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Amy Sherald, Ekow Eshun & Jenni Sorkin

Frieze Masters Podcast

Release Date: 11/18/2022

Episode 4: Spatial Intelligence | Nairy Baghramian, Glenn Lowry & Julian Rose show art Episode 4: Spatial Intelligence | Nairy Baghramian, Glenn Lowry & Julian Rose

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‘Isn’t to exhibit to historicize?’ – Julian Rose  Artist Nairy Baghramian, Director of the Museum of Modern Art Glenn Lowry and historian Julian Rose all have extensive experience of presenting art in public places and thinking about civic spaces. In the fourth episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast, they come together to rethink the role and design of museums in shaping cultural exchange.   Nairy Baghramian is an artist whose sculptures offer new ways to address the architectural, social and political conditions of contemporary culture; Glenn Lowry is director of...

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Episode 3: The Power of Painting | Gabriele Finaldi, Jan Dalley & Shirazeh Houshiary show art Episode 3: The Power of Painting | Gabriele Finaldi, Jan Dalley & Shirazeh Houshiary

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‘The viewer makes the painting alive. Without the viewer, that thing doesn't exist.’ – Shirazeh Houshiary  What happens to our understanding of painting when we expand the canon across eras and cultures? In the third episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast, artist Shirazeh Houshiary, Director of the National Gallery Gabriele Finaldi and arts editor Jan Dalley reflect on the celebration and subversion of narrative through painting.  Shirazeh Houshiary is an Iran-born, London-based artist, working in painting and sculpture; Gabriele Finaldi is Director of the National Gallery...

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Episode 2: Faces of Community | Barbara Walker, Ming Smith & Lou Stoppard show art Episode 2: Faces of Community | Barbara Walker, Ming Smith & Lou Stoppard

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‘You have an idea and it goes off in another direction and you either pull it back or you go on the journey. I knew I wanted to make some portraits, but I also knew I didn't want to. I wanted to create some tension.’ – Barbara Walker   In the second episode of the Frieze Masters Podcast, artists Barbara Walker and Ming Smith, and writer and curator Lou Stoppard discuss the evolution of portraiture and ask how it can better reflect and build community. Barbara Walker is a British artist whose work interrogates power, identity and the visibility of Black experience; Ming Smith...

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Episode 1: Good Governance | Chris Bryant MP, Jeremy Deller and Victoria Siddall show art Episode 1: Good Governance | Chris Bryant MP, Jeremy Deller and Victoria Siddall

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‘What do we want the UK to look like in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years in terms of culture?’ – Victoria Siddall The first episode of the 2024 Frieze Masters Podcast brings together Sir Chris Bryant MP, artist Jeremy Deller and new director of the National Portrait Gallery Victoria Siddall to talk about ‘Good Governance’. How can everyone in the UK access art? And what role should government play in the country’s creative education? Chris Bryant is the recently appointed as Minister of State at the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology and the Department for Culture, Media...

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Episode Eight: On Context | Gilbert & George & Dr Nicholas Cullinan show art Episode Eight: On Context | Gilbert & George & Dr Nicholas Cullinan

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‘Sex, death, race and religion’ – these are the topics that the London-based artists Gilbert and George announced they wanted to cover in this talk with Dr Nicholas Cullinan of the National Portrait Gallery. On Context offers insights into the artist’s relationship to concepts: from sculpture to the city, ‘picture making’ to posterity. Gilbert and George resist many of the contexts and interpretations projected onto their practice: trying to keep their work as accessible and open as possible, reflecting their self-proclaimed belief in ‘art for all’.  'We like to let the...

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Episode Seven: On Interiors | Mandy El-Sayegh, Flavia Frigeri & Valerie Cassel Oliver show art Episode Seven: On Interiors | Mandy El-Sayegh, Flavia Frigeri & Valerie Cassel Oliver

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The London home of Galerie Thaddeus Ropac is a traditional eighteenth-century Mayfair townhouse, once home to the Bishop of Ely. But for artist Mandy El-Sayegh’s 2023 exhibition ‘Interiors’, its spaces were transformed into a riot of colour and pattern across paintings, textiles and furniture. In On Interiors, El-Sayegh talks to Dr Flavia Frigeri of the National Portrait Gallery, and Valerie Cassel Oliver of the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, who is also the curator of the 2023 Spotlight section at Frieze Masters, about the relationship between inner and outer space: the space of the...

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Episode Six: On Space | Rachel Whiteread & Briony Fer show art Episode Six: On Space | Rachel Whiteread & Briony Fer

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The year 1993 marked a watershed for the famous Turner Prize, when it was awarded for the first time to a woman. That artist was Rachel Whiteread and the work was House in East London. In On Space, Whiteread is in conversation with the art historian Briony Fer. Together, they discuss the urges and concerns that underpin Whiteread’s work, from seminal works of the 1990s to her more recent projects, such as the site-specific commission unveiled in the summer of 2023 at Palazzo della Ragione in Bergamo, Italy, which responds to the experience and legacy of the COVID-19 pandemic.  ...

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Episode Five: On Power | Thomas J Price & Dr Gus Casely-Hayford show art Episode Five: On Power | Thomas J Price & Dr Gus Casely-Hayford

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In On Power, London-based multidisciplinary artist Thomas J Price is in conversation with Dr Gus Casely-Hayford, the inaugural Director of V&A East. Together, they reflect on how monuments created for the public realm are not just aesthetic objects but artefacts often bound up in values, ideologies and power systems. Price, in his words, wants to convey ‘the sense of another person’ and has spent the past two decades creating large-scale figurative sculptures of everyday, unidentified Black individuals, often located in public spaces: such as the commission honouring the Windrush...

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Episode Four: On Studios | Arlene Shechet & Sheena Wagstaff show art Episode Four: On Studios | Arlene Shechet & Sheena Wagstaff

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In 2023, Frieze Masters fair sought to break the artist’s studio open to a new audience with a new section, Studio, curated by Sheena Wagstaff – the former Chairman of the Department of Modern and Contemporary Art at the Met and now Met’s Chair Emerita. In On Studios, Wagstaff talks with one of the Studio artists, Arlene Shechet, exploring how central the place and space of making is to her work, as well as its significance in the realm of creativity. 'It’s not a genius move, it’s just hard work. It just means that you know that you want something more, you know that you want...

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Episode Three: On Photography | Tim Walker & Jerry Stafford show art Episode Three: On Photography | Tim Walker & Jerry Stafford

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On Photography asks what it means today for an artist to work with a living, breathing icon, like the actress Tilda Swinton. Tim Walker, the noted artist and photographer, is joined by his long-time collaborator, stylist Jerry Stafford, to talk about their work together with Tilda Swinton. Dr Nicholas Cullinan, Director of the National Portrait Gallery, London, moderates the conversation. 'When I’m scared of something or someone, that scare turns into being photogenic. […] The situation becomes very heightened and I become very alert and I then I think I make better work.' – Tim Walker...

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Frieze Masters presents this conversation with Amy Sherald, Ekow Eshun and Jenni Sorkin in partnership with Hauser & Wirth (@hauserwirth). The panelists discuss Sherald’s practice and the relevance of her work within the canon of historical portraiture. This episode also marks the release of the artist’s first substantial monograph by Hauser & Wirth Publishers, providing a unique insight into her work and studio practice, alongside newly-commissioned texts. 

"When I'm considering my Americanness, and my American story, I think farming and agriculture is essential to that. It's the reason that the US is a superpower. And it's the way that black families were able to sustain themselves. It was legacy, it was the way that we planted our seeds, it was the animals that we raised. It was something that we could not live without. And so to have all of that, taken away, is disappearing, those voices are disappearing."  Amy Sherald 

Amy Sherald (@asherald) documents contemporary African American experience in the United States through arresting, intimate portraits. Ekow Eshun (@ekoweshun) is a British writer, journalist, broadcaster, and curator. Jenni Sorkin (@jennisorkin) is an American art historian, curator and educator who writes on the intersections between gender, material culture, and contemporary art. 

About the Frieze Masters Podcast 

Exploring themes of identity, originality, geopolitics and Blackness through a historical lens, the new Frieze Masters Podcast is now available. Bringing together some of today’s most celebrated artists, art historians and curators, the podcast launches with the Talks programme from the 2022 edition of Frieze Masters – one of the world’s leading art fairs – and offers compelling insight into the influence of historical art on contemporary perspectives and creativity.    

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