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Our 200th Episode

Are We Here Yet Podcast

Release Date: 10/28/2025

New England Equity Collaborative Transforms Lives One Neighborhood at a Time show art New England Equity Collaborative Transforms Lives One Neighborhood at a Time

Are We Here Yet Podcast

is a realtor who recently donned the hat of a developer and non-profit leader. What makes this remarkable is the model of her new venture, . The NEEC is targeting families across a wide spectrum of backgrounds for co-living in pocket neighborhood developments combining services like art and music therapy with a more affordable and desirable place to live.  Listen in if you are a non-profit leader looking to discover how to refine your model.  Listen in if you are a new urbanist looking for an intentional design to a pocket neighborhood.  Listen in if you care about innovation...

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Hypnotic Boogie: Re-discovering the Hill Country Blues show art Hypnotic Boogie: Re-discovering the Hill Country Blues

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The Hill Country Blues is, in effect for many of us, a form of early american music that is hiding in plain site.  Take one part, fife and folk from the british isles,another part west african polyrhythms.  Mix european balladeering with caribbean hypnotic rhythms.   What begins as drum and fife music deep in the hills of northern Mississippi and Alabama blended with other blues from the region then heavily influenced the likes of Rock legends like Bo Diddley.  We're re-discovering what Hill Country blues is all about.  I'm joined by 2025 Massachusetts beat poet...

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Our 200th Episode show art Our 200th Episode

Are We Here Yet Podcast

Robert Reich wrote on his substack for September 16, One study found that  of Americans expect a second civil war to happen “in the next few years,” even if the specifics vary according to one’s politics and imagination. On the other hand, unlike the Civil War of 1861-1865, no particular issue — like slavery back then — pulls the nation apart. While immigration, crime, abortion, and LGBTQ+ rights are controversial, none of these seem to elicit the anger and passions that might generate civil war. Nor are we enduring an economic calamity, pandemic, world war, or other national...

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A Housers Report from Rural New England show art A Housers Report from Rural New England

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Darren Sherburne is Associate Broker of Four Seasons Sotheby’s Fairlee VT office and an active houser developing a variety of properties in the Upper Valley region of New Hampshire and Vermont. Darren reports on the current housing challenges in his region and gave us plenty to think about regarding how to get more of your housers started, where the funding can come from, what policy measures could improve our situation in Vermont and Northern New England.    You’ll appreciate Darren’s focused intent on successful building, successful housing.  

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For the Small Scale Developer In Your Life show art For the Small Scale Developer In Your Life

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Andrew Overton is a founding member of , where he partners with small developers and communities to make sense of the real estate process. From acquisitions and zoning to community outreach, my daily goal is helping others feel supported—especially those stepping into development for the first time. I’ve spent years coaching new developers, breaking down regulatory hurdles, and building education programs to empower people, because real success comes from informed decision-making that benefits both clients and neighborhoods. Today we’re speaking directly to you, small scale or...

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Getting in the Zone: Make or Break Your Cities Recovery show art Getting in the Zone: Make or Break Your Cities Recovery

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I’m joined this week by Ed Bove, the Planning Director for my hometown of Rutland, Vermont, USA.  A year into his tenure Ed is leading the effort to refine our cities zoning regulations to reflect an effort to build 1000 units of housing in five years.   We discussed the inner workings of the ongoing regs themselves, what changes are needed and why and the vision for what our community desires for results.  We discussed the shortcomings and challenges for building middle market housing in Rutland and solutions for proliferating projects and small-scale developers who...

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Sticking to the Plan  show art Sticking to the Plan

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The city of North Adams, MA is a great locale these days if your passion is transforming downtowns.  The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is slated to fund a complete reversal of urban renewal’s worst mid-century mistakes by eliminating the Route 2 overpass.  There are myriad other improvements in the works, too.  That’s why the folks who care the most about their city reinvigorated the North Adams Partnership, who is brushing off the dust on an otherwise vibrant long-term plan for the city’s next chapter and hired Jenny Wright to lead the effort.   If you are a...

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Build with Purpose: Proptimal’s Lilian Chen show art Build with Purpose: Proptimal’s Lilian Chen

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We’re joined this week by tech founder and Real Estate professional Lilian Chen.  She founded in order to provide foundational knowledge for investors and developers who generally don’t get the attention they deserve from firms focused on established clients. We talked about the inherent challenges in serving smaller clients and on the importance of your underlying analytical processes.  Lilian guides clients to ensure their focused on the right processes based on their clear goals.  Not about right or wrong, good or bad.  But about can you work with the right context...

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Rural  Spotlight: 1Berkshires Ben Lamb show art Rural Spotlight: 1Berkshires Ben Lamb

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I’ve wanted to interview Ben Lamb for a few years now and he did not disappoint.  We spoke on diversifying revenue streams for his organization's regional work and whether the rapid federal funding changes are having an effect.  We also spent considerable time on housing challenges and what it could look like using a growing housing sector to improve the regional economy.   We made an argument against de-populating western MA (in fact,  Berkshire county is re-populating) and we took a close look at the state of the region’s micro markets, some behind 2000 units or...

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Our Debate and Report on the State of Artificial Intelligence show art Our Debate and Report on the State of Artificial Intelligence

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The Innova802 crew sat down to take stock together on where we stand on Artificial Intelligence: Its effect on politics, creativity, industry, labor, culture and the possibility of global destabilization.  Have no fear, rather than simply complaining as to the side effects of an inappropriately deployed plan by the tech sector for AI, we delve into each of our insights on how a beneficial future could be wrought through the use of AI.   This could be a highly informative episode for our listeners coming on the heels of the United State’s WHite House report, Resources...

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Robert Reich wrote on his substack for September 16, One study found that half of Americans expect a second civil war to happen “in the next few years,” even if the specifics vary according to one’s politics and imagination.

On the other hand, unlike the Civil War of 1861-1865, no particular issue — like slavery back then — pulls the nation apart. While immigration, crime, abortion, and LGBTQ+ rights are controversial, none of these seem to elicit the anger and passions that might generate civil war.

Nor are we enduring an economic calamity, pandemic, world war, or other national cataclysm that might force Americans to take sides.

While we are not experiencing a singular polarizing issue like Slavery, and though we can’t point to a singular economic calamity that brought this on, it is in fact  decades of economic factors and now a looming economic disaster that has put us here. 

We’ve managed to create an economy over a half century that excludes, then isolates individuals by limiting access to everything from communications to housing, your home sitting at the apex of human need. Socially we tell the newly minted abandoned economic nomads that it’s their fault.  Our systems and our leaders constantly remind them in a myriad of ways that they don’t have what it takes to ‘make it’. Then we forget these individuals unless or until they commit a mass shooting, or we find them dead of an overdose behind the Walgreens. Maybe just maybe they are thought of by elected officials from time to time when their votes are needed.   

My thoughts on our society have been shaped in part by my experiences as a youngster with poverty.  My young life started stable and solidly middle class then descended, through family circumstance, into the grips of poverty. Don’t get me wrong, I have countless fond memories from my upbringing. Here though, I’d rather for a moment focus on our experiences that represent the other side of growing up in America. Growing up poor in America.

A friend once recounted the quote, ‘the only thing worse than a country full of have-nots is a country full of used-to-haves’. We are a country massed with people who know what they are missing. For decades, some of us were building a society based on creativity, positive energy, robust education…… for some of us while for others,  we’ve built a society where resentment, economic fear, shame for your economic status; we took this underbelly of societal cancer and metastasized it. We’ve turned grief into grievance. We’ve given nearly all the worst in each and every one of us a voice and put it to work in the service of accelerating the downward spiral that enriches an ever smaller number of our neighbors. 

I am the product of the 1980’s.  My life has occurred during the dismantling of the New Deal.  I’m also proud of my family’s immigrant heritage.  I believe in the countless individual stories that make up the story of North America.  That tell us the story of the American Experiment. 

The community in central Massachusetts where I grew up was no stranger to global changes in the economy, albeit being in the northeast meant we were spared the very worst of de-industrialization until well into the early aughts.  

Our family suffered a divorce, not an affliction caused by economics but one that significantly altered the economic trajectory of our little family.  What’s so striking to me to this day, is the dichotomy between those that were always there to help, with those community members who suddenly discovered, to my little mind, that we had committed a grave transgression.  Did they think we’d give them the flu?  Was it something Mom said? Do I have something on my shirt?  You see it when people look just above your head into the distance when you approach.  You begin to understand that some people still have what you once had and they might even be taking it for granted.   People stopped talking to us at church. The farther we got away from affluence, the further folks seemed to get away from us. 

I was learning a seminal point that we don’t like to tell ourselves about ourselves.  For all that Americans can be wonderfully gracious when called upon, there are just as many of us who long ago gave into the desire of self-preservation by blaming others when those others need help. By keeping a distance from the affliction of poverty.  Maybe just maybe by doing so, we won’t get any on us. 

Except the churning economic deprivation knows no boundaries.  Doesn’t stop for anything. 

Denying our systems have been kicking people to the side of the road, while kicking the Spector of debt, failed systems and social ills down the road, has left us in grave peril.

Frank Zappa said, ‘The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater’.

I fear that the show is about to be over. 

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History.  It’s what keeps me getting up every morning. It’s what keeps me trying with all my might to build more housing, to build new companies and to write like this. 

We’ve been here before.  This isn’t our first Gilded Age.  We’ve lived with the presence of Jim Crow and widespread open bigotry and classism; tools used to split the populace to the benefit of the elite. The Klan marched 30K plus in Washington, DC in 1923.  They also tried to march on my very hometown in 1924, immigrants including some family members stopped them in their tracks at the town border. 

People get pissed, it turns out, when they know what they’re missing. 

If you think you can write, then write.  If you can organize, then organize.  Reach out to just one person, commiserate, and grow your group from there. 

There is strength in numbers.  When you see an injustice, you really should call it out.  Remember the Zappa quote?  Demand a refund on your ticket. Demand a free and fair election. Demand a more inclusive economy. 

Participate in solutions.  Create the right, instead of avenging the wrong.  Most importantly, Love one another.