#173 - Bryan De Justin: Tarot & the Unconscious: A Freudian Perspective - Tarot Psychology
Release Date: 10/16/2026
#173 - Bryan De Justin: Tarot & the Unconscious: A Freudian Perspective - Tarot Psychology
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
“Mythology, resistant to time and age, has long instructed humanity in the ancient truths of life’s mysteries. The Tarot, as a mythology of human existence, is no different. Mythology, within a psychotherapeutic framework, functions through personification.” ... “The use of the Tarot in therapy is therefore parallel to the use of projective tests such as the Thematic Apperception Test. The Tarot arguably holds an advantage over the TAT in that it is inherently encoded with cultural, psychological, and philosophical symbolism.” (Quotes from Bryan De Justin’s book, the focus of this...
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#172 - Kristin Fontana: Amazon Rising: Awakening the Wild Feminine
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
"The Soul must gradually strip away the armor of perceived safety—the identities, defenses, and strategies formed under threat, and risk becoming essential once again. Vulnerable. Present. Alive." This is a quote from my guest in this episode- I speak with Kristin Fontana, Evolutionary Astrologer and teacher at the School of Evolutionary Astrology, about her new book "Amazon Rising: Awakening the Wild Feminine", 2026. I must say a very inspiring book!! The Amazon is the female expression of the Warrior Archetype, and in the birth chart the asteroid Amazone (#1042) marks the place where...
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#171 - Death Charts & Twin Loss - Moon Zlotnik - An Astrological Tool for the Bereaved
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
Astrologer Linda "Moon Rabbit" Zlotnik has practiced astrology since 1975. When her identical twin, Lou Ann, died in 2005, Moon cast a chart for the moment of her sister's last breath, and a decade of healing and study led her to devote her work to death charts and the bereaved. For Moon, the death chart is a special gift to those left behind: commonly thought of as an ending, it becomes a different kind of beginning!! In this episode we talk about her new book "Death Charts: An Astrological Tool for the Bereaved" - TAP in with us as we explore: -How astrology can help the...
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#170 - Redwood Naragon on the Nodes of Pluto - Our Collective Evolutionary Path
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
Evolutionary astrologer Redwood Naragon joins me to talk about the collective planetary nodes, a speciality he has develop into over many years, inspired by Jeffrey Wolfgreen and the EA School. Here you will hear Redwoods take on what the nodes say about the evolutionary direction of humanity as a whole. We start with the nodes of Pluto, to align with the EA Pluto Paradigm. From there Redwood alo goes into Venus–Uranus nodal conjunction, which carries the long arc of literacy, trade, technology and travel, and alongside it the recurring experience of social alienation, cultural outcast...
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#169 - Jessica Fern & David Cooley: Consensual & Ethical Non-Monogamy - Navigating Open Relationships
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
"The further we step outside the constructs of monogamy, the more we inevitably come to see our relationships through new eyes, and sometimes we may not like what we see. Whether you are brand new to CNM, or have been living some form of it for years, the changes that come as you or your partner develop new relationships can radically alter your life in unpredictable ways. For many, the changes that CNM can bring act like a pressure cooker, heating things up and bringing to the surface all kinds of feelings, issues, and dynamics that you were potentially never aware of, such as...
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#168 - Joseph Pawson: Dependency and Denial - The Stories That Divide Us
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
"When our cries go unanswered, we find ourselves having to shout louder. It is easy to see how these attempts to be praised can be misread and labelled incorrectly as arrogance, misbehavior, or being a show-off. As a result, it may feel as if we are being told that our need for mirroring is in some way bad or wrong. In being misunderstood, our developmental needs can be misconstrued, and a distorted story may be told about who we are. Sadly, we often internalize these stories and labels and, in doing so, inadvertently deny and exile the vulnerability of our own needs. Misunderstandings of this...
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#167 - Dr. Sherrie Campbell: Cutting Ties with Toxic Family - Rebuild your HOME - Heal from Family Trauma
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
Sherrie Campbell, PhD, is a licensed psychologist who specializes in helping healthy people cut ties with toxic family members. She is a nationally recognized expert on family estrangement, an inspirational speaker, a social media influencer, and author of many books on the theme of toxic and abusive family and how to heal while navigating those biological relationships. In this episode of Therapeutic Astrology Podcast, we tap deeply into toxic family dynamics, emotional abuse, boundaries, family estrangement and healing of it! Our conversation centers especially around Dr. Sherries latest...
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#166 - Philip Shepherd: Ground and Heighten Your Sensitivity to Live More Intelligently AND: How to Feel SAFE When Sensitive (p.2.)
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
"The more sensitive someone is, the more crucial it is that they embody this other quality if their sensitivity is to inform their wholeness rather than disrupt it." & "If our sensitivities open us to the resonances of the world, it is another capacity that enables us to “gather” what is gleaned rather that being overwhelmed or knocked off balance by it: a capacity that enables us to be “collected”—to deepen into our wholeness and assimilate What Is. We might call this integrative quality ‘groundedness’. (Radical Wholeness, 2017, Philip Shepherd - it makes even more sense...
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#165 - Philip Shepherd: Softening Into a Porous Relationship With the Present - Radical Wholeness (p.1.)
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
Okay a long quote, but seriously, check it out: "We feel ourselves held within a personal boundary that keeps our life separate from that of the world. It’s hard to appreciate how strangely normalized that state of ours is until we look to other cultures for comparison. When we seek to promote our personal well-being, for instance, we might think about taking the right supplements, eating organic food, exercising regularly and sleeping well. I have no issue with any of that—but it’s based on an assumption that health will be achieved by doing the right things to...
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#164 - Christina Rodenbeck: Lilith Untamed - Making the Case for Black Moon Lilith: The Astrological Lilith
Therapeutic Astrology Podcast
"Somewhere inside you there is a wildness that yearns to be acknowledged and seen, honoured and cherished, brought into the light. That untamed sliver of self is in all of us". Welcome to an insightful and wide-ranging conversation with Christina Rodenbeck about her book "Lilith Untamed: A Guide to the Astrological Black Moon" (The Wessex Astrologer, 2026, the above quote is from the very beginning of the book). Christina has a long experience with tracking Black Moon Lilith (BML) she started from scratch and tested whether the assumptions about the Lilith archetype actually held water,...
info_outline“Mythology, resistant to time and age, has long instructed humanity in the ancient truths of life’s mysteries. The Tarot, as a mythology of human existence, is no different. Mythology, within a psychotherapeutic framework, functions through personification.” ... “The use of the Tarot in therapy is therefore parallel to the use of projective tests such as the Thematic Apperception Test. The Tarot arguably holds an advantage over the TAT in that it is inherently encoded with cultural, psychological, and philosophical symbolism.” (Quotes from Bryan De Justin’s book, the focus of this episode.)
Excited by these quotes? So am I!! Join me for a rich conversation with author, life coach and hypnotherapist Bryan De Justin as we speak about:
-What is Tarot Psychology?
-The psychology of our species
-Projections in Tarot and mythology to engage with it
-Our different bodies and their perspective
-Symbolic thinking
-What a Freudian perspective in this case means
-Hypnotic portals !
-How the Gods are US
-The Imaginal Symbol Induction Technique
-Eye fascination
-The most important number three !!! and what it represents and how 3 is the basis of our psychology
-Unmet develpmental needs and how to use tarot for that
-Engaging with the unconscious -and not to let other's unconscious effect your interpretation
-The importance of the therapist's own journey with the tarot
-The hidden warning in each card
-Tarot is myth and it explains us
-Psychological unity
-Involuntary celibate
-The upsurge of the Demiurge
-Chiron in sagittarius (remember, we only touch on a few key points, there are many more meanings to such an archetype)
-I also mention the generation that Bryan belongs to, and I love how he also reminds us of the shadow side of uranus in aqurius -being super intelligent yes, but there are real challenges in too high a mind, that is not embodied like the challenges we see in AI.
I hope you enjoy this, TRULY RICH interview, but just one last wonderful quote from Bryans book:
“The foundational premise of all psychoanalytic psychotherapy is that the unconscious knows all that consciousness does not. If one cannot accept this (as many cannot), then one cannot accept psychoanalysis at all. The fact remains that there are deep and repressed aspects of the human being that are as dark and minacious as the profundity of the sea. These aspects exist within all individuals, and it is one of the chief tasks of life to venture into the darkness of the earth in order to confront the darkness within oneself and emerge transformed.”
Thank you for being with us! Stay transformed till next time.
-Mannah
LINKS:
the book we speak on today: https://a.co/d/00HTEGnN
Bryan: https://www.bryandejustincoaching.com
Mannah: https://www.therapeuticastrologer.com/
Youtube edition: https://youtu.be/3OVuNg9pKmU