EP38 Why AI in Healthcare Fails Without Nurses at the Table - Athena Fernandez, Jing Wang, Troy Seagondollar
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
Release Date: 10/18/2025
EP48 - Healthcare Doesn't Have a Staffing Problem: Rethinking Workforce Design - Elizabeth Jeanes
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
What if healthcare's staffing crisis isn't really about staffing at all? In this episode, Elizabeth Jeanes, founder of Jeanes Strategic Consulting and a healthcare leader with more than 20 years of experience in nursing, leadership development, and organizational strategy, challenges one of healthcare's biggest assumptions: that workforce shortages are purely a numbers problem. Instead, Elizabeth makes the case for rethinking workforce design from the ground up, starting with preceptors, frontline influencers, and the leadership systems that shape culture from day one. Her take? The people...
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EP47 - Teaching Doctors in the Age of AI: Trust, Risk, and the Future of Clinical Thinking
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode, we explore how AI is reshaping physician training — and what medical educators must do now to keep pace. Dr. May Lin (Touro University), Dr. Saroj Misra (A.T. Still University), Dr. Renu Agnihotri (A.T. Still University), and Dr. Shivam Vedak (Stanford University) share what's working and what isn't when it comes to preparing residents and medical students to use AI responsibly. From faculty development and inconsistent guidance across clinical sites, to automation bias and the pressure to see more patients faster, the panel examines the hard tradeoffs facing medical...
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EP46 - AMDIS Roundtable - Restoring Clinical Cognition in the AI-Ready EHR
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this AMDIS Roundtable, Dr. Eve Cunningham (Cadence), Dr. Howard Landa (Adventist Health), and Dr. Deepti Pandita (UCI Health) explore what it really means to build an AI-ready EHR. Moving beyond features and vendor roadmaps, they examine how data governance, workflow design, and clinical validation shape the physician’s day — from inbox overload to exam-room disconnect. Together, they discuss shadow AI, cognitive burden, and the hard tradeoffs between optimizing legacy workflows and redesigning care. Their message is clear: the next generation EHR isn’t about adding more technology...
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EP45 - AMDIS Roundtable - Data Governance at the Point of Care
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this AMDIS collaboration, Dr. Mark Pierce (former Parkview Health), Dr. Howard Landa (Adventist Health), and Dr. John Lee (HIT Peak Advisors) examine why data governance is ultimately a patient-care issue, not just an IT function. Drawing on real bedside decisions, EHR transitions, and conflicting metrics, they show how unclear definitions and hidden data create hesitation, workarounds, and loss of clinician trust. Together, they discuss the leadership commitment and investment required to improve data quality, and why clean data is the prerequisite for safe and meaningful AI in healthcare....
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EP44 - Beyond the Pilot: Scaling Ambient Listening at Sutter Health - Dr. Veena Jones and Stephanie Driscoll
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode, we’re joined by two leaders from Sutter Health who are scaling ambient listening across their enterprise: Dr. Veena (Goel) Jones, Chief Medical Informatics Officer, and Stephanie Driscoll, Vice President of Digital Implementation. In 2025 alone, Sutter onboarded more than 3,100 clinicians to ambient listening—moving well beyond pilot programs to true system-wide adoption. Together, they share what it takes to make that scale possible, from EHR integration and workflow redesign to governance, training, and change management. Key Takeaways Ambient listening only scales when...
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EP43 - Cybersecurity as Patient Safety: A 2026 CMIO Playbook - Dr. Christian Dameff, Steven Ramirez, Dr. Sean Kelly
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode we’re joined by Dr. Sean Kelly (Imprivata), Dr. Christian Dameff (UC San Diego Health), and Steven Ramirez (Renown Health) to explore a critical yet often misunderstood frontier: the intersection of cybersecurity and patient safety. Together, we unpack how clinical leaders can prepare for digital outages, ransomware attacks, and the escalating threat landscape—not as isolated IT events, but as high-stakes clinical disruptions. From real-time decision-making to cultural readiness, this conversation is a practical playbook for CMIOs navigating care delivery in an age...
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EP42 - Why RTLS Is Core Infrastructure in Healthcare - Todd Frantz, Ali Youssef, Paul Zieske
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
In this episode we’re joined by Todd Frantz (AdventHealth), Ali Youssef (Henry Ford Health), and Paul Zieske (Why Where Matters) to explore how next-gen real-time location systems are reshaping care delivery. Together, we dive into the evolution from dots-on-a-map asset tracking to intelligent platforms that drive staff safety, streamline workflows, and generate high-fidelity data for AI. From ED duress alerts to ambient analytics and digital wayfinding, this conversation is a roadmap for health leaders rethinking how hospitals move, sense, and respond in real time. Whether you’re...
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EP41 - From Mannequins to Metaverse: The Future of Nursing Simulation - Dr. William Scott Erdley (
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
What if the future of nurse training didn’t just include mannequins—but holograms, AI conversations, and full-on metaverse environments? In this episode of Beyond the Blueprint, we’re joined by Dr. William Scott Erdley, a retired simulation pioneer and former Director of Simulation & Clinical Skills Labs. With decades of experience in nursing education, Dr. Erdley unpacks the evolution of clinical simulation—from standardized patients and mannequin drills to immersive technologies like VR, AI, and even wetware. Together, we explore how simulation builds confidence, strengthens care...
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EP40 - AMDIS Roundtable - Why Hospital Pilots Fail and What It Takes to Actually Scale
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
What happens when pilots become more than experiments? In this AMDIS collaboration, Dr. Eve Cunningham (Cadence, formerly Providence), Kaitlyn Torrence (WellSpan, formerly MUSC), and Dr. Camille Bradley (Baylor Scott & White) reveal what separates failed pilots from scalable innovation. Drawing on real-world deployments of virtual care, ambient listening, and decision support tools, this episode dives deep into the operational, cultural, and clinical realities behind adoption. From rebranding “pilots” to building internal trust, the panel offers a blueprint for moving from spark to...
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EP39 - AMDIS Roundtable - Beyond the digital front door: Empowering Pediatric Families in the Digital Age
Beyond the Blueprint - Health Series
What happens beyond the digital front door? In this AMDIS collaboration, Dr. Yaa Kumah-Crystal, Dr. Natalie Pageler, and Dr. Sarah Rush unpack the complex realities of digital family engagement in pediatric care. From patient portals and teen privacy laws to ambient documentation and AI-enabled translation, this panel explores how hospitals can rebuild trust, reduce barriers, and design systems that truly work for families. Together, they examine cultural readiness, access equity, and why health systems must treat family engagement as both a design challenge and a clinical imperative. Key...
info_outlineIn this episode we explore why so many AI initiatives in healthcare stall—and how nursing leaders can change that. Dr. Jing Wang (FSU Nursing), Athena Fernandez (Penn Medicine), and Troy Seagondollar (formerly Kaiser Permanente) reflect on the current AI landscape and what it takes to make tools truly work for nurses at the bedside. From sepsis prediction models to staffing automation, they share hard-won lessons in AI governance, change management, and clinical trust. Our panel dives into the growing gap between innovation and implementation—and how nurse-led strategies can help close it.
Key Takeaways
- AI projects often fail when nurses are excluded from planning and implementation.
- Augmented intelligence offers more clinical value than full automation.
- Nurse informaticists are essential to bridging IT and frontline workflows.
- Change management begins with bedside relevance, not just executive strategy.
- Sepsis prediction models reveal the risks of misaligned AI tools.
- AI should enhance—not replace—clinical judgment.
- National frameworks can help standardize and scale ethical AI use.
- Transparency and education are key to building trust in AI systems.
- Governance structures must include frontline feedback loops.
- Empowering nurses helps ensure AI improves care, not burdens it.
Episode Highlights
00:00 Welcome & Framing the Episode
01:55 Nursing's Role in AI Adoption
04:16 Lessons from Sepsis Prediction Tools
07:41 When Nurses Are Left Out of the Process
09:13 Hidden Costs: Workflow Disruption and Trust Erosion
11:23 Building a Feedback-Driven Governance Model
13:01 National Nursing + AI Framework
15:52 Bridging Academia and Clinical Reality
20:06 Traits of an AI-Savvy Nurse Leader
21:26 How Nurse Leaders Can Get Started
24:46 Artificial vs. Augmented Intelligence in Practice
28:28 The Tsunami of Tools: Change Management in Action
31:15 Building Clinical Trust in AI
34:22 Final Thoughts & Call to Action
Guests: Aretha Fernandez Jing Wang Troy Seagondollar
Host: Gregg Malkary - Spyglass Consulting Group
Cohost: Keith Washington - Companions in Courage Foundation
Sponsored by: Simplifi Medical & Storage Systems Unlimited
Audio/Video: Tim Jones - Health Nuts Media
Marketing: Josh Troop - Troop-Creative
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