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286: Hiring with Intention: Moving Beyond Bias to Build a Thriving Workforce with Josh Millet

Allyship in Action

Release Date: 03/23/2025

297: Deep Listening Strategies with Emily Kasriel show art 297: Deep Listening Strategies with Emily Kasriel

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294: DEI Stealth Mode: Finding Hope and Action in Uncertain Times with Dr. Poornima Luthra show art 294: DEI Stealth Mode: Finding Hope and Action in Uncertain Times with Dr. Poornima Luthra

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290: Unlocking Neurodiversity: Beyond Labels and Stereotypes with Dr. Angela Kingdon show art 290: Unlocking Neurodiversity: Beyond Labels and Stereotypes with Dr. Angela Kingdon

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289: Navigating the Broken Rung and Building Your Own Path to Success with Lareina Yee show art 289: Navigating the Broken Rung and Building Your Own Path to Success with Lareina Yee

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This week's episode features Josh Millet, the founder and CEO of Criteria. We dove deep into the world of evidence-based hiring, exploring how to make objective talent decisions that not only reduce bias but also drive better business outcomes. Josh shared some powerful insights about the common pitfalls in hiring, the importance of focusing on "strong signals" rather than "weak signals," and how to create a more equitable and transparent hiring process. It's like trying to bake a cake with a recipe written in a different language – you might have all the ingredients, but you're missing the key instructions. We talked about how traditional hiring practices, like relying heavily on resumes and unstructured interviews, can inadvertently perpetuate bias and limit our talent pool. Josh's expertise really shines a light on how we can move beyond these outdated methods and embrace a more scientific approach to talent acquisition. Plus, we even touched on the tricky topic of DEI and how, regardless of your stance, everyone can agree that reducing bias is a win-win. So, grab your favorite beverage, settle in, and let's explore how we can build a workforce that's not only diverse but also incredibly successful.

Here are the key takeaways from our conversation:

  • Beyond the Resume: Traditional hiring methods often rely on "weak signals" like education and years of experience, which aren't always the best predictors of job performance. Josh advocates for focusing on "strong signals," such as cognitive ability, personality traits, and the ability to learn, which are more closely linked to success.
  • The Interview Trap: Unstructured interviews are rife with bias. Josh shared that almost 50% of people make up their mind about a candidate in the first five minutes! He emphasizes the importance of structured interviews with standardized questions and scoring to ensure a more objective evaluation.
  • Assessments with Intention: Assessments can be powerful tools for measuring potential and reducing bias, but they need to be used thoughtfully. Josh highlighted the importance of explaining the purpose of assessments to candidates, providing feedback, and offering accommodations when needed. He also discussed innovative formats like game-based assessments to improve the candidate experience.
  • DEI Reimagined: Regardless of your personal feelings about DEI, reducing bias in hiring is something everyone can agree on. Josh pointed out the clear ROI of diverse teams, including increased profitability, innovation, and creativity. He also emphasized that diversity encompasses much more than just race and gender, including age, socioeconomic status, disabilities, and veteran status.
  • Transparency is Key: Candidates, especially Gen Z, value transparency in the hiring process. They want to know how they're being evaluated and appreciate equitable treatment. Open communication and feedback mechanisms can significantly improve the candidate experience.

Actionable Allyship Takeaway: Review your current hiring process and identify at least one area where you can incorporate more objective, evidence-based practices. Maybe it's structuring your interviews, rethinking your assessment strategy, or simply being more mindful of the language you use in job descriptions.

Insightful Quotes:

  1. "So much to unpack in there. I hadn't thought about Big Ten bias, but I think I'm going to look at that one." - Josh Millet 
  2. "You're not going to remove all the bias and subjectivity from your process. And we don't think that, any kind of tool should, should try to do that or should purport to do that because we're all human, we all have our set of biases." - Josh Millet 
  3. "The business case is settled...building a diverse workforce, does lead very clearly to a series of non woke metrics like higher profitability, better return on shareholder equity, you know, higher revenue growth." - Josh Millet

Find Josh at criteriacorp.com for more information and connect with Josh Millet on LinkedIn. Find Julie Kratz at nextpivotpoint.com and on LinkedIn.