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Dante, Blake, and the Power of the Imagination 12/31/2025

Dante, Blake, and the Power of the Imagination In this episode, John welcomes Mark Vernon to discuss his two books, 'Dante's Divine Comedy: A Guide for the Spiritual Journey' and 'Awake: William Blake and the Imagination'. They explore the profound psychological, philosophical, and spiritual insights offered by Dante and Blake, touching upon topics like pilgrimage, the imaginal, and the role of the imagination in renewing perception. Mark shares his experiences and how these works resonate with contemporary cognitive science and spirituality. The conversation delves deep into understanding the connections between ancient wisdom and modern thought. Mark Vernon is a writer, psychotherapist, and philosopher whose work explores the meeting point of spirituality, psychology, and philosophy. Based in London, his background in physics, theology, and psychotherapy shapes a multidisciplinary approach that bridges ancient wisdom traditions with contemporary understandings of the mind and meaning. 🔗 Learn more about Mark Vernon’s work: — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:00 Discussing Dante's Divine Comedy 02:30 Exploring William Blake's work 04:00 Mark Vernon's background and inspirations 07:00 The philosophy and impact of pilgrimage 10:00 Dante's pilgrimage and personal experiences 19:00 The nature of Dante's poem 24:30 Addressing controversial topics in Dante's work 31:00 The in-between and the imaginal 33:30 Triston's predictive processing 35:00 The brain's predictive nature 35:30 Deep learning and pattern recognition 36:00 Metacognition and future self 38:30 Blake's visionary experiences 39:00 The power of imagination 41:02 41:02 “We don’t hear sound waves — we hear meaning. That’s how strong the imaginal is.” 56:00 Confident imagination and fierce critique — is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Pilgrimage as a Path of Transformation The Divine Comedy as a Map of the Soul Knowledge Through Transformation, Not Proposition The In-Between and the Imaginal Realm Cleansing the Doors of Perception The Renewal of the Senses Theoria as Pilgrimage and Contemplation Innocence, Openness, and Inner Vision The Descent as a Hidden Ascent William Desmond – Philosopher of the Between Charles Taylor – A Secular Age Henri Corbin – The Imaginal vs. The Imaginary Ibn ‘Arabi – Sufi Visionary of the Heart Plato – Theoria and the Methu Aixis C.G. Jung – Synchronicity and the Soul’s Descent Seeing God Again for the First Time – John Vervaeke The Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 12 – The Faces of God The Philosophical Silk Road and Pilgrimage as Practice The Camino de Santiago and Shikoku Pilgrimage The Covenant of Return – Integration and Homecoming Threshold and Passage as Spiritual Acts The Face of the World and the Call to Change Your Life — Follow John Vervaeke: | | | — Thank you for watching! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/39569630

Cultivating Virtue in Educational Practice with Ethan Hsieh 12/17/2025

Cultivating Virtue in Educational Practice with Ethan Hsieh To learn directly from Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to… perceive what matters regulate in real time and act with clarity …through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness. Learn more about the program here: In part three of the Lectern Dialogues series, John Vervaeke and Ethan Hsieh explore how virtue can be cultivated as a lived, embodied practice through an immersive ecology of education. The focus is on layered accounts of virtue — civic, purification, and illumination — and the role of ritual, altered states, and phenomenology in shaping meaning and sacredness. The conversation also addresses the risks of deification, authenticity loss, and cult dynamics, inviting a participatory, relational understanding of education oriented toward wisdom and agency. Ethan Hsieh Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner whose work bridges performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. As the creator of TIAMAT—a three-tiered developmental framework—he integrates insights from performance practice, cognitive science, and dialogical philosophy to help individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life. Through immersive training containers and collaborative inquiry, he guides participants in mapping their inner experience, expanding their relational capacities, and enacting what he calls “postures of presence.” Ethan’s approach emphasizes participatory learning, metacognitive mapping, and the cultivation of agency through shared practice. His work with the collective 5toMidnight seeks to foster deliberately developmental communities grounded in relational ontology, where philosophical understanding becomes lived transformation. — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 02:00 Exploring virtue and sacredness 04:00 Layers of virtue and practice 06:00 Rituals and altered states of consciousness 10:30 Phenomenology and the sacred 18:00 Transformative insight and lived experience 30:30 Being-in-the-world and interconnectedness 38:00 Framework rejection and deification concerns 40:30 Ego, deification, and demonization 41:00 Virtue and the ego’s filtration function 44:00 Addressing cult dynamics 46:00 Identifying healthy traditions and practices 51:30 Realness, resonance, and authenticity 55:00 Logos and the Good 01:06:00 The value of embodied experience — Follow John Vervaeke — Thank you for watching! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/39442225

Silk Road Seminar - Nicole Baden 11/29/2025

Silk Road Seminar - Nicole Baden Thank you for joining us LIVE for this special Lectern Launch Event with Nicole Baden and Dr. John Vervaeke. Nicole Baden is a contemplative teacher, somatic practitioner, and long-time collaborator within the ecology-of-practices community. Her work focuses on integrating embodiment, meditative discipline, trauma-informed techniques, and transformative dialogue into cohesive pathways for personal and interpersonal growth. Nicole’s teaching draws from a diverse lineage of contemplative traditions while remaining grounded in modern cognitive science, offering students practices that cultivate presence, resilience, and deeper relational intelligence. She serves as a central facilitator in the emerging praxis-based ecosystem surrounding John’s work, helping individuals bridge the gap between insight and lived transformation. Nicole has contributed to multiple training programs, workshops, and practice communities dedicated to cultivating wisdom, awakening meaning, and fostering healthier patterns of being in the world. Her approach emphasizes sincerity, stability, and the cultivation of embodied understanding. Her new channel featuring Dharma talks, guided practices, and reflections: Dharma Academy — Nicole’s Online School Courses, teachings, and practice resources offered by Nicole: Crestone Mountain Zen Center Nicole Zen practice center in Colorado: Silk Road Seminars and Lectern Events are live gatherings where John weaves together his latest theoretical explorations, practical frameworks, and community initiatives with contributions from distinguished guests. These sessions stream live on YouTube and are followed by an exclusive Q&A where participants can ask questions directly to John and his guest. To be included on the Q&A guest list, you can join at the Gamma Tier (and above) on The Lectern: [https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge]( Free Student Access: Currently enrolled university students at all levels (up to doctoral studies) receive free access to the Q&A. To join, email your proof of student identity to: [ethan@vervaekefoundation.org](mailto:ethan@vervaekefoundation.org) If you would like to support John’s work purely out of goodwill, please consider joining the Patreon: John Vervaeke: Website: Twitter: YouTube: Patreon: /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/39346585

LIVE TIAMAT X Q&A with Ethan Hsieh 11/26/2025

Cultivating Virtuosity: Integrating Philosophy into Everyday Life 11/22/2025

Cultivating Virtuosity: Integrating Philosophy into Everyday Life Led by Ethan Hsieh, John Vervaeke and Taylor Barratt, The Lectern is partnering with 5ToMidnight to offer a long form hybrid (online/in-person) practice program called TIAMAT-X. This program brings a full ecology of practices, endorsed by The Vervaeke Foundation to help you develop the capacity to… perceive what matters regulate in real time and act with clarity …through a cohesive method that weaves together mindful dialogue, embodiment, imaginal practice, and disciplined mindfulness. Learn more about the program here: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/courses/tiamat-x In part two of the Lectern Dialogues series, Ethan introduces two ex-participants, now facilitators-in-training, Rens and Ellie, as the discussion continues on how to bring virtuosity to virtue and transform philosophical understanding into a way of life. The focus is on Ethan's TIAMAT process, a three-tiered pedagogical approach integrating performance and cognitive science into living practices. The conversation dives into the importance of overcoming habitual thought patterns, unlocking agency, and the participatory nature of this transformative work. Through shared experiences and reflections, they contrast the program's approach to that of traditional therapy, emphasizing complexification, relational ontology, and distributed trust and empowerment. The episode illustrates the depth and communal aspects of Tier 2 of TIAMAT and its impact on personal growth and relationships. Ethan Hsieh Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner whose work bridges performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. As the creator of the TIAMAT process—a three-tiered developmental framework—he integrates insights from performance practice, cognitive science, and dialogical philosophy to help individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life. Through immersive training containers and collaborative inquiry, he guides participants in mapping their inner experience, expanding their relational capacities, and enacting what he calls “postures of presence.” Ethan’s approach emphasizes participatory learning, metacognitive mapping, and the cultivation of agency through shared practice. His work with the collective 5toMidnight seeks to foster deliberately developmental communities grounded in relational ontology, where philosophical understanding becomes lived transformation. — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:00 Introducing Ethan's collaborators: Rens and Ellie 02:00 The TIAMAT process: Integrating virtuosity and virtue 03:00 Ethan's journey and collaborations 07:30 Rens’s and Ellie’s backgrounds and contributions 11:00 Meta maps and philosophical frameworks 12:04 "Meta maps are a kind of structure for your metacognition to be able to at least have touch points to map your experience." 15:00 The role of participation and feedback 26:00 Therapy vs. TIAMAT: a comparative discussion 40:00 Exploring ambiguity and complexity 42:30 Therapy and empowering agency 46:00 Deliberately developmental civilization 47:30 Shadow work and its misconceptions 52:00 Tier two dynamics and personal growth 01:06:00 Facilitating and participating in growth — Follow John Vervaeke — Thank you for watching! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/39346745

Lectern Live Launch Event — Reflections, Updates, and a Major Announcement 11/22/2025

A Thorough Critique of Popular and Psychological Accounts of Meaning of Life 11/07/2025

A Thorough Critique of Popular and Psychological Accounts of Meaning of Life This is John’s second video essay, and it delivers a thorough critique of contemporary theories of meaning in life. With his student Arjun Arora assisting, John dismantles the standard psychological and folk categories — purpose, coherence, significance, and mattering — showing why they fall short of capturing the depth of what “meaning” actually is. Arjun Arora is a cognitive science and physics scholar whose work bridges science, philosophy, and the search for meaning. As a student collaborator of Dr. John Vervaeke at the University of Toronto, Arora explores questions at the intersection of cognitive science, metaphysics, and existential psychology. His research focuses on the nature of meaning in life. — 00:00 Welcome to the Lectern 01:16 “What makes a life worth living, even when we are faced by frustrations, failures, and our faults?” 01:30 Meet Arjun Arora 03:00 Critiquing the standard model of meaning in life 04:30 Purpose and orientation 06:00 Coherence and its challenges 08:00 Significance and mattering 11:30 Meaning in life vs. meaning of life 14:30 Worldviews and meta meaning systems 17:00 The role of affordance and adaptivity 22:00 The normativity of meaning in life 47:00 The developmental dimension of meaning in life 52:00 Exploring the connection between wisdom and meaning 52:30 Modal confusion and existential modes 53:00 The having mode vs. the being mode 53:30 The cost of modal confusion 55:00 Existential resilience and meaning in life 58:00 The normative aspect of meaning 01:04:00 The role of trust and belonging in meaning 01:08:00 The problem with the current meaning in life construct 01:12:30 The need for a new metaphysics 01:43:00 The importance of phenomenology in meaning 01:45:00 Concluding thoughts and future directions — is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Philosophical Silk Road Intersection of Neo-Platonism and Judaism Ibn Gabirol’s philosophy of matter and form Fountain of Life and the concept of God Dialogical nature of reason Jewish mysticism and its influence Potentiality and actuality in Neo-Platonism Receptivity and creativity in philosophy Coupling of form and matter in existence Desire and the divine essence Logos as the “virtual engine” Purpose of mankind and knowledge Self-organization and complexity The mystery of the divine and analogy of language Ibn Gabirol (Avicebron) Sarah Pessin – scholar, Theology of Desire Zevi Slavin – host/interlocutor Andalusian thinkers Fountain of Life Selected Poems of Ibn Gabirol Theology of Desire Books and literature on Ibn Gabirol generally — Follow John Vervaeke: | | | — Thank you for Listening! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38954275

Silk Road Seminar - Jonathan Pageau 10/23/2025

Silk Road Seminar - Jonathan Pageau Thank you for joining us for our monthly Silk Road Seminar! Today’s guest is Jonathan Pageau is a Canadian artist, writer, and public thinker exploring the patterns that unite art, symbolism, and meaning. As an icon carver and lecturer on symbolic thinking, Jonathan has become a prominent voice in the growing movement to recover traditional ways of seeing the world. His work brings together theology, myth, and modern culture to help audiences rediscover the sacred patterns underlying reality. He is the host of The Symbolic World, a popular podcast and YouTube channel where he examines culture, art, and current events through the lens of symbolism and story. Jonathan’s insights have made him a sought-after speaker at universities, conferences, and major podcasts, including appearances on Jordan Peterson’s podcast and The Portal with Eric Weinstein. Beyond his media work, Jonathan is a skilled icon carver in the Orthodox Christian tradition, producing liturgical and commissioned pieces that embody the very principles he teaches. He is also the editor of The Orthodox Arts Journal and co-founder of Symbolic World Press, which publishes works on theology, philosophy, and art that bridge ancient wisdom and contemporary experience. Silk Road Seminars are a live event where John weaves together threads from his various theoretical conversations along with a distinguished guest. These hour-long conversations are live on Youtube followed by an exclusive Q&A, where you can ask questions directly to John and his guest. To be entered onto the guest list for these Q&As, you can sign up at the Gamma Tier (and above) on The Lectern at https://lectern.teachable.com/p/lectern-lounge Currently enrolled university students at all levels up to doctoral studies get free access to the Q&A. To gain access to Silk Road seminars, please email your proof of student identity to ethan@vervaekefoundation.org to be added to the guest list and watch previous seminars as well! If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our Patreon. . The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38903910

Virtuosity as a Way of Life | Ethan Hsieh and the Tiamat Process 10/17/2025

Virtuosity as a Way of Life | Ethan Hsieh and the Tiamat Process Something is coming: https://lectern.johnvervaeke.com/p/whatnext What if mastery isn’t about perfection—but about transformation? In this episode of The Lectern, John Vervaeke is joined by Ethan Hsieh to explore how the cultivation of virtuosity—typically associated with the arts—can become central to philosophical and existential growth. Ethan introduces his Tiamat process, a three-tier developmental framework integrating performance training, cognitive science, and dialogical practice. Together, they explore what it means to live a deliberately developmental life, moving beyond therapy into embodied transformation. Ethan draws from his background in acting, pedagogy, and philosophy to offer a new model of self-cultivation rooted in agency, feedback, metacognition, and trust. Ethan Hsieh is a facilitator, educator, and philosophical practitioner whose work bridges performance, cognition, and transformative pedagogy. As the creator of the Tiamat process, he integrates insights from embodied practice, developmental psychology, and dialogical philosophy to help individuals cultivate virtuosity as a way of life. Ethan is also a co-founder of Five to Midnight, a community of practice that fosters relational, developmental growth through shared inquiry. Learn more: - 00:00 – Opening and intentions 03:00 – Ethan’s background in theater and philosophy 07:30 – What is Tiamat? Three-tiered developmental model 11:00 – Mapping metacognition through embodied practice 14:00 – Why “meta-maps” matter 17:00 – Habituation and interrupting automaticity 20:00 – Tiamat vs traditional therapy 24:00 – Participatory transformation and co-regulation 29:00 – Why agency must be distributed 1:00:00 – Where transformation lives: tier two dynamics 1:05:00 – Closing reflections - Tiamat Process – Ethan’s developmental model blending performance, cognition, and feedback Meta Maps – Tools for mapping metacognition and lived experience Postures of Presence – Ethan’s term for enacted, relational awareness Five to Midnight – Ethan’s practice-based community: Deliberately Developmental Civilization – Concept by Ken Wilber & Dustin Dene Unified Theory of Knowledge (UTOK) – Metatheoretical cognitive framework: - Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned: Tiamat process Virtuosity and virtue Meta maps and metacognition Postures of presence Embodied transformation Relational ontology Distributed agency Participatory knowing Deliberately developmental civilization Complexification and growth Therapy vs. transformative practice Feedback and co-regulation Performance and philosophy Five to Midnight Unified Theory of Knowledge (UTOK) Ken Wilber Dustin Dene John Vervaeke - Follow John Vervaeke: /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38615540

Silk Road Seminar - Elizabeth Oldfield 09/30/2025

Silk Road Seminar - Elizabeth Oldfield Thank you for joining us for our monthly Silk Road Seminar! Today’s guest is Elizabeth Oldfield. Elizabeth Oldfield is an experienced leader, writer, consultant and podcast host with a passion for intelligent public engagement on issues of reconciliation, identity, and healing our common life. She is currently working with a range of organisations and individuals as a coach and consultant focused on building clarity, courage and connection. Elizabeth appears regularly in the media, including BBC One, Sky News, the World Service, and writing in Prospect Magazine, UnHerd and The Financial Times. She also hosts The Sacred, a podcast, events and visual content brand which creates space for a wide range of guests to reflect on their deepest values. For ten years she was Director of Theos, the UK’s leading religion and society think tank, where she was repeatedly accredited by Best Companies as a 3* (world class) manager, reflecting her commitment to building and leading flourishing, high performing teams. She spent the first part of her career working at the BBC in television and radio, contributing to programmes including Beyond Belief and the Moral Maze, as well as Radio 3 and 4 documentaries. She is motivated by the dearth of real wisdom in public life, by a desire to increase empathy across our deep differences and the way spirituality can help individuals and societies flourish. She has a masters in Theology and the Arts and lives in an intentional community in south London. She has spoken with John previously on UnHerd and you can watch the full conversation here: Silk Road Seminars are a live event where John weaves together threads from his various theoretical conversations along with a distinguished guest. These hour-long conversations are live on Youtube followed by an exclusive Q&A, where you can ask questions directly to John and his guest. To be entered onto the guest list for these Q&As, you can sign up at the Gamma Tier (and above) on The Lectern at Currently enrolled university students at all levels up to doctoral studies get free access to the Q&A. To gain access to Silk Road seminars, please email your proof of student identity to ethan@vervaekefoundation.org to be added to the guest list and watch previous seminars as well! If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our Patreon. The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: https://www.patreon.com/johnvervaeke /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38580050

Exploring Jewish Neoplatonism: The Life and Philosophy of Solomon Ibn Gabirol 09/19/2025

Exploring Jewish Neoplatonism: The Life and Philosophy of Solomon Ibn Gabirol Watch the first episode of our new season of Lectern Dialogues! This season’s guest is Zevi Slavin. Zevi Slavin is a philosopher, educator, and public scholar whose work explores the intersections of mysticism and philosophy across traditions. As the creator of Seekers of Unity, he is dedicated to reviving and reinterpreting the voices of philosophical mystics, with a focus on Jewish thought and its dialogue with Greek and Islamic philosophy. A leading voice in the study of Jewish Neoplatonism, Slavin highlights figures such as Solomon Ibn Gabirol, whose integration of poetry, metaphysics, and theology offers profound resources for contemporary seekers. Through his research and public teaching, he advocates for a unified vision of reality that transcends artificial divides between traditions, demonstrating how historical thinkers can inform modern life, meaning, and spirituality. Seekers of Unity YouTube Channel: The Zohar – Foundational text of Kabbalah: Lurianic Kabbalah (Isaac Luria): Sefer Yetzirah – Early Kabbalistic text: Each quarter, John engages in thought-provoking extended conversations with a leading expert in psychology, philosophy, and spirituality. Each season offers a unique exploration, bringing together their diverse fields of knowledge to create fresh insights and understanding. These in-depth discussions, chaptered for your convenience, offer nuanced perspectives and integrative approaches to navigating our complex world. The first episode is free and publicly available. To follow the rest of the season as well as gain access to previous discussions, you can sign up at the Beta Tier (and above) on The Lectern at Shownotes (00:00) Welcome to the Lectern (01:00) Philosophical Silk Road and Andalusian Thinker (01:30) Innovative Intersection of Neoplatonism and Judaism (02:00) Books and Literature on Ibn Gabirol (03:00) Ibn Gabirol's Philosophical and Poetic Contributions (03:30) “I really like about this is his idea of God as an inexhaustible fount of intelligible realness.” (04:00) Dialogical Nature of Reason and Selected Poems (05:00) Sarah Pessin's Work and Theology of Desire (06:30) Jewish Influence and Mysticism in Ibn Gabirol's Work (07:30) Philosophical Context and Relevance Today (08:00) Zevi's Perspective on Philosopher-Mystics (14:00) Discussion on Matter and Form (22:30) Potentiality and Actuality in Neoplatonism (35:30) Receptivity and Creativity in Philosophy (41:00) Exploring the Receptivity of Matter and Jewish Mysticism (41:00) The Coupling of Form and Matter in Existence (43:00) Desire and the Divine Essence (48:00) Logos and the Virtual Engine (52:00) The Purpose of Mankind and Knowledge (57:30) The Journey of Self-Organization and Complexity (01:11:00) The Mystery of the Divine and the Analogy of Language (01:22:00) The Legend of Ibn Gabirol's Death and Legacy — is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Philosophical Silk Road Intersection of Neo-Platonism and Judaism Ibn Gabirol’s philosophy of matter and form Fountain of Life and the concept of God Dialogical nature of reason Jewish mysticism and its influence Potentiality and actuality in Neo-Platonism Receptivity and creativity in philosophy Coupling of form and matter in existence Desire and the divine essence Logos as the “virtual engine” Purpose of mankind and knowledge Self-organization and complexity The mystery of the divine and analogy of language Ibn Gabirol (Avicebron) Sarah Pessin – scholar, Theology of Desire Zevi Slavin – host/interlocutor Andalusian thinkers Fountain of Life Selected Poems of Ibn Gabirol Theology of Desire Books and literature on Ibn Gabirol generally — Follow John Vervaeke: | | | — Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38275550

Why Reason Needs Spirit | John Vervaeke 09/05/2025

Why Reason Needs Spirit | John Vervaeke Thank you for joining us for this in-depth solo lecture from Dr. John Vervaeke, where he continues his exploration of cognition, meaning, and spirit from the perspective of relevance realization and predictive processing. In this talk, John takes us on a journey through the architecture of the mind, explaining how voluntary necessity, scientific idealization, and porous participation form the basis of how we understand ourselves and the world. He unpacks the imaginal dimension of cognition, the deep entanglement of anticipation and rationality, and how the fellowship of the spirit provides an existential framework for collective meaning-making. Drawing from philosophers like Spinoza, Merleau-Ponty, Charles Taylor, and William Desmond, and cognitive scientists like Carl Friston and Andy Clark, John interweaves modern theory with ancient insight to offer a profound vision of how reason, imagination, and love can coexist. Shownotes: 00:00 – Introduction and Opening Remarks 01:17 – Welcoming Remarks 02:59 – The Role of Idealization in Science 04:23 – Predictive Processing and Meta Problems 05:59 – Anticipation and Relevance Realization 16:15 – Opponent Processing and Optimal Grip 20:13 – The Imaginal and Rationality 23:03 – Relevance Realization and Enlightenment Rationality 23:31 – The Dichotomies of Modernity 25:31 – Voluntary Necessity Explained 28:39 – The Role of Faith and Spirit 31:41 – The Levels of Human Existence 41:19 – The Power of Community and Shared Meaning 50:44 – Fellowship of the Spirit 1:12:00 – Closing Reflections on Community as Icon of Reality Referenced Works and Concepts: Books and Authors: "True Enough" – Catherine Elgin "Sources of the Self" and "A Secular Age" – Charles Taylor "Phenomenology of Perception" – Maurice Merleau-Ponty "Ethics" – Spinoza () "The Reasons of Love" – Harry Frankfurt "The Construction of Social Reality" – John Searle "Being and the Between" – William Desmond Thinkers and Researchers: Carl Friston – Free Energy Principle Andy Clark – Predictive Mind Eric Hoel – Consciousness and Science Michael Levin – Bioelectric Cognition Dan Chiappe – Reasoning and Dialogue Mark Miller – Relevance Realization Anderson Deasy & John Geiger – Sensed Presence Core Concepts: Predictive Processing Relevance Realization 4E Cognition (Embodied, Embedded, Enacted, Extended) Voluntary Necessity Imaginal Participation Opponent Processing Internal Family Systems (IFS) Narrative Selfhood Fellowship of the Spirit Related Series and Resources: Awakening from the Meaning Crisis: Philosophical Silk Road: Explore Further: The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Learn more: To engage in regular practices informed and endorsed by John, visit Awaken to Meaning: Follow John Vervaeke: Website: Twitter: YouTube: Patreon: /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38099105

Silk Road Seminar - Rick Repetti 08/27/2025

Navigating the Trust Apocalypse: Examining Collective Agency and Distributed Cognitio 08/13/2025

Navigating the Trust Apocalypse: Examining Collective Agency and Distributed Cognitio How do we rebuild trust and meaning in a world where certainty and connection are breaking down? In this episode of The Lectern, John welcomes Kieran McCammon and Jordan Hall to discuss the 'trust apocalypse' and its intersection with the meaning crisis. They delve into the vicious cycle between the loss of trust and the fragmentation of communities, exploring how these issues reverberate through society. Kieran introduces his work on the Trust Foundation, which aims to address these challenges by leveraging collective agency, distributed cognition, and extended distributed labor. John and Jordan bring their expertise to discuss the deeper topics related to trust, faith, and the sacred, and how these concepts tie into addressing contemporary societal issues. They also highlight how we are at a pivotal moment where new forms of technology and community organization could help counteract the prevailing distrust and meaning crisis. Jordan Hall is a futurist, systems strategist, and cultural philosopher exploring the deep structures shaping human coordination, meaning-making, and collective intelligence. A former tech executive and early internet pioneer, Jordan now works at the intersection of theory and practice, developing frameworks for catalytic communities capable of responding to complex, civilizational-scale challenges. His work emphasizes the collapse of trust-based and certainty-driven systems, proposing instead a reorientation toward spirit-infused participation, sacred purpose, and voluntary necessity. A key contributor to the Trust Foundation, Jordan draws on cybernetics, epistemology, and meta-theory to guide the emergence of post-bureaucratic forms of social coherence and institutional renewal. Keiron McCammon is a technology entrepreneur and systems thinker whose work addresses the intersection of social trust, digital infrastructure, and collective agency. A veteran of Silicon Valley’s early Web 2.0 era, he helped build the foundations of the social internet before turning his focus to the unintended consequences of digital connectivity. As co-founder of the Trust Foundation, Keiron investigates the societal breakdown he terms the "trust apocalypse," analyzing how technological design, institutional failure, and civic fragmentation have eroded our collective sense of meaning and belonging. Drawing on frameworks from network theory, systems thinking, and military innovation, his work catalyzes action-oriented communities aimed at rebuilding trust across personal, institutional, and technological domains. (00:00) – Introduction and excitement for the conversation (00:30) – Introducing Kieran McCammon and the trust apocalypse (01:30) – Exploring the trust apocalypse and its implications (04:00) – Kieran's background and the evolution of trust issues (05:00) – The role of technology and the breakdown of trust (06:30) – The Trust Foundation and catalytic communities (11:00) – The deep connection between trust and meaning (18:00) – Historical context and the collapse of certainty (28:00) – The need for a shared sacred canopy (30:50) – “A catalytic community can’t exist without a calling—a sacred purpose that’s bigger than any one of us.” (39:00) – Challenges of technology and cross-cultural pluralism (47:30) – Exploring voluntary necessity (49:00) – Certainty vs. trust (50:30) – The breakdown of societal trust (52:00) – The role of technology in trust erosion (54:00) – The attention economy and trustworthy AI (01:02:00) – The concept of abundance vs. scarcity (01:10:00) – Cultivating wisdom and trust (01:23:00) – The spiritual war and meaning crisis (01:27:00) – Call to action: building catalytic communities — is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Philosophical Silk Road Trust Apocalypse Meaning Crisis Collective agency Epistemology of trust Deep knowing by participation Certainty vs. trust Relevance realization Reflective equilibrium (between theory and practice Chris Lich Robert Putnam Clement of Alexandria Bishop Maximus Jonathan Pageau David Hume (implied via discussion on skepticism) G.W Leibniz and René Descartes (mentioned re: Enlightenment certainty) Team of Teams by Gen. Stanley McChrystal Bowling Alone by Robert Putnam The Upswing by Robert Putnam Tim Berners-Lee’s open letter on the internet Aspen Institute report on Information Disorder Follow John Vervaeke: | | | /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/37690545

Silk Road Seminar - Bishop Maximus 07/31/2025

Silk Road Seminar - Bishop Maximus Bishop Maximus is a theologian, scholar, and Orthodox bishop whose work bridges ancient Christian thought with contemporary philosophical inquiry. A leading voice in the revival of patristic epistemology, he focuses on the integration of faith and reason through figures such as Clement of Alexandria. His research explores how early Christian thinkers synthesized Greek philosophy with theological doctrine, offering compelling alternatives to modern skepticism. Bishop Maximus is a key contributor to the Philosophical Silk Road project, advocating for the transformative power of faith as both epistemological foundation and moral practice. In this episode of The Lectern, John Vervaeke welcomes Bishop Maximus for a compelling lecture on Clement of Alexandria and the epistemological foundations of faith. Delivered originally for a theological colloquium, Bishop Maximus explores how Clement offers a robust response to modern skepticism by rooting knowledge in voluntary, moral, and transformative faith. The conversation examines Clement’s relevance to contemporary issues in epistemology, metaphysics, and the philosophy of science. Vervaeke and Maximus also reflect on how Clement’s ideas converge with modern concepts such as relevance realization, voluntary necessity, and recursive intelligence. This episode delves into topics such as the problem of induction, the relationship between belief and choice, and the limits of rational demonstration—offering a fresh lens on revelation, reason, and reality itself. — (01:00) – How Bishop Maximus inspired the Philosophical Silk Road project (04:00) – Clement of Alexandria and the fusion of Greek philosophy and Christian theology (08:30) – Faith as a foundation for knowledge: critique of Enlightenment skepticism (12:30) – Clement’s response to Hume and the problem of induction (17:00) – Faith as preconception, intention, and intellectual assent (21:30) – Faith versus deterministic belief systems and heretical Gnostic views (25:00) – Voluntary belief as a moral and philosophical act (29:00) – The relationship between faith, will, and moral striving (32:30) – Faith as spiritual ascent and the precondition for rationality (36:30) – Clement’s view of revelation and divine reality (41:00) – Levels of faith and recursive participation in reality (45:00) – The symbolic structure of knowledge and being (48:00) – Concluding Clement’s view: faith makes the world intelligible and livable (53:00) – The necessity of large world “break-ins” and the case for prophecy (57:00) – Dialogue on voluntary necessity in reason, love, and normativity (01:00:30) – Faith as the practice of voluntary necessity (01:03:00) – Closing thoughts on recursion, symbols, and future discussions — is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Philosophical Silk Road Religion that's not a religion Epistemology and Faith as Epistemology Foundation of knowledge in faith Faith vs. Skepticism (especially Hume's skepticism) Induction and the problem of induction Voluntary necessity (Frankfurt) Relevance realization Recursive reality and symbolic recursion Faith as transcendence and revelation Neo-Platonism Agent-arena recursive relationship Realness as comparative judgment Aristotle Clement of Alexandria "Reason and Faith" by R.G. Collingwood Hebrews (book in the New Testament, quoted by Clement) "Contact with Reality" by Esther Lightcap Meek — Follow John Vervaeke — Thank you for listening! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/38078770

The Philosophical Silk Road: A Journey to Rediscovering Theosis and Sacred Pluralism 07/26/2025

The Philosophical Silk Road: A Journey to Rediscovering Theosis and Sacred Pluralism The Calling to Reorient the Self How can the sacred be recovered in a world fractured by autonomy and fragmentation? In this deeply personal episode of Kainos on The Lectern, recorded during a session hosted by Alexander Beiner on Kainos, John Vervaeke shares reflections from his recent pilgrimage across Europe—what he calls the Philosophical Silk Road. Weaving through sacred conversations and historic locations, he explores profound ideas like theosis, theoria, and voluntary necessity, inviting listeners into a lived philosophy of sacred participation. From Istanbul to Rome to Amsterdam, each location becomes a catalyst for insight and inner transformation. Vervaeke challenges the Enlightenment’s idolization of autonomy and points toward a new possibility: a spirituality of finite transcendence, rooted in embodied knowing and dialogical belonging. This episode offers a raw and unfiltered account of mystical experience, intellectual shift, and spiritual disorientation—all in service of rediscovering what it means to be in contact with reality, in its fullest, most sacred form. Find more of Alexander Beiner’s work at https://beiner.substack.com/ and https://www.studiokainos.com/. If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our Patreon. The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: Notes: (00:00) The Philosophical Silk Road: Opening Reflections (03:00) "You can go through not an argument, but a passage…and it causes you to fundamentally change how you’re seeing and being in the world." – John Vervaeke (03:00) (3:30) Reclaiming Theoria: Pilgrimage, Contemplation, and the Sacred (06:00) Encountering Maximus the Confessor in Istanbul (07:00) Sufism and Neoplatonism in Spain with Thomas Cheetham (08:00) Athens, Plato, and Embodied Practice (09:30) Rome, Bishop Maximus, and Descending into Mystery (11:00) Amsterdam, Spinoza, and the Liminal Threshold (12:00) Theosis as Transformation through Participation (16:30) From Autonomy to Theo-Agency: Voluntary Necessity (21:00) Dialogical Contact vs. Individual Expression (28:00) Toward a Shared Sense of Sacredness: Pluralism and Depth (32:00) Holding Finitude and Transcendence Together (36:30) Final Thoughts: Who Am I Now? Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in This Episode Maximus the Confessor Ibn Arabi Clement of Alexandria Gregory of Nyssa Jonathan Pageau Thomas Cheetham Charles Stang Bishop Maximus Jason Vervaeke Spinoza Plotinus Pierre Hadot William Desmond Samantha Harvey, Orbital Capobianco Julian Jaynes Drew A. Hyland Neoplatonism Theoria, Theophany, Kenosis, Henosis “Absolute Zero” Practice The Dialogical Self Agency and Communion Finite Transcendence Attribution This conversation was recorded during a session hosted by Alexander Beiner for Kainos. Learn more at https://beiner.substack.com/ and https://www.studiokainos.com/. /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/37561015

Agency, Communion, and the Dialogical Self 07/11/2025

Agency, Communion, and the Dialogical Self "To what extent is authenticity a solitary alignment with the inner self, versus a relational and dialogical process shaped through communion with others?" John Vervaeke, Gregg Henriques and Matthew Schaublin come together for a discussion covering the concept of authenticity. Matthew Schaublin presents findings from two studies, one of which employs a mixed-methods design to examine the interplay between authenticity, agency, and self-transformation through both narrative analysis and psychometric assessment. The findings reveal that authentic experiences are often marked not by internal self-consistency alone, but by themes of communion, deep relational connection, emotional resonance, and shared understanding. This challenges static, individualistic models of the self and instead supports a dialogical conception in which authenticity emerges through interaction and mutual recognition. The conversation also highlights how current psychological frameworks fail to account for the complexity of lived, meaningful experience. Together, Matthew, Gregg, and John propose a more dynamic, relational, and transjective understanding of selfhood and agency. Gregg R. Henriques is an American psychologist. He is a professor for the Combined-Integrated Doctoral Program at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia, US. Matthew Schaublin is a master’s candidate in psychology at the University of Chattanooga, with a four-year research focus on authenticity. His work blends empirical psychology with philosophical and classical inquiry, investigating how dispositional authenticity is expressed and experienced. Notes: (0:00) Introduction to the Lectern (0:20) John Gives a Recap of Part One: (2:00) Study Design Explained (3:30) Communion in Transformative Moments (5:00) Data Collection and Analysis (7:00) Agency in Authentic vs. Transformative (10:30) Coding the Self - Agency, Communion, and Authenticity Themes (15:00) Themes of Being Unauthentic (16:30) Gregg on Persona, Ego, and the Influence Matrix (21:00) Philosophical Roots of Authenticity (25:00) The Limits of Reductionism - A Mixed Methods Defense (34:30) The Justification Machine - Interpretation and Cognitive Framing (38:30) Narratives of Agency and Self-Actualization (42:00) Communal Connections and Authenticity (44:30) Intimacy and Affiliation (55:00) Predicting Agency in Narratives (58:30) Statistical Findings - Self-Alienation, Agency, and Thematic Expression (1:02:00) Significant Findings and Interpretations (1:15:00) Concluding Thoughts and Future Directions --- Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our . is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: | | | Gregg Henriques: | Matthew Shaublin: Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode The concept of authenticity Communion Carl Rogers Charles Taylor Wilton & McAdams Albert Borgmann Julian Jaynes Self-alienation The dialogical self Authenticity Narrative identity Quotes: “ We tend to leap into the narrative and we ignore this sort of internal dialogue that's going on that makes the narrative actually run in an important way.” - John Vervaeke “That's what intimacy is, transcending the general social conventions and finding the real particulate resonance that person A would have with person B.” - Gregg Henriques /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36096170

The Crisis of Being 06/27/2025

The Crisis of Being The Crisis of Being James Filler is a philosopher, theologian, and leading voice in metaphysics and post-Cartesian thought, specializing in substance ontology, the meaning crisis, and relational models of reason. With a PhD in philosophy and expertise in ancient and contemporary ontology, Filler is the author of Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being Relation as Ontological Ground and Substance Ontology and the Crisis of Reason. His work traces the genealogical roots of modern nihilism and skepticism while advancing a powerful case for relationality, participation, and non-discursive forms of knowing. As a teacher and scholar, he brings clarity and compassion to some of the most pressing philosophical and spiritual questions of our time. James Filler: | Each quarter, John engages in thought-provoking extended conversations with a leading expert in psychology, philosophy, and spirituality. Each season offers a unique exploration, bringing together their diverse fields of knowledge to create fresh insights and understanding. These in-depth discussions, chaptered for your convenience, offer nuanced perspectives and integrative approaches to navigating our complex world. The first episode is free and publicly available. To follow the rest of the season as well as gain access to previous discussions, you can sign up at the Beta Tier (and above) on The Lectern at the . If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our . The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. . If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. . John Vervaeke: | | | John Vervaeke is joined by philosopher and theologian James Filler to expose the hidden roots of the modern meaning crisis. Together, they trace a powerful philosophical arc from ancient substance ontology to today’s widespread nihilism, skepticism, and isolation. James reveals how centuries of prioritizing “being” over “relation” have led to an inward collapse of reason, relationality, and the self. John and James unpack how non-discursive knowing, theosis, and participatory truth can restore wholeness beyond representational models of mind. They explore the role of liturgy, love, and vertical epistemology as practices that reawaken our connection to what is most real. This Lectern is a profound inquiry into what it means to become truly human—and how we might recover the sacred not through belief, but through transformation. Notes: (00:00) Welcome to The Lectern (00:30) James Filler's Work (02:30) Impact of Substance Ontology (07:00) Cartesian Dualism and Its Consequences (10:30) Critique of Modern Rationality (13:30) Relationality and Knowledge (16:00) The Role of Non-Discursive Reasoning (24:00) Ethics and Becoming Truly Human (40:30) Participatory Knowing and Liturgy (42:00) Secularism and Substance Ontology (44:30) The Buffered Self and Modernity (48:00) Self-Transcendence and Theosis (51:00) Critique of Substance Ontology (01:00:00) The Role of Liturgy in Modern Churches /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/37174035

Embarking on the Philosophical Silk Road: Exploring Pilgrimage and Theosis 06/13/2025

Embarking on the Philosophical Silk Road: Exploring Pilgrimage and Theosis This conversation marks the beginning of a deeper inquiry for Dr. John Vervaeke: What if pilgrimage is not a retreat from the world, but a return to what is most real? Joined by Ethan Hsieh, John explicates his intent to preregister his intellectual and philosophical orientation before beginning his metaphorical pilgrimage. Drawing on parallels with psychology's preregistration practice, John's aim is to document his internal state at various stages of his journey. The conversation delves deep into the concepts of theoria, theophany, and theosis, advocating for a pilgrimage that is not merely a lecture series but a 'meta-noetic passage.' The dialogue anticipates John's encounters with historical figures, sages, and the individuals who embody and interpret their legacy. John expresses his openness to how these encounters might transform him, acknowledging the potential psychological and physiological challenges involved. The dialogue also touches upon themes of the imaginal and the importance of community and fellowship in the pilgrimage process. Ethan contributes by drawing connections to broader themes of perception and philosophical inquiry. The conversation culminates in the hope that this philosophical and spiritual journey will not only deepen John's understanding but also inspire others to embark on their own explorative journeys. —- Notes: (00:00) Introduction to the Philosophical Silk Road (00:30) The Concept of Preregistration in Philosophy (01:00) Defining the Pilgrimage and Its Purpose (02:00) Introducing Ethan and the Dialogical Approach (04:30) Exploring the Original Orientation (05:30) The Challenge of Propositional Tyranny (07:00) Theoria and Theophany: Renewing the Senses (13:30) Meta Noetic Passage and Pilgrimage (20:00) Engaging with Sages and Geographical Perspectives (24:00) Personal Challenges and Psychological Defects (31:30) The Fellowship of the Pilgrimage (33:00) Interlocutors and Sages: A Deeper Dive (54:00) Introduction to Theosis (55:00) Historical Continuity and Henosis (56:00) Henosis and Kenosis in Christian Mysticism (57:30) The Paradox of Self-Transcendence (01:00:30) Theosis and Inner Athea (01:05:30) Personal Reflections and Burnout (01:09:00) The Concept of Unbinding (01:11:00) Non-Theism and Theism (01:25:00) Pilgrimage and Transformation (01:38:30) Reflections on Personal Growth (01:48:00) Concluding Thoughts and Future Questions If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our . The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. . If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. . John Vervaeke: | | | /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36989380

The Return of the Sacred: Mysticism, Tradition, and the Challenge of Modernity 06/06/2025

The Return of the Sacred: Mysticism, Tradition, and the Challenge of Modernity Ritual, Wisdom, and What’s Lost Sebastian Morello was trained in philosophy by Sir Roger Scruton and Andrew Pinsent. He is a lecturer, columnist, and popular public speaker in the United Kingdom and throughout Europe. Morello has previously co-authored books on subjects of philosophy and education. He lives in Bedfordshire, England, with his wife and children. Each quarter, John engages in thought-provoking extended conversations with a leading expert in psychology, philosophy, and spirituality. Each season offers a unique exploration, bringing together their diverse fields of knowledge to create fresh insights and understanding. These in-depth discussions, chaptered for your convenience, offer nuanced perspectives and integrative approaches to navigating our complex world. The first episode is free and publicly available. To follow the rest of the season as well as gain access to previous discussions, you can sign up at the Beta Tier (and above) on The Lectern at the . If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our . The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. . If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. . John Vervaeke: | | | Sebastian Morello: | "What practices and philosophical frameworks can help us recover a sense of the sacred in an age dominated by disenchantment and institutional collapse?" John Vervaeke and Sebastian Morello engage in an expansive dialogue that traverses the authority crisis in the Catholic Church, the enduring wisdom of Neoplatonism, and the transformative power of Hermetic practices. Anchored in Morello’s provocative new book, Mysticism, Magic and Monasteries, the conversation unpacks the “double crisis” of our time- one of meaning and one of sanctity, and argues that modernity functions like a spell that must be broken. Together, they examine how monasticism once offered a stable and embodied sanctity, and why recovering mysticism, ritual magic (in the Hermetic sense), and lived devotion might be essential for collective reawakening. Notes: (0:00) Welcome to The Lectern (0:30) John reconnects with Sebastian Morello (3:00) Sebastian Gives a Brief Introduction of Himself (6:00) Diagnosing the Double Crisis - Meaning and Authority (9:00) Critique of Modernity and the Catholic Church (12:00) The Loss of Embodied Wisdom in the West (20:00) Neoplatonism and the Need for Relational Ontology (26:30) Philosophical Anthropology and Cosmic Personhood (31:00) Modernity’s Ontological Truncation (38:30) Sacred Authority and the Failures of Clericalism (42:00) Monasteries as Alternatives to Institutional Collapse (49:00) Christian Liturgy as Baptized Theurgy (54:00) Hermetic Cognition - Practicing the Theocentric Vision (1:00:00) Recovering Sacred Imagery - Tarot, Ritual, and Mystical Space (1:04:00) Digital Gnosticism and the Threat to Embodiment (1:07:00) The Future of Privacy - Personhood, Property, and Charity (1:11:00) The Philosophical Silk Road - East-West Interpenetration /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36537425

What AI Can Never Be | John Vervaeke 05/30/2025

What AI Can Never Be | John Vervaeke Can artificial intelligence truly become wise? In this landmark lecture, John Vervaeke explores the future of AI through a lens few dare to examine: the limits of intelligence itself. He unpacks the critical differences between intelligence, rationality, reasonableness, and wisdom—terms often used interchangeably in discussions around AGI. Drawing from decades of research in cognitive science and philosophy, John argues that while large language models like ChatGPT demonstrate forms of generalized intelligence, they fundamentally lack core elements of human cognition: embodiment, caring, and participatory knowing. By distinguishing between propositional, procedural, perspectival, and participatory knowing, he reveals why the current paradigm of AI is not equipped to generate consciousness, agency, or true understanding. This lecture also serves as a moral call to action: if we want wise machines, we must first become wiser ourselves. Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our . — 00:00 Introduction: AI, AGI, and the Nature of Intelligence 02:00 What is General Intelligence? 04:30 LLMs and the Illusion of Generalization 07:00 The Meta-Problems of Intelligence: Anticipation & Relevance Realization 09:00 Relevance Realization: The Hidden Engine of Intelligence 11:30 How We Filter Reality Through Relevance 14:00 The Limits of LLMs: Predicting Text vs. Anticipating Reality 17:00 Four Kinds of Knowing: Propositional, Procedural, Perspectival, Participatory 23:00 Embodiment, Consciousness, and Narrative Identity 27:00 The Role of Attention, Care, and Autopoiesis 31:00 Culture as Niche Construction 34:00 Why AI Can’t Participate in Meaning 37:00 The Missing Dimensions in LLMs 40:00 Rationality vs. Reasonableness 43:00 Self-Deception, Bias, and the Need for Self-Correction 46:00 Caring About How You Care: The Core of Rationality 48:00 Wisdom: Aligning Multiple Selves and Temporal Scales 53:00 The Social Obligation to Cultivate Wisdom 55:00 Alter: Cultivating Wisdom in an AI Future — The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission: https://vervaekefoundation.org/ Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships: https://awakentomeaning.com/ — Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode: Jeff Hinton Jordan Peterson Keith Stanovich Michael Levin Stroop Effect Bertrand Russell Plato (Republic, Symposium) Predictive Processing Relevance Realization Spearman (1926) DeepMind (DeepSeek) — Follow John Vervaeke: https://johnvervaeke.com/ https://twitter.com/vervaeke_john https://www.youtube.com/@johnvervaeke — Thank you for watching! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36789685

Silk Road Seminar - Zevi Slavin 05/20/2025

Sacredness After Deconstruction 05/16/2025

Sacredness After Deconstruction Britt Hartley is a certified spiritual director, meditation teacher, and leading voice in secular spirituality, specializing in religious trauma, deconstruction, and nihilism recovery. With a Master’s in Applied Theology, doctoral work in Open and Relational Theology (ABD), and training across Sufi, Mormon, and meditation traditions, she is the author of No Nonsense Spirituality: All the Tools, No Faith Required and a respected scholar on Gen Z and the future of American religion. Britt Hartley: | | Each quarter, John engages in thought-provoking extended conversations with a leading expert in psychology, philosophy, and spirituality. Each season offers a unique exploration, bringing together their diverse fields of knowledge to create fresh insights and understanding. These in-depth discussions, chaptered for your convenience, offer nuanced perspectives and integrative approaches to navigating our complex world. The first episode is free and publicly available. To follow the rest of the season as well as gain access to previous discussions, you can sign up at the Beta Tier (and above) on The Lectern at the . If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our . The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. . If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. . John Vervaeke: | | | "How can someone rebuild meaning, a sense of the sacred, and genuine connection after religion, without having to adopt beliefs they no longer hold?" John Vervaeke is joined by Atheist Spiritual Director, Britt Hartley to explore what happens after belief falls apart. Britt shares her personal journey through suicidal nihilism and how mysticism, resonance, and play led her to rediscover meaning and orientation in life without needing to return to religion. John and Britt challenge the limits of therapeutic models, explore the difference between propositional truth and lived wisdom, and ask whether modern secular culture has lost the capacity to sustain sacredness. This Lectern is a philosophical act of compassion, bridging ancient spiritual technologies and contemporary existential pain. John and Britt offer pathways for transformation that bypass belief while restoring depth, connectedness, and awe. Notes: (0:00) Welcome to The Lectern (2:00) Meet Britt Hartley - Theological Background and Faith Crisis (5:00) The Descent into Suicidal Nihilism (10:00) Religion’s Collapse and the Meaning Crisis (15:00) Philosophical vs. Clinical Healing (16:00) Why Therapy ‘Fails’ the Nihilist (21:00) Religion, Secularism, and Building Your Own Path (26:30) Balancing Fundamentalism and Nihilism (31:00) ”The most spiritual atheist and the most deconstructed Christian, the space in between those two people when you actually look at their life is just a hair.” - Britt Hartley (34:30) The Triple Transcendent and Sacredness (40:30) Mysticism and the Sacred (45:30) Building a Life Worth Experiencing (53:00) The Role of Play and Resonance (55:00) Embodied Knowing and Existential Shifts (58:00) Trauma, Depression, and Resonance Recovery (1:09:30) Exploring 'Holy Envy' and Interfaith Learning (1:12:00) The Transformative Power of Sufism (1:19:00) Feminine Perspective on Religion (1:25:30) The Value of Tailored Spiritual Practices /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36192340

Hacking Humanity: Data, Desire, and the Future of Free Will 05/08/2025

Hacking Humanity: Data, Desire, and the Future of Free Will What happens when data knows us better than we know ourselves? In this raw and riveting conversation, John Vervaeke and Christopher Mastropietro sit down with Andy Russell — a former architect of data-driven persuasion — to expose how AI, behavioral profiling, and social media algorithms can hijack human desire, threaten our agency, and reshape our civilization. But there’s hope: what if the same power that manipulates us can be used to heal us? This episode lays bare the disturbing origins of persuasion tech, how it was used in politics and commerce, and what it will mean when AI takes the driver’s seat. Andy shares his personal reckoning, his brush with death, and how he’s dedicating the rest of his life to restoring dignity and meaning to the human experience — with spiritual urgency. Andy Russell is a serial entrepreneur and former insider in data and media technology. After helping build some of the very tools that now shape persuasion online, he experienced a profound moral and existential crisis. He now advocates for radical transparency, decentralized AI, and human-centered design as a pathway toward societal healing. Christopher Mastropietro is a philosophical writer who is fascinated by dialogue, symbols, and the concept of self. He actively contributes to the Vervaeke Foundation. aims to build tools and systems that foster a healthier relationship between humanity and technology. Notes: (0:00) Introduction to the Series (1:00) Andy Russell’s Journey — From Data Pioneer to Whistleblower (4:00) The Origin of Data-Driven Persuasion Tech (6:30) Persuasion and Political Weaponization — The 2016 Turning Point (9:45) How Data and Emotion Drive Modern Media Campaigns (13:30) “Turning Humans into Puppets”: Behavioral Influence at Scale (15:30) Personal Collapse — Andy’s Reckoning with His Role (18:00) Between Frodo and Boromir: Can Anyone Wield the Ring? (23:30) Toward a Better Future — Rational Hope and Distributed AI (28:00) Scarcity, Hoarding, and the Death of Trust (33:00) Can Social Media Unite Rather Than Divide? (36:00) AI as a Tool for Healing and Transformation (40:30) Free Will and the Power of Influence (47:00) Hacking the Human Soul — Fear, Desire, and Belief (51:00) The Ethics of Deep Behavioral Nudging (58:00) From Suffering to Forgiveness: The Power of Redemption (1:05:00) Andy’s Story of Survival and Purpose (1:10:00) Building the Fellowship — Why This Fight Matters (1:15:00) Final Reflections and the Role of Virgil Connect with a global community devoted to human flourishing. The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to the pursuit of wisdom and advancing our collective capacity for meaning. Join the mission: Explore transformative practice and reflection through Awaken to Meaning: Support John Vervaeke’s ongoing work: Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned: The AI Dilemma (Tristan Harris) Cambridge Analytica The Social Dilemma (Netflix) Plato’s Republic Dante’s Divine Comedy Oppenheimer Syndrome The Rwandan Genocide and Forgiveness Ho’oponopono (Hawaiian Forgiveness Practice) Sundae Labs Free Will, Desires, and the Meaning Crisis Personalized AI vs. Centralized Persuasion Tech /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36459480

Silk Road Seminar - Khalil Andani 04/28/2025

Lectern Q&As: The Virtue of Love | Featuring John Vervaeke, Ethan, and Ellie 04/16/2025

Lectern Q&As: The Virtue of Love | Featuring John Vervaeke, Ethan, and Ellie Welcome to a special installment of the Lectern Q&A! This month’s theme is Love as a Virtue and Existential Stance. This session dives into the nature of love—not just as a feeling, but as a participatory, person-making virtue that binds us to reality and each other. Joining John and Ethan is Ellie, who brings both a deeply reflective presence and insightful contributions to this exploration. Lectern Q&As are a monthly gathering where John and Ethan take questions from The Lectern’s members, threading through important themes that are most pertinent and perplexing to the collective. Pre-submitted questions form the bulk of the discussion with a Live Q&A segment toward the end. These conversations are particularly important for generating knowledge that is relevant both to John and The Lectern’s broader audience. To participate in these discussions live, submit questions ahead of time and gain access to previous Q&As by signing up at the Alpha Tier (and above) on The Lectern: If you would like to donate purely out of goodwill to support John’s work, please consider joining our Patreon. The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. If you would like to learn and engage regularly in practices that are informed, developed, and endorsed by John and his work, visit Awaken to Meaning’s calendar to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. Chapter Timestamps 00:00 Welcome and Opening Reflections on Love 02:45 Love as an Existential Stance 05:00 Love, Participatory Knowing, and Binding Identity 08:45 Eros, Philia, and Agape: The Three Movements of Love 13:00 The Person-Making Nature of Love 17:00 Love as a Doorway to the Sacred 20:30 The Transformation of Self Through Love 23:45 Somatic and Embodied Knowing of Love 28:00 Trauma, Attachment, and the Challenge of Loving Well 32:10 Secure Attachment and Love as Practice 37:40 Circling, Dialectic, and Learning to Love Wisely 40:15 The Role of Worldview in Love and Meaning 46:50 A GI, the Sacred, and What We Truly Love About Humanity 54:20 The Ecology of Religions and Participatory Pluralism 59:30 Final Reflections from John, Ethan, and Ellie Biographical Sentences John Vervaeke is a cognitive scientist, philosopher, and the creator of the YouTube series Awakening from the Meaning Crisis. His work focuses on wisdom cultivation, consciousness, and the scientific pursuit of meaning. Ethan is a co-host and facilitator of the Lectern Q&A sessions. He curates conversations that illuminate existential, psychological, and philosophical insights emerging from the community and John’s teachings. Ellie is a scholar and practitioner deeply engaged in environmental science, interpersonal growth, and attachment theory. She brings a reflective, embodied perspective to the conversation on love. Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Søren Kierkegaard John Bowlby, Attachment Theory Sue Johnson, Hold Me Tight, Attachment Theory in Practice Eric Fromm, The Art of Loving Thomas Kuhn, Paradigms and Worldview Albert Camus, The Stranger Martin Buber, I and Thou Taoism and the concept of the Dao as Mother Mahayana Buddhism, Bodhisattva path Sufism and Divine Love Socratic Knowledge and Dialogos Circling & Dialectic into Dialogos Lauren Barrett, Emotionally Focused Therapy Halcyon Guild Pluralism in religion and spiritual practice Connect with John Vervaeke Website: Twitter: YouTube: Patreon: Thank you for Listening! /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/36183005

Autonomy, Authenticity, and the Fragmented Self 04/09/2025

Autonomy, Authenticity, and the Fragmented Self If you find yourself torn between rationality and spirituality, science and mysticism, facts and belief; The Lectern's inaugural 8-week course will offer you a new lens through which to reflect on these dilemmas. Click here to enroll: “What does it really mean to be authentic, and can this virtue be meaningfully understood and measured across psychology and philosophy?” John Vervaeke, Gregg Henriques and Matthew Schaublin embark on a discussion covering the concept of authenticity. The discussion explores authenticity as one of the premier virtues of modernity, comparing it with autonomy, and tracing its roots through romanticism and existentialism, notably discussing Heidgegger and Kierkegaard. Greg introduces psychological perspectives and client-centered therapy influenced by Carl Rogers, while Matthew shares insights from his empirical research on dispositional authenticity carried out at the University of Chattanooga. The trio also touch on the tensions between self-identification and participation, self-alienation, cognitive fluency, and the societal quest for authenticity, proposing a nuanced and dynamic understanding of the true self. Gregg R. Henriques is an American psychologist. He is a professor for the Combined-Integrated Doctoral Program at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Virginia, US. Matthew Schaublin is a master’s candidate in psychology at the University of Chattanooga, with a four-year research focus on authenticity. His work blends empirical psychology with philosophical and classical inquiry, investigating how dispositional authenticity is expressed and experienced. —- Notes: 0:00 Introduction to the Lectern 0:45 Exploring the Concept of Authenticity 3:30 Greg's Perspective on Authenticity 5:00 Matthew's Research on Dispositional Authenticity 9:00 Theoretical Foundations of Authenticity 12:30 Philosophical and Clinical Perspectives 24:30 Relational and Psychological Dimensions 36:30 The Evolution of Self-Definition in Modernity 38:00 The Greek Roots of Authenticity 39:30 Modeling Authenticity and Personality 43:15 Rationalization and Authenticity 44:45 Tensions in Authenticity: Identification vs. Participation 49:00 The SAFE Model of Authenticity 55:00 Empirical Studies on Authenticity and Agency 1:06:30 Key Takeaways and Future Directions —-- Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our Patreon. The Vervaeke Foundation is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join Awaken to Meaning to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: Gregg Henriques: Matthew Shaublin: Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Kierkegaard’s Concept of Authenticity Heidegger’s Use of ‘Authenticity’ Maslow’s Theory of Self-Actualization Dispositional Authenticity The SAFE Model of Authenticity Alienation and Cognitive Fluency The Ethics of Authenticity by Charles Taylor On the Concept of Irony and The Sickness Unto Death by Søren Kierkegaard Being and Time by Martin Heidegger On Becoming a Person by Carl Rogers Martin Heidegger Charles Taylor Aristotle Jean-Paul Sartre Quotes: ”Like, meaning, like rational, authenticity is not just a descriptive term.” -John Vervaeke (2:00) ”Inauthentic living… Tough, you know.” -Gregg Henriques (28:30) /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/35908400

Silk Road Seminar with Tom Cheetham 03/26/2025

Redefining Human Flourishing: AI and the Meaning Crisis 03/14/2025

Redefining Human Flourishing: AI and the Meaning Crisis As AI continues to advance and integrate into our daily lives, can it truly be designed to align with our deepest human values and moral principles? If so, how can we ensure that AI not only understands but also respects and promotes our ethical frameworks, without compromising our privacy or hindering our personal growth and autonomy? John Vervaeke, Christopher Mastropietro, and Jordan Hall embark on a nuanced exploration of the intricate relationship between AI and human flourishing. They explore the concept of "intimate AI," a personalized guardian that attunes to individual biometrics and psychometrics, offering a protective and challenging presence. The discussion underscores the critical importance of privacy, the perils of idolatry, and the urgent need for a new philosophical framework that addresses the meaning crisis. Jordan Hall is a technology entrepreneur with several years of experience building disruptive companies. He is interested in philosophy, artificial intelligence, and complex systems and has a background in law. Hall has worked for several technology companies and was the founder and CEO of DivX. He is currently involved in various think tanks and institutes and is focused on upgrading humanity's capacity for thought and action. Christopher Mastropietro is a philosophical writer who is fascinated by dialogue, symbols, and the concept of self. He actively contributes to the Vervaeke Foundation. Notes: (0:00) Introduction to the Lectern (0:30) Overview of Today’s Discussion: Can AI be in Alignment with Human Values? (1:00) The Three-Point Proposal - Individual Attunement, Decentralized and Distributed AI, Guardian AI (6:30) Individual AI Attunement (8:30) Distributed AI and Collective Intelligence (8:45) Empowerment of Agency through AI (12:30) The Role of Intimacy in AI Alignment - Why Relationality Matters (22:00) Can AI Help Develop Human Integrity? - The Challenge of Self-Alignment (28:00) Cultural and Enculturation Challenges (31:30) AI, Culture, and the Reintegration of Human Rhythms (38:00) Addressing Cocooning and Cultural Integration (47:00) Domains of Enculturation - Psychological, Economic, and Intersubjective (48:30) ”We're not looking necessarily for a teacher as much as we were looking for the teacherly opportunity in the encounters we're having.” (51:00) The Sanctity of Privacy and Vulnerability (1:07:00) The Role of Intimacy in Privacy (1:13:00) Final Reflections --- Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our . is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: | | | Jordan Hall: | | Christopher Mastropietro: Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Christopher Mastropietro Jordan Hall Jordan Peterson James Filler Spinoza Marshall McLuhan Plato Immanuel Kant The AI Alignment Problem Decentralized & Personal AI as a Solution The Role of Intimacy in AI Alignment Enculturation & AI’s Role in Human Integrity Privacy as More Than Just Protection The Republic – by Plato Critique of Pure Reason – by Immanuel Kant The Idea of the Holy – by Rudolf Otto Interpretation of Cultures – by Clifford Geertz /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/35685925

Neoplatonism and the Ground of Relationality 02/25/2025

Neoplatonism and the Ground of Relationality What if the deepest truth of reality lies not in substances or isolated things, but in the pure relationality that connects everything? John Vervaeke is joined by renowned scholar Douglas Hedley to explore James Filler's groundbreaking work "Heidegger, Neoplatonism, and the History of Being." John and Douglas examine the profound implications of viewing ultimate reality as fundamentally relational rather than substantial, uncovering significant convergences between Heidegger's later thought and the ancient Neoplatonic tradition. The dialogue goes into how Neoplatonic metaphysics offers potent solutions to the philosophical dilemmas posed by modernity and postmodernity, and why the notion of strong transcendence is essential yet challenging in contemporary thought. Douglas enriches the discourse with reflections on imagination, symbolism, and theological significance within the Neoplatonic heritage. Douglas Hedley is Professor of the Philosophy of Religion at Cambridge University. He was educated at Keble College, Oxford and at the University of Munich, and has previously taught at Nottingham University. He is the Director of the Cambridge Centre for the Study of Platonism and co-chair of the Platonism and Neoplatonism section of the American Academy of Religion. Dr Hedley’s work centers on concepts of imagination, violence, and the sublime, and he has published widely, from early modern philosophy—particularly the Cambridge Platonists—to Coleridge. He is the Principal Investigator for the AHRC grant on The Cambridge Platonists at the Origins of Enlightenment: Texts, Debates, and Reception (1650-1730), and is co-editor of the Series Studies in Philosophical Theology. Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our . Notes: (0:00) Introduction to the Lectern (01:30) Douglas Headley's Background and Interests (03:30) Overview of James Filler's Argument (05:30) Critique of Substance Ontology (9:00) Neoplatonism and the Trinity (9:30) (10:30) Heidegger's Misreading of Plato (16:30) Heidegger's Theological Influences (26:00) Modernity, Postmodernity, and Transcendence (34:30) Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Neoplatonism (36:15) Pushback on the Trinity Concept (40:00) Greek and Russian Orthodox Traditions (43:00) Western Theology and Neoplatonism (49:30) Dialogical Model of the Self (55:00) Christian Neoplatonism and Love (59:30) Embodiment and Transcendence (01:04:30) Final Thoughts and Parting Words --- Connect with a community dedicated to self-discovery and purpose, and gain deeper insights by joining our . is committed to advancing the scientific pursuit of wisdom and creating a significant impact on the world. Become a part of our mission. Join to explore practices that enhance your virtues and foster deeper connections with reality and relationships. John Vervaeke: | | | Ideas, People, and Works Mentioned in this Episode Substance Ontology vs. Relational Ontology Heidegger’s Relationship to Neoplatonism James Filler's Philosophical Contribution The Trinity as Relational Symbolism Mysticism and Theology Embodiment and the Contemporary Crisis of Meaning James Filler Plotinus Iamblichus St. Augustine Marius Victorinus Jonathan Pageau "The Iconic Imagination" by Douglas Hedley "Participation in the Divine" "Process and Reality" by Alfred North Whitehead "Symposium" by Plato /episode/index/show/d0785b51-c8bc-4851-a061-e7c5db34338f/id/35424395

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