Trail Runner Nation

Trail Runner Nation is a gathering place for the trail and ultrarunning community. We aim to help the listener improve their running experiences through better health and fitness via expert guests. This podcast is for informational and entertainment purposes only and is not intended to replace professional, medical, or training advice or recommendations for listeners. The views expressed in this podcast by guests are not necessarily endorsed by Trail Runner Nation, LLC.

EP 780: The Woman Who Ran 600 Miles 05/06/2026

EP 780: The Woman Who Ran 600 Miles returns to Trail Runner Nation after an extraordinary stretch in endurance racing, including a third place at Cocadona 250, setting a women’s world record at and becoming the first woman to run more than 600 miles in six days. She explains why backyard ultras are less about speed and more about solving the strange little puzzle of time, sleep, food, heat, pacing, and decision-making, one hour at a time. The conversation gets into what happens when the body starts swelling after days of effort, how recovery has to be tested carefully, and why a runner’s “toolbox” matters more than a perfect race plan. Megan also shares how mantras, gratitude, crew support, short sleep strategies, and breaking huge goals into smaller chunks helped her keep moving when the mental fog rolled in. The big takeaway is that toughness is not always loud or dramatic. Sometimes it looks like patience, curiosity, a good crew, and the willingness to step back into the corral one more time. Links: - Megan Previous Episode with Megan: Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our Timestamps 00:00 | Megan Eckert’s 600-Mile Breakthrough Scott introduces Megan’s recent accomplishments, including her Big’s Backyard Ultra world record and becoming the first woman to run more than 600 miles in six days. 02:10 | What Happens to the Body After 600 Miles Megan describes the swelling, inflammation, and strange physical effects that showed up late in the six-day race. 03:10 | Recovery Is Not a Formula She explains how recovery depends on the race, the body’s feedback, heart rate, feet, legs, and the willingness to test movement and back off when needed. 04:14 | How Backyard Ultras Actually Work Megan breaks down the format: 4.17 miles every hour, starting again and again until only one runner remains. 06:16 | The Race She’s Most Proud Of Megan shares why Run Rabbit Run stands out, not because it was perfect, but because she had to work through an off day almost from the beginning. 14:16 | The Tools That Keep You Moving The conversation shifts to mantras, knowing your “why,” gratitude, and the mental tools runners build through hard training and bad races. 19:34 | Solving the Puzzle of Time Megan explains why backyard racing fascinates her: it is not about being fastest, but about balancing pace, rest, calories, sleep, and strategy. 25:46 | Training Yourself to Sleep Fast She talks about using an eye mask, lowering heart rate before lying down, and noise-canceling headphones to help the body shut down quickly during long races. 27:55 | Why Women Are Thriving in Long Events Megan reflects on the growing participation of women in backyard and multi-day racing and why the format creates a welcoming space for many types of runners. 31:15 | Why Crew Becomes Critical Megan explains how sleep deprivation affects decision-making and why crew support becomes essential in the later stages of multi-day races. 35:16 | The Dark Places in a Six-Day Race She describes the strange feeling of being between two shores, unable to see where you started or where you are going, and how her crew helped her regain perspective. 43:30 | Coaching for Backyard Ultras vs. 50Ks Megan explains how training shifts for backyard races, with more emphasis on time on feet, double days, and learning to run when you do not feel like running. 47:00 | Sleep Deprivation and Trial-and-Error The group discusses whether sleep deprivation can really be trained, and Megan explains why her best sleep strategy is built around longer 45- to 90-minute cycles. 52:00 | What’s Next for Megan Megan talks about taking on Cocodona 250 and applying what she has learned from looped and timed events to a very different kind of trail challenge. 55:13 | Who Should Try a Backyard Ultra? Megan closes with a simple message: the best attribute is curiosity, because you never know what you are capable of until you show up. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/41196940

EP 779: The Hidden Performance Cost of Sun Damage 05/01/2026

EP 779: The Hidden Performance Cost of Sun Damage Returning guest, coach , joins us to talk about something many trail runners know they should care about but often ignore: sun protection. The conversation is based on Colleen’s UltraSignup article Colleen shares her own experience with stage-one skin cancer on her lip, which began as what looked like a small freckle but turned out to be a wound that would not heal. The episode gets practical fast, covering SPF 30, UPF clothing, sun hoodies, lip sunscreen, reapplication during races, altitude exposure, cloudy-day risk, and why a “base tan” is not real protection. For endurance athletes, the biggest takeaway is that sun damage is not just a long-term health issue; during long efforts, your body may divert energy toward cooling and repairing damaged skin instead of helping you keep moving. It is a useful, slightly uncomfortable reminder that protecting your skin may be as important to longevity in the sport as shoes, fueling, or strength work. Resources & Links: Check out Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our Timestamps 00:00 – The Sun as a Performance Threat Scott introduces the idea that UV exposure may affect not only skin cancer risk and aging, but also long-term running performance. 02:45 – Colleen’s Skin Cancer Wake-Up Call Colleen shares how her own stage-one skin cancer diagnosis on her lip led her to interview her dermatologist and write about sun risk for ultrarunners. 05:30 – How Sun Damage Can Drain Your Body The group discusses how damaged skin may force the body to spend energy on cooling and repair when runners need that energy for movement, fueling, and staying strong. 07:15 – SPF, UPF, and What Actually Works Colleen explains the practical options runners can use, including SPF 30 or higher sunscreen, UPF clothing, sun hoodies, arm sleeves, and SPF lip protection. 14:25 – Why Sun Hoodies Are Showing Up More in Ultras The conversation turns to lightweight sun hoodies, why runners in hot and exposed environments use them, and why you should practice with them before race day. 17:50 – The Base Tan Myth and Other Bad Ideas Colleen pushes back on the idea that a base tan protects runners and explains why tanning still means skin damage. 31:45 – Timing, Altitude, Clouds, and Race-Day Habits They cover how early morning runs reduce exposure, why altitude increases risk, why cloudy days still matter, and how runners can build sunscreen reapplication into race routines. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/41114040

EP 778: Audio Magazine- The Run That Changes Your Brain 04/23/2026

EP 778: Audio Magazine- The Run That Changes Your Brain Audio Magazine episode! Long-time friend, joins us to trade ideas, stories, and thought-provoking topics from the world of endurance sports. We talk about everything from whether races should ban in-race filming to the surprising ways ultrarunning might temporarily damage red blood cells and what that means for recovery. Warren brings a sharp perspective on long-term health, framing running as an investment that compounds over time, especially when paired with better nutrition. The conversation also explores how beginners can cut through noise and focus on simple fundamentals like cadence and effort, while questioning whether trends like “gravel running” are innovation or just clever marketing. Along the way, we highlight how trail running uniquely benefits mental health, reinforcing why time on the trails feels different than pounding pavement. Check out for amazing and healthy products that will help you live healthier. If you live in the USA, you can buy their Ultimate Daily Greens via . Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our Timestamps 00:00 – Reunion & Format Setup Scott and Don welcome Warren back and explain the fast-paced “audio magazine” format. 11:00 – Should Races Ban Content Creation? Debate on whether filming during races helps grow the sport or distracts from it. 24:00 – What Running Really Does to Your Body Discussion of research on red blood cell damage and what it means for performance and recovery. 30:00 – Nutrition, Recovery, and Long-Term Health Warren explains why whole-food fueling may improve recovery and long-term outcomes. 39:00 – Learning to Run: What Actually Matters Simple, foundational advice for new runners like cadence, effort, and consistency. 50:00 – Trail Running and Mental Health Why running in nature has a stronger effect on mood, stress, and brain function. 54:00 – “Gravel Running” and the Future of the Sport Exploring whether new categories are helpful or just clever marketing. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40998410

EP 777: Inside the Toughest Era of Ultrarunning 04/17/2026

EP 777: Inside the Toughest Era of Ultrarunning In this episode, we sit down with ultrarunning legend and to go beyond the race results and into the stories hidden between the aid stations. Hal reflects on the gritty era of ultrarunning when gear was simpler, races were rougher, and success often came down to who could stay calm while everything else unraveled. The conversation explores their approach to downhill running, how they learned to descend with confidence, and why many runners sabotage themselves by braking too much and overthinking every step. Hal also shares memorable moments from decades in the sport, including hallucinations, race-day mistakes, lessons from other legends, and the strange, beautiful chaos that unfolds after enough miles in the mountains. Along the way, we discuss how the sport has changed, from shoes and nutrition to the growing popularity of ultrarunning, while Hal remains the same smiling, endlessly curious runner with the grin that somehow survives even mile 90. By the end, the episode feels less like an interview and more like sitting beside a campfire with one of the sport’s great storytellers while the mountains glow quietly in the background. Check out coaching Preorder Ian's book, Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our Timestamps 06:00 – What Ultrarunning Used to Be Like Hal reflects on the early days of the sport, when aid stations were simpler, shoes were sketchier, and ultrarunners seemed stitched together from duct tape, stubbornness, and peanut butter sandwiches. 14:00 – The Downhill Running Advantage Hal explains why his ability to descend gave him an edge, how he learned to trust gravity, and why most runners unknowingly fight the trail on every downhill. 27:00 – Hallucinations, Mistakes & The Weird Stuff That Happens After 80 Miles The conversation drifts into race stories, strange moments, and the surreal carnival that begins when exhaustion starts repainting reality with a very crooked brush. 40:00 – How the Sport Has Changed The evolution of ultrarunning, from carbon shoes and nutrition science to the explosion of races, gear, and attention. 53:00 – The Lessons That Last Hal shares the wisdom he has gathered after decades in the mountains: stay adaptable, keep your sense of humor, and never lose the grin, even when the trail is trying very hard to take it from you. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40906410

EP 776: Build Stronger Feet Before They Fail 04/09/2026

EP 776: Build Stronger Feet Before They Fail In this follow-up conversation with Dr. Tonya Olson, we shift from fixing foot problems to preventing them by building stronger, more resilient feet before race day disaster strikes. Tonya explains that the biggest mistake runners make is not paying attention to their feet until something hurts, even though their feet have been quietly sending signals for months, like tiny grumpy trail prophets. The discussion explores how calluses, hot spots, toenails, and skin changes can reveal weaknesses in shoe choice, mobility, gait, and training habits. Tonya also unveils the surprising connection between foot problems and bigger biomechanical issues, explaining how limitations in the ankle, big toe, hips, and glutes can ripple down the kinetic chain like one bad domino tipping into another. We talk about simple weekly routines, mobility work, proprioception, and why “good enough” maintenance now can prevent a full-scale foot mutiny later. By the end, the episode makes a compelling case that resilient feet are not built in race week, but one small habit at a time. Resources & Links: Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip: 916-235-3928. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our Timestamps: 00:00 – Why We Ignore Our Feet Until It’s Too Late Tonya explains why runners obsess over nutrition, pacing, and gear, yet somehow treat their feet like forgotten basement tenants until race day. 05:00 – Calluses, Skin, and What Your Feet Are Telling You How calluses, maceration, hot spots, and toenail changes can reveal problems with shoe fit, movement, and foot mechanics. 14:00 – The Simple Weekly Foot Routine Every Runner Needs Tonya lays out a practical, low-maintenance routine: inspect your feet after long runs, trim and file nails, moisturize, and look for warning signs before they become race-ending monsters. 20:00 – Why Foot Problems Start Higher Up the Chain A fascinating look at how mobility limitations in the ankle, big toe, hips, and glutes can lead to blisters, pain, and poor running mechanics. Your foot may be the smoke, but the fire could be somewhere upstream. 33:00 – Wobble Boards, Mobility, and Training Smarter The group discusses proprioception, ankle sprains, balance training, and which exercises actually transfer to better trail running. 48:00 – The Long Game: Keeping Your Feet Healthy for Decades Tonya explains why maintaining mobility and strength over time is the key to avoiding the stiff, cranky, “why does everything hurt now?” runner future /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40795315

EP 775: I Spent $4,500 on One Race 04/03/2026

EP 775: I Spent $4,500 on One Race What are some of the real costs of running an ultra? In this episode, ultra runner and coach talks about this, and it turns out the race entry is just the first pebble in the avalanche. We discuss the hidden expenses that pile up around an A-race: travel, nutrition, coaching, shoes, gear, hotels, rental cars, and the tiny financial gremlins that quietly multiply in the dark corners of race prep. Colleen shares that one of her hundred-mile races carried a $4,500 receipt, but she emphasizes that ultras can also be done on a shoestring with borrowed gear, local races, and simple nutrition. We wrestle with whether modern technology and gear have improved the sport or turned it into a glittering outdoor equipment bazaar with carbon-plated everything and hydration packs that resemble small spacecraft. Along the way, we celebrate community-driven “fat ass” races, the value of supporting race directors and small local events, and the idea that the memories, friendships, and growth from an ultra often outlast whatever else you could have bought with the money. In the end, the episode asks a bigger question: Is running expensive, or is it one of the best investments we make in ourselves? Colleen's Check out Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget of wisdom that helps you recover after a huge effort on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. OR try texting us (within the USA) with your tip If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our TIme Stamps 00:00 – The Real Cost of an A-Race Scott and Don introduce the idea that race fees are only the tip of the iceberg floating through your checking account like a frozen credit card statement. Travel, gear, coaching, food, and training all add up fast. 04:00 – Colleen’s $4,500 Race Receipt Colleen explains how she calculated the true cost of one of her hundred milers, while also making the case that ultras can be done far more cheaply depending on your choices. 08:00 – Do You Really Need Expensive Gear? The conversation turns to GPS watches, hydration packs, carbon shoes, sunscreen, and whether trail running has become an arms race made of nylon, foam, and marketing copy. 18:00 – Why Race Fees Keep Rising Scott, Don, and Colleen discuss what race directors are actually paying for: permits, insurance, aid stations, safety, volunteers, swag, and the complicated circus tent behind every starting line. 23:30 – Fat Ass Races, Community & “Fat Heart” Running A joyful detour into old-school, low-cost grassroots races where the start line might be a stop sign and the bib comes from someone’s home printer. Colleen proposes a better name: “Fat Heart Race.” 27:00 – If You Could Go Back, Would You? The group debates whether they would trade today’s expensive high-tech gear for the simpler, cheaper days of Timex watches, syrup bottles, and Snickers bars. 39:00 – Is It Worth the Money? The closing reflection: maybe the finish line medal isn’t what you’re really paying for. Maybe you’re buying purpose, discipline, memories, friendships, and the version of yourself that only appears after a few predawn training runs and a questionable amount of squirrel’s nut butter. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40724370

EP 774: Aging As An Athlete- The Truth About Longevity in Running 03/26/2026

EP 774: Aging As An Athlete- The Truth About Longevity in Running What if your best performance isn’t behind you… it’s just different now? In this Aging as an Athlete episode, joins again as co-host in a discussion with . Bryce Thatcher is a trail-running pioneer and founder of , who has spent over 40 years innovating hydration gear while living and embodying a lifelong commitment to mountain running and human-powered adventure. We explore what it really takes to stay connected to trail running over decades. Bryce shares how a deep love of the outdoors and the human-powered movement form the foundation for long-term engagement in the sport. The conversation moves into how motivation evolves from personal performance to purpose, service, and community, while also addressing the tension between modern convenience and the sport’s rugged roots. We reflect on gear innovation, race culture changes, and the importance of maintaining responsibility, resilience, and self-reliance on the trail. Bryce offers powerful insights on longevity, consistency, and adapting expectations as we age without losing joy. Ultimately, the episode is about staying grounded in your “why” while evolving with each season of life Episode Sponsors: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! - Footwear that let your feet be feet. Get 10% off on our TImestamps: 02:30 – What Creates Longevity in the Sport Love of the outdoors + human-powered movement as the foundation for staying in trail running long-term. 08:00 – Origins, Gear Evolution & Finding Your “Why” Early days of the sport, how gear has changed, and the risk of losing intrinsic motivation. 13:30 – Redefining Performance: From PRs to “FK Me” Shifting from peak performance to personal best for your current stage of life. 19:00 – Has Trail Running Lost Its Edge? Discussion on race culture, aid stations, responsibility, and the tension between convenience and adventure. 27:00 – Solo vs Community: The Balance That Sustains Us Running as meditation vs shared experience, and why both matter for longevity. 34:00 – Adapting as You Age: Training, Gear & Recovery Cross-training, strength work, and evolving expectations to stay healthy and consistent. 55:00 – Advice to Your Younger (and Older) Self Consistency, simplicity, and long-term thinking as the keys to a lifetime in the sport. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40637635

EP 773: Why We Choose to Suffer (And Love It) 03/19/2026

EP 773: Why We Choose to Suffer (And Love It) In this episode, we are joined again by coach to explore the book, T by Paul Bloom, and discuss why endurance athletes voluntarily seek discomfort in pursuit of meaning, growth, and satisfaction. We discuss the concept of “benign masochism,” highlighting how pain and pleasure are deeply intertwined in long races and hard efforts. We talk about internal versus external motivation, the power of anticipation, and how reframing challenges can shape both performance and mindset. We explore flow state, decision-making under fatigue, and why doing hard things helps us better appreciate everyday life. Ultimately, the episode reflects on how endurance sports create community, reveal character, and provide a powerful lens for understanding human behavior and purpose. Check out more about Adam and hire him as a coach Sponsors: - check out how to win a free pair of the new Sanctum SL and how to get a discount - let your feet be feet! TimeStamps 00:00 – Intro & Book Overview: Introduction to The Sweet Spot and why endurance athletes are drawn to discomfort and meaning. 03:20 – First Impressions of the Book: Initial reactions and key takeaways about doing hard things and personal growth. 05:50 – What is “Benign Masochism”? Exploring voluntary suffering and why difficult challenges feel rewarding. 08:10 – Internal vs External Motivation: Do we pursue hard goals for ourselves or for recognition from others? 15:30 – Pain, Pleasure & the “Ikea Effect”: Why effort increases satisfaction and meaning in achievement. 21:10 – Pain as Presence & Mental Focus: How physical discomfort brings runners into the present moment. 26:50 – The Power of Anticipation & Race Anxiety: Mental rehearsal, visualization, and preparing for both highs and lows. 33:20 – Stoicism, Problem Solving & Simple Rules: Decision-making strategies when things go wrong during races. 41:45 – The Paradox of Effort in an Easy World: Why modern comfort drives us to seek difficult challenges. 48:30 – Reframing Struggle & Perspective on the Trail: How mindset shifts can turn suffering into forward progress. 55:00 – Intention Over Perfection: Why showing up with purpose matters more than executing a flawless race. 59:30 – Meaning, Community & Final Quotes: Closing reflections on bonding, humanity, and why endurance sports matter. /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40548165

EP 772: Simple Running. Powerful Living 03/13/2026

EP 772: Simple Running. Powerful Living In this episode, we are joined by Michael Miller to discuss his book and his deep connection to the Indigenous Rarámuri “running people” of Mexico’s Sierra Tarahumara. Drawing on years spent living among the community, Michael shares how running is woven into their social fabric as a celebration of resilience, nature, and togetherness rather than competition or performance. The conversation explores powerful cultural concepts like korima, the practice of sharing without expectation, and how movement in nature can restore balance and contentment in modern life. Michael also reflects on the legacy of Micah True (Caballo Blanco) and the evolution of the Ultramarathon Caballo Blanco race, which now brings together runners from around the world while supporting local communities. We consider what trail runners can learn from the Rarámuri about simplicity, presence, and reconnecting with the deeper purpose of running. Ultimately, the discussion suggests that “running like a Rarámuri” is less about technique and more about learning to live with gratitude, connection, and joy. Check out the non-profit for more information and how to support these projects, and these other links: Sponsors: - check out how to win a free pair of the new Sanctum SL and how to get a discount - let your feet be feet! Timestamps 0:00 Intro to Michael Miller and Run Like a Rarámuri 2:05 What makes the Ultramarathon Caballo Blanco unique 6:15 Who the Rarámuri are and how Born to Run shaped their global story 14:10 Running as culture: traditional games, community, and connection 20:06 Michael’s personal journey to the Sierra and why this became a passion project 29:37 Training vs. lifestyle: how the Rarámuri develop endurance naturally 34:52 Is the book about running… or about living? 44:42 Korima explained: sharing, gratitude, and the social fabric of the Rarámuri 51:11 Supporting the community: nonprofit work and how listeners can help 58:13 Closing reflections on Micah True’s legacy and running free /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40445905

EP 771: Aging as an Athlete: Mindset, Longevity, and the Love of Running 03/05/2026

EP 771: Aging as an Athlete: Mindset, Longevity, and the Love of Running In this episode of Trail Runner Nation’s Aging as an Athlete series, along with , we welcome elite ultrarunner and therapist for a thoughtful conversation about longevity in endurance sports. Drawing on more than two decades of racing at the highest level, Darcy explains that there is no “magic pill” for staying in the sport long term, emphasizing instead the importance of self-care, strength work, listening to the body, and adapting training as athletes age. The discussion explores the mental side of endurance, including acceptance of changing performance, learning to manage negative thoughts during long races, and developing the wisdom that comes from decades of experience. Darcy also shares how mindfulness and time in nature play a powerful role in both mental health and athletic performance, something she incorporates into her therapy practice. We reflect on the evolving identity of an athlete over time, balancing competitiveness with enjoyment, family life, and other pursuits beyond running. We highlight that staying in the sport for decades is less about chasing podiums and more about cultivating resilience, perspective, and a lasting love for the trail. Check out Darcy's Therapy practice, or get in touch with her . If you're in Bellingham, WA in March and want to help out at , click Episode Sponsor: - CLARITY ON THE TRAIL: Post your Golden Nugget on Instagram, tag @TifosiOptics, @TrailRunnerNation, and use the hashtag #ClarityOnTheTrail. If we use yours on a weekly episode, you get a pair of the new ! Episode Topics & Timestamps 1:00 – Darcy’s Background: Elite Runner and Therapist 3:30 – What Creates Longevity in the Sport? 6:00 – The Mental Side of Aging as an Athlete 9:00 – Mindfulness, Stress, and Mental Training 12:45 – Mental Toughness in Ultrarunning 17:30 – The Power of Nature and Trail Therapy 23:00 – Managing Focus During Long Races 29:00 – Racing for the Podium vs Racing for the Experience 31:30 – How Darcy Found Ultrarunning 35:30 – Hardrock, Motherhood, and Career Balance 38:30 – Training Philosophy for Longevity 41:00 – The Wednesday Women’s Run in Boulder 44:00 – Identity Beyond Running 48:00 – What Makes a Race Truly Successful? 52:30 – Advice to Younger and Older Versions of Yourself 56:30 – The Mental vs Physical Performance Question 1:00:15 – Therapy in Action and Closing Thoughts /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40331055

EP 770: Racing the Clock: Life at the Cutoff 02/27/2026

EP 769: Is Your Watch Lying? The Truth About VO₂ Max and Real Fitness 02/20/2026

EP 769: Is Your Watch Lying? The Truth About VO₂ Max and Real Fitness In this episode, we are joined by , Coaching Development Director for . We take a practical look at VO₂ max and what it really means for everyday runners. We explore whether this popular performance metric is truly essential, how much it matters for trail and ultra athletes, and where it can be misunderstood or overemphasized. The conversation cuts through the numbers to focus on what actually helps runners train smarter, stay healthy, and improve long-term performance. If you’ve ever wondered whether your VO₂ max score is a guiding light or just another shiny data point, this episode brings clarity and perspective from the trail. Key Topics What is VO2 max and why does it matter for ultra runners? The accuracy and limitations of wearable VO2 max estimates How VO2 max relates to performance, aging, and training adaptability The concept of fractional utilization versus maximum effort Strategies for incorporating VO2 max training into your season Cross-training options like cycling and swimming for low-impact VO2 max work Monitoring progress with lab versus field testing and subjective feedback The importance of training variety and maintaining the entire aerobic engine Practical workout templates: intervals, recovery, and dosage over seasons How strength training and muscle mass influence VO2 max Get the . Timestamps 00:00 - Overview of the podcast topic: VO2 max importance for ultra runners 02:31 - Christian Blumenfeldt’s unbelievable VO2 max of 101.1 — reality versus perception 03:26 - Simplified definition of VO2 max — oxygen consumption capacity of the body 04:43 - Limitations of wearable VO2 max estimates and lab versus field testing accuracy 05:34 - Why VO2 max is only part of the performance equation, not the whole story 07:13 - How VO2 max predicts short race performance but less so in ultradistance events 08:11 - The impact of fatigue resistance, durability, and fueling on ultramarathon success 09:31 - The significance of fractional utilization (operating below VO2 max ceiling) 10:13 - Can VO2 max be manipulated through training? Early season versus peak preparation 12:00 - The endurance spectrum: training both VO2 max and aerobic base for a well-rounded system 13:35 - Visualizing training as a string; raising ceiling versus improving utilization 14:34 - Should runners push to their VO2 max ceiling or focus on fractional utilization? 17:17 - Training strategies: balancing intensity, recovery, and avoiding injury during VO2 max work 20:04 - Substituting high-intensity VO2 work with cross-training (cycling, swimming) to reduce impact 21:28 - Monitoring other critical metrics: lactate threshold, recovery pace, subjective feedback 23:53 - The significance of individualized, periodized VO2 max training blocks 26:42 - The importance of patience, gradual progression, and listening to your body 28:55 - How to incorporate VO2 max sessions into your weekly plan: frequency, duration, and recovery 33:16 - The role of training specificity and modality as competition approaches 41:38 - Maintaining fitness and VO2 max as we age through consistent, varied training 43:33 - Linking strength training and lean muscle mass to VO2 max improvements 46:51 - Cross-training options and managing impact: cycling, swimming, hill repeats 48:37 - Final tips for beginners and experienced runners on starting VO2 max work safely 52:12 - The future of training: evidence-based approaches and coaching support at CTS /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40178680

EP 768: Is Muscle the Missing Piece in Your Training? 02/12/2026

EP 768: Is Muscle the Missing Piece in Your Training? In this episode, rejoins Trail Runner Nation discuss why muscle is the real engine behind endurance, performance, and long-term health, especially as runners get older. The conversation explores how and why we lose muscle over time, why this decline matters for speed, resilience, and injury prevention, and the encouraging truth that much of it is reversible. Alex explains the critical role of strength training, the importance of intensity and progressive load, and how endurance athletes can balance running with the work needed to maintain power. The discussion also challenges common myths about aging, showing that performance losses are not inevitable but often the result of training gaps rather than biology alone. For aging athletes and lifelong runners, this episode offers a practical roadmap for staying strong, capable, and competitive for decades. This discussion began from Alex's review of Michael Joseph Gross' book, "" Key Topics: The evolving understanding of muscle as a core component of human health, not just aesthetics or performance. Historical perspectives on muscle research, from ancient Greece to misconceptions over the centuries. The modern shift towards heavy lifting among elite athletes and implications for older adults. The inspiring work of Maria Fiaturone Singh on elderly resistance training and outcomes in musculoskeletal health. Practical advice for incorporating strength training into daily life with minimal equipment. The psychological and physical joys of feeling the movement of heavy lifting with purpose. How resistance training enhances posture, independence, and injury prevention in aging. Personal journeys—from bodybuilding to running, and reintegration of strength work in midlife. Overcoming mental barriers to strength training: finding routines you enjoy and tracking progress. The importance of consistent, accessible strength habits like bodyweight exercises and small routines. Timestamps: 00:00 - Welcome and episode overview: Why muscle matters for longevity and performance 03:04 - Historical insights on human perceptions of muscle across centuries 06:07 - The pioneers redefining muscle's role in aging and health span 09:49 - Debunking myths about muscle decline after 60 and implications for older adults 13:23 - The prejudice within medicine and sports communities against strength training 14:37 - Maintaining posture and independence through muscle health 18:11 - How elite athletes have adopted heavy lifting techniques 21:23 - Personal stories: Don's bodybuilding background and Alex's running evolution 24:39 - The joys of feeling powerful and acting upon the environment through strength 28:09 - Practical tips for integrating resistance exercises into everyday routines 34:30 - How tracking progress enhances motivation and long-term adherence 39:38 - Finding your personal motivation and joy in strength training 41:33 - Quick resistance exercises on the trail or at home 43:23 - The impact of efficient strength habits on overall well-being Resources & Links: — by Michael Joseph Gross Connect with Alex Hutchinson: Get the . /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/40091945

EP 767: Duct Tape Is Dead: Modern Foot Care for Long Miles 02/06/2026

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EP 765: Aging as an Athlete - Quinn Brett on Redefining Life as an Athlete After Injury 01/23/2026

EP 765: Aging as an Athlete - Quinn Brett on Redefining Life as an Athlete After Injury In this powerful episode, we sit down with our special co-host, and with climber, endurance athlete, and paraplegic adventurer for a conversation that stretches far beyond sport. We explore what happens when the body changes, identity is shaken, and resilience becomes a daily practice. Quinn’s story is one of dramatic transformation. Once a climber, guide, and search-and-rescue professional, her life changed forever after a catastrophic fall on El Capitan in 2017 that left her with a T11 ASIA A spinal cord injury. With honesty and clarity, Quinn explains what that diagnosis means, how it affects her body, and how it reshaped the way she sees herself and the world. But this episode is not about loss. It’s about endurance redefined. Drawing on her background in psychology, yoga, and ultra-endurance sport, Quinn shares how the mindset she built as an athlete now fuels her recovery and her future. Endurance, she explains, is no longer measured in miles or summits, but in the daily choice to keep moving forward, mentally and emotionally. The conversation weaves through the realities of aging, injury, and reinvention, highlighting the role of community, purpose, and curiosity in building a meaningful next chapter. Quinn’s eyes are firmly on the horizon, with goals that include open-water swimming and even triathlons, proof that adventure doesn’t end when life changes direction. This episode is a reminder that while our bodies evolve and our paths shift, the spirit of an athlete, the drive to explore, and the courage to adapt can remain boundless. Gold Nuggets Aging and injury can redefine, not diminish, the athlete’s journey Understanding spinal cord injuries fosters empathy and support Endurance is as much mental as it is physical Community, mindset, and purpose are essential for long-term resilience Links that you should check out: movie on Amazon Prime film Get the . /episode/index/show/trailrunnernation/id/39846420