningful connections, discussing simple but powerful ways agencies can differentiate themselves by caring more deeply and showing it consistently. Listeners will learn how to communicate care and appreciation, not just during the wooing phase, but throughout the client journey. Jamie reveals the six strategic storylines that should guide your client engagement, offers practical tips for intentional gifting (hint: it’s more about thoughtfulness than price or heavy branding), and shares eye-opening data on the tangible impact of consistent relationship nurturing. Drew and Jamie also address common barriers, like lack of time or uncertainty about what to say, and provide actionable strategies to overcome them. If you’re looking to solidify your client retention, inspire advocacy, and create memorable experiences that set your agency apart, this episode is a must-listen. Discover how small, intentional acts can have outsized effects on your business—and why now, more than ever, demonstrating care can be your most powerful growth lever. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: The evolution of business relationships in a post-COVID, highly digital landscape Why intentional, personal connection is a key agency differentiator The science and psychology behind making clients feel seen and valued Practical strategies for nurturing client relationships—before and after the sale The impact of thoughtful, tailored gifts and gestures (beyond traditional swag) Easy ways to operationalize meaningful engagement—without overwhelming your team How consistent care and acknowledgment lead to trust, referrals, and stronger client retention /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38189805

Episode 518 How Stay Interviews Unlock Employee Retention with Sue MacArthur 09/07/2025

Episode 518 How Stay Interviews Unlock Employee Retention with Sue MacArthur Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan turns the focus inward—with a practical conversation that every agency leader needs to hear. Joined by long-time AMI partner and Strategic Talent Management co-owner Sue MacArthur, Drew unpacks one of the most nuanced and important topics in the business: how to elevate your team, enhance retention, and lead with intention by mastering the art of the “stay interview.” Sue shares her extensive experience helping agencies solve their most pressing people challenges, from leadership development to hiring, performance management, and succession planning. Together, Drew and Sue dig into the realities of leading in a post-Covid landscape, emphasizing that being a good manager or leader doesn’t happen by accident—it requires thoughtful systems, ongoing engagement, and real, authentic conversations with your team. The heart of this episode centers on the stay interview: what it is, why it matters, and how it can radically transform your agency’s culture and retention. Sue offers actionable advice on how to incorporate stay interview questions into regular one-on-ones, how to create safe space for candid feedback, and how to foster a two-way dialogue where employees feel empowered to ask leadership tough questions as well. Drew and Sue also explore best practices for rolling out this process in your agency, including tips for building trust, handling difficult feedback, and turning employee insights into real, meaningful change. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to build deeper trust with your team, prevent regrettable departures, and unlock the potential sitting right within your agency walls. Drew even leaves you with a clear action plan and resources, so you can start integrating these conversations right away and position your agency—and your people—for long-term success. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: The value of stay interviews for employee retention and engagement Why performance management should be a continuous, intentional process How to create safe spaces for candid employee feedback Strategies for helping employees shape their career paths within small agencies The importance of modeling open communication and vulnerability as a leader Turning employee feedback into actionable change and team-wide improvement Balancing listening with encouraging solution-oriented problem solving /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38087390

Episode 517 The Secret to Agency Profitability with Michael Farmer 08/31/2025

Episode 517 The Secret to Agency Profitability with Michael Farmer Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by returning guest Michael Farmer, a renowned consultant and author with decades of experience advising both global agency holding companies and independent shops. Together, they pull back the curtain on one of the agency world's most persistent and problematic issues: the disconnect between the value agencies provide, the scope of work they deliver, and the fees they collect. Michael shares candid insights from his 30-plus years helping agencies navigate profitability challenges, particularly around scoping, resourcing, and pricing work appropriately. He recounts eye-opening stories from inside major agencies, including how a lack of clarity around deliverables and the overuse of creative resources can quietly erode margins—and ultimately, agency health. Michael breaks down his approach to rigorous scope management, explaining why developing a detailed, data-driven understanding of agency output is essential for both profitability and sustainability. Drew and Michael explore why so many agencies—especially large holding companies—fall into the trap of doing too much for too little, and why today’s independent agencies are uniquely positioned to break that cycle. Their conversation highlights how smaller agencies can differentiate themselves by adopting a consulting mindset, engaging more meaningfully with clients about business outcomes rather than just deliverables, and leveraging freelance talent for maximum flexibility. If you’re ready to move beyond being a “deliverable shop” and reposition your agency as a true strategic partner, this episode is a must-listen. You’ll walk away with actionable advice on scoping, pricing, business model evolution, and why now is the perfect moment for independent agencies to lead the industry forward by focusing on the work that truly moves the needle for clients. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Why agencies must shift from delivering quantity to delivering strategic value The dangers of undervaluing agency work and over-delivering for too little revenue The critical importance of scoping, pricing, and tracking deliverables accurately How smaller, independent agencies are positioned to outpace big holding companies The need for deeper alignment with client business goals, not just creative output Leveraging freelance and specialized talent to extend agency capabilities Preparing for the future: consulting mindset, strategic focus, and harnessing AI responsibly /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/38035625

Episode 516 Mastering Credit Card Points for Agency Owners with Julia Menez 08/24/2025

Episode 516 Mastering Credit Card Points for Agency Owners with Julia Menez Welcome to another enlightening episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan explores a twist on the usual business leadership topics by delving into the lucrative—and often misunderstood—world of credit card points and travel rewards. Drew is joined by Julia Menez, a points and miles strategist who specializes in helping business owners and high cash flow individuals stretch their credit card points for maximum value, especially when it comes to travel. Julia, a former actuary turned travel-hacking expert, brings her analytical prowess to the conversation, breaking down why agency owners are likely leaving thousands of dollars on the table by failing to optimize how they earn and redeem credit card rewards. Together, Drew and Julia uncover the most common mistakes agencies make, like fixating on specific airline cards or booking through credit card travel portals, and instead highlight how a flexible, strategic approach can unlock first-class flights and luxury hotels at a fraction of the usual cost. Listeners will get actionable steps on how to inventory their current points, choose the right credit card mix for their agency’s unique spending patterns, and use powerful online tools to research and book flights and hotels for optimal value. Julia also shares her personal tips for planning both business and family travel—whether you’re seeking a bucket-list lay-flat seat to Asia or a dream resort stay in Europe—plus why being open to new destinations and dates can yield incredible deals. Don’t miss this episode if you want to elevate your agency’s perks and personal travel experiences without blowing the budget. From maximizing signup bonuses to smart redemption hacks, Drew and Julia’s conversation will transform the way you think about your agency’s everyday expenses—and could help you turn business costs into unforgettable travel adventures. Grab your notepad, and get ready to make your points work harder for you! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Maximizing the value of credit card points for business and personal travel The advantage of flexible points over single-airline credit cards How to approach booking award flights for best deals (flights over the ocean, positioning flights, and flexibility on dates/destinations) Why business expenses offer serious potential for earning free or discounted business class flights The most common mistakes agencies and business owners make with points and rewards Tips for selecting the right credit cards and optimizing spend categories Tools, resources, and step-by-step strategies for DIY points travel planning /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37895495

Episode 515 Build Your Agency Dream Team for 2026 with Drew McLellan 08/18/2025

Episode 515 Build Your Agency Dream Team for 2026 with Drew McLellan Welcome to another episode of Build a Better Agency! In this special solo cast, host Drew McLellan tackles one of the perennial challenges and hottest conversations among agency leaders: how to strategically shape your agency team for lasting success. Drawing on decades of experience and access to the financial workings of hundreds of agencies, Drew provides listeners with a timely and insightful look at evolving team structures as agencies gear up for 2026. Drew shares fascinating trends shaping today's agency workforce, including the rise of smaller in-house teams, increased reliance on part-time employees, contractors, and global talent, as well as the impact of AI on traditional roles. He explores why the most profitable agencies typically have teams between 12 and 40 people, and details how agencies are leveraging a blend of strategic full-timers and specialized contractors to maximize expertise while remaining nimble. Throughout the episode, Drew challenges listeners to move beyond old paradigms of in-house staffing, instead embracing flexible models that respond to both economic realities and shifting client needs. Listeners will gain practical advice for preparing their own agencies for the future. Drew urges owners to focus on cultivating "Sherpa-like" team members—those who act as strategic guides and teachers for clients, rather than simply executing deliverables. He highlights the growing importance of nurturing a culture of continuous learning and adaptability, as well as prioritizing skills and problem-solving ability over traditional credentials in new hires. If you’re ready to future-proof your agency, enhance your strategic value to clients, and reimagine what a modern, high-performing agency team should look like, this episode is packed with actionable insights and food for thought. Whether you’re planning for next quarter or looking ahead to 2026, Drew’s thoughtful analysis and forward-thinking advice will help you start important conversations about the future of your agency A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Shifting agency team structures for maximum profitability The growing blend of full-time, part-time, and contract talent Leveraging global talent for specialized and technical roles The impact of AI on team composition and the “hollowing out” of the agency pyramid Evolving client needs: strategic partners and “Sherpa”-style leadership Rethinking hiring for skills and adaptability over formal education Building a learning organization to stay ahead in a rapidly changing landscape /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37836770

Episode 514 Building AI-Enabled Agencies with Greg Shove 08/11/2025

Episode 514 Building AI-Enabled Agencies with Greg Shove Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is joined by serial entrepreneur and AI transformation expert Greg Shove for a timely conversation that will change the way you think about integrating artificial intelligence into your agency. If you've been wondering how to move beyond surface-level AI experiments and truly future-proof your agency, this episode is a must-listen. Greg shares his unique journey from being a non-technical founder in Silicon Valley to steering his latest venture, Section, into the heart of the AI revolution. Drawing on real-life examples and client experiences, Greg breaks down the critical stages agencies must navigate to become truly AI-enabled—from overcoming workforce anxiety to moving entire teams from novice to proficient. He and Drew discuss why deploying AI isn’t like rolling out traditional software, the pitfalls of treating it as such, and why thoughtful, transparent leadership is essential in guiding teams through change. Listeners will walk away with practical frameworks like OAT (Optimize, Accelerate, Transform) to help assess where their agency sits on its AI journey and concrete steps for encouraging adoption across their team. Greg also provides actionable advice for evaluating the sea of AI tools on the market, empowering agency leaders to strategically experiment and prioritize high-value use cases without getting overwhelmed. Plus, they dig deep into the profound business model shifts AI will bring—and how being prepared to pivot can turn disruption into your agency’s biggest opportunity. Whether you’re anxious, excited, or somewhere in between about the rapid pace of AI, this episode will inspire you to lead the change confidently. Tune in to reimagine how you—and your team—can harness AI to drive efficiency, deepen client value, and stay ahead in a fast-transforming industry. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Navigating workforce anxiety and resistance around AI adoption Moving agency teams from AI novices to confident, proficient users Why deploying AI isn’t like traditional software rollouts Building a culture of experimentation and continuous learning with AI Prioritizing high-value use cases over chasing every new tool The importance of leadership engagement and transparency around AI Preparing for future business model shifts driven by AI innovation /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37743785

Episode 513 Lessons in Effective Agency Leadership with Karl Sakas 08/04/2025

Episode 513 Lessons in Effective Agency Leadership with Karl Sakas Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes back agency advisor and author Karl Sakas for a candid conversation about the unique challenges that come with agency ownership—and how to move “from chaos to calm.” Drawing from his years of agency operations experience and his new book, From Chaos to Calm, Karl helps agency leaders recognize how they sometimes get in their own way and offers practical advice for fostering a calmer, more rewarding agency environment. Drew and Karl tackle some of the biggest pain points facing agency owners today, including the ongoing pressures of lead generation, sales pipelines, and the often daunting task of succession planning. Karl shares observations from his work with hundreds of agencies around the globe, highlighting patterns he sees when owners get overly involved in daily operations, struggle with delegation, or fall into the trap of the “new idea of the month club.” The discussion offers actionable frameworks—from the three A’s of agency communication to the importance of idea quarantines after conferences—all designed to help owners empower their teams and stay focused on their unique role. Listeners will hear real-world examples and solutions for stepping back from micromanaging, setting clear expectations, and building trust within the team. Drew and Karl also discuss the importance of having a well-defined owner role and the necessity of planning for the agency’s future, whether that means bringing in outside leadership or preparing the business for sale. Their conversation is peppered with relatable stories, honest admissions, and tactical recommendations on how agency owners can intentionally create a less chaotic, more profitable, and ultimately more enjoyable agency life. Don’t miss this episode if you’re ready to break the cycle of self-created stress, clarify your leadership responsibilities, and lay the groundwork for an agency that thrives with or without you at the helm. Tune in to learn why the key to agency success just might be granting yourself permission to step back, strategize, and let your team shine. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Empowering agency teams through effective delegation—not abdication Breaking the cycle of “idea fatigue” and the dangers of constant new initiatives Clarifying the owner’s evolving role and setting healthy boundaries Planning for succession and agency sale well in advance Building a stronger sales pipeline and lead generation strategy Fostering team trust and avoiding micromanagement Creating a roadmap for agency growth that aligns with personal fulfillment /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37639660

Episode 512 Small Moments That Shape Leadership with Jeff Eisenberg 07/28/2025

Episode 512 Small Moments That Shape Leadership with Jeff Eisenberg Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan sits down with longtime friend and agency leader Jeff Eisenberg for a candid conversation about the art and practice of agency leadership. Whether you’re a seasoned agency owner or new to the business, this discussion is packed with real-world lessons and thoughtful perspectives that will help you elevate your leadership game and set your agency up for lasting success. Jeff shares the compelling journey that led him from sports marketing with major league teams to purchasing and running his own ad agency. Now, as he transitions into author, teacher, and mentor, Jeff unveils the leadership strategies and philosophies that have served him throughout his decades-long career. The focal point of the conversation is Jeff’s new book, Beyond the Big: The Tiny Moments of Leadership, which takes a fresh, practical look at how small, everyday actions define truly great leaders. Together, Drew and Jeff unpack the power of “tiny moments”—those micro-interactions and subtle choices that shape agency culture, empower teams, and foster real trust. They discuss actionable ways to be more present, why giving away power is essential, and how agency owners can break the habit of doing in order to focus on being and leading. Jeff also opens up about his own growth as a leader, offering relatable anecdotes, hard-won advice, and encouragement for leaders at every stage. Whether you’re planning for succession, looking to strengthen your core values, or simply hoping to increase your presence and impact, this episode is a treasure trove of actionable wisdom. Tune in for strategies you can start applying today, and get inspired to become the kind of leader your team will remember for years to come. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Embracing leadership as a series of tiny, everyday moments The power of vulnerability and humility in strong leadership Developing other leaders as a core responsibility for agency owners Transitioning from “doing” to “being” present as a leader Building and living authentic core values within your agency Creating a culture of honesty, care, and “carefrontation” The incremental, lifelong journey of improving as a leader /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37521810

Episode 511 How AI is Transforming Brand Storytelling with Park Howell 07/21/2025

Episode 511 How AI is Transforming Brand Storytelling with Park Howell Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes back storytelling and branding pro Park Howell for an episode packed with practical advice, fresh perspectives, and a live demo you won’t want to miss. Park, a former agency owner turned global storytelling coach, joins Drew to discuss how artificial intelligence is revolutionizing the way agencies uncover, shape, and operationalize brand stories—making the process faster, smarter, and more tangible than ever before. Park introduces listeners to his latest innovation, the Story Cycle Genie, an AI-powered tool built to transform months of intensive brand development into a streamlined, accessible process. Together, Drew and Park walk through a real-world example, using AMI’s own brand as a case study to demonstrate how the Genie analyzes existing content to reveal brand positioning, audience insights, emotional drivers, and actionable storytelling frameworks in minutes, not months. They discuss how the AI synthesizes agency websites, marketing materials, and other sources to uncover nuanced messaging and emotional resonance—while also surfacing areas for improvement that even seasoned agencies might overlook. Listeners will gain a front-row seat to the genie’s output and hear candid reactions from Drew as he reflects on the accuracy and depth of the insights. The conversation also covers the evolving agency-client relationship when AI is part of the creative toolkit, tips for leveraging AI tools to enhance rather than replace human-led strategy, and why clients are hungry for agencies that use AI to deliver better, faster results—not just cheaper ones. If you’re curious about integrating AI into your branding processes, want to get a sense of how your agency shows up to the world, or simply want to understand the practical benefits AI can bring to storytelling and positioning, this episode is for you. By the end, you’ll walk away with a new understanding of how technology can amplify your agency’s value and effectiveness—without sacrificing the human touch that sets your work apart. A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Harnessing AI to streamline and enhance brand storytelling for agencies Verifying, revealing gaps, and inspiring new ways to position your agency brand Using the story cycle framework to create actionable, measurable brand narratives How AI tools can accelerate strategic branding work from months to minutes Blending human insight and AI for more nuanced, emotionally resonant messaging Leveraging brand clarity and emotional promise to drive agency growth and client trust Exploring new business models and client services enabled by AI-powered brand strategy /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37448895

Episode 510 Key Strategies for Employee Retention with Drew McLellan 07/14/2025

Episode 510 Key Strategies for Employee Retention with Drew McLellan Welcome to another insightful solo cast of the Build a Better Agency podcast! This week, host Drew McLellan takes you deep into a cornerstone topic for agency owners: building, retaining, and growing an exceptional team. Drawing on real-world conversations with agency leaders and years of industry experience, Drew breaks down the full lifecycle of stellar employee management that every agency needs to thrive. Drew starts by revealing why agencies often miss the mark with generic job descriptions and lays out a compelling case for comprehensive, forward-thinking job documentation. He shares tips for crafting descriptions that not only clarify day-to-day expectations but also highlight growth opportunities, career paths, and clear metrics for success. You’ll discover why this clarity is key to motivating employees—and how it can help you retain top talent for the long haul. The episode then explores the critical steps beyond hiring: thoughtful onboarding, regular one-on-one meetings, and a robust review process that supports ongoing professional growth. Drew demystifies quarterly mini-reviews and annual evaluations, emphasizing the power of frequent feedback and targeted growth goals. He also shares actionable ideas for establishing genuine personal connections, such as his “Dinner with Drew” tradition, fostering a culture where employees feel truly seen and valued. If you’re looking for practical, actionable strategies to level up your agency’s employee experience and unlock deeper value from your team, this episode is a must-listen. Drew’s step-by-step ecosystem will not only help you develop happier and more loyal employees but will also empower you to drive agency growth from within. Don’t miss the downloadable resources mentioned in the show notes—your roadmap to a more engaged, high-performing agency starts here! A big thank you to our podcast’s presenting sponsor, . They’re an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners . What You Will Learn in This Episode: Crafting detailed, future-focused job descriptions to attract and retain top talent Driving employee engagement and growth through thoughtful career pathing Redefining onboarding with a deliberate, month-long approach Empowering employees and supervisors via structured biweekly one-on-one meetings Shifting from annual to quarterly reviews for real-time feedback and development Fostering deeper connections through intentional, informal social interactions Sharing professional development as a mutual responsibility between agency and employee /episode/index/show/buildabetteragency/id/37380640

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