Allyship in Action
Allyship doesn’t happen by accident. It requires intention, action, and consistency. The goal of Allyship in Action is to provide practical, actionable tools from inclusion experts that people can be more actionable allies at work.
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326: The Engagement Paradox: Why Leaders and Gen Z Are Both Disengaged with Sean D'Arcy
12/28/2025
326: The Engagement Paradox: Why Leaders and Gen Z Are Both Disengaged with Sean D'Arcy
Join us for an insightful conversation on the critical state of workplace culture and talent retention with Sean D'Arcy, Chief Solutions Officer at Kahoot!. Based on their latest research, we explore a startling paradox: many leaders are burned out, and nearly half would give up their title to feel engaged at work. This lack of manager engagement creates a difficult environment for the newest generation, with almost two-thirds of managers finding Gen Z to be the hardest group to engage. Sean D'Arcy dives deep into the findings on both leader burnout and Gen Z's unique needs, covering generational tensions and the path forward. He discusses how to leverage tools and strategies, including game-based learning, to inject fun, social connection, and psychological safety back into the workplace, turning meetings into interactive discussions and fostering a culture where all employees can thrive. Three Key Takeaways for Workplace Culture and Talent Retention The Engagement Crisis Starts at the Top: Nearly half of leaders would trade their title just to feel more engaged at work, with a third admitting to feeling burned out. This disengagement at the leadership level makes it difficult to effectively engage and retain employees, highlighting a lack of investment in the training and tools managers need to succeed. Gen Z Needs Foundational Skills and Belonging: Gen Z is the most difficult generation to engage, with two-thirds of managers citing them as the hardest group to motivate. They often feel "out of their depth" regarding basic workplace operating systems (like email etiquette and meeting facilitation) and crave more structured, gamified learning and real-time feedback that mimics their prior educational experiences. Furthermore, they value strong relationships and a sense of belonging/psychological safety, which is essential for talent retention. Interactive Learning and Culture Building are the Solution: A key strategy for improving workplace culture and talent retention is integrating interactive, gamified tools to facilitate social connection and effective communication. By turning one-way presentations into engaging discussions, companies can break the ice, democratize participation, and gather real-time analytics to understand where employees need more support. This shift supports the inclusive, feedback-driven culture that Gen Z, in particular, expects. Get the full report at: https://kahoot.com/business/workplace-engagement-report-2025/
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325: When the Business Baby Meets the Biological Baby with Hana Milanov and Amelie Pahl
12/21/2025
325: When the Business Baby Meets the Biological Baby with Hana Milanov and Amelie Pahl
This week, I welcome researchers Hana Milanov and Amelie Pahl on their work exploring entrepreneurship through the lens of first-time parents. The researchers interviewed founders who were already deeply identified with their "venture baby" before having a "biological baby," challenging the common narrative that parenthood diminishes career success. They discovered that instead of being a hindrance, parenthood can be a catalyst for positive change in a founder's business and their professional growth. The key finding revolves around two main strategies founders adopt: Founder Firewalling: Keeping the parental and founder roles separate to protect the founder's professional identity and commitment. This often drives professionalization, like delegating or hiring management, to maintain separation. Founder Fusing: Integrating the two roles by allowing the new values and behaviors learned as a parent (like empathy and patience) to redefine and enhance the founder's role. This often leads to a more flexible and human-centered workplace culture. The surprising takeaway? The decision to integrate or separate was not defined by gender but by the individual's approach, with roughly a 50/50 split between the two strategies in their study of high-impact founders. 🌟 Three Takeaways for Workplace Culture and Talent Retention This research provides valuable insights for companies looking to improve their workplace culture and retain top talent, especially parents: Parenthood can be a catalyst for professionalization, enhancing retention: For "firewalling" founders, the need to protect their parental time often led to delegating operational tasks and building out middle management. This forced professionalization of the venture, which, in turn, can create a clearer path for other talented employees to grow and take on more responsibility, serving as a powerful talent retention mechanism. Parental skills enrich leadership and workplace culture: Founders who chose the "fusing" approach brought empathy, better project management, and flexibility from their parental role into the workplace. This shift manifested as a more human-centered company culture that prioritized well-being and flexibility, which are critical factors for retaining all employees, not just parents. Dismantle the "fear factor" to retain high-impact talent: A major hurdle, particularly for women, is the fear that starting a family will diminish their founder role or career trajectory. The research demonstrates that this fear is unwarranted, showing that commitment to the venture often strengthens post-parenthood. By normalizing and openly discussing the integration of family and career (like the Open Source Nanny resource mentioned), companies can retain founders and high-potential employees who might otherwise choose to delay or abandon their career growth.
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324: How To Meet Someone Where They Are At When Everything Is Changing with Mark Scullard
12/14/2025
324: How To Meet Someone Where They Are At When Everything Is Changing with Mark Scullard
Mark Scullard is this week's guest from Wiley. Wiley's research recently found that managing change was the biggest area of professional development investment for leaders. He shares how to meet someone where they are at in times of tremendous change. My key takeaways are: Acknowledge and Address the Emotional Toll of Change (The Change Curve): Leaders must understand that employees will naturally experience a period of disorientation and a drop in morale when facing a major change (the "change curve"). The goal is not to stop the dip, but to lessen the depth and the length of the adjustment period. This requires paying attention to the emotional part of change, which is often neglected in favor of focusing on systems and processes. Provide Clarity on the "Why" and the "What's In It For Me" (WIIFM): Leaders often forget that they've already processed the change while employees are just starting. There must be transparency about the why. It is crucial to communicate a consistent, big-picture "Why" for the change to guard against employee cynicism and burnout. Ensure employees understand the "What's In It For Me" (WIIFM)—the benefits for employees impacted by the change. Tailor Your Approach to Different Personality Needs (DiSC Model): Because every employee processes change differently, effective leadership requires personalizing your support based on their personality style. Direct (D) Styles need a sense of control and agency in the decision-making process. Influencing (I) Styles need connection and optimism that things will work out. Steadiness (S) Styles need stability, support, and reassurance around routines and expectations. Conscientiousness (C) Styles need information, understanding, and time/space to process the impact of the change. Follow Mark at https://www.everythingdisc.com/blogs/navigating-change-with-dr-mark-scullard/.
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323: Unpacking the 2025 Women in the Workplace Report with Rachel Thomas
12/09/2025
323: Unpacking the 2025 Women in the Workplace Report with Rachel Thomas
Get ready for your annual "Christmas morning" with this deep dive into the 2025 Lean In Women in the Workplace Report. In this candid conversation with Rachel Thomas, Co-founder and CEO of LeanIn.org, we discuss the key findings from the largest study on the state of women in Corporate America. The discussion highlights alarming signals in the data, including a potential rollback in the company's commitment to women's advancement and its effect on women's ambition. Rachel highlights the importance of the often underutilized role of sponsorship and issues a powerful call to action for companies and, critically, for middle managers. Tune in to learn about the fragility of the progress made over the last decade and discover specific, actionable strategies—including the innovative use of manager scripts and accountability measures—to unlock consistent career support and move toward a truly equitable and inclusive workplace. Key Takeaways: Declining Commitment and Ambition: Only half of companies report being highly committed to women’s career advancement, and this lack of commitment is mirrored by a decline in women's ambition, as they are now less interested in getting promoted to the next level for the first time. The Sponsorship Gap is Widening: Men are getting sponsors much earlier in their careers than women, and this gap is even more pronounced for entry-level women who work remotely. Sponsorship, or advocacy-style actions like being introduced to influential people or getting stretch opportunities, is a key lever that is consistently underutilized. Managers are the Key to Unlocking Progress: While managers generally have the right intent, they often lack the time and tools to offer consistent, high-quality, and equitable career support. Companies must treat manager support for career development as a priority by building it into performance reviews and leveraging tools like AI to free up manager time for critical tasks. Get the full report at: https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/women-in-the-workplace
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322: Reclaiming Our Agency in Leadership and Life with Jon Rosemberg
12/07/2025
322: Reclaiming Our Agency in Leadership and Life with Jon Rosemberg
Jon Rosemberg is the author of the new book, A Guide to Thriving. He was a successful leader in Corporate America and made a pivot to executive coaching. This conversation with Jon was truly insightful, reminding us that workplace culture and retention aren't just HR buzzwords, but are fundamentally linked to our ability to shift from surviving to thriving. My takeaways were: Prioritize Employee Agency to Foster a Thriving Workplace Culture: The shift from "survival mode" to thriving starts when individuals courageously reclaim their agency—the capacity to make intentional choices based on the belief that those choices matter and have an impact. In a workplace culture context, leaders must create an environment where employees feel their decisions are valued and that they have control over their work and well-being. This sense of agency is key to reducing burnout and fostering a motivated, engaged team, directly improving retention. Move Beyond Resilience to Cultivate Sustainable Health and Retention: While resilience is valuable, it's a "low bar"; it focuses on bouncing back from adversity without addressing the underlying causes of stress. A thriving workplace culture must focus on reducing "demands" and increasing "resources." For retention, this means leaders must actively help employees set boundaries and provide the necessary resources—like time for mental health practices (movement, rest, social connection)—so they don't constantly operate in an exhaustive, reactive "survival mode." Small, Incremental Practices are the Engine of Long-Term Transformation: The move from survival to thriving is not a sudden life-breakthrough, but a disciplined practice of small, incremental changes. Utilizing the AIR method (Awareness, Inquiry, Reframing) to challenge limiting beliefs and reframe situations allows individuals to gain context and move forward. In terms of workplace culture and retention, this translates to establishing sustainable, supported daily practices—not just one-off wellness programs—that compound over time, making it easier for employees to manage stress and stay engaged long-term. The biggest lesson is that the most powerful kind of thriving is when we help other people thrive, which should be the ultimate goal for any organization looking to build a successful workplace culture that supports retention. Follow Jon at https://www.jonrosemberg.com/.
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321: The Future of Education in an AI-Driven World with Melissa Loble
11/30/2025
321: The Future of Education in an AI-Driven World with Melissa Loble
In my new interview with Melissa Loble, Chief Academic Officer at Instructure, we discussed the evolving educational landscape. She made a few key predictions for the future of education in an AI-driven world: 1. The Blended Curriculum: Academic Content Merges with Human and Career Skills The traditional focus on purely academic content will radically shift. The future curriculum will be a blend that incorporates three critical components: Academic Content: The core disciplinary knowledge. Human Skills (Soft Skills): Due to AI handling entry-level technical tasks, there will be an increased emphasis on human skills like critical thinking, decision-making, problem-solving, confidence, and courage. Educators will need to explicitly teach and build these skills, moving beyond simply teaching the application of theories. Workforce/Life Skills: Education will be directly connected to career and life trajectories, driven by learners (especially younger generations) seeking a clear return on investment (ROI) from their education and questioning the value of high debt. 2. Contextual and Experiential Learning Replaces Rote Memorization The age of simple memorization and regurgitation will end. The new focus will be on creating contextual, personalized, and experiential learning environments. Focus on Context: Educators must shift from solely valuing content (like in research/peer-review) to emphasizing context—the "why" and "how" the content is applied in the real world. Simulation and Application: There will be a greater use of simulations, case-based learning, and hands-on scenarios to help learners practice and apply human skills and technical knowledge, allowing them to fail fast and build competence. AI can assist in creating these complex, customized case studies and learning environments. Practitioner-Academic Collaboration: Higher education will increasingly benefit from practitioners joining the faculty to bring real-world context, working alongside traditional academics to enrich the learning experience. 3. Corporate and Higher Education Learning Forge a Strategic Partnership The line between corporate learning and higher education will blur as both seek to adapt to the needs of the modern workforce. Corporate Learning Shifts: Corporate training will move away from being purely compliance-driven toward a focus on developing human and career-track skills. Employees, particularly Millennials and Gen Z, actively seek employers who commit to developing them as future leaders. Continuous Development: The "one-and-done" training model will be replaced by a commitment to lifelong learning and continuous development. This will include meeting people where they are and using retrieval practice and open coaching to reinforce skills and build resistance to change. Joint Reinvention: Higher education and the corporate world have a significant opportunity to partner and reinvent themselves together to effectively address the blend of technical and human skill development needed for an AI-enabled future. Follow Melissa at /
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320: Be Yourself at Work Through Agency, Emotional Health, and the Power of Compassion with Claude Silver
11/23/2025
320: Be Yourself at Work Through Agency, Emotional Health, and the Power of Compassion with Claude Silver
This week, I interviewed Claude Silver, the Chief Heart Officer at VaynerX. Her new book, Be Yourself at Work, offers key insights into the role of authenticity in the workplace culture and its impact on retention. Here are my three key takeaways: 1. Authenticity as a Business Superpower for Workplace Culture The core message is to "be yourself at work," which Silver argues is today's greatest business superpower. This speaks directly to workplace culture, suggesting that genuine self-expression, rather than hiding or "code-switching," is crucial for both individual and organizational success. Silver makes the case that true authenticity is a proactive, offensive message that drives success, contrasting it with the "lazy" or "shrinking" tendency to hide emotions or true selves out of fear. A culture that embraces the "complexity of being human at work" fosters a space where people not only fit in but truly belong. 2. Prioritizing Emotional Health and Agency to Improve Retention Silver shares a powerful anecdote about an employee who was struggling with depression but felt safe enough to approach her, which led to a profound, empathetic exchange. This highlights the importance of addressing the emotional well-being of employees, a critical factor for retention. The takeaway is that leaders must be: Receptive: Willing to step away from traditional, transactional HR responses to meet employees where they are. Empathetic: Approaching conversations with non-judgmental sincerity and compassion. Furthermore, Silver emphasizes that employees always have agency and choice. For individuals, the first step is to get comfortable with themselves—to address shame, fear, and insecurity—to become the "CEO of you". This focus on personal agency and psychological safety is vital for building trust and creating a culture where employees feel valued enough to stay. 3. Cultivating a Human-Centered Leadership Approach for Retention and Culture Silver's role as Chief Heart Officer and her work embody a human-centered approach to leadership. For an organization to successfully promote an authentic workplace culture and improve retention, it needs to: Identify and Utilize Culture Champions: Even without a "Chief Heart Officer," companies have highly empathetic, service-oriented people they can utilize to facilitate growth and change. Lead with the Heart: The effective leader, or "coach," is one who is willing to show up for their team, shine a light on both their roadblocks and their triumphs, and operate from a place of trust and non-judgment. Model Self-Awareness: Leaders must be committed to their own journey of self-awareness and emotional regulation to create a safe, supportive environment for their teams. This "give and take" approach, where both leadership and employees agree on a set of expectations and supportive behaviors, is what ultimately helps a company grow into an organization that is "whole for themselves." Follow Claude at https://www.claudesilver.com/.
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319: Courage Over Fear, Leadership Lessons from Tesla and the Marines with Kristen Kavanaugh
11/16/2025
319: Courage Over Fear, Leadership Lessons from Tesla and the Marines with Kristen Kavanaugh
Kristen Kavanaugh is the author of Courage Over Fear and the founder of The Agency Initiative, working to connect people's work with meaning in alignment with their values. Previously, she was the vice chair of the Defense Advisory Committee on Diversity & Inclusion and the senior director of inclusion, talent & learning at Tesla. Here are my key takeaways: Values Dissonance Drives Talent Away: The conflict between personal values and the actions or culture of a company—especially at the leadership level—causes significant personal distress and ultimately leads to attrition. Kavanaugh described experiencing anxiety and physical symptoms, including panic attacks, that her body was trying to communicate to her before she left her role at Tesla. She emphasized that listening to those internal signals is crucial and that her health immediately improved once she made the decision to leave the toxic environment. For organizations, this highlights that failing to align with and uphold core values will physically and mentally harm employees, particularly those with less privilege, leading to the loss of valuable talent. Courageous Leadership and Psychological Safety are Key to DEI Success: DEI work thrives when leadership models courage and takes a clear stand on inclusion. Kavanaugh, who led the DEI team, noted that when the CEO began making public statements that were antithetical to the work they were doing, it caused deep pain and was the "start of the unravelling" of DEI at the company. This demonstrated that leadership's visible choice of "courage over fear"—especially by those with power and privilege (the "decision calculus" factor)—is necessary to foster a culture where all employees, particularly underrepresented groups, feel safe and valued enough to stay. Retention and Growth is Built on Small, Consistent Acts of Agency (The 5% Approach): The concept of the "Agency Loop" highlights that a healthy professional life is a cycle of authenticity, intentional decision-making, and growth. The key to starting and sustaining this cycle is the "5% more courageous approach," which breaks down intimidating acts of courage into small, manageable steps. For workplace retention, this means that cultural change and a sense of agency aren't just about massive, high-risk confrontations; they are built through everyday choices, such as a manager creating space for honest dialogue or an employee simply dressing in a way that feels authentic to them. These small, consistent actions compound over time to build resilience and a stronger, more authentic leader and employee. Follow Kristen at https://www.courageoverfearbook.com/.
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318: The Bold Move for Higher Ed: Why Onboarding is the Key to Unlocking Women's Leadership Potential with Shanna Hocking
11/09/2025
318: The Bold Move for Higher Ed: Why Onboarding is the Key to Unlocking Women's Leadership Potential with Shanna Hocking
This week, I welcome Shanna Hocking to the podcast to talk about her new research in higher education and what's holding women back in university advancement. You might be surprised that the answer is disturbingly simple. Here are my favorite takeaways: The Crisis in Higher Education Leadership: A shift is needed from a scarcity mindset focused only on fundraising to a focus on leadership and culture as the key to success. The profession is at a crossroads, needing to re-evaluate what has historically worked versus what is needed for the future, especially post-pandemic. Structural Barriers for Women Leaders: Despite being the majority of the advancement profession, women hold fewer than 35% of Chief Advancement Executive roles at top universities. The biggest barrier to success for women in these roles isn't personal inadequacy but organizational structures and systems that weren't built for their success. The Critical Gap in Onboarding and Inclusion: Over 70% of women Chief Advancement Executives report no formal onboarding support (coaching, training, professional development). This lack of intentionality contributes to lasting stress and negatively affects their view of the organization. Furthermore, unconscious biases manifest in subtle ways, such as being excluded from informal, powerful "in-group" conversations. The solution isn't to "blow up" the system but to focus on small, intentional, and consistent acts of inclusion and systems change. Connect with Shanna at hockingleadership.com.
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317: Why Now is the Time to Uncompete with Ruchika Malhotra
11/02/2025
317: Why Now is the Time to Uncompete with Ruchika Malhotra
I have to admit, I was nervous to do this interview. I met Ruchika Malhotra by chance years ago, and have been in awe of her work ever since. She is the visionary author behind the new book, Uncompete. Building on her viral conversation about imposter syndrome, Ruchika delves into the core thesis of her latest work: the necessity of rejecting a destructive culture of competition to unlock true, sustainable success. She challenges the ingrained notion that scarcity and cutthroat individualism are the only paths to achievement, arguing instead that collaboration, abundance, radical generosity, inclusion, and solidarity are the keys to professional and personal fulfillment. Ruchika shares powerful insights on how modern, profit-driven systems push us toward fear-based competition—a behavior that fundamentally runs counter to our human need for community and connection. The conversation explores how this cultural "default" impacts everything from the workplace to personal health and even major life decisions like starting a family. Here are my favorite takeaways: Competition is a Short-Term Fix, Collaboration is the Long-Term Strategy: The current societal and corporate default toward competition often stems from a fear-based, scarcity mindset, but this approach only yields short-term gains. True, sustained success comes from moving away from a "winner-take-all" mentality and intentionally fostering environments built on collaboration, where everyone has the opportunity to thrive. Micro-validations matter: Genuine allyship is not a passive title but an active, conscious effort to uplift others, especially those who have been historically overlooked. Ruchika emphasizes that simple "micro-validations" of support, such as personally advocating for someone or giving credit where it's due, can significantly change the trajectory of a person's life and foster meaningful connections. Redefine Success: It's About Connection, Not Capital: When asked to look back on their lives, people's measures of success overwhelmingly center on the time they spent with people they love and the strength of their community, not their financial accumulation. The practice of Uncompete challenges listeners to redefine what success means to them, prioritizing community and well-being over the pressure to constantly compete for money or status. Celebrate Ruchika's new book Uncompete at uncompetebook.com.
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316: Why Your Company Culture Needs to Be Measured Like Revenue with Kae Kronthaler-Williams
10/26/2025
316: Why Your Company Culture Needs to Be Measured Like Revenue with Kae Kronthaler-Williams
Kae Williams is a global software marketing executive on a mission to empower women in their careers through her work and her forthcoming book, Not Made For You. Kae works diligently to raise awareness about bias and hostile work cultures so that every woman will feel supported, respected, and enabled to achieve her full potential. Here are three key takeaways from the conversation about measuring organizational culture: Culture Needs Tangible Metrics, Not Just Talk: Organizations must treat culture like a business outcome, measuring it with the same rigor they apply to revenue and profit. This means looking at metrics such as retention rate and understanding that the main drivers of people leaving are burnout, not feeling supported, and lack of career growth. Focus on the "How," Not Just the "What": Performance reviews and rewards must balance the results an employee achieves with how they achieve them. A high performer who creates a toxic work environment will ultimately cost the company more in lost talent than the revenue they generate. Companies should actively reward behaviors like leading with empathy and being a "culture maker". Support and Train Your Managers: Middle managers are essential to the employee experience, but are often stuck without the right tools. Equipping them with skills like giving constructive, behavior-based feedback and knowing how to coach their teams is vital. Furthermore, organizations must audit workloads to prevent burnout and shift non-promotable tasks to avoid over-burdening women and marginalized employees. Follow Kae at https://www.linkedin.com/in/kaekronthalerwilliams/
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315: How to Go On with Filmmaker Landon Ashworth
10/19/2025
315: How to Go On with Filmmaker Landon Ashworth
This episode features Landon Ashworth, an actor, director, and filmmaker with a background as a pilot and a graduate of Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. He discusses his personal journey as an autistic individual and the inspiration behind his award-winning new film, Go On. Here are three key takeaways from the discussion: A Journey of Resilience and Reinvention. Landon Ashworth shared that as a child, he was a bullied autistic kid who was advised to try acting classes to mask his autism and learn to fit in. This led to a lifelong background in the arts, even as he pursued his primary dream of becoming an astronaut, which involved flight school, becoming a test pilot, and earning advanced degrees in astrophysics and filmmaking. After repeatedly facing setbacks in his astronaut career due to changing NASA requirements and budget cuts, he turned back to filmmaking. Creating One's Own Opportunities. A casting director advised Ashworth that every A-list celebrity has their own production company, encouraging him to create his own work instead of waiting for opportunities. Initially, his black-and-white interpretation of this advice led him to write, direct, and edit nearly a thousand comedy sketches completely by himself, as he struggled with the social dynamics and unreliability of collaboration. However, his career plateaued until he began to seek advice from showrunners, ultimately leading him on a path of scriptwriting and short filmmaking, culminating in the creation of his feature film. The Power and Purpose of Go On. Ashworth's feature film, Go On, was written in a single 36-hour period as he processed the loss of his young autistic cousin to suicide. The film is his attempt to pay tribute to his cousin and is a story about a person in purgatory wrestling with past trauma and unable to process it, ultimately exploring themes of grief, healing, and the resilience of the human mind. He shared that his ultimate hope is that the film gives people hope, and he has already received messages from three individuals stating that watching the film helped prevent them from taking their own lives. Ashworth is committed to answering every message he receives, seeing his platform as a space for the "underdog".
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314: Pushing back Against the Zeitgeist with Dr. Chantelle Jessica Lewis and Jason Arday
10/12/2025
314: Pushing back Against the Zeitgeist with Dr. Chantelle Jessica Lewis and Jason Arday
Chantelle Lewis and Jason Arday, co-authors of the book We See Things They'll Never See, join the show to discuss their work. Arday, a professor of sociology of education at the University of Cambridge, and Lewis, an Andrew W. Mellon Postdoctoral Research Fellow in Black British Studies at Pembroke College, the University of Oxford, delve into how their experiences as Black, neurodivergent academics influenced their book. Together, they share the motivation behind their work, highlighting the importance of challenging societal infringements and advocating for marginalized communities. Here are my favorite takeaways: We discuss the importance of showing compassion and empathy, especially to those who seem to deserve it the least. As Arday states, "sometimes when people least deserve it, that's when they deserve the most compassion". Lewis explains the book's critical look at the workplace, where neurodivergent individuals are sometimes seen as "superhumans" who can produce more for a capitalist system. This creates a system in which their marginalization is used to uphold a system of oppression. "The way we are marginalized can also be used as a way to keep this system in place," Lewis says. Arday and Lewis propose that to improve society, there must be a move away from the current educational model. This includes the abolition of exams, as they are not necessarily correlated with future success or positive academic outcomes. Lewis argues that "we need to stop measuring education outcomes by just test scores." Follow Dr Chantelle Jessica Lewis' research at ,
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313: Why DEI Pushback is a False Narrative with Nancy Levine Stearns
10/05/2025
313: Why DEI Pushback is a False Narrative with Nancy Levine Stearns
Nancy Levine Stearns, founder of ImpactDevise, a nonprofit journalism project, discusses the corporate response to the DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) backlash. Stearns' project covers DEI initiatives in the private sector, and her reporting on corporate social responsibility has been cited by publications like The New York Times, NBC News, and Forbes. Stearns, a former executive recruiter, began focusing on the DEI space after the "heated" backlash following a recent election. She was initially intrigued by a story about Costco taking a public stance on DEI. This led her to discover that other companies were also standing firm on their commitments. Key Findings from Impactivize Corporate Commitment: Stearns and Impactivise track approximately 400 companies, including publicly traded, private, and large nonprofit organizations, that have made public commitments to DEI. A recent audit found that only two of these companies have completely removed their DEI statements. Stearns believes that a stated commitment is a bold and courageous decision, as it can make a company a target for anti-DEI groups. Shareholder Support: Stearns reports that in 2025, 30 anti-DEI proposals were put forth for shareholder voting at various corporations. Shareholders overwhelmingly rejected these proposals, typically by a margin of 98% to 99% of voting shares. Stearns notes that while shareholder rejection of outside proposals is common, the overwhelming margin of these votes is unusual. The Business Imperative: Stearns states that the primary reason companies are maintaining their DEI initiatives is because they recognize it as a "strategic imperative" and a "business imperative". She cites a statement from Rob Davis, the CEO of Merck, who called diversity and inclusion a strategic imperative. Stearns emphasizes that the data and metrics show that these initiatives positively impact a company's performance and bottom line. Shifting Language: Stearns acknowledges that some companies are changing the language they use to describe their initiatives, perhaps using terms like "belonging and inclusion" or "culture and engagement". However, she notes that adversarial groups, such as the Heritage Foundation, are aware of this change in terminology and still view these efforts as DEI. Consumer Influence: Stearns believes that consumers, particularly younger generations, are a powerful force in this movement. She suggests that consumers are "voting with their wallet" and supporting companies that have strong DEI commitments. This consumer support provides a "strength in numbers" for corporations, reinforcing their commitment. Stearns argues that while the media often focuses on the narrative that DEI is "dead," the data show that it is very much alive and supported by both corporations and consumers. She maintains that the business case for diversity and inclusion is a powerful and objective force, stating, "It's not political, it's not ideological, it's not personal, it's just, it's just business". Follow Nancy's research and reporting at: https://www.impactivize.org/
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312: Pipeline Proactivity with Julie Kratz
09/28/2025
312: Pipeline Proactivity with Julie Kratz
Developing a strong talent pipeline is no longer just a good idea—it's a business imperative. But how can companies be more proactive and intentional about building the workforce of tomorrow? In this episode, we explore innovative strategies for proactive talent pipeline development. We'll discuss the importance of starting earlier to engage with potential talent long before they're looking for a job, and how to create relationships that last. We'll also break down what it means to be ready for Gen Z, a generation with unique expectations around purpose, flexibility, and communication. Finally, we'll talk about a surprisingly critical factor: sparking the conversation at home. We'll delve into the powerful role parents and guardians play in shaping career choices and how companies can better equip them to be allies in the talent journey. Tune in to learn how to shift from reactive hiring to proactive talent cultivation, building a more resilient and dynamic workforce for the future.
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311: Building Allyship Programs with Julie Kratz
09/21/2025
311: Building Allyship Programs with Julie Kratz
Building an impactful allyship program requires a strategic and thoughtful approach. This video breaks down the key steps to creating a program that goes beyond good intentions and drives real change within your organization. In this episode, I will guide you through the process, covering: Research: How to conduct a needs assessment to understand your organization's unique challenges and where to focus your efforts. Format: The different program structures you can use, from workshops and training modules to mentorship and sponsorship programs. Audience: How to identify and engage the right participants, and why it's crucial to create safe spaces for both allies and members of marginalized groups. Measurement: The key metrics to track to ensure your program is effective and creating a measurable impact on culture and employee well-being. Repeatability: The importance of a long-term strategy for embedding allyship into your company's DNA, so it becomes a sustainable part of your culture, not a one-off initiative. Whether you're an HR leader, a DEI professional, or an employee looking to champion change, this video provides a practical roadmap for building a successful allyship program that fosters a more inclusive and equitable workplace.
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310: Inclusive Policies with Julie Kratz
09/14/2025
310: Inclusive Policies with Julie Kratz
Join us for a powerful conversation about building a truly inclusive workplace. In this episode, we're moving beyond buzzwords to discuss the concrete policies and practices that make a difference. We'll dive into the vital role of inclusive caregiving leave policies and how they support all employees, not just parents. We'll also unpack what inclusive hiring practices really look like—from writing unbiased job descriptions to creating a fair and equitable interview process. Finally, we'll explore how to embed inclusion into your company's culture so it's not just a set of rules, but a living, breathing part of your organization's DNA. Tune in to learn how to create an environment where everyone feels they belong and can thrive.
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309: Allyship Storytelling with Julie Kratz
09/07/2025
309: Allyship Storytelling with Julie Kratz
Storytelling is one of the most powerful tools we have to connect with others, and when it comes to allyship, it's essential. In this video, we're diving into the power of allyship storytelling and how sharing your own experiences can create a ripple effect of change. We'll explore why modeling the behavior you want to see is so important, and how showing vulnerability can build trust and open hearts. Discover how sharing your story, not as a hero but as a learner, can inspire others to begin their own journey of allyship. Throughout the video, we'll give you thought prompts to help you reflect on your own story and how you can share it effectively. Get ready to tap into the power of your own voice and become a more impactful ally. Allyship Storytelling Thought Prompts: What was a time you got it wrong and had to learn? What's a moment when you felt uncomfortable but chose to act as an ally anyway? Who are you committed to showing up for? What's a small step you can take today to be a better ally?
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308: Modeling Psychological Safety Perspective Taking
08/31/2025
308: Modeling Psychological Safety Perspective Taking
“Psychological safety is the belief that one will not be punished or humiliated for speaking up. It's a shared belief that a team is safe for taking interpersonal risks.” - Amy C. Edmondson Psychological safety paired with perspective taking is a game changer for hopeful allies in power. In this mini-sode from the new book We Want You: An Allyship Guide for People with Power, I talk about the importance of separating intentions versus impact, asking open-ended questions that start with "what" or "how," and extending grace to yourself and others.
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307: Knowing Your Ally Role
08/24/2025
307: Knowing Your Ally Role
Allyship is about showing up, even when it is hard. It's about progress over perfection. The ally journey begins with understanding your role - as a mentor, sponsor, advocate, coach, or challenger. It is a choose your own adventure approach. It starts with knowing what your allyship vision is and noticing and validating the experiences of others different from yourself.
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306: What's In It for Me for an Ally
08/17/2025
306: What's In It for Me for an Ally
This episode reveals the crucial "What's In It For Me" (WIIFM) for allies, moving beyond performative actions to genuine, sustained allyship. Discover the compelling human and business cases for inclusion: from increased happiness and longevity to significant boosts in profitability (up to 39% higher) and innovation (up to 19% higher revenue). Learn how Gen Z's expectations make inclusion non-negotiable for future leaders. This chapter provides tools to identify your unique strengths and embrace allyship as a vital leadership quality.
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305: Reframing Power as a Chance to be an Ally
08/10/2025
305: Reframing Power as a Chance to be an Ally
Inspired by Audre Lorde's powerful words, this episode explores how we can leverage our inherent power for good. Bernadette Smith's journey for LGBTQ+ marriage equality highlights how allies with power can fundamentally shift systems. We reveal why power often feels invisible to those who hold it, and how underestimating our own influence hinders allyship. Discover the critical distinction between "power over" and "power with," advocating for a collaborative approach where power is shared, not hoarded. This episode challenges you to recognize your unique sources of power, align them with your values, and use them to create a more equitable and inclusive environment for everyone.
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304: Turning Fear Into Fuel as Allies
08/03/2025
304: Turning Fear Into Fuel as Allies
This episode dives into the real, often uncomfortable, fears that can hold people with power back from being allies. We confront common misperceptions, like the "zero-sum game" mentality, and the anxieties around status, relevance, and making mistakes in the workplace. Through compelling stories and expert insights, we'll expose why inclusion work can be imperfect, yet crucial. Learn to transform these fears into fuel, embracing vulnerability, curiosity, and the courage to challenge the status quo. Discover how active allyship isn't about being perfect, but about taking intentional, consistent action for a more equitable workplace for all.
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303: Welcome to the We Want You Book Series
07/27/2025
303: Welcome to the We Want You Book Series
Ever feel like you're on autopilot, navigating work without seeing its underlying systems? Like fish unaware of water, we often miss the crucial "water" of our workplace environment. This podcast invites you to consciously see this water and understand how others experience it differently. We'll explore how diversity, inclusion, and equity are vital for a thriving workplace. Discover allyship as intentional actions leveraging your power for good, transforming your impact and organization. Learn from experts about true allyship and its business imperative in our increasingly diverse world. This is your official invitation to become an active ally. Whether you're a seasoned leader or just curious, we'll provide practical tools for individual, team, and organizational allyship. Dive in to gain new perspectives and help create better waters for everyone at work. Ready to start your allyship journey?
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302: Beyond Milestones, A New Look at Profound Autism with Sarah Kernion
07/13/2025
302: Beyond Milestones, A New Look at Profound Autism with Sarah Kernion
This podcast episode features Sarah Kernion, a writer, podcast host of "The Inchstones Podcast," and mother of two profoundly autistic, nonspeaking children. Kernion advocates for a new conversation around profound autism, focusing on neurobiological barriers and redefining advocacy to prioritize presence, effort, and dignity over milestone achievements. She emphasizes the urgent need for distinct, research-grounded discussions on profound autism, particularly regarding the disproportionate caregiving burden on mothers and its impact on their careers. Key Takeaways: Redefining Profound Autism Advocacy: Sarah Kernion champions a shift in the conversation surrounding profound autism. She highlights the need to focus on neurobiological barriers like apraxia, dyspraxia, and sensory processing disorder, advocating for research urgency, scientific rigor, and a civil rights reframing to include profoundly autistic individuals often overlooked in mainstream neurodiversity discussions. Her work redefines advocacy around presence, effort, and dignity rather than traditional milestone achievements. The Power of Maternal Intuition and Shared Stories: Kernion stresses the importance of a mother's primal intuition as a crucial "data point" in understanding and advocating for their children with profound autism. She encourages mothers to trust this inner knowing and use it to inform care and support. The conversation also underscores the power of one-on-one connections and shared stories among caregivers and within professional settings to foster understanding, reduce isolation, and build psychological safety. Addressing the Caregiving Burden and Workplace Impact: The podcast sheds light on the immense and often unsustainable caregiving demands placed on mothers of profoundly autistic children. This burden frequently leads to career plateaus or plummeting for women, highlighting a systemic problem where workplaces are not adequately set up to support these caregivers. Kernion suggests that leaders sharing their own experiences with caregiving can foster a more inclusive and understanding environment, ultimately benefiting both employees and companies. Learn more at .
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301: How to Weave DEI Into Your Culture with Melissa Ng Goldner
07/06/2025
301: How to Weave DEI Into Your Culture with Melissa Ng Goldner
Are you tired of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiatives that feel like lip service? In this powerful episode, we sit down with Melissa Ng Goldner, Head of Strategy at Coqual, to uncover how leading organizations are moving past performative DEI to create truly equitable and thriving workplaces. Melissa, a daughter of Chinese immigrants, brings a unique perspective on intersectionality, combining cultural insight, data fluency, and bold storytelling to drive real business outcomes. Discover how organizations are navigating the current landscape, operationalizing fairness, and redesigning power structures to future-proof their talent strategies. If you're a leader wrestling with how to embed DEI into the very fabric of your organization, or simply curious about what "precision allyship" truly means, this episode is a must-listen! 3 Key Takeaways: DEI is Embedding, Not Bolting On: Learn why successful DEI initiatives are deeply integrated into an organization's DNA—from hiring and performance reviews to decision-making processes—making them incredibly difficult to unravel. Melissa explains that what's being "washed away" are the initiatives that were simply "bolted on" as easy-to-remove add-ons. The Power of Proactive Measurement: Move beyond lagging indicators like hiring and promotion rates. Discover the importance of measuring "smoke signals" like psychological safety as a proactive way to identify issues and ensure a culture where dissent is supported and difficult conversations can thrive. Context is King: Tailoring DEI for Global Success: The "one-size-fits-all" approach to DEI is outdated. Melissa emphasizes the critical need for global organizations to move away from generic strategies and instead lean into local context, culture, and nuances, recognizing that "belonging is going to look different in London, Lagos, and Louisville." Learn more at
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300: The Gender Competition Gap with Katy Milkman and Sophia Pink
06/29/2025
300: The Gender Competition Gap with Katy Milkman and Sophia Pink
Katy Milkman is the James G. Dinan Professor at the Wharton School, the host of Charles Schwab's Choiceology podcast, and co-directs the Behavior Change for Good Initiative. Sophia Pink is a PhD student at the Wharton School studying decision-making and behavior change. They join Julie Kratz on the Allyship in Action podcast to discuss their new research on the gender gap in competition. They highlight that women are, on average, less likely to enter competitions (like applying for jobs or promotions) than equally qualified men, a phenomenon observed across many decades and countries, even at the top of the labor market. Key takeaways form this conversation: The Persistent Gender Gap in Competitive Environments and Its Consequences: The discussion begins by establishing the well-documented phenomenon that women, on average, are less likely to enter competitions (like applying for jobs or promotions) than equally qualified men. The speakers emphasize that while this reluctance is not inherently negative in all contexts, it can significantly disadvantage women in crucial career advancement opportunities, particularly for leadership roles that often require navigating multiple competitive stages. This theme highlights the problem and its potential impact on gender equity in the workplace. Leveraging Psychological Insights for Intervention: The Power of Stereotype Reactance: The central focus of the new research is the innovative application of "stereotype reactance" as a potential solution. The researchers hypothesized and found that informing women about the existing gender gap in competition could paradoxically increase their likelihood of applying for jobs. This is attributed to women's potential desire to resist conforming to negative stereotypes and a motivation to take action against the observed inequality. This theme underscores the use of behavioral science principles to design effective interventions for addressing the gender gap. Systemic and Just-in-Time Approaches for Organizational Change: The conversation moves beyond individual behavior change to discuss broader organizational strategies. Recommendations include implementing "default" mechanisms where individuals are automatically considered for opportunities unless they opt out, and providing timely reminders or prompts at the point of decision-making. The speakers emphasize that while long-term cultural shifts are challenging, these more immediate, systemic adjustments and "just-in-time" interventions can create a more equitable playing field by mitigating the impact of confidence barriers and internalized norms. This theme focuses on practical, actionable steps organizations can take to address the competition gap and promote gender equity. Actionable Allyship Takeaway: When you see a woman hesitating to pursue an opportunity for which she is qualified, gently remind her of the gender competition gap by saying something like, "Hey, men tend to apply for this, don't let gender stereotypes hold you back," to encourage her to take the chance . Check out their research at:
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299: Diversifying is the Best Way to Grow Your Business with Charlene Polite Corley and Stacie De Armas
06/22/2025
299: Diversifying is the Best Way to Grow Your Business with Charlene Polite Corley and Stacie De Armas
This episode of the Allyship in Action Podcast with Julie Kratz features Charlene Polite Corley, Nielsen's VP of Diverse Insights and Partnerships, and Stacie De Armas, Senior Vice President of Diverse Intelligence & Initiatives at Nielsen. Together we discuss the long-term value of diversity for businesses, emphasizing that engaging historically excluded consumers is crucial for growth and brand loyalty. Stacie and Charlene highlight that while people can be "trickier" than money, diversifying your workforce and your approach to consumers is as important as diversifying your financial portfolio. Some key takeaways from this conversation: Diversity is a significant driver of business growth and ROI: Engaging with historically excluded consumer groups is essential for long-term business growth as they represent untapped markets and offer greater potential for building brand loyalty and achieving higher returns on marketing investment. Understanding nuanced cultural and consumption habits is crucial for effective marketing: A "copy-paste" approach to marketing is ineffective. Brands need to develop a deeper understanding of the media consumption habits and cultural nuances of diverse audiences to connect authentically and build lasting relationships. Data shows, for example, that Black, Hispanic, and Asian audiences spend significantly more time online. Centering diverse narratives benefits everyone and creates broader cultural impact: Focusing on representing specific communities authentically in content and advertising doesn't exclude other groups. Instead, it provides "windows" into different experiences, enriching everyone's understanding and often leading to broader cultural trends and significant financial success, as seen in sports and film. Actionable Allyship Takeaway: Organizations and individuals should actively lean into fear and commit to an inclusive data strategy, continually seeking to understand and meet diverse consumers where they are, knowing that it's both the right thing to do and a smart business decision that drives growth and loyalty, regardless of external pressures. Learn more about Charlene Polite Corley and Stacie De Armas and their research at:
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298: The ROI of Neuroinclusion with Keivan Stassun
06/15/2025
298: The ROI of Neuroinclusion with Keivan Stassun
Keivan Stassun is the Director of the Frist Center for Autism & Innovation at Vanderbilt University. He joins this week's Allyship in Action Podcast epidsode to unpack how to get the full ROI when appropriately practicing neuroinclusion. Key Takeaways Neurodiversity drives innovation and strengthens teams: Keivan's experience in astrophysics, particularly the groundbreaking discovery made by his neurodiverse team, powerfully illustrates how embracing different cognitive styles leads to novel problem-solving and enhanced outcomes. Clear communication, beneficial for everyone, becomes essential in neurodiverse teams, ultimately making the entire team more effective. Support for autistic individuals needs to extend into adulthood: While significant progress has been made in early intervention for autism, there's a critical need for increased focus and investment in supporting autistic adults in higher education and the workforce. This includes providing appropriate accommodations, fostering inclusive environments, and recognizing the unique strengths and contributions of this community. Creating inclusive opportunities benefits both individuals and organizations: Models like The Precisionists Inc. (TPI) demonstrate that tailored support and understanding of neurodivergent needs can lead to high-quality work, increased employee loyalty, and reduced errors. By shifting perspectives and implementing practical accommodations, businesses can tap into a valuable talent pool and achieve tangible benefits. Key Quotes "I'm absolutely convinced that new discoveries and innovations happen because the team invited and included and supported the full diversity of thought." "There has been so much less investment has been autistic people who are over 18 years old where people spend the majority of their lives in adulthood." Actionable Allyship Takeaway: Recognize and actively leverage the unique strengths and talents of neurodiverse individuals while also providing necessary support and accommodations. Keivan emphasizes that focusing on both the support needs and the strengths of autistic individuals is crucial. He provides examples of how companies can benefit from the talents of neurodiverse employees (e.g., employee loyalty, attention to detail) while also highlighting the importance of providing appropriate accommodations to ensure their success. Find Keivan at and find Julie at
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297: Deep Listening Strategies with Emily Kasriel
06/08/2025
297: Deep Listening Strategies with Emily Kasriel
Emily Kasriel is the author of Deep Listening: Transform your relationships with family, friends and foes. She joins the Allyship in Action Podcast this week to share insightful perspectives and practical tips on deep listening. Key takeaways from the conversation: Deep listening goes beyond active listening. It's not just about repeating or paraphrasing, but about being truly present, understanding the emotions and underlying messages, and reflecting those back with humility. Self-awareness is crucial. Recognizing our own biases and "shadows" allows us to listen more openly to others. Silence is a powerful tool. Creating space in conversations allows for deeper reflection, creativity, and can shift power dynamics. Curiosity is key. Approaching conversations with a genuine desire to learn and understand, rather than to debate or convince, fosters connection. Asking about the origins of someone's beliefs can be particularly helpful. Listening doesn't equal agreement. It's important to remember that understanding someone's perspective doesn't mean you endorse it. Connecting with those who hold different views can be transformative. It can combat loneliness and foster social cohesion by recognizing our shared humanity. Actionable Allyship Takeaway: Cultivate curiosity and seek to understand the origins of others' beliefs, especially those different from your own. Emily emphasizes the importance of asking "what in your life experience has led you to feel what you do?" when engaging with someone who holds differing views. She explains that this approach can foster connection and understanding, even in the face of disagreement, by humanizing the other person's perspective and providing context. For those interested in learning more, Emily's book, "Deep Listening: Transform your relationships with family, friends and foes," is available for preorder and will be released in the US on June 24th. You can also connect with her on LinkedIn and explore her website, , for more information on her work. Find Julie at
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