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Want to learn more about Adventure and Experiential Education? Then this podcast is for you! Listeners of this podcast will get; - Adventure Programming Theory - Facilitation Tips - Activity Ideas - Industry Career Advice - Interviews from Industry Professionals High 5 Adventure Learning Center is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to helping individuals, teams, schools, communities and businesses improve the way they live, learn and work together. Connect with us at high5adventure.org
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The Keys to Resilience | Dr. Kate Lund
11/18/2025
The Keys to Resilience | Dr. Kate Lund
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Dr. Kate Lund explore the concept of resilience, particularly in the context of parenting and education. They discuss the importance of fostering resilience in children, the role of parents in modeling behavior, and the impact of anxiety across generations. The conversation also touches on the challenges of navigating independence in a digital age, the significance of a growth mindset, and practical strategies like the 'daily wins' exercise to enhance resilience. Dr. Lund shares personal experiences and insights from her work, emphasizing that perfect parenting is a myth and that resilience can be cultivated through intentional practices. Resilience involves a set of skills and strategies for navigating challenges. Parents play a crucial role in fostering resilience in their children. Anxiety is more openly discussed today than in previous generations. Independence for children should be balanced with safety and guidance. Social media can impact children's self-regulation and mental health. Resilience is linked to a growth mindset and the belief in possibilities. Daily reflection on positive experiences can shift negative self-talk. Modeling resilience is important for children to learn effective coping strategies. The concept of perfect parenting is unrealistic and can create pressure. Building resilience takes time and requires a holistic approach. Learn more about Dr. Lund - Contact the podcast - Support the podcast - Music and sound effects -
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Finding our Facilitator Personality | Rach Davis
11/04/2025
Finding our Facilitator Personality | Rach Davis
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Rach Davis explore the complexities of facilitation, particularly focusing on the dynamics of introversion, energy management, and the importance of personal style in facilitating workshops. They discuss the need for downtime after high-energy sessions, and the adaptability required in facilitation practices. Rach shares insights on balancing personal and professional energy, the evolution of her facilitation style, and the significance of creating engaging environments for participants. The conversation emphasizes the importance of self-awareness, flexibility, and continuous learning in the facilitation process. Selective introversion affects energy levels during facilitation. Facilitators often wear a 'mask' in professional settings. Downtime is essential for recharging after high-energy sessions. Balancing personal and professional energy is crucial. Facilitation does not always need to be high energy. Understanding participant dynamics enhances facilitation effectiveness. Personal facilitation style evolves over time. Flexibility in facilitation techniques is important. Continuous learning is key to effective facilitation. Learn more about Rach - Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Support the podcast - Music and sound effects - www.epidemicsound.com
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High Ropes for All | Graeme Hill
10/28/2025
High Ropes for All | Graeme Hill
In this conversation, Phil and Graeme Hill discuss the importance of inclusivity in outdoor activities, particularly for individuals with disabilities and neurodivergent conditions. They explore the barriers that prevent participation, the need for a focus on abilities rather than disabilities, and the role of instructors and administrators in creating accessible environments. Graeme shares insights from his extensive experience in the field, emphasizing the importance of adapting programming and equipment to meet the needs of all participants. The discussion also touches on changing attitudes towards disability, financial considerations, and the future of inclusive outdoor activities. Inclusivity in outdoor activities is essential for everyone. Focus on abilities rather than disabilities to empower participants. Barriers to participation often come from misconceptions and risk aversion. Instructors need training to support neurodivergent individuals effectively. Changing attitudes towards disability is crucial for progress. Financial arguments against inclusivity can be weak if not researched. The journey to participation is as important as the activity itself. Technical adaptations can enhance accessibility without expensive equipment. Promoting positive imagery of diverse participants is vital. The future of outdoor activities should be fully inclusive for all abilities. Connect with Graeme - Connect with the podcast; email - instagram - Support the podcast - Music and sound effects -
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Strategies for Psychological Safety | Dee Scarano
10/21/2025
Strategies for Psychological Safety | Dee Scarano
This conversation with Dee Scarano delves into the concept of psychological safety, emphasizing the importance of honesty and vulnerability in communication. Dee shares how fear of judgment can hinder open expression and explore practical strategies for creating an environment where individuals feel safe to share their thoughts. They highlight the significance of anonymity, comfort zones, and standardized formats in fostering inclusivity and collaboration. Honesty in communication fosters psychological safety. Psychological safety allows individuals to voice their thoughts without fear. Fear of judgment is a significant barrier to open communication. Anonymity is crucial for creating a safe space for sharing ideas. Building comfort zones is essential before encouraging risk-taking. Standardized formats help ensure equal contributions from all participants. Facilitators must create structures that promote psychological safety. Understanding human behavior is key to effective facilitation. Sharing knowledge within the facilitation community is vital. Vulnerability can lead to stronger connections and collaboration. Learn more about Dee - https://www.deescarano.com/ Dee on LinkedIn - Support the podcast - Music and sound effects -
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Super Curious to Ask | Chad Littlefield & Sherry Bagley
10/14/2025
Super Curious to Ask | Chad Littlefield & Sherry Bagley
In this engaging podcast episode, Phil Brown, Sherry Bagley, and Chad Littlefield explore the themes of curiosity, experiential education, and the importance of relationships in facilitation. They discuss how questions can unlock deeper conversations, the significance of observation in understanding group dynamics, and the value of critique for continuous improvement. The conversation also touches on the role of charisma and authenticity in facilitation, the necessity of structure, and the inspiration drawn from community and relationships. The episode concludes with reflections on personal growth and the power of asking questions. Questions are the key that unlocks the door to deeper understanding. Building relationships is foundational in experiential education. Observation is crucial for facilitators to meet group needs. Critique is essential for continuous improvement in practice. Staying curious prevents stagnation in long-term facilitation. Charisma can be developed as a skill over time. Structure in facilitation can enhance engagement and effectiveness. Finding inspiration often comes from connecting with new people. The power of relationships is central to effective education. Asking questions can lead to unexpected and enriching conversations. Come hang out with the Phil, Chad and Sherry at the AEE conference - Learn more about AEE - Connect with the podcast - email - instagram - Support the podcast - Music and sound effects -
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How to Identify and Beat Burnout | Jimmy Burroughes
10/07/2025
How to Identify and Beat Burnout | Jimmy Burroughes
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Jimmy Burroughes delve into the critical issue of burnout in the workplace, exploring its definitions, symptoms, personal experiences, and the broader implications for organizations. They discuss the alarming statistics surrounding employee engagement and burnout, emphasizing the need for effective strategies to combat these issues. Jimmy shares his personal journey through burnout and the lessons learned, while also providing actionable advice for leaders and organizations to foster a healthier work environment. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding burnout not just as an individual issue, but as a systemic challenge that affects overall organizational health and productivity. Burnout is defined by the imbalance between expectations and ability. Key symptoms of burnout include anxiety, isolation, and a lack of care. Many high achievers are at risk of burnout due to their commitment. The workplace has become more demanding, leading to increased burnout rates. Effective communication and role clarity are essential in preventing burnout. Leaders must model healthy boundaries and the ability to say no. Creating headspace is crucial for reflection and prioritization. Simplifying processes can help teams work more effectively. Reducing burnout can significantly enhance productivity and engagement. Organizations must recognize the financial implications of burnout. Learn more about Jimmy - Connect with Jimmy - Connect with the podcast - Support the podcast - Music and sound effects -
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High 5 Adventure's 25th Anniversary
09/30/2025
High 5 Adventure's 25th Anniversary
This episode celebrates the 25th anniversary of High 5 Adventure Learning Center, featuring stories and interviews from participants who share their transformative experiences. The conversation highlights the impact of adventure education on personal growth, community building, and the importance of relationships in fostering confidence and leadership skills. Order of interviews; 1 - Ron Vercellone - Dean of Students, Greater Lowell Technical High School 2 - Bob Rojee - Senior Advisor, SPARC (Summer Programs and Auxiliary Revenue Collaborative) 3 - Alycia Nored - Wellness Teacher, Cony Middle and High School 4 - Dave Langston - Camp Dudley/ Camp Kiniya 5 - Nicki Hall - Founding Member of High 5 25th Anniversary Online Auction - Support the podcast - Music and sound effects -
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Emergent Facilitation | Rebecca Courtney
09/23/2025
Emergent Facilitation | Rebecca Courtney
Phil Brown and Rebecca Courtney delve into the concept of emergent facilitation, exploring its principles, preparation strategies, and the importance of building connections with participants. They discuss the challenges of facilitating in corporate environments, the value of addressing fears, and the benefits of working with challenging groups. The conversation emphasizes the need for facilitators to trust their intuition and adapt to the needs of the group, moving away from rigid agendas to a more fluid approach. Rebecca shares insights on how they teach emergent facilitation at AJ&Smart, highlighting the importance of resilience and adaptability in the role of a facilitator. Emergent facilitation is about adaptability and flow. Unshakeability is crucial for facilitators. Experience helps build resilience in facilitation. Preparation involves both mental and physical readiness. Connecting with participants is essential before diving into content. Addressing fears can shift group energy positively. Challenging groups can lead to greater facilitator growth. Trusting your intuition is key in facilitation. Agendas should be flexible to meet group needs. Teaching emergent facilitation focuses on building confidence and skills. Learn more about AJ&Smart; Connect with Rebecca on LinkedIn - Connect with the podcast; email - instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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What Makes a Great Group?
09/16/2025
What Makes a Great Group?
In this conversation, Phil and Lisa explore the complexities of defining what makes a group great in a facilitation context. They discuss the role of the facilitator's ego, the subjective nature of group dynamics, and the importance of evaluating success beyond personal feelings. The dialogue emphasizes the need for facilitators to balance their own experiences with the goals of the group, ultimately leading to a deeper understanding of participant engagement and learning outcomes. A great group often means the facilitator felt liked. Facilitators' egos can influence their perception of group success. Group dynamics are subjective and can vary by facilitator. Struggle in a group can lead to greater learning experiences. It's important to evaluate groups based on goals, not just feelings. Facilitators should embrace their humanity in the process. The definition of a great group can differ among facilitators. Patience and support within a group enhance the experience. Fun and challenge can coexist in group settings. Questions about group success should be more nuanced. Connect with the podcast - email - instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Kids These Days | Will Dobud
09/09/2025
Kids These Days | Will Dobud
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Will Dobud discuss the themes of youth mental health, the perceptions of today's youth, and the importance of experiential education. They explore the origins of the book 'Kids These Days', the societal tendency to label and control youth, and the historical context of education and mental health. The discussion emphasizes the need for adults to rethink their approach to youth, focusing on building connections and understanding the environmental influences on development. Historical figures have often lamented the state of youth, dating back to Socrates. Overprotection of youth can lead to disconnection and misunderstanding. Experiential education allows youth to take risks and learn from failures. The industrialized education system may not serve the needs of today's youth. Mental health diagnoses may reflect societal failures rather than individual issues. Youth can be seen as indicators of societal health, akin to canaries in coal mines. Environmental factors significantly influence youth development and mental health. Building connections with youth requires understanding their unique experiences. Sitting and sharing meals with youth fosters connection and understanding. Find more info about the book - https://www.kidsthesedaysbook.com/ Connect with Will - wdobud@csu.edu.au Connect with Phil; email - instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Cultural Perspectives in Facilitation
09/02/2025
Cultural Perspectives in Facilitation
In this conversation, Phil shares his experiences and observations regarding cultural differences in facilitation and education between the United States and England. He discusses the energetic and often overly positive approach prevalent in American facilitation, contrasting it with the more reserved and dry style he associates with English culture. The conversation also touches on language barriers, particularly the use of cursing, and how these cultural nuances impact communication and facilitation styles. Phil emphasizes the importance of understanding these differences to enhance the effectiveness of facilitation across diverse cultural contexts. Phil reflects on his blend of American and English styles. American facilitation often feels overly peppy to Phil. He finds certain American facilitation stories unnecessary. Phil associates American culture with toxic positivity. Cursing is more accepted in England than in the U.S. Language context is crucial in communication. Facilitation styles vary significantly across cultures. Summer camp culture influences American facilitation. Phil notes that English facilitation is less playful. Understanding cultural differences is key to effective facilitation. Connect with Phil; email - instagram - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org
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Navigating Challenging Dialogue Workshop | Lisa Hunt
08/26/2025
Navigating Challenging Dialogue Workshop | Lisa Hunt
In this episode, Phil Brown and Lisa Hunt discuss the upcoming workshop offering, 'Navigating Challenging Dialogue,' exploring its framework, importance, and real-life applications. They delve into the reasons why people avoid difficult conversations, the steps involved in preparing for such dialogues, and the benefits of personal scenarios in workshops. The conversation emphasizes the value of communication skills in various contexts, aiming to equip listeners with tools to navigate challenging dialogues effectively. Navigating challenging dialogue is a common human experience. Many avoid difficult conversations due to fear of damaging relationships. Preparation is key to effective communication in challenging dialogues. The process involves identifying the story in your head and relevant facts. Emotions are important but should be managed during difficult conversations. Real-life scenarios enhance the learning experience in workshops. Everyone can benefit from improving their communication skills. The workshop is designed for anyone in a position to give feedback. Challenging conversations can strengthen relationships rather than harm them. Having a clear process reduces anxiety in difficult dialogues. Learn more about the workshop - Connect with Lisa - Connect with Phil; Email - Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Introversion, ADHD and Education | Kyrus Keenan Westcott (@thevibewithky)
08/19/2025
Introversion, ADHD and Education | Kyrus Keenan Westcott (@thevibewithky)
"ADHD is not an excuse, it's a reason." In this episode, Phil and Ky Westcott (mental health advocate - @thevibewithky) delve into the complexities of introversion, mental health, and the evolving understanding of ADHD. They discuss the importance of authenticity in sharing personal struggles, the rise in ADHD diagnoses, and the need for better education around mental health in schools. Ky shares his journey from injury to self-discovery through social media, emphasizing the significance of vulnerability and emotional intelligence in today's youth. The conversation highlights the impact of societal changes on mental health awareness and the importance of supporting individuals in their mental health journeys. Introversion does not limit performative abilities. The journey of self-discovery can start from personal struggles. Social media can be a platform for authenticity and connection. ADHD awareness is increasing due to more open conversations. Education systems need to adapt to the emotional intelligence of students. Mental health discussions were lacking in past generations. ADHD is a spectrum that evolves over time. Vulnerability in adults can positively influence youth. Stories of late diagnoses highlight the need for awareness. Support and understanding are crucial for mental health management. Find Ky; Instagram - @thevibewithky TikTok - @thevibewithky Listen to his podcast - Emotions by High 5 - https://store.high5adventure.org/collections/high-5-products/products/emotions-by-high-5 Connect with Phil; Email - Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Play Pointers written by Karl Rohnke
08/12/2025
Play Pointers written by Karl Rohnke
In this episode, Phil revisits the influential book 'Silver Bullets' by Karl Rohnke, sharing key insights and play pointers that remain relevant in adventure education today. He emphasizes the importance of engagement, flexibility in rules, variety in activities, inclusivity in team selection, and self-competition, all aimed at enhancing the experiential learning process. Engagement in activities is crucial for effective learning. Flexibility in rules can enhance participation and enjoyment. Variety in activities prevents boredom and keeps participants engaged. Inclusivity in team selection fosters a sense of belonging. Self-competition encourages personal growth and motivation. Minimizing rules can lead to more dynamic and engaging activities. Bending rules can adapt activities to fit different groups. Avoiding repetitive activities maintains interest and excitement. Observation can be a valid form of participation. Karl Rohnke's principles continue to influence adventure education. Connect with Phil; email - instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Mastering Belaying: Essential Skills for Belayers
08/05/2025
Mastering Belaying: Essential Skills for Belayers
Phil discusses the top five skills essential for effective belaying. He emphasizes the importance of physicality, communication, adaptability, checklist adherence, and understanding physics in belaying. Each skill is explored in detail, providing insights and practical tips for both novice and experienced belayers. Phil encourages listeners to engage with him on social media to share their own insights and experiences. Belaying requires a solid understanding of physicality and stance. Effective communication with climbers builds trust and safety. Receiving feedback is crucial for improving belaying skills. Checklists help prevent complacency and ensure safety. Understanding physics can enhance belaying effectiveness. Maintaining a proper belay stance protects your body. Regular check-ins with climbers can improve their experience. Adaptability in technique is key to being a great belayer. Visual aids can enhance understanding of belaying techniques. Engagement with the climbing community fosters learning and growth. Contact Phil; email - instagram - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Organizational Culture and Staff Retention | Jim Grout
07/29/2025
Organizational Culture and Staff Retention | Jim Grout
This conversation delves into the significance of organizational culture, emphasizing its role in staff retention, employee engagement, and overall organizational health. Phil and Jim discuss the intentional strategies employed at High 5 to foster a positive culture, the importance of personal connections, and how challenges can test and strengthen that culture. They highlight the need for organizations to prioritize relationships and create environments conducive to growth, ultimately leading to a more engaged and committed workforce. Culture is integral to what we do. Creating conditions suitable for growth is essential. Modeling good culture is more impactful than direct advice. Building connections and relationships is key to retention. Simple gestures can significantly enhance workplace culture. People leave jobs due to feelings, not just salary. Intentional strategies are necessary for fostering culture. Personal connections enhance team dynamics and morale. Culture is tested during challenging times, revealing its strength. A strong culture can coexist with financial success. Connect with Phil; email - instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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T.E.A.M Communication Styles | Alan Krieger
07/22/2025
T.E.A.M Communication Styles | Alan Krieger
In this episode of Vertical Playpen, Phil and Alan Krieger discuss the significance of understanding different communication styles. Alan shares insights from his extensive experience in team development, emphasizing that effective communication is not just about conveying a message but also about recognizing and adapting to the communication preferences of others. They explore the TEAM communication model, which categorizes individuals based on their task orientation and decision-making styles, highlighting the importance of tailoring communication to foster better collaboration and understanding in teams. Communication is a skill that needs to be practiced. People have different communication preferences that affect interactions. Our intentions as communicators can be misinterpreted by others. Respectful behavior varies between individuals and contexts. Understanding communication styles can improve team dynamics. Quick decision-making can be more efficient in many situations. The TEAM model categorizes communication styles into four types. Task-oriented individuals prefer direct and efficient communication. Some people prioritize relationship-building over task completion. Tailoring communication to the audience is crucial for effectiveness. Learn more about TEAM - Connect with Alan - Check out Alan's podcast - Connect with Phil; email - instagram -https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Movement Therapy for Adventure Educators | Tom Swales, PT
07/15/2025
Movement Therapy for Adventure Educators | Tom Swales, PT
In this conversation, Phil and Tom Swales (Physiotherapist and strength coach) explore the intricacies of body movement, protection, and rehabilitation through the lens of the AMT (Advanced Movement Therapy) system. They discuss how adventure educators can better protect their bodies from the effects of repetitive strain due to movement such as belaying. Tom shares his personal journey of recovery from a severe illness, emphasizing the importance of foundational movement patterns and the body's ability to adapt and heal. The conversation highlights the necessity of teaching movement through experience and the value of lifelong learning in maintaining physical health. The AMT system was developed to address personal challenges in physical therapy. Understanding the psychology and biology of movement is crucial for effective therapy. Assessment should focus on identifying the root causes of movement issues. Proactive approaches in therapy lead to better long-term outcomes. Teaching movement through experience enhances understanding and retention. Personal experiences can reinforce the principles of movement and recovery. Individualized care is essential for effective rehabilitation. The body has an innate ability to reorganize and heal itself with the right guidance. Complicated explanations can hinder understanding; simplicity is key. Lifelong learning and adaptation are vital for maintaining physical health. Learn more about Tom and AMT Systems - Connect with Phil; email - instagram - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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The Art of Communication | Salvatore Manzi
07/08/2025
The Art of Communication | Salvatore Manzi
In this episode, Phil and Salvatore Manzi delve into the art of communication, particularly in educational settings. They discuss the significance of building trust through authentic communication, the importance of engaging introductions, and the impact of presence on audience perception. Salvatore shares insights on overcoming imposter syndrome and the balance between planning and spontaneity in communication. The conversation also highlights the role of storytelling in effective communication and concludes with Salvatore's upcoming book, 'Clear and Compelling,' aimed at empowering individuals to express their authentic voices. Glossophobia is a prevalent fear that affects many people. Effective communication is essential for creating impact and influence. Building trust with participants is crucial for facilitators. Vulnerability in communication fosters deeper connections. Engaging introductions can capture audience attention. Presence and body language significantly affect audience perception. Charisma can be developed and is not solely innate. Imposter syndrome can hinder effective communication. Practice and feedback are vital for improving communication skills. Storytelling is a powerful tool for engaging audiences. Learn more about Salvatore - Info about the book - Connect with Phil; email - instagram - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Facilitating Reflections | Thomas Lahnthaler
07/01/2025
Facilitating Reflections | Thomas Lahnthaler
In this episode, Phil interviews Thomas Lahnthaler about his book 'Facilitating Reflections'. They discuss the inspiration behind the book, the role of facilitators, essential skills needed, and the concept of self-harming humility in facilitation. Thomas emphasizes the importance of recognizing one's contributions and the need for facilitators to be aware of their impact on group dynamics. The conversation also touches on the evolution of facilitation practices and the balance between experience and new facilitators. Critique is essential for growth and care. Facilitators should not be the sole source of answers. Facilitation is about navigating human dynamics. Self-harming humility can hinder facilitators' growth. Facilitators need to acknowledge their contributions. Awareness is crucial for effective facilitation. Facilitators should embrace their unique styles. Reflection is key to improving facilitation skills. Facilitators must adapt to each unique group. The book encourages introspection and personal growth. Learn more about Thomas - https://www.lahnthaler.com/ Connect with Thomas - thomas@lahnthaler.com Purchase the book - https://a.co/d/4E9fjKc Thomas' LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaslahnthaler/ Connect with Phil - podcast@high5adventure.org Podcast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/verticalplaypen/ Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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"Can I Come Down?..YES!"
06/10/2025
"Can I Come Down?..YES!"
In this episode, Phil Brown discusses the importance of empowering participants in climbing activities by allowing them to make choices about their experience, particularly the choice to come down when they feel uncomfortable. He challenges traditional mindsets that prioritize reaching the top as the ultimate goal and emphasizes the need for facilitators to listen to participants' needs and create a supportive environment. Phil advocates for a shift in perspective that prioritizes emotional safety and encourages facilitators to critically evaluate their programming and language to enhance the overall experience for all participants. If a participant wants to come down, always say yes. Celebrating those who advocate for themselves is crucial. Reaching the top shouldn't be the only measure of success. Facilitators must balance challenge and panic for participants. It's important to honor participants' choices for emotional safety. Encouragement should be framed with respect for individual needs. Program design should allow for adequate time and support. Language used in facilitation can impact participants' experiences. Facilitators should continuously critique and improve their programming. Empowering participants leads to better outcomes in climbing experiences. Connect with Phil - Instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and Sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Challenging the Accessibility of Outdoor Education | Devin Farkas
06/03/2025
Challenging the Accessibility of Outdoor Education | Devin Farkas
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Devin Farkas discuss the evolving landscape of outdoor education, focusing on accessibility, the importance of experiential learning, and the development of leadership skills in outdoor settings. They explore the core impacts of outdoor education, including confidence building and connection with nature, while also addressing the need to shift perspectives on risk and challenge. The discussion culminates in a vision for the future of outdoor education that emphasizes reducing barriers and enhancing learning experiences through outdoor spaces. Outdoor education should be accessible to all, not just the adventurous few. Experiential learning is key to achieving educational outcomes. Confidence, connection, and skill development are core impacts of outdoor education. The focus should be on creating meaningful experiences, not just flashy adventures. Leadership development is best achieved in low-risk environments. Facilitators should allow discomfort to foster learning opportunities. The situational leadership model can enhance group dynamics. Outdoor education can be integrated into everyday learning environments. The future of outdoor education lies in reducing barriers and enhancing accessibility. Learn more about Devin - workwithdevin.com Connect with Phil - Instagram - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Near Misses on the Challenge Course
05/27/2025
Near Misses on the Challenge Course
In this conversation, Phil Brown discusses the nuances of training in challenge courses, emphasizing the importance of shared experiences and safety protocols. He recounts a near miss incident involving a participant and a helmet, highlighting the lessons learned and the need for vigilance among facilitators. The discussion encourages a culture of continuous learning. Facilitators should encourage discussions about impactful moments. Safety protocols must be adapted based on real experiences. Helmets can be both beneficial and problematic in certain scenarios. Vigilance is crucial when managing participants on challenge courses. Facilitators should practice lowering techniques before climbing. Sharing stories helps build a learning community. Anecdotal experiences can provide valuable lessons not found in manuals. Continuous learning is essential in the outdoor education industry. Engagement with the community can lead to shared insights and improvements. Connect with Phil - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org
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The Power of Play | Ken Weisner
05/13/2025
The Power of Play | Ken Weisner
In this conversation, Phil Brown and Ken Weisner explore the significance of play in learning and personal development. Ken shares his journey into the world of play, highlighting key moments that shaped his understanding of its importance. They discuss the barriers adults face in engaging with play, the marketing challenges within the industry, and the profound impact play can have on team dynamics and personal growth. Ken emphasizes the essential qualities of a facilitator in creating a playful environment, underscoring the need for energy and passion in facilitating play. In this conversation, Ken Weisner shares insights on the importance of play in education and personal development. He emphasizes the need for a playful mindset, engaging activities, and the power of empathy in connecting with participants. Ken discusses his favorite activities that foster connection and learning, and he reflects on his journey towards writing a book about the significance of play. Play is essential for learning and personal growth. Experiences in Montessori education can reshape perspectives on learning. Adults often fear looking silly, which hinders their ability to play. Creating a safe environment is crucial for adult play. Marketing play effectively can change perceptions of its value. Fun experiences can lead to significant personal insights. Team bonding through play can enhance relationships and performance. Facilitators must exude energy and passion to engage participants. Reflection can occur without verbal reporting; internalization is key. Play can break down barriers and foster connections among diverse groups. You have to have a child's mind. Learn more about Ken - Ask me a question - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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The Experiential Learning Cycle (ELC) | Romy Alexandra
05/06/2025
The Experiential Learning Cycle (ELC) | Romy Alexandra
In this conversation, Romy Alexandra discusses the concept of experiential learning, sharing her personal journey and insights into how experiential education can transform traditional learning methods. She emphasizes the importance of engaging learners through experience, reflection, and action, and explores the experiential learning cycle and various learning styles. The discussion also highlights the significance of reflection in the learning process and how it can be made more engaging. Romy shares practical strategies for facilitators to enhance their teaching methods and the need to bridge theory and practice in education. Experiential learning is about learning through experience, reflection, thinking, and acting. Reflection is essential for deep learning and should be varied to keep it engaging. Learning styles are preferences that can change over time and should not box learners in. The experiential learning cycle can be applied to all aspects of life, not just formal education. Peer learning is often more impactful than facilitator-led instruction. Creating a safe space for reflection can lead to powerful insights and learning outcomes. Facilitators should strive to engage all learning styles in their teaching methods. The journey of learning is continuous and can spiral into deeper understanding and action. Connect with Romy - Connect with Phil - Support the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Lighthouse Parenting | Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg
04/29/2025
Lighthouse Parenting | Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg
In this conversation, Phil and Dr. Kenneth Ginsburg discuss the concept of Lighthouse Parenting, a metaphor that emphasizes the importance of being a stable and guiding presence in a child's life. Dr. Ginsburg explains how this approach balances love and protection while allowing children to take healthy risks. They explore the role of adults in modeling behavior, the impact of stress and anxiety on children, and the challenges posed by technology and social media. The discussion highlights the need for emotional vulnerability in adults and the importance of fostering interdependence in future generations. Lighthouse Parenting is about balancing love and protection. Role modeling is crucial for children to take healthy risks. Children need stable relationships to thrive emotionally. Stress is a significant factor in unhealthy risk-taking. Preparation is a form of protection for children. Overprotection can lead to anxiety in children. Social media has both positive and negative impacts on youth. Emotional vulnerability in adults fosters connection with children. Teaching basic human connection is essential before introducing technology. Interdependence is key to raising secure and confident children. Learn more about Dr. Ginsburg - https://www.fosteringresilience.com/ Purchase the book - Connect with the podcast - Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Communication in the Classroom | Mike Anderson
04/22/2025
Communication in the Classroom | Mike Anderson
In this episode, the conversation focuses on the importance of communication in education, featuring insights from Anne Louise Wagner, Ryan McCormick and Mike Anderson. They discuss the barriers to effective communication, the significance of modeling appropriate communication for students, and the creation of a safe learning environment. The speakers emphasize the role of humor and personal connections in enhancing communication, as well as the need for continuous improvement in communication skills. They also explore the challenges of adapting communication styles in different contexts and the powerful influence adults have on shaping student communication behaviors. Teachers often unintentionally send mixed messages to students. Modeling appropriate communication is crucial for student learning. Creating a safe environment encourages students to take risks. Humor and playfulness can enhance communication in the classroom. Personal connections foster a positive learning atmosphere. Awareness of tone and body language impacts communication effectiveness. Adults should model the behavior they want to see in students. Communication skills can always be improved and refined. Mistakes in communication provide opportunities for growth. Learn more about Mike: https://leadinggreatlearning.com/ Connect with Anne Louise - alwagner@high5adventure.org Connect with Ryan - rmccormick@high5adventure.org Connect with Phil; Email - Instagram - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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National FFA Organization (Future Farmers of America) | Dr. Travis Park
04/15/2025
National FFA Organization (Future Farmers of America) | Dr. Travis Park
"Learning to do, doing to learn" Phil, alongside guest host Jamie Thibodeau, is joined by Dr. Travis Park to explore the National FFA Organization's mission and its connection to experiential education. Travis discusses the importance of agricultural education in developing leadership, personal growth, and career success among students. The discussion highlights the role of experiential learning in FFA programs, the leadership development opportunities available to students, and the empowerment of youth through peer leadership. The conversation concludes with insights on collaboration between FFA and experiential education organizations. FFA is an agricultural leadership organization for students. The mission of FFA is to develop leadership and career success. Experiential education is integral to FFA's teaching methods. Students engage in supervised agricultural experiences (SAEs). Peer leadership is a key component of FFA's structure. FFA chapters empower students to lead their peers. Leadership development occurs through conferences and workshops. FFA provides opportunities for networking and mentorship. Agriculture teachers play a crucial role in student development. Collaboration between FFA and experiential education can enhance learning. Learn more about the FFA - Connect with Phil; Email - Instagram - Donate to the podcast - verticalplaypen.org Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Deliberate Creative Teams | Dr. Amy Climer
04/08/2025
Deliberate Creative Teams | Dr. Amy Climer
In this conversation, Phil Brown interviews Amy Climer about her new book, 'Deliberate Creative Teams.' They discuss the importance of creativity in teams, the misconceptions surrounding creativity, and the role of education in stifling creative potential. Amy shares insights on how to facilitate creativity within teams, the concept of creative abrasion, and the creative spectrum that teams can navigate to enhance their innovative capabilities. The discussion emphasizes the need for structure in creative processes and the potential for individuals and teams to elevate their creative output. Amy's book is based on her PhD research on creativity in teams. Creativity is often misunderstood; it's about problem-solving, not just artistic ability. Education systems can diminish creativity by promoting standardized answers. Creativity can be learned and developed over time. Facilitators play a crucial role in creating environments for creativity. Creative abrasion allows for healthy conflict and idea generation. Group think can stifle innovation and should be avoided. Teams can be categorized on a spectrum from destructive to scalable in terms of creativity. Setting clear expectations and structures can enhance creative processes. The ultimate goal is to help teams and individuals reach their full creative potential. Get Amy's Book - Learn more about the book - Connect with Amy - Connect with Phil - Instagram - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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Master of Education (MEd) in Adventure Education | Springfield College | Angie Veatch and Ted France
04/01/2025
Master of Education (MEd) in Adventure Education | Springfield College | Angie Veatch and Ted France
Phil Brown, Angie Veach, and Ted France discuss the newly launched Masters of Education in Adventure Education program at Springfield College. They explore the intent behind creating the program, the importance of legitimacy in the field, and the need for a curriculum that respects and incorporates experiential learning. The discussion also touches on the significance of breaking down silos in education, the role of language in making education accessible, and the essential facilitation skills that students will develop. Finally, they share their hopes for the future of adventure education and the specifics of the program's application process. The program aims to fill a void in adventure education. Legitimacy in adventure education is crucial for professional growth. Experiential learning is at the core of the curriculum. Breaking down silos can enhance collaboration across disciplines. Facilitation skills are essential for effective teaching and learning. The program is designed to be flexible for working professionals. Students will learn to create psychologically safe environments. The future of adventure education lies in developing thinking practitioners. Language used in education should be accessible and relatable. The program encourages individual connections and personalized learning paths. Learn more about the MEd - Connect with Angie Veatch - aveatch@springfieldcollege.edu Connect with Ted France - Connect with Kristi Jacobi - Connect with Phil; Email - Instagram - @verticalplaypen Support the podcast - Music and sound effects - epidemicsound.com
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