The Non-Obvious Show
Rohit Bhargava is on a mission to inspire more non-obvious thinking and to help you be more interesting. Every week we feature conversations with some of the world's most fascinating people.
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Sikh Wisdom and the Art of Understanding People with Simran Jeet Singh (#63)
12/09/2025
Sikh Wisdom and the Art of Understanding People with Simran Jeet Singh (#63)
In this conversation, Simran Jeet Singh discusses the importance of diverse storytelling, the challenges of navigating faith in public spaces, and the need for empathy and understanding across different communities. He reflects on his journey as an author and speaker, emphasizing the significance of vulnerability in storytelling and the complexities of representing a faith tradition. The discussion also touches on the balance between self-interest and service, the role of storytelling in disrupting bias, and the liberation found in letting go of control. Takeaways People often shut down when discussing inequality or racism. Personal storytelling can open up conversations about difficult topics. Sharing unique experiences can surprise and engage listeners. Listeners may recognize their own assumptions through storytelling. Engaging narratives invite personal growth and reflection. The speaker's story highlights the challenges of living with brown skin and a turban. Storytelling can create a bridge for understanding between different backgrounds. People are more receptive when they feel they are not being judged. Personal experiences can humanize abstract social issues. Growth can be a collective journey sparked by individual stories. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Simran Jeet Singh's Work 02:40 The Importance of Diverse Storytelling 06:12 Navigating Faith and Public Perception 08:54 Adapting Messages for Different Audiences 10:53 The Balance of Self-Interest and Service 13:59 Disrupting Bias Through Storytelling 17:26 Understanding Sikh Identity and Belonging 20:38 The Role of Vulnerability in Storytelling 23:06 Navigating the Burden of Representation 26:29 The Complexity of Evangelism 34:23 Finding Liberation in Letting Go of Control
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The Unlikely Rise of the Coach Brand and “Accessible Luxury” with Lew Frankfort (#62)
12/02/2025
The Unlikely Rise of the Coach Brand and “Accessible Luxury” with Lew Frankfort (#62)
In this episode, Lew Frankfort, former CEO of Coach, shares his journey of transforming Coach into a $5 billion brand. He discusses the concept of 'accessible luxury,' the importance of being an outsider in leadership, and the balance between magic and logic in business. Lew emphasizes the value of curiosity, purpose, and the greater good mindset in building a lasting brand. Takeaways Lew Frankfort was an unlikely choice to take over as CEO of Coach. Being an outsider might be the true key to leadership success. Coach opened their first store on Madison Avenue. Gen Z is value-driven and has a sense of purpose. Coach coined the term “accessible luxury” before going public. Coach wanted people to have belief in the brand. Coach built a culture of treating employees well. The greater good mindset requires belief and purpose. Chapters 00:03:00 The Concept of Accessible Luxury 00:09:00 Leadership as an Outsider 00:15:00 Building the Coach Brand 00:21:00 Magic and Logic in Business 00:27:00 The Greater Good Mindset
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Why The Secret To Success Is To Stop Competing: Featuring Ruchika T. Malhotra (#61)
11/25/2025
Why The Secret To Success Is To Stop Competing: Featuring Ruchika T. Malhotra (#61)
In this episode Ruchika T. Malhotra, an expert on inclusive leadership, sits down with Rohit to discuss her new book "Uncompete: Rejecting Competition to Unlock Success." They explore the concept of "uncompete," challenging the traditional competitive mindset and advocating for collaboration and community as pathways to success. Ruchika shares personal stories and insights on how societal norms and cultural backgrounds influence our views on competition, and how we can foster a more inclusive and supportive environment. Takeaways We're not hardwired to compete; collaboration is key to survival. The lone human surviving alone is a myth; community is essential. Uncompete is about being ambitious without sharp elbows. Cultural stereotypes, like the 'auntie' trope, shape our behavior. Systems often reward competition, but collaboration is more sustainable. Teaching kids a growth mindset fosters learning over competition. Personal stories can validate experiences beyond data and research. Men face a loneliness epidemic due to societal expectations. Inclusive language in writing can broaden audience reach. Success should be redefined to include community and collaboration. Chapters 00:03:00 Cultural Influences on Competition 00:09:00 Teaching Kids a Growth Mindset 00:15:00 Inclusive Language and Audience Reach 00:21:00 Redefining Success with Community
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Will Superhuman Intelligence Be Good or Bad for Humanity? with Nick Bostrom (#60)
11/18/2025
Will Superhuman Intelligence Be Good or Bad for Humanity? with Nick Bostrom (#60)
In this conversation, Rohit and Nick delve into the complexities of AI, existential risks, and the duality of optimism and pessimism surrounding technological advancements. Bostrom shares insights on the importance of focusing on humanity's future, the predictability of technological developments, and the need for a balanced approach to innovation. They discuss the role of philosophy in understanding technology and the challenges of staying current in a rapidly evolving landscape. Bostrom emphasizes the significance of addressing overlooked areas and the potential benefits of a public global investment model for AI governance. Takeaways Nick Bostrom identifies as a fretful optimist regarding AI. There is a duality in AI: significant risks and enormous potential. Many great minds are focused on less impactful areas like digital advertising. Bostrom aims to shine a light on overlooked innovations. The predictability of future technologies is often underestimated. Pandemics were not taken seriously before COVID-19, highlighting a need for preparedness. Technology has historically been a net positive for humanity. Philosophy, science, and technology intersect in meaningful ways. Bostrom is exploring the optimal timeline for AI development. Staying current in technology is akin to drinking from a fire hose. Chapters 01:13 The Balance of Innovation and Caution 03:07 The Duality of AI: Optimism and Risks 06:32 Shining a Light on Overlooked Innovations 08:37 The Predictability of Future Technologies 12:16 Navigating the Landscape of AI Development 16:54 The Intersection of Technology and Philosophy 18:41 Prioritizing Important Questions in AI 22:53 Staying Current in a Rapidly Changing World 24:46 Counterintuitive Insights from Nick Bostrom
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How To Have More Courage and Be More Bold with Ranjay Gulati (#59)
11/11/2025
How To Have More Courage and Be More Bold with Ranjay Gulati (#59)
This week's conversation explores the concept of courage, emphasizing that it exists within a context and is influenced by support systems. It also discusses how certain personality traits, often seen as inherent, can be strategic in helping individuals overcome fear. Takeaways Courage is contextual and influenced by external support. Personality traits attributed to courage may be strategic. Understanding the context can enhance our perception of courage. Support systems play a crucial role in fostering courage. Fear can be overcome through strategic personality traits. Courage is not just an innate quality; it can be developed. The interplay between context and personality is vital. Recognizing the strategic nature of traits can empower individuals. Courage involves pushing past fear with the right support. Exploring the dynamics of courage can lead to personal growth. Chapters 00:00 The Context of Courage 00:16 Strategic Traits in Overcoming Fear
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The Future of Storytelling (For Creators) with Charlie Melcher - PART 1 OF 2 (#58)
11/04/2025
The Future of Storytelling (For Creators) with Charlie Melcher - PART 1 OF 2 (#58)
This week's conversation explores the significant transformation in storytelling, highlighting a shift from traditional, passive media consumption to immersive, interactive experiences that empower audiences and foster social connections. Takeaways We are experiencing a renaissance in storytelling. There is a paradigm shift in how stories are created and consumed. Traditional media was flat and passive. The new media landscape is immersive and interactive. Audiences now have agency in their storytelling experiences. Stories are becoming more embodied and responsive. The shift is leading to more social interactions around stories. Transformative experiences are at the core of new storytelling. The evolution of media is changing our relationship with stories. This change is significant for both creators and consumers. Chapters 00:00 The Flourishing of Human Creativity 00:12 Finding Immersive Experiences 00:34 The Renaissance of Storytelling
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The Future of Exploration [LIVE] - What Will Human Discovery Look Like In the Next Decade? (#57)
10/28/2025
The Future of Exploration [LIVE] - What Will Human Discovery Look Like In the Next Decade? (#57)
This conversation delves into the future of exploration, focusing on the ocean and space, and the importance of self-discovery and equity in these fields. Layne Beachley, a legendary surfer, and Dawn McIntosh, a space systems engineer, discuss their experiences and insights on how exploration can be more responsible and inclusive. They emphasize the need to protect our oceans, the role of women in exploration, and the potential of virtual reality to enhance our understanding of the world. Takeaways Exploring the ocean demands self-reflection and awareness. Women's surfing embraces grace and flow over power. The ocean is vital for human life and should be protected. Exploration should include self-discovery and personal growth. Equity in exploration can lead to more diverse voices. Indigenous cultures offer valuable lessons for sustainable living. Technology can both help and hinder exploration efforts. Virtual reality can provide unique exploration experiences. The overview effect can inspire environmental protection. Collaboration is key in both ocean and space exploration. Chapters 00:00 Exploring the Depths Within and Beyond 13:31 The Future of Exploration: Ocean vs. Space 24:35 Equity in Exploration: Paving the Way for Future Generations 36:17 The Spiritual Connection to the Ocean 47:29 Virtual Exploration: Bridging the Gap
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Why the World Still Needs Human Experts with Dorie Clark (#56)
10/21/2025
Why the World Still Needs Human Experts with Dorie Clark (#56)
In this conversation, Dorie Clark discusses the significance of human expertise in an era dominated by AI. She emphasizes the need for long-term thinking and strategic planning, while also addressing the challenges of perseverance versus quitting. The discussion highlights the evolving landscape of expertise and personal branding, particularly in the context of generative AI's impact on media and content creation. Dorie shares insights on how individuals can maintain their relevance and distinctiveness in a rapidly changing world. Takeaways Expertise is crucial in a world increasingly influenced by AI. Long-term thinking is essential for personal and professional growth. It's important to create structures that allow for strategic thinking. Understanding what you don't want can clarify your career path. Perseverance is key, but knowing when to quit is equally important. Building a personal brand is more important than ever. AI can commoditize expertise, but human connection remains vital. Distinctiveness is essential to stand out in a crowded market. The future of media will require a focus on quality over quantity. Investing in your expertise can lead to greater opportunities. Chapters 00:00 The Importance of Human Expertise in the Age of AI 02:21 Understanding the Long Game 12:22 Navigating Perseverance and Quitting 12:53 The Value of Expertise in a Changing World 25:16 The Future of Media and Expertise
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How Anyone Can Be Funnier with Anne Libera from Second City (#55)
10/14/2025
How Anyone Can Be Funnier with Anne Libera from Second City (#55)
In this engaging conversation, Anne Libera, a comedy expert and director of Comedy Studies at The Second City, shares her insights on the art of comedy. She discusses the essence of humor, the science behind it, and how anyone can learn to be funnier. The conversation explores the changing landscape of comedy, the role of representation, and the importance of live performance in honing comedic skills. Libera emphasizes that comedy is not just about telling jokes but about connecting with audiences through recognition and shared experiences. Takeaways Anyone can use the tools of comedy to be a better communicator. Comedy is about more than just being a natural. AI can mimic jokes but lacks true comedic essence. Comedy is intentionally crafted to generate laughter. Recognition and shared experiences are key to humor. Live performance is crucial for developing comedic skills. The landscape of comedy is evolving with new voices. Representation in comedy inspires new talent. Teaching comedy involves understanding its core principles. Humor can be a powerful tool in professional settings. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Comedy in Communication 02:38 Understanding the Essence of Comedy 05:35 The Changing Landscape of Humor 08:40 The Science Behind Comedy 11:42 The Evolution of Comedy Writers 14:48 The Role of Second City in Comedy 17:32 The Journey of Becoming Funny 20:43 The Impact of Representation in Comedy 23:30 The Core of Comedy Teaching 26:23 Using Humor in Professional Life 29:14 Personal Insights and Non-Obvious Humor
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Why Successful Entrepreneurs Need To Give First with Brad Feld (#54)
10/07/2025
Why Successful Entrepreneurs Need To Give First with Brad Feld (#54)
In this episode of The Non-Obvious Show, the conversation explores the themes of transactional versus non-transactional relationships, the philosophy of accessibility, and the importance of responsiveness in communication. The speakers discuss the evolving definitions of accessibility, personal responsibility in relationships, and the shift in work-life balance. They delve into the 'Give First' philosophy, emphasizing the need to engage non-transactionally and the benefits of being a giver in entrepreneurship. The discussion also touches on the realities of success in the entrepreneurial world and concludes with non-obvious insights about the speaker's personal experiences and perspectives. Takeaways We live in a transactional world with zero-sum activity. Accessibility has evolved from being physically available to being engaged and interested. Responsiveness can lead to unexpected opportunities. Email remains a powerful tool for communication. Finding balance in life is often a myth; harmony is a better goal. The 'Give First' philosophy encourages non-transactional relationships. Givers tend to be more successful than takers in the long run. Mental health stigma in entrepreneurship needs to be addressed. Personal responsibility is crucial in maintaining relationships. Success is not solely defined by financial gain. Chapters 00:00 Transactional vs. Non-Transactional Relationships 01:28 The Philosophy of Accessibility 02:31 Deciding Where to Spend Time 05:32 The Importance of Responsiveness 09:36 The Role of Email in Communication 11:44 Evolving Definitions of Accessibility 13:51 Personal Responsibility and Relationships 18:15 The Shift in Work-Life Balance 22:06 Finding Harmony in Entrepreneurship 26:54 The 'Give First' Philosophy 30:59 Shifting from Transactional to Positive Sum 34:44 The Reality of Success in Entrepreneurship 40:03 Non-Obvious Insights About the Speaker
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Finding Your Calling In Work and Life with Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas (#53)
09/30/2025
Finding Your Calling In Work and Life with Christopher Wong Michealson and Jennifer Tosti-Kharas (#53)
In this episode, the conversation explores the concept of meaningful work, its definitions, and the impact of technology on the workplace. Philosophers and psychologists discuss the importance of understanding who benefits from our work, the pressures of finding a calling, and the cultural perspectives that shape our views on work. The discussion also touches on the implications of automation and the need for a societal perspective on meaningful work. Takeaways The more interaction with beneficiaries increases work meaningfulness. Non-obvious beneficiaries can enhance the perception of work value. Not everyone needs to find a calling to lead a meaningful life. Cultural upbringing influences our views on work. The pandemic highlighted the importance of essential workers. Technology can both displace and create new job opportunities. Meaningful work should be considered a human right. Work can contribute to the good life, but definitions vary. The classification of work as essential can impact self-worth. Exploring different career paths can lead to unexpected callings. Chapters 00:00 The Quest for Meaningful Work 11:40 Defining Work and Its Value 23:29 The Impact of Technology on Work 35:17 Cultural Perspectives on Work
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Where Humans Will Live In The Future with Parag Khanna (#52)
09/23/2025
Where Humans Will Live In The Future with Parag Khanna (#52)
In this conversation, geopolitical expert Parag Khanna discusses the importance of physical mobility for economic and social advancement, the dynamics of global talent migration, and the evolving landscape of urban living in the context of AI and climate change. He emphasizes the need for young people to embrace mobility as a skill and explores various unconventional destinations that offer promising opportunities. Khanna also reflects on the current state of the United States in the global talent war and shares insights on how nations can realistically improve their circumstances. Takeaways Physical mobility is the key to economic and social mobility. Relocating to places with greater opportunities significantly improves lives. Young people today are more mobile than ever before. Singapore is a model for urban living and governance. The war for talent is a historical norm, and the US must adapt. Mobility is a skill that young people should cultivate. Tbilisi and Baku are emerging as attractive destinations for youth. The future will be shaped by urbanization and AI integration. Countries must focus on realistic goals for development. Understanding historical lessons can guide future decisions. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Physical Mobility 02:56 Exploring Global Talent and Migration 05:45 The Journey of Self-Discovery Through Travel 08:42 Agency vs. Fatalism in Global Development 11:54 The Next Best Thing: Realistic Goals for Nations 14:41 Why Singapore is the Ideal Place to Live 17:39 Understanding Change in a Turbulent World 20:39 The War for Talent: America's Position 23:42 Encouraging Youth Mobility and Exploration 26:30 Unconventional Destinations for Young Travelers 29:38 The Future of Urban Living and AI 35:41 Navigating the Future: Integrated Visions for Society
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Why Every Business Needs A Good Strategic Enemy with Laura Ries (#51)
09/16/2025
Why Every Business Needs A Good Strategic Enemy with Laura Ries (#51)
In this episode, Laura Ries discusses the importance of differentiation in marketing, emphasizing the need for businesses to identify a strategic enemy in order to stand out in their sector. She reflects on her family's legacy in positioning, the balance between creativity and positioning, and the dangers of line extensions. Laura shares insights on successful brand strategies, the significance of simplicity, and the power of saying no to maintain brand integrity. The discussion also touches on partnerships, branding strategies, and a case study on Nvidia's success, culminating in thoughts on building a lasting legacy in business. Takeaways There's always an opportunity to do something different. Choosing a strategic enemy can help a brand stand out. Positioning is about understanding consumer perception. Line extensions can dilute a brand's identity. Successful brands maintain a clear anchor in their messaging. Simplicity in messaging is key to consumer understanding. Saying no can protect a brand's integrity. Partnerships can coexist with competition in branding. Brand names should reflect consumer desires, not corporate ego. Time management is crucial for brand success. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Differentiation 02:30 The Legacy of Positioning 04:40 Creativity vs. Positioning 07:16 The Dangers of Line Extensions 10:32 Successful Line Extensions: When to Expand 12:30 Understanding Brand Trust 15:35 The Importance of Simplicity 19:52 The Power of Saying No 22:30 Family Legacy in Business 25:51 Partnerships vs. Competition 28:12 Branding and Naming Strategies 31:02 Case Study: Nvidia's Success 35:26 Building a Lasting Legacy
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Negotiating While Black (Or While Underestimated) with Damali Peterman (#50)
09/09/2025
Negotiating While Black (Or While Underestimated) with Damali Peterman (#50)
Summary In this conversation, Damali Peterman discusses the nuances of negotiation, particularly from the perspective of being underestimated due to race or gender. She emphasizes the importance of authenticity, identity, and everyday negotiation opportunities. The discussion also touches on the challenges of cookie-cutter negotiation tactics and the unique experiences of negotiating as a Black woman. Damali shares personal anecdotes and insights from her book, 'Negotiating While Black', highlighting the need for a more inclusive understanding of negotiation strategies. Takeaways Negotiation is a skill that everyone can develop. Authenticity can be a superpower in negotiations. People often underestimate others based on race or gender. Everyday conversations are opportunities for negotiation. Cookie-cutter tactics may not work for everyone. Understanding your audience is crucial in negotiation. Negotiation is personal and should reflect your identity. The 'talk' given to Black children prepares them for real-world challenges. Building rapport can significantly impact negotiation outcomes. It's important to show up as your true self in negotiations. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Negotiation and Authenticity 02:51 The Roots of Negotiation Skills 08:19 Underestimation in Negotiation 13:03 Normalizing Negotiation in Everyday Life 15:08 Challenging Cookie-Cutter Negotiation Tactics 19:49 Negotiating as a Black Woman 24:14 The Talk: Preparing for Real-World Challenges 27:21 Lessons Learned from Writing the Book
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How To Laugh at Tragedy Without Becoming A Victim with Tom Nash [LIVE] (#49)
09/02/2025
How To Laugh at Tragedy Without Becoming A Victim with Tom Nash [LIVE] (#49)
In this engaging conversation at Sydney SXSW, Tom Nash shares his unique perspective on overcoming adversity, the importance of humor in coping with trauma, and the concept of the nocebo effect. He discusses how his experiences have shaped his mindset as an 'anti-victim' and explores the idea of post-traumatic growth. Throughout the dialogue, Nash emphasizes the significance of curiosity and learning from others as driving forces in his life, ultimately inspiring listeners to rethink their own challenges and perspectives. Takeaways The "nocebo effect" illustrates how negative expectations can hinder progress. Humor can be a powerful coping mechanism for dealing with trauma. Embracing one's scars can lead to increased confidence and grounding. Choosing to lean into one's unique circumstances can foster resilience. Post-traumatic growth is a real phenomenon that can lead to personal development. Curiosity drives personal exploration and learning. Sharing experiences can shift perspectives and inspire others. The journey of writing a book is iterative and reflective. Authenticity is crucial in pursuing one's passions and interests. Being an 'anti-victim' means recognizing one's fortune despite adversity. Chapters 00:00 Understanding the Nocebo Effect 10:03 The Power of Humor in Coping 17:59 The Anti-Victim Mindset 24:16 Post-Traumatic Growth and Resilience 26:23 Curiosity as a Driving Force
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The Future of Boredom [LIVE] - What Happens When It Is Harder To Do Nothing? with Dr. Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic (#48)
08/19/2025
The Future of Boredom [LIVE] - What Happens When It Is Harder To Do Nothing? with Dr. Joanne Orlando and Dan Ilic (#48)
Summary In this episode, the conversation explores the often-overlooked value of boredom in our hyper-connected world. The guests discuss how boredom can foster creativity, the impact of digital technology on our ability to be bored, and the societal implications of our relationship with boredom. They also delve into the future of boredom, suggesting it may become a sought-after experience as people seek to disconnect from constant stimulation. Takeaways Boredom is becoming a premium product as people seek to disconnect. Creativity often flourishes in moments of boredom. Digital technology is diminishing our ability to be bored. Boredom can lead to self-reflection and personal growth. Mindfulness practices are often seen as more acceptable than boredom. Boredom is linked to feelings of loneliness in the digital age. Parents often feel pressured to fill their children's time to avoid boredom. Boredom can inspire innovative ideas and projects. The future may see a rise in digital detox camps and boredom retreats. Understanding boredom can help us reclaim our time and attention. Chapters 00:00 The Value of Boredom 02:59 Boredom and Creativity 10:00 Boredom in the Digital Age 19:29 Defining Boredom 24:06 Boredom and Loneliness 27:39 The Future of Boredom
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How Men Find Community and Build Empathy with Michael Tennant (#47)
08/12/2025
How Men Find Community and Build Empathy with Michael Tennant (#47)
In this episode of The Non-Obvious Show, host Rohit Bhargava engages with Michael Tennant, an empathy expert and founder of Curiosity Lab, discussing the importance of emotional awareness, vulnerability, and community in fostering deeper connections. Tennant shares his personal journey through loss and the development of his card game, Actually Curious, aimed at promoting empathy. The conversation explores the role of men's groups in emotional leadership, the impact of societal changes on empathy, and practical methods for cultivating empathy in oneself and others. Takeaways Being willing to feel heart emotions is crucial. Empathy often requires vulnerability and self-reflection. Men's groups can provide a unique space for emotional growth. The game Actually Curious helps facilitate deeper conversations. Personal tragedy can lead to a greater understanding of empathy. Emotional intelligence is essential for building connections. Community plays a vital role in emotional healing. Learning empathy can be a structured process. It's important to meet people where they are emotionally. Understanding oneself is key to fostering empathy. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Emotional Awareness 02:57 Empathy and Vulnerability: A Personal Journey 05:34 Men and Emotional Leadership 08:38 Building Deeper Connections Through Community 11:33 The Role of Conversation Games in Fostering Empathy 14:32 Navigating Empathy in a Changing World 17:29 Learning Empathy: Methods and Approaches 20:31 Creating a Million Empathy Experts 23:27 Understanding Yourself Through Empathy
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Insider Secrets On How We Shop and What We Eat with Paco Underhill (#46)
08/05/2025
Insider Secrets On How We Shop and What We Eat with Paco Underhill (#46)
In this episode, Paco Underhill, a pioneer in consumer behavior and retail anthropology, shares insights from his extensive research on how consumers shop and make decisions. He discusses the evolution of retail spaces, the impact of gender on shopping habits, and the role of technology in shaping consumer experiences. Underhill emphasizes the importance of observational research over traditional focus groups and highlights the shift towards experiential retail. He also reflects on his personal journey towards healthier eating and the broader implications of consumer choices. Takeaways Paco Underhill's insights on consumer behavior have shaped retail design globally. Observational research is more effective than focus groups in understanding consumer behavior. Gender dynamics play a significant role in shopping experiences and store design. The line between physical and digital shopping experiences is increasingly blurred. Retail experiences are becoming more important than traditional shopping methods. Understanding food choices is crucial for promoting healthier eating habits. The evolution of consumer preferences reflects broader societal changes. AI and technology are transforming how consumers shop and make decisions. Paco's personal journey towards healthier eating influenced his professional insights. Legacy is about encouraging future generations to embrace their identities. Chapters 00:00 The Evolution of Consumer Behavior 02:04 Accidental Journey into Consumer Anthropology 06:39 The Importance of Observational Research 09:49 Gender Dynamics in Shopping 17:51 The Impact of Technology on Shopping 22:52 The Shift Towards Retail Experiences 27:35 Understanding Food Choices and Shopping Habits 33:30 Legacy and Future Aspirations
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How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most with Dr. Sunita Sah (#45)
07/29/2025
How To Be Defiant When It Matters Most with Dr. Sunita Sah (#45)
In this episode of The Non-Obvious Show, Dr. Sunita Shah discusses the concept of defiance, challenging the negative perceptions surrounding it. She emphasizes the importance of understanding our values and how they can empower us to act defiantly in various situations. Through personal anecdotes and research, Dr. Shah illustrates how defiance can be a positive force for change, both personally and socially. The conversation explores the dynamics of compliance, the role of values, and the potential ripple effect of individual acts of defiance in professional contexts. Takeaways Defiance can be a quiet statement of values. Compliance often leads to negative consequences for individuals. Understanding our values is crucial for practicing defiance. Defiance is not inherently negative; it can drive positive change. Tension in a situation can signal the need for defiance. Defiance is a skill that can be developed and practiced. The costs of compliance can outweigh the risks of defiance. Defiance can inspire others and create movements. Preparation is key to being able to act defiantly when needed. Living in alignment with one's values leads to greater happiness. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Defiance 08:41 Understanding Compliance and Defiance 17:48 The Role of Values in Defiance 26:48 Defiance in Professional Contexts 35:24 The Ripple Effect of Defiance
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The Infuriating Upside of Trash Talk with Rafi Kohan (#44)
07/22/2025
The Infuriating Upside of Trash Talk with Rafi Kohan (#44)
In this episode of the Non-Obvious Show, host Rohit Bhargava engages with Rafi Kohan, author of 'Trash Talk', to explore the cultural and psychological dimensions of trash talk in sports and beyond. They discuss the epidemic of mental weakness in society, the historical misunderstanding of trash talk, and its role as a tool for competition. Kohan emphasizes the importance of trust in trash talk, the need for teaching mental resilience, and the current cultural moment surrounding trash talk as a means of communication and competition. Takeaways We are in an epidemic of mental weakness as a culture. Outrage has become cultural currency. Trash talk is a misunderstood form of competition. Self-awareness is foundational to mental toughness. Trust is essential for healthy trash talk. Trash talk can be both antisocial and pro-social behavior. Stress is not inherently bad; it prepares us for challenges. Trash talk raises the psychological stakes of competition. Teaching young people about trash talk can build resilience. The real competition is attention in today's culture. Chapters 00:00 The Epidemic of Mental Weakness 01:08 Understanding Trash Talk: A Cultural Exploration 03:47 The Misunderstanding of Trash Talk 07:42 The Psychology Behind Trash Talk 11:41 The Role of Trust in Trash Talk 15:42 Trash Talk as a Tool for Competition 20:00 Teaching Trash Talk: A Life Skill 23:56 The Cultural Moment of Trash Talk 27:50 Lessons from Trash Talk: Stress and Response
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Using Bizarre Lifestyle Experiments To Save Democracy with A.J. Jacobs (#43)
07/15/2025
Using Bizarre Lifestyle Experiments To Save Democracy with A.J. Jacobs (#43)
In this engaging conversation, AJ Jacobs, known for his unique lifestyle experiments, discusses his latest book, 'The Year of Living Constitutionally.' He shares insights on approaching disagreements as puzzles, the importance of learning through fun, and the impact of writing by hand on thought processes. Jacobs emphasizes the urgency of understanding the Constitution in today's political climate and advocates for bipartisan solutions to strengthen democracy. He also reflects on the role of humor in engaging readers and the potential of AI as a collaborative tool in creative endeavors. Takeaways Approaching disagreements as puzzles fosters understanding. Lifestyle experiments can provide unique insights into complex topics. Learning can be fun and engaging, not dull. Writing by hand enhances memory and thought processes. Balancing curiosity with deadlines is essential for productivity. Identifying the 5% of ideas that are truly valuable is key. The Constitution's relevance is urgent in today's political landscape. Bipartisan solutions are necessary for a healthier democracy. Engaging with authority can amplify important ideas. Humility in exploration allows for deeper understanding. Chapters 00:00 Approaching Disagreements as Puzzles 01:20 AJ Jacobs: The Human Guinea Pig 02:38 The Impact of Lifestyle Experiments 05:49 Learning Through Fun and Edutainment 08:34 The Power of Writing by Hand 10:58 Balancing Curiosity with Deadlines 12:37 The 5% Idea: Finding Worthwhile Concepts 15:51 The Urgency of Constitutional Understanding 20:23 Bipartisan Solutions for Democracy 24:02 Engaging with Authority on Constitutional Issues 26:11 Navigating Conversations with Disagreement 28:15 The Importance of Humility in Exploration 30:16 Using Humor to Engage Readers 31:33 AI as a Collaborative Tool 33:02 The Value of Bucket Lists 35:00 Reviving Democratic Traditions
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How To Be A Super Communicator with Charles Duhigg (#42)
07/08/2025
How To Be A Super Communicator with Charles Duhigg (#42)
In this conversation, Charles Duhigg discusses his book 'Supercommunicators' and explores the essential skills that make someone an effective communicator. He emphasizes the importance of understanding different communication styles, the role of empathy, and the significance of deep questions in fostering authentic connections. Duhigg also highlights the impact of nonverbal communication, the challenges of online interactions, and the potential of AI in communication. Ultimately, he encourages everyone to recognize that communication is a skill that can be developed and improved over time. Takeaways Charles Duhigg's books stem from personal questions and challenges. Super communicators are aware of the type of conversation they are having. Empathy is crucial in communication, often requiring matching the other person's emotional state. High centrality participants help groups connect better through neural entrainment. Asking deep questions fosters authentic connections and understanding. Laughter serves as a powerful tool for connection in conversations. Nonverbal communication plays a significant role in how we connect with others. Adapting communication styles for online interactions is essential for clarity. AI can mimic empathy but lacks genuine understanding in conversations. Building relationships through communication is vital for happiness and success. Chapters 00:00 The Power of Communication 09:32 Understanding Super Communicators 19:42 The Role of Empathy in Communication 29:34 Navigating Online Communication 32:43 The Future of Communication and AI
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How Work Works with Michelle P. King (#41)
09/03/2024
How Work Works with Michelle P. King (#41)
Does your job meet your needs and if not, what changes can you make to ensure it’s a more fulfilling aspect of your life? Dr. Michelle Penelope King is a globally recognized expert on inequality and organizational culture, and the bestselling author of The Fix: How to Overcome the Invisible Barriers that are Holding Women Back at Work and How Work Works: The Subtle Science of Getting Ahead Without Losing Yourself. From speaking across the world to being the head of UN Women’s Global Innovation Coalition for Change, and being the founder of a global consultancy called The Culture Practice, Michelle lends her expertise to advance gender equality and enhance global opportunity and achievement for women in each of her roles. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Dr. Michelle Penelope King discuss topics inspired by How Work Works, including the importance of finding meaning and worth in your career, reflecting on the true diversity of your team, setting an achievable goal for excelling your position, and preparing for the next generation of workers, there are always ways we can grow in our work and create a more positive, lasting impact upon retirement.
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How Status Really Works And How It Doesn’t with Chuck Thompson (#40)
08/27/2024
How Status Really Works And How It Doesn’t with Chuck Thompson (#40)
What does status mean today? Executive producer, editor, and author Chuck Thompson explores this question and the evolution of status in his book The Status Revolution: The Improbable Story of How the Lowbrow Became the Highbrow. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Chuck Thompson discuss topics inspired by the book, including the neuroscience behind dopamine boosts from luxury consumerism, the new-found elite status of dog rescuers, and the debate of claiming privilege versus status.
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What You Don’t Know About Disability with Ashley Shew (#39)
08/20/2024
What You Don’t Know About Disability with Ashley Shew (#39)
Is the future disabled? Ashley Shew, an associate professor of Science, Technology, and Society at Virginia Tech explores this question and writes for those who will become disabled in her book Against Technoableism: Rethinking Who Needs Improvement. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Ashley Shew discuss topics inspired by the book, including re-thinking who needs improvement, the five main tropes for disability narratives, de-cyborgafying, and the growth of opportunity for disabled people in space.
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The Disturbing Truth About Fate Vs Flukes with Brian Klaas (#38)
08/13/2024
The Disturbing Truth About Fate Vs Flukes with Brian Klaas (#38)
Does everything happen for a reason or is it all just flukes? Brian Klaas, a professor of Global Politics at University College London, writer, podcaster, and researcher explores this question and why things happen in his book Fluke: Chance, Chaos, and Why Everything We Do Matters. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Brian Klaas discuss topics inspired by the book, including Kokura’s Luck, Chaos Theory, the paradox of 21st century life, and the non-obvious stuff that often sways history.
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How to Transform the Way You See Time with Richard Fisher (#37)
08/06/2024
How to Transform the Way You See Time with Richard Fisher (#37)
What will it take to transform the way the world views time? Richard Fisher, a senior journalist with BBC Global News, explores this question and shares ways to expand our minds into deeper time scales in his book The Long View: Why We Need to Transform How the World Sees Time. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Richard Fisher discuss topics inspired by the book, including short termism in business and consumerism, the continuity time view, the impact of science fiction, and the encouragement of existential hope.
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How To Spot A Fraud or Scam with Kelly Richmond Pope (#36)
07/31/2024
How To Spot A Fraud or Scam with Kelly Richmond Pope (#36)
Would you know fraud when you see it or are you committing some fraud yourself? Kelly Richmond Pope is a nationally recognized expert and professor in forensic accounting who spent years interviewing fraud perpetrators before switching to learning from the victims. In her book, Fool Me Once: Scams, Stories, and Secrets from the Trillion-Dollar Fraud Industry, Kelly shares insight on the various ways fraud is committed and how to prevent yourself from becoming a victim. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Kelly Richmond Pope discuss topics inspired by the book, including the different types of perpetrators, the acceptance of fraud in business, and the psychological damage of fraud on victims. Kelly also shares a red flag list to help you avoid becoming a victim, including not trusting people who still use HotMail.
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How “Workarounds” Can Solve Big Problems with Paulo Savaget (#35)
07/23/2024
How “Workarounds” Can Solve Big Problems with Paulo Savaget (#35)
Could a workaround solve your problem? Paulo Savaget is an award-winning researcher and professor of engineering entrepreneurship who went on a three year journey to study how people invent workarounds to solve problems. In his book,The Four Workarounds: Strategies from the World's Scrappiest Organizations for Tackling Complex Problems, he shares his experience and findings in hopes of inspiring others to value workarounds and the possible big changes they enable. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Paulo Savaget discuss topics inspired by the book, including the four types of workarounds with case examples, the ethics of loopholes, and the innovations of smaller organizations that large corporations can learn from.
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Why Social Media Makes Us Angry with Tobias Rose-Stockwell (#34)
04/16/2024
Why Social Media Makes Us Angry with Tobias Rose-Stockwell (#34)
Do you know how social media really works? Tobias Rose-Stockwell’s research on how tech amplifies discontent and disrupts democracy has inspired leading tech companies to adopt key interventions to reduce toxicity and polarization. In his book, Outrage Machine, he combines this research with personal anecdotes to create a guide to understanding how the internet has broken our brains and how we can fix it. In this episode, Rohit Bhargava and Tobias Rose-Stockwell discuss topics inspired by the book, including why we become emotionally arrested by content, content that flirts with the extreme to gain engagement, and the process of changing minds when we live in a period of constant news and opinions.
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