Food Bullying Podcast
Firsthand perspective from farmers about how food is grown. Author Michele Payn & RDN Nicole Rodriguez arm the dietitian community and those who love nutrition with the REAL stories of farming. Listening will empower you to help others feel more confident in their food choice, with tips about how people are bullied about nutrition. Michele & Nicole know nutrition experts are hungry for connection with those who grow, raise, and produce food. This Food Bullying podcast brings together voices from the agrifood sector to help you better understand the food you're so passionate about.
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Potato, potahto, vegetable or grain? Episode 141
11/18/2024
Potato, potahto, vegetable or grain? Episode 141
The humble potato: is it a vegetable or a grain? Coming from a family that has farmed America’s favorite vegetable (yes, we’ll refer to the potato as such), Mitchell Searle offers a unique perspective on the cultivation, harvesting, and sustainability of this crop. While Searle expresses concern about what he perceives as the growing chasm between the farm and the consumer, he emphasizes that many of the misconceptions surrounding potato farming are largely unfounded. “Sustainability is my number one focus every day,” says Searle. “Is my workload sustainable? Are my tillage practices sustainable? Is my business structure sustainable to be passed on to the next generation? Everything boils down to sustainability. His family has farmed for over 100 years, so they should know. Listen in as Searle discusses biological vs. chemical practices, how interest groups shape policy, and his very down-to-earth potato consumption preferences. Visit for more or connect with Mitchell Searle on LinkedIn.
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Healthy fields, happy farmers - drones deliver sustainability: Episode 140
11/04/2024
Healthy fields, happy farmers - drones deliver sustainability: Episode 140
Where’s the future of food production? You might want to look to the sky. In this episode of the Food Bullying podcast, Nicole and Michele chat with Sarah Hovinga of Bayer Crop Science in California and Bryan Sanders of HSE-UAV in Washington about how precision agriculture is transforming farming. According to Sanders, drones REDUCE 1) the amount (and cost) of pesticides used 2) human exposure by keeping the applicator away from the actual pesticide (since the drone is doing the spraying) and 3) pesticide drift thanks to the intentional downward movement the propellers create which helps push the pesticide into the crop with centimeter level accuracy. Drones also help by creating good-paying tech jobs in farming, inspiring young people to get into farming - but he says consumer misunderstanding of the role of pesticides in our food system still runs rampant. “Blaming and pointing the finger at farmers, applicators, and the chemical industry is an easy and popular narrative that anti-agriculture groups promote which helps them in turn gain funding from their sponsors,” says Hovinga. The reality? Hovinga shares the following: “My friend once asked me: ‘I am so confused, what food in the store is safe to eat?’ Do you know what I told her? ‘Everything.' And it's because of the robust regulations around food in the United States. How cool is that?” We think it’s very cool indeed. We also think dietitians and those who prioritize nutrition need to understand where the future of agriculture is going to help reduce fear-mongering. Who can you share this episode with? Sarah does a lot on social media under the handle - be sure to check it out for great examples of precision agriculture in action. You can find her on , LInkedin at , , and . Bryan love technology that flies, but isn't as active on social media. However, has accounts across all social media channels under HSE-UAV where you can see drones in action.
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Pork Yeah, for your nutrition: Episode 139
10/21/2024
Pork Yeah, for your nutrition: Episode 139
No - you DON’T have to cook pork until it’s gray. This, along with the idea that pork is somehow not a healthy protein choice are two misconceptions that Jeanette Merritt, director of Communications for , wishes would go away already. “Pork still has the perception of not being a good dietary choice,” says Merritt. “Consumers think chicken is the only healthy meat available to them. A boneless pork loin as the same amount of fat as a skinless chicken breast.” She talks through pig squeals, animal care, Indiana's infamous pork loins, environmental improvements in farming, and why Proposition 12 in California has been a factor in driving up pork prices. A 4th generation pig, corn, soybean, and wheat farmer, Merritt proudly raises three kids with her husband, Rusty, where at least two of them want to be the 5th generation on the farm and the other wants to be an ag education teacher. She has spent her entire career serving agriculture. Merritt encourages consumers and dietitians to familiarize themselves with She also hopes that these principles - centered around food safety, community, environment, animal welfare, people, and public health - will encourage the next generation to explore opportunities in agriculture. “Overall, we have a labor shortage, as much of agriculture is dealing with. We need younger people to come in and want to be involved in pork production!” says Merritt. Follow Indiana Pork on , , , and .
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Farming pain, inflated food prices, and Pad Thai: Episode 138
10/07/2024
Farming pain, inflated food prices, and Pad Thai: Episode 138
Sure, grocery prices are through the roof, but are farmers paying the ultimate price? This insightful podcast gives dietitians, consumers, and farmers insight on the impact of inflation around the food plate. In this candid conversation, Michele and Nicole take a deeper dive into the impact of the yet-to-passed Farm Bill, consumer demand, and the ensuing stress on farmers. They talk food insecurity, inflation, farming practices, and nutrition myths in this episode of the Food Bullying podcast. Offering perspectives from their respective fields, Michele and Nicole also discuss the weight of dis- and misinformation on their personal and professional lives. On a lighter note, the two share recent recipe wins to give listeners ideas for their own kitchen.
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Dietitian’s top five super foods: Episode 137
09/16/2024
Dietitian’s top five super foods: Episode 137
One dietitian with three decades of experience believes RDNs must be a part debunking nutrition myths and overcoming food bullying to help people enjoy food. Is eating well on a budget…impossible? Dr. Keith Ayoob, EdD, RDN, FAND, CDN, is an Associate Professor Emeritus in the department of pediatrics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in the Bronx, NY, where, for over 30 years he directed a nutrition clinic for children with special needs. Dr. Ayoob has also worked with numerous commodity and nutrition organizations to help dispel nutrition myths and misconceptions. Sharing his own experiences as a graduate student and drawing on his vast work experience in the poorest congressional district in the nation, Dr. Ayoob has come to the conclusion that it is indeed possible to eat well on a tight budget, despite the common misconception that it has to be “complicated and expensive.” “NONE of my families can afford organic foods or even farmer’s market foods - and they don’t have to in order to be healthy and feed their families well,” says Dr. Ayoob. Highlighting the importance of meeting patients where they are (both literally - as in where they shop, and figuratively, as in where they are in their respective health journeys), Dr. Ayoob discusses the importance of cultural sensitivity when making dietary recommendations, and that having a deeper understanding of agriculture can help dietitians inspire confidence in their patients. Listen in as Dr. Ayoob offers tips on food modeling, his thoughts on plant-based diets, social media, and more. "My body is anot a trend" sums up his thinking. Visit his website , and find him on .
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Eggs, Angus, and healthy animal proteins: Episode 136
09/02/2024
Eggs, Angus, and healthy animal proteins: Episode 136
With the rise of Avian flu, should consumers take caution when buying eggs? What do dietitians need to know about the safety of animal proteins? And why are egg prices so high? Andy Bishop, Kentucky farmer and ag lender, confirms that Avian flu is not transmitted via eggs, but that the spread of the virus has presented farmers with a variety of challenges. From depopulation to misinformation, Avian flu hurts farmers' bottom line and impacts mental health. Also serving as the chair of the Cattleman’s Beef Board in Kentucky, Bishop has plenty to say about the food landscape and how the term “plant-based” impacts consumer decisions. “Consumers are inundated with messaging based on social media algorithms that often spread false information. With the changes in the way we receive information, it is often difficult to discern what is true and what is not,” says Bishop. “The whole plant-based narrative amplifies the negative messaging surrounding true protein ‘Animal Protein’." Bishop also touches on his passion for agvocacy, how farming has shaped parenthood, and how “regenerative agriculture” is simply the way things have been done on his farm - and many others - for generations. Visit , which Bishop owns and operates with his wife, Meagan, and their four children on Instagram.
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Science connecting dietitians & agriculture: Episode 135
08/19/2024
Science connecting dietitians & agriculture: Episode 135
Scientific curiosity can change the conversation about food, whether from a food, farm, or dietetic perspective. Likewise, scientific illiteracy can leave people susceptible to food bullying. Listen to this latest episode of the Food Bullying podcast and learn about how a new book can help you better communicate science. Amy Hays is currently the Assistant Director at the Oka Institute at East Central University, focused on sustainable water solutions, land stewardship, water research, and policy. She lives on a small ranch in Oklahoma. Her passion for science literacy inspired her to start For Science Sake, a project that helps people enhance their outreach and engagement, which lead to her co-authoring the new Science Story Speak with Michele Payn to help re-build trust in science around the food plate. "Science is being questioned and denied like never before in this era of divisiveness, inflated food prices, and social media. Decisions are often made based on emotions, rather than evidence. Yet science has never been more critical for addressing major challenges like food security, climate change, and public health." Science Story Speak helps you change the way you communicate and builds belief in scientific advancements. Declining trust in science hurts agriculture by limiting progress in modern farming technologies, hindering hunger relief, expanding regulations, increasing consumer questions about farming, and contributing to mental health challenges. Amy also notes "There's a common misconception that farming and ranching are dominated by corporate farms using harmful, environmentally unfriendly practices. In reality, it’s quite the opposite. Most farms and ranches are family-owned, and the folks running them care deeply about their crops and animals. They have to — their commitment to stewardship means everything because agriculture is tightly regulated, more so than many others. If they don't do things right, they simply won't last." Learn more about Amy's work at or the newly released Science Story Speak at .
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Food demons & dietitians as decongestants: Episode 134
08/05/2024
Food demons & dietitians as decongestants: Episode 134
In a sea of dis- and misinformation, what’s the most important thing dietitians can do to help consumers? Milton Stokes, Senior Director of Food and Nutrition at the , has some ideas to help RDNs cut through the congestion of information swirling around about food and nutrition. “Sometimes when we provide more information, we make the problem worse. Let's build connections based on values, especially when dealing with contentious topics,” says Stokes, whose career has been at the intersection of food, agriculture, and nutrition for the last 10 years working on some of the most urgent issues facing people and planet–issues like food and nutrition security as well as sustainability. Stokes suggests that the profession could benefit from more active listening in the social media landscape. Touching on IFIC’s 2024 , Stokes shares that taste and price are the most important factors in consumer food choice. Dietitians can help consumers make more nutritious decisions by utilizing a more positive approach, emphasizing the enjoyment of food, its flavor, and the overall experience. Stokes also emphasizes the importance of creating connections between dietitians and farmers, and specifically points to Jenny Schmidt () as a resource for RDs. He also shares that dietitians can benefit greatly from partnerships with farmers as opposed to assuming expertise in various areas of agriculture. Connect with IFIC on , on and .
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Eat like a pig with high quality amino acids: Episode 133
07/15/2024
Eat like a pig with high quality amino acids: Episode 133
If you close your eyes and imagine a “healthy” meal, is a salad the first thing that comes to mind? Dr. Eric P. Berg of North Dakota State University discussed the concept of a 'complete plate' in the context of good nutrition. He explained that a complete plate should have a balanced diet with six nutrient categories: water, protein, fats, vitamins, minerals, and carbohydrates. He emphasized that it's not enough to just have these categories in the diet, but that there are certain levels of essential nutrients within each category that people need to have. The body needs amino acids to make proteins. Proteins are essential for many functions in the body, such as building and repairing tissues, producing enzymes, hormones, and neurotransmitters. The body cannot produce all the amino acids it needs, so they must be obtained through the diet. There are nine essential amino acids that the body cannot synthesize on its own and must be obtained through the diet. These amino acids are histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, and valine. He says that consumers are doing themselves a disservice by failing to consider animal-based proteins as part of a complete plate. Moreover, a plethora of foods labeled as “high protein” may sway shoppers away from foods that are naturally rich in protein and into “crude” protein territory. Dr. Berg mentions that choosing proteins with a high Digestible Indispensable Amino Acid Score ) can lead to better health outcomes. He pointed out that some food labels claiming to be “high protein” may not adequately indicate the quality of the protein. According to the World Health Organization, a protein source must have a DIAAS score above 75 to be considered a good source and above 100 to be considered an excellent source. He also highlighted that animal-source foods often have higher DIAAS scores than plant source foods. He suggested that consumers can find nutrition information on food labels, which provide details about the amount of nutrients (like protein) in a serving of food. However, he noted that labels may not always provide a clear picture of a food's nutritional quality. In such cases, he suggested looking at other resources, such as the USDA Nutrient Database, which provides detailed nutritional information on a wide range of foods. Additionally, he recommended consulting a registered dietitian, who can provide personalized advice on nutrition and help consumers make informed choices about their diets. Dr. Berg has demonstrated the impact of a diet with an overall higher DIAAS score vs. a more traditional Western diet in pigs. Pigs on the more traditional Western diet experienced acne, hair loss, and muscle loss, while pigs who were fed a diet in which beef replaced sugar experienced less muscle loss and fat accumulation. Dr. Berg discusses the study in depth during his . While Dr. Berg emphasizes the importance of higher DIAAS-scoring foods as part of an overall balanced diet, he cautions consumers to resist fixating on any one nutrient or food group. He is a meat scientist who has worked to help people understand meat. He explained that the Barbecue Bootcamp was initially started as a program to educate people about modern agriculture. He and his team recognized that misconceptions were prevalent about modern agriculture, and they believed that teaching people about food safety, nutrition, and the difference between grilling and barbecue would be a good way to draw people in. They also wanted to address any questions and misconceptions people had about food and agriculture. Visit Dr. Berg on and contact him via .
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Do dollar stores help meet dietary needs? Episode 132
07/01/2024
Do dollar stores help meet dietary needs? Episode 132
Would consumers be healthier with fewer dollar stores? While the plethora of expanding bargain chains across the country offer fewer nutrient-dense choices than other food retailers, Dr. Sean Cash, an economist on faculty at the Friedman School of Nutrition Science and Policy at Tufts University, where he chairs the Division of Agriculture, Food and Environment, says that some consumers benefit from having a dollar store nearby. “It's not necessarily the case that all consumers would be better off, or have healthier diets, if they had fewer dollar stores near them. The reality is more complicated: Dollar stores may make it harder for grocery stores to stay open in some areas, but in other places they are providing services where other retailers would not be operating regardless. And the people who rely most on dollar stores are generally very satisfied with them -- and as our research shows, may even be using the foods offered at dollar stores to free up funds that help them buy healthier items elsewhere,” says Cash. Dr. Cash advises dietitians to clarify WHERE their patients are shopping before making purchase recommendations and warms against hypervigilance in nutritionism, or focusing excessively on the nutritional value of foods. With this tendency toward hypervigilance, Dr. Cash explains, online shopping for grocery items presents a unique decision-making process that may result in making less nutritious choices. For more information on Dr. Cash and his work, visit him on and .
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Science & sensationalism on the food plate
06/17/2024
Science & sensationalism on the food plate
Algorithms. Shortened attention spans. Competition from uncredentialed influencers. In communicating science, even the best in the industry may occasionally fall prey to the siren song of sensationalism in an effort to deliver evidence-based information. Dr. Jess Steier, creator of Unbiased Science, emphasizes the importance of nuance in science communication and resisting the urge to make absolute statements, as very few things in the world are black and white. However, Dr. Steier notes that this is a challenge on social media. She has learned that communicating science in social media requires a balance between sharing credible nuance and capturing people’s attention. She's found that her more recent posts, which have a different tone and contain more nuance, are less popular because they don’t elicit the same emotional response as her past posts. However, she feels strongly about upholding scientific integrity while still communicating empathetically. She also recognizes that the algorithm rewards more absolutist views. She highlights that meeting people where they are is crucial to communicating science effectively, but how do RDs handle subjects such as genetic modification, CRISPR, and pesticides when other supposedly science-based professional groups spread misinformation? Listen in for Dr. Steier's insights and how she personally shops for herself and her family. Follow Dr. Steier at Facebook: facebook.com/unbiasedscipod Instagram: instagram.com/unbiasedscipod Twitter/X: x.com/unbiasedscipod
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The gluten lie: Episode 130
06/03/2024
The gluten lie: Episode 130
The gluten-free market is valued at over two billion dollars. Yet the question remains...do so many people really need to avoid this protein? Heidi Wells, a dietitian by day and farmer by night, and her farming husband Byron - are proud owners of Lucky W Dairy in Kansas. They grow crops, including wheat, for both feed and human consumption. The myths surrounding this mainstay crop are plentiful - from questions to how it’s grown to whether or not it should be avoided altogether: Is it doused in Roundup? Does its consumption elicit an inflammatory response? Would organic wheat be a more nutrient-dense option, given the choice? In addition to clearing up all of the above, Byron discusses their wheat cultivation practices, which involve conventional tillage methods. He highlights the importance of selecting wheat varieties with high protein content and using products like fungicides to maintain plant health. The process includes addressing nitrogen needs, managing weed pressure, monitoring insects, and applying fungicides to protect crop quality. Heidi explains that while there are cases where gluten must be avoided, such as in celiac disease, the general population’s fear of gluten may not always be justified. Heidi emphasized the importance of educating people about the actual impact of gluten on health and highlighted the commercialization of gluten-free products for those who may not necessarily need them. Listen in for all of this plus the Wells’ guidance on helping consumers navigate nutrition noise.
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Dairy safety and cognitive dissonance
05/20/2024
Dairy safety and cognitive dissonance
Dr. Andrea Love on milk safety, food anxiety & chemophobia Ever since fragments of the H5N1 virus (also known as avian influenza or HPAI) were detected in milk, the safety of our dairy supply has come into question, with some wondering if they should forego dairy in favor of alternatives, and others gravitating toward raw milk. In this episode of the Food Bullying podcast, Dr. Andrea Love brings some insight into the nature of viruses, the history of pasteurization, and – long story short, why you can still feel good about pouring yourself a glass of milk. She talks through the specific testing measures in milk and dairy products around bird flu, also known as bovine influenza A virus (BIAV) in cattle. Dr. Love is a biomedical scientist and award-winning science communicator with a PhD in Microbiology and Immunology with over a decade and a half of experience in basic sciences, translational medicine, and clinical research. Outside of her full-time career in life science biotechnology, she has a passion for helping the public and healthcare professionals understand complex science topics to navigate the world better. She is the Founder of ImmunoLogic, a science education organization that aims to improve science literacy, the Executive Director of the American Lyme Disease Foundation, and a contributing author for numerous science and health organizations. While the conversation focuses largely on H5N1 and dairy products, Dr. Love also touches on the impact of social media on orthorexia, the parallels between orthorexia and chemophobia, and how she wishes the general public had a better understanding of hazard vs. risk (which she reviews in detail on this episode). Learn more about Dr. Love and her work at . You can also find her on , , , and .
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Cutting through the nutrition science noise: Episode 128
05/06/2024
Cutting through the nutrition science noise: Episode 128
Are seed oils poison? Is it worth purchasing produce if it’s not organic? Are the Dietary Guidelines for Americans actually killing us? Today's guest has a unique perspective for dietitians and everyone interested in food. These are just a few of the questions Michele and Nicole pose to Dr. Adrian Chavez, who earned his PhD in nutrition and health promotion from Arizona State University. His own personal health journey began as a child experiencing asthma and severe allergies, the treatment of which left him with digestive issues that he learned to resolve with improvements to his nutrition. As host of the Nutrition Science Podcast, Dr. Chavez helps listeners cut through the nutrition noise so they can make informed decisions on how to feed themselves and their families. He has also guided thousands of patients through courses, group programs, and 1:1 counseling, with a focus on high cholesterol, diabetes, autoimmune disease, IBS, and IBD. Known for his direct approach and willingness to take uncredentialed wellness influencers to task, Dr. Chavez has amassed tens of thousands of followers on social media. While he doesn’t have a hand in agriculture, Dr. Chavez has one request of the people who grow our food: listen in to find out what it is. Follow Dr. Chavez on Visit his website Tune in to the
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What the Washington Post got wrong about dietitians: Episode127
04/15/2024
What the Washington Post got wrong about dietitians: Episode127
When dietitians are offered a seat at the table of commodity boards, food brands, and non-profit associations, there are benefits for all involved - including the consumer. But what’s the emotional price tag the dietitian must pay when partnerships are erroneously scrutinized for all the world to see? Is the discussion more nuanced than recent articles would you to believe? , MS, RD, LD, and owner of Street Smart Nutrition, is a fierce advocate for fearlessly nourishing meals, and she uses a weight-inclusive approach in her work in private practice and nutrition communications. Working with many industry partners, Cara emphasizes that her primary goal as a registered dietitian is to share nutrition information and knowledge with as many people as possible. Being able to go on farm tours and partake in other immersive agricultural experiences has allowed her to do just that - and to be well-versed in where our food comes from and how it’s grown. Through these experiences, Cara has built a network of industry and food science experts on whom she can rely for further insights as issues arise in our food system and mis and disinformation continue to proliferate on social media. While Cara emphasizes the potential for bias to increase when compensation is introduced to industry partnerships, she also notes that there is an inherent degree of bias in ALL partnerships, and that having a strong litmus test of who you’re willing to go to the mat for and defend publicly should a partnership come under scrutiny can help guide dietitians in choosing industry and brand partners. Moreover, Cara believes that there are many ways in which dietitians can make money and that they should be compensated for their work - regardless of the implicit media message suggesting that they should be limited in their career choices. As she often highlights processed foods in recipes and on social media, Cara points out that the degree of processing a food goes through is not an indicator of its health or nourishing value. Listen in for her insights on how the role of processed foods has evolved over the past half century, and for her personal standards when it comes to grocery shopping. Find Cara on all social media platforms and visit
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Southern belles, soil health, & sustainability: Episode 126
04/01/2024
Southern belles, soil health, & sustainability: Episode 126
“The biggest misconception about farming in the dietetic world is that GMOs are bad for the environment and human consumption - and that farmers are financially well-off.” Wendy Yeager is a fourth-generation farmer who, with her husband Jamie, owns and operates Bell Place Farm, a diversified row crop operation. They grow peanuts, cotton, sorghum, soybeans, and wheat managed through crop rotation over 1100 acres in west central Alabama (the heart of the Blackbelt). Given the rise in prices of multiple inputs including fertilizer, herbicides, insecticides, and diesel fuel, the Yeagers are more conscientious than ever in planning before planting. And while no-till farming and GPS technology have helped transform day-to-day business, the uncertainty of mother nature (such as threats of severe drought) still creates a sense of uncertainty and hurts a farmer’s mental health. Wendy outlines how the costs of farming, specifically putting a crop in the ground, are increasing each year. She highlighs that while people may perceive farmers as rolling in money, the reality is that margins are getting tighter, making it harder to stay profitable. Wendy explained that expenses such as fertilizer, herbicides, insecticides, and diesel fuel are rising, impacting the financial sustainability of their family farm. Wendy describes how farming practices have evolved over the last 30 years, particularly in terms of trips across the field. She contrasted traditional methods, where multiple trips were made for tilling, spraying, and other tasks, with their current approach at Bell Place Farm. She explains their operation now primarily practices no-till farming, planting directly into crop residue without tilling the ground. By utilizing GPS technology, they can plant precisely, reducing field compaction and erosion. This shift has led to fewer trips across the field, cutting down on fuel consumption, equipment wear, and benefiting both cost savings and environmental protection. While the term “genetic modification” often carries a negative connotation, Yeager explains the reality for farmers: genetically modified plants help with disease resistance and reduce the application of herbicides, allowing for more efficient farming practices. She stresses that, as a farmer, she prioritizes the health of the land and would confidently consume and feed her family the crops grown on her farm. Wendy talks candidly about the financial stress in farming. She highlighted that while outsiders might assume farmers are financially well-off, the reality is that farming margins are becoming tighter. Wendy explained the rising costs of inputs like fertilizer, herbicides, insecticides, and diesel fuel, which impact the profitability of farming operations. She also mentioned the challenges of predicting yields and ensuring that the crop's financial returns cover the initial investment costs. Additionally, Wendy shared the mental strain caused by factors like severe droughts, which can significantly impact a farmer's confidence and outlook for the future. Listen in as Yeager shares her journey to becoming a respected female farmer in a largely male-dominated industry and how she balances and has confidence in her own food choices. Visit Bell Place Farm on and follow on Instagram.
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The heart of the wheat kernel: Episode 125
03/18/2024
The heart of the wheat kernel: Episode 125
“If a food is free from something, then it must be healthy, right?” Dr. Brett Carver, a wheat breeder and researcher at Oklahoma State University for nearly 40 years, has found himself spending more time defending the plant to which he’s devoted his career in recent years. “A huge chunk of our population, based on easy-to-find survey data, makes dietary choices AWAY from gluten (wheat). That's about 9-12% of us, and millennials and Gen Z's lead the way. About 1 in 5 persons will reduce or eliminate gluten from their diet because they believe this to be a healthier option,” says Carver. But is this trend warranted? For those who are diagnosed with Celiac disease, avoidance of gluten, the protein found in wheat, is a non-negotiable. But for those of us without Celiac or non-Celiac wheat sensitivities, following a gluten-free (and therefore wheat-free) diet is likely unnecessary. Getting to the “heart of the kernel,” Dr. Carver shares insights on why what doesn’t easily undergo genetic engineering (reminde: there are no GMO wheat varieties), how wheat has and hasn’t changed over the last century, and the role of FODMAPS in his work. According to Dr. Brett Carver, one of the major misconceptions around wheat is related to its origin. Many people make assumptions about the healthiness or unhealthiness of wheat based on where they think it comes from. Another misconception revolves around the changes that have occurred in wheat over the last century. Dr. Carver mentions that wheat breeding has been ongoing since the 1920s, and there is a need to understand the advancements and improvements that have been made in wheat varieties. There is no GMO wheat in the U.S. market. Carver mentioned that wheat does not easily undergo genetic modification (GMO) due to its biology. However, he mentioned that the science of gene editing is highly developed and may become a prominent technique in wheat breeding. Brett also outlined how DNA sequencing has revolutionized wheat breeding. With the ability to select based on DNA sequence, breeders can now make more accurate and efficient selections for desired traits, such as disease resistance or gluten quality. This advancement allows breeders to bypass the need for certain traits to be physically present and instead select based on the DNA sequence itself. This has greatly accelerated breeding progress and has the potential to improve wheat varieties in terms of both quality and disease resistance. There is a misconception that gluten in wheat has changed over the last century. He mentioned that the composition and protein of wheat have not significantly changed. Claims made in books like "Wheat Belly" about the varieties being produced and the food derived from them are not accurate. Dr. Carver conducted his own research to counter these claims and found that the perception of wheat has changed, but the reality is that wheat breeding programs have been focused on developing varieties that meet consumer demands. The exact cause of non-celiac wheat sensitivity is still being researched and is not fully understood. However, Dr. Brett Carver mentioned a few factors that could potentially contribute to this sensitivity. One possibility is sensitivity to gluten itself, specifically the gluten that naturally occurs in wheat varieties. Another factor that Carver mentioned is the presence of certain carbohydrates called FODMAPs (fermentable oligosaccharides, disaccharides, monosaccharides, and polyols) in wheat, which can trigger symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) in some individuals. Additionally, there are proteins called amylase trypsin inhibitors (ATIs) found in wheat that have been associated with sensitivity. Further research is needed to fully understand the causes and mechanisms behind non-celiac wheat sensitivity. He wants dietitians to know he's working on a variety of those projects. For more information, visit and find Dr. Carver on X @osuwit.
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The art & science of farming citrus: Episode 124
03/04/2024
The art & science of farming citrus: Episode 124
Rich in vitamin C and flavonoids, many citrus varieties have earned their place on our breakfast tables, squeezed into our water (and cocktails), and in our favorite American recipes. There is both art and science in growing citrus that is in demand as part of our nutrition. Citrus farmers continually met consumer demand for new flavors (think blood oranges), increased eye appeal (Cara Caras come to mind), and ease of use (seedless lemons). Amid so much innovation, the unfortunate reality is that citrus is at risk. In this episode of the Food Bullying podcast, Casey Creamer, president of California Citrus Mutual, explains how citrus greening. The disease (also known as Huanglongbing), is a significant concern for the three central citrus-producing states: California, Florida, and Texas. Casey discusses the efforts being made in California to identify and remove infected trees to prevent the disease from spreading. One of the key steps is controlling the Asian citrus psyllid, the insect that transmits the disease. The state has a surveillance and trapping program to identify the presence of the psyllid and take proactive measures to contain it. Infected trees are immediately removed to eliminate the disease reservoir. California is also advocating for a national citrus breeding program to develop resistant varieties. He also notes that Florida faces more challenges in controlling the spread of the disease due to its climate. Casey emphasizes the importance of proactive measures, such as controlling the psyllid population and removing infected trees, to protect the citrus industry from the devastating effects of citrus greening. While growers are taking great pains to prevent citrus greening, Casey explains that they’re also utilizing multiple strategies to help make their operations environmentally sustainable. One approach is drip irrigation and sprinkler technology, which reduces water consumption during crop growth. They have also adopted a holistic approach to water management, focusing on groundwater recharge during wet years to ensure water availability in drier periods. Additionally, growers have embraced integrated pest management techniques, utilizing biologicals and beneficial insects to minimize pesticide use. Efforts to manage water quality and reduce nitrate nitrogen usage have also been implemented. The citrus industry in California has been proactive in protecting pollinators, working in partnership with beekeepers to support healthy bee populations. Growers use pesticides, integrated pest management, and biologicals to effectively manage pests and ensure the quality of their citrus crops. Pesticides are used when necessary to control pests that can damage the fruit or affect its external quality. Integrated pest management (IPM) is a comprehensive approach that combines various strategies to minimize pest populations, including the use of beneficial insects, crop rotation, and monitoring techniques. IPM aims to reduce reliance on pesticides and promote sustainable pest control practices. Biologicals, such as beneficial insects, are natural enemies of pests and can be used as a part of IPM to target specific pests while minimizing harm to beneficial organisms and the environment. These practices help growers maintain high-quality fruit while minimizing the impact on the ecosystem. These sustainability practices contribute to California's overall environmental stewardship of citrus - whether you are enjoying the nutrition of oranges, orange juice, or lemons. For more on California Citrus Mutual, visit
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Big bad agriculture: a transparent look at their science & safety
02/19/2024
Big bad agriculture: a transparent look at their science & safety
“The biggest misconception about my work is that agriculture companies place pesticides or biotech products on the market without testing them for safety. The fact is that agriculture is one of the most strictly regulated and thoroughly investigated industries in the world. Agriculture companies must strictly follow local and international regulatory guidelines and conduct hundreds of safety studies before launching a product. When a consumer has safety questions about pesticide residues or GMOs in their food, I hope all dietitians are well-equipped with knowledge about the agriculture regulatory processes, and help consumers make evidence-based food decisions.” Dr. Meng Wang is the Transparency Lead at Bayer Crop Science. She makes the safety data of their products available and understandable to the public. On a personal note, food is her love language and she loves talking about food! Wang puts this passion to use in creating artisan macarons, which Michele reports they taste as good as they look. Meng discussed the importance of transparency in making product safety data available to the public. She mentioned that about five years ago, they realized the public's interest in knowing if their food is safe and understanding how it's produced. As part of the transparency program, they decided to make safety data more accessible to the general public. Bringing a new chemistry, such as a pesticide, to market typically takes around 11 years and costs approximately $300 million. This lengthy process involves conducting rigorous safety studies to ensure the product's safety for humans, animals, and the environment when used as directed. Researching and approving a new genetically modified (GM) crop product takes approximately 16 years on average. This process involves extensive development and testing to ensure the product's safety, efficacy, and compliance with regulatory standards. The cost of bringing a GM crop to market is around $150 million. It's important to note that these timelines and costs may vary depending on the specific product and regulatory requirements. Bayer Crop Science Crop Science creates new pesticides and genetically modified (GM)/bioengineered products to address the challenges faced by farmers – and to contribute to food security, sustainability, and productivity. A growing global population brings a need to increase agricultural productivity, while also taking care of the environment. Bayer Crop Science Crop Science listens to the needs of farmers and develops products that can help them be more productive and address food security concerns. The development of new products involves significant investment and rigorous safety testing to ensure they are safe for humans, animals, and the environment. The goal is to provide innovative solutions that benefit farmers and contribute to a more sustainable and secure food supply. Transparency, as explained by Meng, refers to the practice of making safety data and information about agriculture products available to the general public. In the past, safety data was primarily shared with regulatory authorities for approval purposes. However, with increasing public interest in understanding the safety and origins of their food, Bayer Crop Science recognized the importance of transparency. They believe that transparency allows consumers to make informed decisions and builds trust in the agricultural industry. By making safety data more accessible, Bayer Crop Science aims to address public concerns, promote understanding, and foster a more transparent and open dialogue about their products. Transformational leadership, according to Dr. Meng Wang, involves inspiring and empowering people to reach their full potential. She believes in creating a culture where employees are motivated and encouraged to excel in their roles. Throughout her career, Dr. Wang has been fortunate to have managers and mentors who embraced this leadership style, allowing her to flourish in her work. For her, transformational leadership is not just a temporary initiative but should be ingrained in the company's culture. It involves empowering every employee to embody transparency and make it a part of their behavior. Transparency, to Meng, means making safety data about agriculture products available to the general public. She believes that transparency is essential for addressing public concerns, promoting understanding, and building trust in the industry. Access to safety data empowers consumers to make informed decisions about the food they consume and to foster an open dialogue about their products. Bayer Crop Science has taken steps to increase awareness and promote transparency among its employees. They have conducted learning sessions to educate colleagues about the importance of transparency and the unique knowledge they possess. They have also launched campaigns, such as the "#WhereisMeng" campaign, to engage employees and encourage them to learn more about transparency. Through these initiatives, Bayer Crop Science aims to foster a culture of transparency where every employee understands the significance of sharing information and representing the company's values. Meng expressed excitement about the conversations she has had with people regarding food safety and transparency efforts. She mentioned engaging in discussions with her family, friends, and various audiences, including regulators, journalists, and the general public. These conversations and the opportunity to address concerns and provide information seem to be indicators of success for Meng in her transparency work. Dr. Wang explained that product safety at Bayer Crop Science is thoroughly tested through a comprehensive process. The safety assessment starts from the very beginning, incorporating safety concepts into the product design. They conduct hundreds of safety studies to evaluate the safety profiles of pesticides, including their impact on humans, animals, and non-target species. They also perform robust environmental safety testing, such as studying the runoff and its effects on birds, mammals, and fish. The efficacy of the pesticide is also tested to ensure it can effectively protect crops. Dr. Wang emphasized that the safety assessment is data-driven and rooted in her science background as a biologist. One common misconception she deals with is the belief that agricultural products on the market have not undergone rigorous safety testing. This misconception can impact people's choices when shopping for food. Dietitians can help dispel this misinformation by educating the public about the rigorous safety framework and procedures in place to ensure the safety of the products they buy. By providing accurate information, dietitians can help consumers make informed choices and support farmers in their practices to produce safe food. For more information on Wang’s work, visit , and connect with Wang on . For more on pesticide levels in food, visit the and use the Safe Fruits and Veggies .
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A.I. in your food (cattle, not computers): Episode 122
02/05/2024
A.I. in your food (cattle, not computers): Episode 122
Brady Blackett is a 4th generation cattle producer from Utah who’s passionate about the cattle industry and its ability to contribute to a healthy and wholesome food system in the U.S. and abroad. As the co-founder of IGA (Intermountain Genetic Alliance), Blackett is well-versed in the subject and application of AI (artificial insemination). In this episode, Blackett explains the many ways in which AI has a positive net impact on the environment and offers a wider array of consumer choices at the meat counter and in the dairy aisle. For example, by selecting traits that improve feed efficiency, AI allows cattle to perform at the same level while consuming less feed. This means that they can produce meat and milk more efficiently, reducing the overall environmental footprint of cattle production. Additionally, AI enables producers to breed animals with specific traits, such as shorter calving intervals, which can lead to more efficient land use and potentially shorter grazing times. These factors contribute to a more sustainable and environmentally friendly approach to beef production. The science and research conducted in the field of reproductive technology in cattle, including artificial insemination (AI), has had significant benefits for humans. For example, advancements in fertility treatments and hormone therapies used in human reproductive medicine have been influenced by research conducted in cattle. The similarities between bovine and human reproductive systems have allowed scientists to study and develop techniques such as in vitro fertilization (IVF) and embryo transfer, which have been successfully applied in human fertility treatments. Therefore, the knowledge gained from studying cattle reproduction has contributed to improving human reproductive health and assisting individuals and couples in achieving pregnancy. In addition to his work throughout the beef industry, Blackett is father to three children and is an advocate for local agriculture. When feeding his own family, he buys local whenever possible - especially when the food in question is beef. When choosing beef, choose to buy from local producers. Local producers often lose a portion of the margin on beef thanks to a consolidated processing industry. "If you buy directly from a local producer they capture more of the retail value of the beef. Furthermore, when you buy directly, you are keeping those dollars in your local economy while knowing exactly how that animal was raised." You can learn more about the IGA on Instagram: and .
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Food labels & nutrition choices driven by dollars: Episode 121
01/15/2024
Food labels & nutrition choices driven by dollars: Episode 121
What’s the relationship between front-of-package food labeling and consumer choice, and how can it potentially impact grocery prices? Dr. Chen Zhen is a professor in Food Choice, Obesity, and Health Economics at the University of Georgia. His research focuses on the impact of interpretative front-of-package labeling on consumer behavior and food prices. In this conversation, Zhen discusses policies that can discourage consumption of less nutrient-dense foods (such as taxation) versus those that focus on access (making more nutritious food more accessible and less nutritious food less accessible), as well as the potential confusion caused by nutrition facts panels. While a combination of policies may benefit the nutritional intake of lower-income consumers, Zhen highlights a study that demonstrated how a soda tax reduced the consumption of sugary beverages among low-income individuals, while a fruit and vegetable subsidy did not have a significant impact on their overall nutrition score. He discussed three categories of policies to address the issue of food prices and consumer choices. The first category is taxation, where the aim is to tax unhealthy food to discourage consumption. However, there are concerns about the potential costs and impact on consumer welfare. The second category is access policy, which involves making healthier food more accessible and less healthy food less accessible. For example, removing sugary drinks from schools. However, there can be compensation effects where people consume more unhealthy food outside of school. The third category is information provision policy, such as nutrition fact labels. Chen mentioned the recommendation for interpretative and summary nutrition labels on the front of packages to help consumers better understand the information. He also mentioned his research on yogurt and consumer confusion with labels. He referenced a study on yogurt that examined the impact of a nutrition labeling change on sales. The study found that when a yogurt product received a lower nutrition score, its sales decreased. Conversely, when a yogurt product received a higher score, its sales increased. However, the study also discovered that retailers adjusted the prices of the yogurt products to offset the sales effects of the labeling change. After accounting for the pricing effect, it was found that about 40% of the labeling effect was offset by the retailer's pricing strategy. This suggests that the impact of nutrition labeling on consumer behavior can be influenced by pricing strategies implemented by retailers. Chen mentioned that low-income individuals tend to purchase less healthy foods due to financial constraints. Chen also highlighted the potential impact of labeling and pricing strategies on nutritional disparities. He is now working on a USDA grant that aims to examine the nutrition disparity resulting from nutrition labels. The hypothesis is that if a product receives a lower nutrition score, retailers may lower the price, and low-income individuals may be more sensitive to these price reductions, leading to increased consumption of unhealthy foods. Chen also mentioned a study on pricing policies, where a soda tax was found to reduce the consumption of sugary beverages among low-income individuals, while a fruit and vegetable subsidy did not have a significant impact on their overall nutrition score. He suggested that a combination of taxes on unhealthy foods and subsidies for healthier options may be more effective in addressing nutritional disparities. Dr. Zhen discussed three categories of interventions that policymakers can make to address the obesity epidemic: pricing strategies (such as soda taxes), access policies (making healthier food more accessible and less healthy food less accessible), and information provision policies (like nutrition labels). Chen emphasized that while taxes can be effective, they come with costs, so labels are often preferred by economists. Chen's research focused on the impact of soda taxes and found that low-income households responded more to the taxes, resulting in reduced consumption of sugary beverages. Additionally, Chen explored the potential unintended consequences of labeling and pricing strategies, particularly in relation to low-income individuals. However, it's important to note that any food taxes are regressive and may face political resistance. If you’re curious as to how front-of-package labels and food policies can have unintended consequences on grocery prices and his predictions on grocery inflation, listen in for more of Zhen’s research and insights.
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Building up data for dietitians: Episode 120
01/01/2024
Building up data for dietitians: Episode 120
“You can’t talk about what’s on the plate if you don’t know how it got there.” As the founder of Build Up Dietitians, Leah McGrath has created a space in which dietitians at all stages in their careers (including students), can learn more about just that - and provides avenues for evidence-based practitioners to gain a better understanding of agriculture practices. But when searching for that evidence, how do we discern quality sources from those that are less-than? McGrath offers for dietitians so that YOU can empower the consumer to make choices based on fact - not fiction. In addition to a robust conversation on the importance of cultivating an evidence-based career, McGrath shares her examples of persistent mis and disinformation in the nutrition space and diet trends that remain strong throughout the years. Visit and find them on , , and . You can also subscribe to the Build Up Dietitian Substack at . You'll find great resources about food whether you are a dietitian, into nutrition, or a part of agriculture.
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GMOs & bacon with a side of bullying
12/18/2023
GMOs & bacon with a side of bullying
“I wish people would take a little time to understand where their food comes from and also to trust the farmer.” A great perspective for RDNs to remember! Wanda Patsche, alongside her husband Chuck, farms in southern Minnesota. They grow corn and soybeans and raise hogs. Patsche also utilizes her to tell her farming story. Unfortunately, she has recently experienced some food bullying as part of her efforts to help people understand farming. “I think GMOs and organic foods are still widely misunderstood by the consumer,” says Patsche. “I also think the fear-based labeling food companies use such as labeling foods non-GMO when there isn’t a GMO option for that particular food causes further confusion.” Listen in as Patsche shares her insights on how biotechnology has helped her use fewer inputs throughout the years, the use of antibiotics in swine, and why you should shop confidently - especially for meat - at any grocery store. For more on Patsche, visit her on and @MNFarmLiving and on MinnesotaFarmer. Be sure to check out her blog,
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Separating fact from fiction in food & farming: Episode 118
12/04/2023
Separating fact from fiction in food & farming: Episode 118
Grocery store costs are crazy, but what costs have gone up on farms? Are fields sprayed with “such harsh pesticides” that workers can’t enter the fields? Is hydroponic farming the wave of the future when it comes to leafy greens? Should you be worried about lead in soil? Michele helps Nicole separate fact from fiction on these topics and more. The co-hosts spend time reflecting on their personal favorite and eye-opening episodes from 2023, which include apple growing, dietitians, pumpkins, GMOs, mRNA vaccines, scientists, farmers, animal protein & sustainability, and more. They recommend episodes to help listeners learn more about their food and how it's grown to overcome the myths of the food plate. Michele and Nicole want to know: which experts do YOU want to hear them interview in the New Year? Leave your questions in the comments or message Nicole or Michele.
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Talking turkey - hormones, breasts, nutrition: Episode 117
11/20/2023
Talking turkey - hormones, breasts, nutrition: Episode 117
The bird’s the word, but when we’re talking turkey, what do all those labels REALLY mean? Peter Klaphake, a third generation turkey farmer from Minnesota, owns and operates turkey farms, a feed mill, and crop farming businesses. He’s also a current board member on the . “Our birds are never raised with added hormones or steroids. In fact, it’s illegal,” explains Klaphake. And while he goes into great detail on labeling, antibiotics, and what he wish consumers knew about raising turkey, he is deeply passionate about raising turkeys, despite all the challenges. “It is a very risky, demanding, and rewarding profession,” says Klaphake. “We either have to love what we do, are completely nuts, or a bit of both!” Listen in and learn more about how this lean, nutrient-dense protein makes its way to your table. For more information, visit .
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The great pumpkin! Episode 116
11/06/2023
The great pumpkin! Episode 116
Pick a pumpkin - but what kind? A self-proclaimed Professor of Pumpkinology, John Ackerman is the owner and operator of the farm bearing the same name that has been in his family for over a century. And while you may hear “pumpkin” and think of the jack-o-lantern variety, he and his wife grow an astounding number of breeds. While Ackerman has opened his farm to the public each fall for the past 24 years, the long hours and devotion to his land are consistent throughout the off-season. Pumpkin season may be a given, but the weather can determine great fluctuations in the farm’s income. A steward of his land, Ackerman shares his concerns with common misconceptions about farming practices. “While organic food is certainly growing in popularity, I have concerns that its production may be hard on the environment,” says Ackerman. Listen in for more reasons to eat a greater variety of pumpkins, how they’re grown, and just how many varieties are available. Learn more about Ackerman and his farm at .
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Gettin' figgy with it: Episode 115
10/16/2023
Gettin' figgy with it: Episode 115
"A little sugar is not always a bad thing!” Kevin Herman is a diversified farmer who grows crops you may have not heard much about, but his biggest crops are figs. And yes, there are more than one variety. He likens fig varieties to wine varieties - each with a distinct flavor and pairing opportunity. A nutritional powerhouse of fiber, calcium, and potassium, Herman views figs as a great replacement for candy bars. In this episode, he sheds light on the different varieties and their nuances in flavor, texture, and eye appeal, and shares some of his favorite preparation methods. If you're an RDN or into nutrition, be sure to listen. Herman also clears the air so to speak on the many ways in which farmers serve as environmentalists. “We all recognize the need for trees to help clean our air and we not only be on the loss of the rain forest but also spend billions every year to plant trees, well what about farmers, we plant millions of trees every year that not only feed the world but also clean the air!” To learn more about California-grown figs, visit .
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Fish farming, fear, and your food: Episode 114
10/02/2023
Fish farming, fear, and your food: Episode 114
Is “wild” fish somehow better for you than the farm-raised variety? Mike Freeze, owner of Keo Fish Farm, conservationist, environmentalist, and naturalist, offers his perspective based on years of fish farming. “For a variety of health reasons people need to consume more seafood and since we are fishing the oceans at maximum sustainable levels, only farmed seafood offers the possibility to increase seafood consumption,” says Freeze. While “wild” fish might be perceived as being more nutritious or somehow better for the environment, Freeze notes that their more affordable, farmed counterparts may be overlooked, and the consumer might be skipping fish altogether - and not meeting . He encourages RDNs and those who prioritize nutrition to consider fish an important part of their diet. Listen in for more information on the safety and sustainability of farmed fish in the nutrition world, as well as Freeze’s take on purchasing American-raised seafood.
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Cheesemaking - Paving the whey for fine spirits: Episode 113
09/18/2023
Cheesemaking - Paving the whey for fine spirits: Episode 113
Named after and guided by her parents, Jerry and Linda, Alise Sjostrom’s Jer-Lindy Farms produces award-winning cheeses. A graduate of the University of Minnesota and Vermont Institue for Artisan Cheese, Sjostrom is quick to point out the biggest misconception about her line of work - that being lactose intolerant means you can’t enjoy the fruits of her labor. “Cheese is actually quite low in lactose compared to dairy products like milk, cream, and yogurt,” says Sjostrom. “Most contain less than 2g per one ounce serving, which is far less than the 12-13g found in a one cup serving of milk.” Crediting the lessons she’s learned along the way from others in the cheese industry and her team of owners and employees, Sjostrom not only produces cheese with her team at Redhead Creamery, but the business is also making it foray into the spirits industry. Listen in to find out which by-product of the cheese-making process is making its way into cocktails. To learn more about Sjostrom or to order Cheese, visit . Find her on and .
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Back to school with agriculture & nutrition: Episode 112
09/05/2023
Back to school with agriculture & nutrition: Episode 112
With back to school in full swing, Michele and Nicole talk with Katie Pratt and Amanda Radke on the latest podcast episode. While each of these women wears many hats (farmers, mothers, and pillars of their respective communities), they both work to increase literacy about food, farming, ranching, and nutrition in the classroom. As misinformation can spread early in life, Pratt keeps an open door (literally - as the host of many tours of her farm) and creates a safe space for elementary and junior high school students to learn more about where their food comes from. “When a student asks a specific question about organic foods or corn syrup or gluten, it comes from a place of curiosity and one influenced usually by a social trend and not factual information,” says Pratt. Radke, who in addition to ranching, retailing, parenting, and public speaking is also a published author of eight children’s books, shares how misconceptions and misinformation can impact the ag community at large. “When these misconceptions permeate popular culture, it impacts politics, perceptions, consumer buying trends, food prices, regulations, etc.,” notes Radke. Listen in for best practices on communicating with young consumers, empowering them to feel good about their food choices, and ideas on how RDNs can better engage youth in their nutrition choices. Learn more about Katie at and visit her on . Visit Amanda at , on , , , and .
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