Episode 65: Why Suffering Becomes a Spiritual Awakening with Scott Sauls
On Adventure Podcast with Josh Self
Release Date: 12/31/2025
Episode 73: Running is Life with Aaron Saft
On Adventure Podcast with Josh Self
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Episode 68: Who You Become When There's No Way Out with Robbie Lenfestey
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Episode 67: How to find God in Solitude, Silence and Wilderness with Bishop Mark Beckman
On Adventure Podcast with Josh Self
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Episode 65: Why Suffering Becomes a Spiritual Awakening with Scott Sauls
On Adventure Podcast with Josh Self
David Brooks describes life as a journey up two mountains. The first mountain is about achievement—building a career, proving yourself, chasing success. The second mountain begins when the first no longer satisfies, and you’re called into a deeper life of meaning, surrender, and service. This episode lives squarely on that second mountain. This conversation is the second installment in our series exploring where spirituality and adventure overlap, and it’s an honest look at what happens when ambition gives way to awakening. I sat down with Scott Sauls to talk about burnout, identity, and...
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info_outlineDavid Brooks describes life as a journey up two mountains. The first mountain is about achievement—building a career, proving yourself, chasing success. The second mountain begins when the first no longer satisfies, and you’re called into a deeper life of meaning, surrender, and service. This episode lives squarely on that second mountain.
This conversation is the second installment in our series exploring where spirituality and adventure overlap, and it’s an honest look at what happens when ambition gives way to awakening. I sat down with Scott Sauls to talk about burnout, identity, and the courage it takes to walk away from what once defined you. We explore why suffering often becomes the doorway to spiritual depth, how achievement can quietly turn into addiction, and why community—not independence—is the missing ingredient in most meaningful adventures.
If you’ve ever felt successful on paper but empty underneath—or sensed a pull toward something more without knowing how to answer it—this conversation will meet you right where you are.
Timeline Highlights
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[2:45] – Why this conversation fits into the spirituality-and-adventure series
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[7:30] – Scott’s leadership journey and the hidden cost of achievement
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[14:10] – When productivity becomes identity—and why it eventually breaks us
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[22:40] – Why suffering often precedes clarity, healing, and spiritual growth
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[31:55] – Redefining adventure beyond the outdoors
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[41:20] – The role of community in recovery and transformation
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[52:10] – Curiosity, humility, and letting go of control
Key Themes & Topics
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Midlife transition
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Spirituality and adventure
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Burnout, recovery, and identity
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Faith, suffering, and meaning
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Leadership and emotional health
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Community vs isolation
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Risk, uncertainty, and growth
Links & Resources
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Scott Sauls – leadership coaching and writing
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The Second Mountain by David Brooks
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From Strength to Strength by Arthur Brooks
Closing
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Thanks for listening. I’ll see you on the adventure.