EP 41: Featuring John Lee: Help for the Enmeshed Unfaithful Partner Healing from Infidelity and Shame
Release Date: 05/07/2025
EP 67: Guest Michael Webb: When the Betrayed Feels Like They Have to Parent the Unfaithful
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If you're in infidelity recovery, you've probably felt this: the betrayed partner asks for change, the unfaithful partner tries to comply — and somehow it still feels like nothing is working. The betrayed partner wonders if their spouse is just checking a box. The unfaithful partner feels overwhelmed and like nothing they do is ever enough. Both partners end up more frustrated, more distant, and less safe than before. This isn't a character flaw. It's a pattern — and there's a name for it. My great friend and therapist Michael Webb explains it through the lens of Transactional Analysis....
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EP 66: Why Our OWN Healing is So Important After Infidelity
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What if your own healing after infidelity wasn’t just about “getting over it,” but about becoming medicine—for you, for your kids, and for a world full of hurting people? In today's episode, I talk about why your own healing matters, no matter what happens to your marriage. Infidelity can shatter your nervous system, your faith, your sense of self. But it can also become the soil where something deeply rooted and beautiful begins to grow—not because the betrayal was good, but because of what you choose to do with your pain. I explore how faith moves forward in the aftermath of...
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EP 65: Interview with a Betrayed Male Spouse: Healing from Narcissistic Abuse and Doing the Work
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Today you'll meet Bill. It's a rare and powerful look into what it means for a man to walk through hell and choose healing, truth, and self-respect on the other side of infidelity and abuse. As a betrayed male spouse who also grew up under relentless narcissistic abuse, Bill didn’t just survive infidelity and emotional devastation—he confronted it head-on and rebuilt every part of his life from the ground up. The pain and confusion he carried started long before betrayal, in a childhood marked by gaslighting, control, and chronic invalidation that left him feeling defective,...
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EP 64: Adam Nisenson Discusses The Elephant in the Room for Betrayed Men and Women
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Infidelity is often the “elephant in the room” of a relationship—everyone feels its weight, but few know how to name it, let alone heal from it. In this episode of Sam’s Healing Podcast, Sam sits down with Adam Nisenson for a raw, compassionate conversation about what betrayal really does to us and how we can move from silent survival into honest, lasting recovery. Sam and Adam explore the devastation of infidelity for both the betrayed and the unfaithful: trust shattered, identity shaken, and an entire shared story suddenly called into question. Instead of dealing with that pain, many...
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EP 63: Healing is Feeling: Learning How to Feel Again After Infidelity
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Feeling anything after infidelity can feel impossible. As the unfaithful, you may believe you don’t deserve feelings—or that if you let yourself feel, you’ll drown in shame, grief, fear and more compounding failure. As the betrayed, your world has exploded into rage, panic, hypervigilance, and a kind of pain that feels like it will never stop. In today's episode, I'll do my best to slow all of that down and make room for both stories—without excusing harm and without minimizing anyone’s trauma. I'll begin by naming a hard truth many unfaithful partners never say out loud:...
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EP 62: How to Guarantee Personal Transformation In Healing from Infidelity
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If there's one question almost everyone asks after infidelity or betrayal it's this: “Can I or we ever really heal from this devastation?” In todays episode, I share the one real guarantee that exists in recovery—not a gimmick or quick fix, but a way of showing up to your own healing that works whether you were betrayed or you were the one who did the betraying. This is the same approach that helped me rebuild my own life after my own worst failures and has supported countless clients walking through the wreckage of affairs and deception. You can’t control what your partner...
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EP 61 Guest Judith Nisenson Discusses Why Women Also Cheat the Shame of the Unfaithful Female
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Today you'll meet Judith Nisenson, a certified coach and expert in dealing with unfaithful women. She's also Adam Nisenson's wife whom many of you will also know as The Betrayal Shrink who has appeared on the podcast multiple times. Judith Nisenson is the founder of Women’sWRK, a Certified Life Coach (ICF-ACC) and Betrayal Trauma Coach (APSATS-CPC) specializing in helping women who have betrayed their partners. Her work focuses on guiding women to face the truth of their actions, dismantle denial and rationalizations, and step into authentic accountability and transformation....
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EP 60 Dr. Jake Porter "How Can the Betrayed Ever Make Sense Out of Their Partner's Infidelity?"
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How can someone betrayed by infidelity and/or addiction ever begin to make sense of the experience? When your world is turned upside down by something as devastating and disorienting as betrayal, it’s natural to wonder: How do I even process this loss? Where do I turn for answers? How do I make sense of something so nonsensical? In this episode, Dr. Jake Porter—renowned counselor, trauma specialist, educator, and creator of the Couple–Centered Recovery® model—offers practical wisdom and clear, trauma-informed guidance for those seeking to understand both the betrayed and...
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EP 59 with Sharon Rinearson: "I Don't Think I Could Have Been More Disrespected by my Husband..."
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How does the betrayed understand the heinous choices of the unfaithful? "If my unfaithful truly cared about me, how could they make the choices they have made to be unfaithful and go outside the marriage?" How does the betrayed work through the understanding of why the unfaithful had such a flurry of activity for their affair partners, but NOT for the betrayed spouse themselves? How could they and how DID they work so hard for the affair partners but yet so little on the marriage and for their spouses? Sharon Rinearson—an expert therapist with 30+ years of...
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EP 58: "It Was Like a Death to the Life I Had Planned." A Betrayed Guest Shares Her Story
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If you’re a betrayed partner, you know: infidelity can feel like a death. The death of a marriage. The loss of the life you planned. The shattering of what you thought you were living. For those who haven’t faced it, that comparison might sound dramatic—but for survivors, it’s reality. The grief and pain after discovering infidelity or addiction can be overwhelming, and “moving on” can feel impossible. Yet, in today’s episode, you’ll meet Joanie—a client and survivor—who bravely shares her journey for the first time. Joanie’s story is raw, honest, and ultimately hopeful:...
info_outlineToday John Lee joins me to discuss how enmeshment shows up in the life of the unfaithful partner as they wrestle to find freedom from shame and emotional immaturity. You'll find John's humor and straight forward nature to not only be a breath of fresh air, but validating for the betrayed partner and liberating for the unfaithful. We roam free today discussing how safety is an inside job for both partners, while also helping to pinpoint areas the unfaithful can show themselves strong for both their own healing as well as their partner's. While the concept of regression is a cornerstone in healing from infidelity and addiction, John also shares pinpoint insight into how to break free from both destructive and paralyzing patterns that sabotage the entire recovery process.
John Lee, best-selling author of The Flying Boy: Healing the Wounded Man, has written twenty-five books, including his latest release, Odd One Out: Radical Revelations on Relationships, Self-Help, and Personal Growth.
John’s highly innovative work in the fields of emotional intelligence, anger management and emotional regression has made him an in-demand consultant, teacher, trainer, coach and speaker. His contributions in the fields of recovery, relationships, men’s issues, spirituality, parenting and creativity have put him in the national spotlight for over twenty years.
He has been featured on Oprah, 20/20, Barbara Walter’s, The View, CNN, PBS, and NPR. He has been interviewed by Newsweek, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, and dozens of other national and international magazines and radio talk shows.
John Lee has consulted and trained prestigious institutions in the clinical environment including The Betty Ford Clinic, Guy’s Hospital (London, England), The New York Open Center, The Hanley Center (West Palm Beach, FL), South Pacific Hospital (Sydney, Australia), and Mountain Area Health and Education Center (North Carolina), and numerous others.
John’s work in recovery, codependency, and adult children has positioned him as a leader in the field of addiction.
His unique approach to anger management has not only been embraced by the therapeutic community, but by the corporate sector and the general public. His non-traditional approach has been taught worldwide with great success. His Austin and Mentone Intensives have attracted highly-motivated clients who want more one-on-one time than the usual fifty-minute hour can provide.
John’s work with men’s issues has positioned him as one of the leaders and early pioneers of the men’s movement. His Mentone, Alabama Men’s Conference (co-hosted with Robert Bly) ran for 16 years and drew participants from around the world.
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Sam’s Healing Podcast is brought to you by one of infidelity recovery’s most prominent and gifted influencers and YouTuber. For 15 years, Samuel has been online as one of the the leading spokespersons for healing and recovery of both betrayed and unfaithful spouses. After more than a decade of blogging and filming under one of the betrayal trauma’s founding fathers, famed clinician Rick Reynolds of affairrecovery.com, Sam has ventured out to pursue, create and live out his lifelong vision and passion for healing those touched by the trauma of infidelity. Through his new podcast and YouTube channel Samuel will continue to bring his own personal experiences with infidelity recovery along with delivering the most current and up-to-date clinical wisdom and healing modalities for recovery after an affair. Sam will also be expanding into the other critical areas of developing healthy relationships such as emotional and sexual connection, the impact of childhood sexual abuse and dysfunctional patterns of relating on marital intimacy, problematic communication patterns, complex, attachment and intergenerational trauma, compulsive sexual behavior, boundaries and the importance of inner-child healing work. Reach out to contact Samuel for personal coaching sessions at samshealingpodcast@gmail.com.