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Fierce Conversations with Toby

Release Date: 04/02/2024

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“And the point is, you can do it. You have more strength than you think you do. You can go through these tough situations. You move through that adversity, and you move through those struggles. And you keep going.”

-       Pat Black-Gould, Ph.D., clinical psychologist award-winning children’s book author, fiction author, playwright, and today’s guest on Fierce Conversations with Toby


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Some of our fierce topics today:

[09:19] The Paperclip project, is a teacher’s desire to show her students just how big a number is.

[11:43] Turning a children’s book into a ballet performance…

[13:04] Creating a staged production with a dramatic reading of the book, an artistic collage, music and dance.

[14:42] Pat discusses her work as a prison psychologist and discusses the problems faced by those who never had a mentor figure to look up to. 

About Pat Black-Gould, Ph.d:

Pat Black-Gould, Ph.D., is a clinical psychologist and an award-winning children’s book author, fiction author, and playwright. Her children’s book The Crystal Beads, Lalka’s Journey, tells the story of a hidden child of the Holocaust. The book is the recipient of the Moonbeam Children’s Book Award, the Northern Lights Book Award, and the Vinnie Ream Award. Pat is currently turning her book into a stage performance featuring dance and music composed specifically for her work.

Pat and co-author Steve Hardiman will publish their first novel in 2024. All The Broken Angels is a coming-of-age story set during the Vietnam War era.

As a psychologist, Pat has worked on an inpatient Deaf unit and, along with co-author Dr. Neil Glickman, published in the field of mental health and Cultural Deafness.   Pat has also worked as a neuropsychologist and a forensic psychologist in an inpatient forensic unit and at a men’s state correctional prison, working primarily with maximum security level inmates.

In addition, Pat worked for the Veteran’s Administration with a special focus on Vietnam Veterans. She was also the coordinator for the LGBTQ+ veteran population. 

In her early career, Pat was a director and playwright in professional theater and ran a summer stock theater company and a murder mystery theater company. 

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https://www.patblackgould.com/

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Created by Toby Dorr.

Produced by Number Three Productions, a division of GracePoint Publishing.

Theme song:

Lisa Plasse: Composer, arranger, and flutist

Caroline Parody: Piano

Tony Ventura: Bass

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