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Dr. Shai Tubali is a philosopher, researcher, and public intellectual whose work stands at the intersection of consciousness studies, philosophy of AI, and the question of what it means to be fully human. He holds a PhD in philosophy from the University of Leeds, where his subsequent postdoctoral fellowship, centered on Jiddu Krishnamurti's alarming question about AI and the human being, became the seed of the Essence of Humanity project. He is currently a doctoral researcher at the UCL Institute of Education, where his project, supported by UNESCO, develops the Atlas of Human Capacities in the Age of AI, the first rigorously researched, cross-cultural framework of the human capacities most at risk of erosion in an AI-saturated world. 

He is the author of more than twenty books translated into thirteen languages and the creator of the Big Think series How Not to Become Like AI. Through the Alaya Foundation, co-founded with entrepreneur Jose Neves, he leads the Essence of Humanity initiative, a research project, educational programme, and global knowledge hub dedicated to cultivating the depths of human consciousness that no machine can reach.

AI is getting smarter - but what if the real risk is that humans get flatter, faster, and less human? Philosopher and consciousness researcher Shai Tubali reveals why the biggest question in the age of AI is not what machines can do, but what we must protect in ourselves before we start thinking, creating, and living like them.Host David Hill and Shai push past the usual AI hype to tackle the deeper issue: the difference between intelligence and consciousness. They unpack why AI can already outperform us at “intelligent doing,” why that matters for education, work, creativity, and even identity, and why the pressure to optimize everything may be eroding the very capacities that make life meaningful.You’ll discover:

• Why “the smarter will get smarter and the lazy will get lazier” is more than a warning

• The meaning of never-skilling and how it could shape the next generation

• How AI is exposing the difference between achievement and mere output

• Why Shai says the real danger is becoming embodied algorithms

• What the meaningfulness gap is and why it matters more than ever

• Why AI can mimic language without necessarily having an inner life, intention, or care

David also tests Shai’s ideas in real time by putting an AI agent on the mic, leading to a fascinating back-and-forth about first-person language, experience, and whether consciousness can ever emerge from sheer information alone. From there, the conversation widens into a bigger question for every founder, creator, parent, and student: if AI can do more of our work, what parts of being human must remain non-negotiable?Shai shares the thinking behind his Atlas of Human Capacities in the Age of AI, a colorful framework built from conversations with experts across disciplines to help people preserve and deepen their humanity. At the center of it all is wisdom - not as another productivity hack, but as the compass that helps us decide what is worth protecting in the first place.If you’re trying to understand AI without losing yourself in the process, this episode is essential listening. Perfect for anyone who wants to use AI without becoming more machine-like in the process.

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