Shift: From Product to People - A Conversation on Agile Evolution
Release Date: 11/17/2024
Beyond Agile Theater w Gene Gendel: Organizational Design
Agile Uprising Podcast
In this Agile Uprising pod, co-hosts Andy Cleff and Adrew Leff conclude a trilogy with Gene Gendel by examining why organizational design must be the foundation for sustainable agility. Drawing on his experience as a transformation agent, Gene challenges the common approach of starting with mindset change and explains why structural changes must come first. The discussion brings together insights from the previous episodes about HR policies, financial structures, and product orientation to provide leaders with practical guidance for creating an environment where agility can truly flourish. ...
info_outline
The Kenny Rogers Corollary
Agile Uprising Podcast
One of the hardest decisions we make as professionals is knowing when it's time to leave a job. This week we sit down to compare notes on how we make our decisions, and what references or heuristics we use to help ensure we're making the right choice. Enjoy!
info_outline
Rediscovering Natural Human Organization w Simon Holzapfel
Agile Uprising Podcast
In this episode of the Agile Uprising podcast, host Andy Cleff chats with Simon Holzapfel about how humans organized and learned together before industrial-age practices disrupted our natural patterns. Through examples from anthropology, biology, and neuroscience, they explore what ancient societies and our own biology can teach us about effective collaboration at scale. The conversation challenges common assumptions about organizational hierarchy and control, suggesting that agile principles aren't new inventions, but rather a rediscovery of how humans naturally work and learn...
info_outline
The Ripple Effect: Making Sense of Complex Change with Patrick Verdonk
Agile Uprising Podcast
When you find yourself drowning in change metrics and conflicting feedback from multiple transformation initiatives, how do you make sense of it all? Join Agile Uprising Host Andy Cleff and his guest Patrick Verdonk as they explore why traditional change frameworks alone aren't enough in today's complex organizations. Patrick, an experienced change facilitator and author of "", shares insights from his research and practical experience on how different change models interact and influence each other. Using Nokia's transformation journey as a backdrop, they discuss how change agents can...
info_outline
Beyond Agile Theater w Gene Gendel: Product Centricity
Agile Uprising Podcast
In this Agile Uprising pod, Andy Cleff welcomes back Gene Gendel to dive deep into what true product orientation means beyond surface-level changes. Gene unpacks common misconceptions about product-centric organizations and explores the 'productization saga' - where companies relabel components without meaningful structural change. The conversation examines how work breakdown, team structure, and budgeting practices impact genuine product focus, offering practical insights for organizations seeking authentic transformation. Contact Info LinkedIn: Twitter: Website: Meetup...
info_outline
Bad Sh!t Managers Do: Moving From Management to Leadership with Dr. Steve Martin
Agile Uprising Podcast
Join host Andy Cleff and his guest Dr. Steve Martin, author of "" for an honest and often humorous exploration of the journey from management to true leadership. Drawing on his diverse background - from Disney cast member to Fortune 100 consultant - Steve shares practical insights on how to impact behavior, build trust, and empower teams. Whether you're a new manager or a seasoned leader, you'll discover why managing isn't just about what you do, but how you shape the environment around you. Plus, find out what marathon running can teach us about sustainable leadership...
info_outline
Beyond Agile Theater w Gene Gendel: Organizational Enablers
Agile Uprising Podcast
In this Agile Uprising pod, co-hosts Andy Cleff and Jay Hrcsko chat with Gene Gendel about how HR policies and financial structures can either enable or constrain organizational agility. Gene shares insights from decades of experience helping organizations navigate the challenges of traditional performance management and budgeting practices. Drawing from his work as an 'Agile Theater Recovery Specialist,' Gene explores why these organizational structures are critical starting points for meaningful transformation and how leaders can begin turning potential constraints into enablers of change. ...
info_outline
A Rumination on the Cathedral
Agile Uprising Podcast
This week Jay goes solo to talk about something that's been on his mind lately...cathedrals. If you've got an open mind you might get something out of this one. Enjoy. If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us. Much thanks to the artist from who provided us our outro music free-of-charge! If you like what you heard, to find more music you might enjoy! If you’d like to join the...
info_outline
Navigating Conflict: Transforming Tensions into Growth
Agile Uprising Podcast
Join Andy Cleff, Claudia Orozco-Gomez, Mike Cadell, and MG as they dive deep into the nuances of conflict in work settings. Their conversation explores how to recognize different types of conflict, distinguish between healthy and unhealthy disagreement, and navigate cultural differences in global teams. The panel share practical insights on creating effective working agreements, the importance of timing in addressing conflicts, and techniques for facilitating difficult conversations. Whether you're a team coach uncomfortable with conflict or a leader managing remote, hybrid or colocated teams,...
info_outline
Shift: From Product to People - A Conversation on Agile Evolution
Agile Uprising Podcast
In this Uprising Podcast episode hosted by Andy Cleff, Michael "Mad Dog" Dougherty and Pete "OK" Oliver-Krueger discuss their new book "Shift from Product to People" - a novel exploring the third wave of agile adoption. Through rich character development inspired by real people and the Enneagram personality system, they illustrate how organizations struggle even after implementing agile practices and DevOps. Mike and Pete reveal why focusing on frameworks and processes alone isn't enough, sharing their vision of people-first transformation. They discuss the evolution from individual team...
info_outlineIn this Uprising Podcast episode hosted by Andy Cleff, Michael "Mad Dog" Dougherty and Pete "OK" Oliver-Krueger discuss their new book "Shift from Product to People" - a novel exploring the third wave of agile adoption.
Through rich character development inspired by real people and the Enneagram personality system, they illustrate how organizations struggle even after implementing agile practices and DevOps.
Mike and Pete reveal why focusing on frameworks and processes alone isn't enough, sharing their vision of people-first transformation. They discuss the evolution from individual team agility (Wave 1) through scaled frameworks (Wave 2) to their proposed third wave - returning focus to people while solving real organizational problems.
Drawing from their extensive consulting experience, Mad Dog and OK explore how the consulting industry's obsession with frameworks has sometimes overshadowed the human element that makes agile truly effective.
They also preview their next two books that will complete the trilogy, including "Shift from Products to Problems."
Key Topics:
- The three waves of agile adoption
- Why organizations fail despite "doing all the right things"
- Using the Enneagram for authentic character development
- The future of agile in a post-framework world
- Balancing people focus with business outcomes
Links
Book/Kindle
Contact Info
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/agilemichaeldougherty/
- https://www.linkedin.com/in/peteok/
- https://twitter.com/doughertymic
Websites
- https://www.libraryofagile.org/
- https://leanagileenterprises.com/
- https://www.shiftingpeople.com/
- The Nine Enneagram Type Descriptions
- Did Agile Shit the Bed?
Previous Episodes
- Jan 24, 2021: Shift: From Product to People with Pete Oliver-Krueger and Michael Dougherty
- Jan 16, 2022: TheoryU with Jason Little, Mike Dougherty, and Pete Oliver-Krueger
- Jan 30 2022: The Library of Agile with Mike Dougherty and Pete Oliver-Krueger
Related Podcasts:
- Dark Side of Agile Coaching (2018)
- Zombie Agile with Prof. Dave Snowden (2018)
- Sociocracy (Episode 1 of n) with Ted Rau (2021)
- Who Decides Who Decides: Getting Started with Sociocracy (2021)
Closing Tunes: Your Brains by Jonathan Coulton is licensed under a Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 International License.
About the Agile Uprising
- If you enjoyed this episode, please give us a review, a rating, or leave comments on iTunes, Stitcher or your podcasting platform of choice. It really helps others find us.
- If you’d like to join the discussion and share your stories, please jump into the fray at our Discord Server!
- We at the Agile Uprising are committed to being totally free. However, if you’d like to contribute and help us defray hosting and production costs we do have a Patreon. Who knows, you might even get some surprises in the mail!
- AU Merch:https://www.stickermule.com/cb87073cb7b3a36