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EBB 363 - A Remarkable Journey from "Babies Are Not Pizzas" Student to Critical Care Nurse to Nurse Midwife with Liz Carr, CNM

Evidence Based Birth®

Release Date: 07/02/2025

EBB 363 - A Remarkable Journey from EBB 363 - A Remarkable Journey from "Babies Are Not Pizzas" Student to Critical Care Nurse to Nurse Midwife with Liz Carr, CNM

Evidence Based Birth®

From ICU to birth center, Liz Carr’s story is a reminder that midwives come to this work through many paths, and each journey holds wisdom for the future of maternal care.   In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker reconnects with former nursing student turned certified nurse midwife, Liz Carr. Liz shares her unique trajectory: from critical care nursing to catching babies, from witnessing obstetric violence as a student to providing trauma-informed, evidence-based midwifery care. Liz and Rebecca explore the impact of diverse clinical experiences, the challenges of navigating midwifery...

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Carson Meyer, doula, certified nutrition consultant, and author of Growing Together, joins Dr. Rebecca Dekker for a conversation about reclaiming the sacred, intuitive, and evidence-based aspects of pregnancy, birth, and postpartum. Carson shares how she stepped into birth work at a young age, driven by a desire to transform a system that can leave parents disempowered and unsupported. She opens up about her own home birth experience, the spiritual preparation that carried her through, and the tools she now teaches others through her virtual Growing Together Circles. Together, Carson and Dr....

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  In this Q&A episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker answers questions submitted by EBB Pro Members—each exploring a different facet of evidence-based maternity care.   First, she explores the latest evidence on early induction for gestational hypertension, including findings from the WILL trial and other recent studies. What are the real risks and benefits of inducing labor at 37 or 38 weeks for gestational hypertension? And how should families weigh these decisions with their providers?   Next, Dr. Dekker shares new insights into the effectiveness of acupuncture and...

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In today’s episode, we’re diving into the evidence on perineal tears and the importance of avoiding episiotomies during childbirth. We’ll talk about what perineal tears are, the different types that can occur, and the potential health consequences that can follow. You’ll also hear about the various factors that may increase or decrease the risk of tearing during birth. Finally, we’ll cover why it’s so important to avoid an episiotomy during childbirth. Content warning: Discussion of perineal tears during childbirth, severe tears, episiotomy, and obstetric violence related to...

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From ICU to birth center, Liz Carr’s story is a reminder that midwives come to this work through many paths, and each journey holds wisdom for the future of maternal care.
 
In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker reconnects with former nursing student turned certified nurse midwife, Liz Carr. Liz shares her unique trajectory: from critical care nursing to catching babies, from witnessing obstetric violence as a student to providing trauma-informed, evidence-based midwifery care. Liz and Rebecca explore the impact of diverse clinical experiences, the challenges of navigating midwifery school without labor and delivery experience, and the transformative power of reproductive justice. Liz also opens up about working in abortion care before and after the fall of Roe v. Wade, how she centers consent and autonomy in every interaction, and why investing in the education of future physicians is one of her biggest hopes for change.
 
Content Note: This episode contains discussion of obstetric violence (non-consented episiotomy) and providing abortion care.
 
(00:00) Liz Carr’s Journey from Nursing Student to Certified Nurse Midwife
(04:27) Early Inspiration and Moving to Kentucky
(08:02) Witnessing Harmful Obstetric Practices and Choosing a Different Path
(11:53) Gaining Lifesaving Skills as a Critical Care Nurse
(16:30) Transitioning from ICU Nurse to Birth Work through Doula Training
(21:24) Midwifery Education and Clinical Challenges
(25:39) Abortion Care Training at CHOICES Before and After Roe v. Wade
(32:46) Systemic Barriers and the Importance of Postpartum Support
(35:36) Most Memorable Births and Special Moments
(37:13) Teaching Medical Residents and Modeling Consent
(40:54) Advice for Aspiring Midwives and Navigating Career Choices
(45:01) Red Flags and Green Flags in Job Interviews
(48:04) When Slower Access to Surgery Leads to Better Birth Outcomes
 
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Resources
Read about the Turnaway Study
Check your hospital’s stats at the Leapfrog Hospital Safety Grade
Learn more about Frontier Nursing University
Get your copy of Babies Are Not Pizzas
 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.