The Emotional Labor Podcast
It is not often that I meet someone, living a very full personal and professional life, and who has figured out how to spread around the weight of emotional labor. But after speaking with my guest, Patricia De Fonte, I walked away from that conversation thinking that, wow, here’s a role model for delegating, dialoguing, and anticipating what’s coming up. Patricia De Fonte is the brains and heart behind De Fonte Law PC, where "Estate Planning With Heart®" isn’t just a tagline—it’s the ethos of the practice. Listen in on our conversation and you’ll hear how Patricia...
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Dr. Loleen Berdahl and Dr. Christie Schultz Since its inception, the Emotional Labor podcast has delved deep into the mental load of emotional labor as it exists within the home. Our guests have included authors and researchers whose work intersects with the many invisible layers of emotional labor at home. In this episode, we are thrilled to discuss a fascinating series of articles published on Canada’s University Affairs website, authored by Loleen Berdahl and Christie Schultz. Loleen Berdahl is an award-winning university instructor, the executive director of the Johnson Shoyama...
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Dr. Susan Landers retired from her work as a neonatologist – a career that spanned 34 years. But alas, although “retired” Dr. Susan found, “I just could not sit still.” Sharing compelling stories from her medical practice with her book club members, as she shouldered the heavy load of raising a family, her cohort encouraged her Susan to write about her experiences. As such, Susan went from birthing babies to birthing a book, and in 2021, was born. I thoroughly enjoyed my conversation with Dr. Susan – smart, thoughtful, and reflective, she shared the...
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David Smith is an Associate Professor of Sociology at Johns Hopkins University. Carey Business School. I came across his name when I read a review for his second book, Good Guys: How Men Can Be Better Allies for Women in the Workplace (Harvard Business Review Press, 2020). What I find remarkable and special about David, was learning about his “why.” When I asked how he came to understand the need for gender equity in the paid workplace, Dr. David told me the story about his, and his wife’s 1987 graduation from the Naval Academy – both leaving the institution...
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Ingrid Jansen is a friend, colleague, and gifted entrepreneur based in London. Ingrid co-founded, with her pal Lesley Spellman, The De-Clutter Hub, an online membership platform for cluttered folks needing the support to make their way from chaos to clarity. The two women host a podcast with 1.5 million downloads, and they host a FaceBook group with 18 thousand members. It goes without saying these women are a force of nature. And so, it was my great good future to catch up with Ingrid. We talked about her client base, “95% women!” and their biggest pain point, “Overwhelm!” and...
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Back when she was starting her family, Gifty Enright wished she had in her tool-kit, the language of Emotional Labor. Granted, she may have avoided a lot of grief and despair, but then again, we would have never known her gift for putting to words the feelings she had when she Just. Burned. Out., and as described in her book, . Gifty has spent a good chuck of her professional life in accounting and IT – working hard to be successful as her male counterparts without at first recognizing that her male counterparts were actually doing only half the work,...
info_outline The Emotional Labor Podcast - Joanna SchroederThe Emotional Labor Podcast
Joanna Schroeder is a force. She’s at the forefront of the spreading the word about raising non-sexist, non-racist sons, and so I can’t wait to read her latest book, Talk to Your Boys: 27 Crucial Conversations to Have With Your Tweens and Teen Sons due early 2025. Joanna is also a writer, editor and feminist media critic. She was raised by a feminist and knows well the phrase, ‘We can do it all,’ to which Joanna responds, ‘But we shouldn’t have to.” She gave me a new way of thinking about the parent who ‘does it all’ – more as the ‘default parent’ –...
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It’s not often I read an article with the words “gender equity” embedded in the title. I had not finished reading Sara Madera’s article, when I started my email to Sara inviting her to the Emotional Labor podcast. And I’m so glad that I did. Aside from being an insightful writer, Sara Madera brings her understanding of gender equity at home as a career coach for working moms. Sara comes to her knowledge of household equity through experience – living with her spouse and children and having what sounds like substantive...
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Dr. Shahrzad Nooravi is a business psychologist, Master Certified Coach (MCC) and Founder and CEO of Strategy Meets Performance, a business consulting firm that partners with leaders of mid-sized to Fortune 500 organizations to help them create engaging, innovative, and productive cultures. Dr. Nooravi has been named “Trailblazer of the Year,” “Citizen of the Year,” and “A Voice to Listen to” for driving positive change in her community. Her new leadership book, "A Powerful Culture Starts with You" was rated as the #1 New Release in Workplace Culture and Best Seller in Business...
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Kelly Ryan Bailey is our guest this week and I’m excited to introduce her to our Emotional Labor podcast community. An entrepreneur, speaker, advisor, investor, spouse, and… mama of 3 – Kelly is one smart woman who has parlayed her life experience with major burn-out at the tender age of 36 – into viable business entities. From her platform, Kelly offers workshops, global retreats, and, her new endeavor on Linked In, Let’s Talk Live, focusing on monetizing unpaid labor, which is brilliant. We had a wonderful conversation about the ways in which culture and...
info_outlineBack when she was starting her family, Gifty Enright wished she had in her tool-kit, the language of Emotional Labor. Granted, she may have avoided a lot of grief and despair, but then again, we would have never known her gift for putting to words the feelings she had when she Just. Burned. Out., and as described in her book, The Octopus On A Treadmill. Gifty has spent a good chuck of her professional life in accounting and IT – working hard to be successful as her male counterparts without at first recognizing that her male counterparts were actually doing only half the work, considering it that is was unlikely that successful men were also responsible for the management of the home, or so-called, ‘women’s work.’ Like nearly all women, Gifty was raised to believe that if she wanted it ‘all’ she had to be willing to do it all. And then she burned out.
And now, Gifty Enright is a speaker, author, communicator, and coach – working specifically with mothers in their roles as professionals in the paid workplace, and moms in the unpaid workplace (home). She has so much to say about the importance of making visible the work of the household, instructing her clients and their spouses to list all the jobs they perform at home, and then compare and share the lists with each other. Her clients come to her feeling like failures, that they are stagnating professionally, losing ground to their male counterparts and losing confidence along the way. For Gifty – mothers are the center of gravity – they hold the world together and need a hell of a lot more support – and boundaries – to go out and contribute to the world on their terms. At home, this means establishing a baseline for “good enough,” partnering with the other adult in the household, and giving the children opportunities to contribute to the management of the home – because “even a 2-year-old can drag her pajamas to the laundry room.”