The P.T. Entrepreneur Podcast
Episode Summary In this episode, Doc Danny shares why cash-based physical therapy entrepreneurship is entering a powerful new phase. From his upcoming presentations at CSM to the broader evolution of the profession, Danny breaks down how business models have changed, why scalability is now real, and what this means for clinicians who want more autonomy, impact, and long-term opportunity. In This Episode, You’ll Learn Why distraction during documentation hurts rapport and outcomes, and how AI scribes can fix it What Doc Danny is presenting at CSM and why cash-based models are gaining...
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Episode Summary In this episode, Doc Danny shares a conversation between Rainmaker coach Jaxie Meth and Mastermind member Holly Navarro. Holly walks through how she built a cash-based practice in a narrow niche (dance medicine), found her first treatment space, grew through community workshops, and scaled into hiring and a standalone clinic location. Try Claire (AI Scribe for PTs) Want to save your clinicians hours every week and increase capacity without burning them out? . What You’ll Learn How Holly built a real practice around a “small” niche and why narrow can scale What it...
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Episode Summary Cash-based clinics live and die by clear communication, confidence, and value. In this episode, Doc Danny breaks down four red flags that your staff clinician has a money mindset problem and how it quietly crushes conversions, plan-of-care adherence, retention, and clinic revenue. In This Episode, You’ll Learn Why money mindset issues are common in healthcare and how they show up in cash-based care How staff clinicians unknowingly make affordability decisions for patients The damage caused by apologizing for pricing and losing authority Why downgrading plans without...
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The $250,000 Asset Sitting in Your Clinic Right Now Most clinic owners work nonstop to bring in new patients while completely ignoring the most valuable asset they already have. Their past patients. In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Danny explains how past clients can quietly represent hundreds of thousands of dollars in recurring revenue and why most clinics never tap into it. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why recurring revenue is the most valuable dollar in your clinic How past patients can generate predictable, stable income The math behind a $250,000 recurring revenue...
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How Big Clinical Months Can Quietly Wreck Your Cash Flow Big months feel like a win. More patients, more prepaid packages, more cash hitting the account. But if you do not understand how to manage that cash, those same big months can put you in a financial bind later in the year. In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Danny breaks down why prepaid revenue creates false confidence, how owners accidentally drain their reserves, and the simple rule that keeps your clinic financially stable. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why prepaid services are not the same thing as earned revenue...
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The 80/20 Principle of Running a Cash-Based PT Clinic In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Dr. Danny Matta breaks down the 80/20 principle for cash-based clinic owners and simplifies what you should track if you want to grow past yourself. Instead of obsessing over dozens of metrics, Danny argues there are three “dollar productive” KPIs that drive almost all clinic growth. He also explains why provider schedules either snowball fast or stall for a year and how to shorten that ramp from 12+ months to around six months with the right focus. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: How...
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Longevity, Cash PT, and Skating Where the Puck Is Going In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Doc Danny talks about why he keeps coming back to one big theme: longevity. He looks at how the market around proactive health, functional medicine, and long-term performance is exploding and why cash-based clinics are perfectly positioned to play a major role. If you want to move beyond “fix the injury and discharge” and build an ongoing longevity offer, this episode lays out the opportunity and the mindset behind it. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why patient experience is a...
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The One Thing Filter: How to Make Better Decisions as Your Clinic Grows In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Doc Danny shares a simple but powerful idea for clinic owners: pick one core outcome your business exists to create and use it as a filter for every major decision. As your team grows, choices get more complex — what to say yes to, what to ignore, who to hire, what projects to start. Danny breaks down how to choose your “one thing,” why money has to be part of it, and how aligning your team around that filter makes leadership easier and your business more stable. In...
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What To Do With a Frustrating Employee In Your Clinic In this episode, Doc Danny breaks down one of the hardest parts of owning a clinic: dealing with a talented but frustrating employee. You know the type. Great with patients, solid outcomes, but sloppy with systems, notes, and follow through. Danny walks through the three real options you have, why “letting it slide” destroys culture, and how to use a performance improvement plan to either turn things around or coach someone out. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: The classic pattern of the friendly, high-output clinician who struggles...
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How to Turn Patients into Raving Fans (and Referral Machines) In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Doc Danny breaks down why most clinics are stuck in “purgatory” with word of mouth and what separates average clinics from the ones patients can’t stop talking about. Using a great chicken joint and a mediocre Italian restaurant as examples, he shows you how clients really think about your business and what has to change if you want more organic referrals in 2026. In This Episode, You’ll Learn: Why saving clinician time with an AI scribe like Claire can quietly add $30,000 in...
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In this episode of the PT Entrepreneur Podcast, Dr. Danny Matta breaks down the 80/20 principle for cash-based clinic owners and simplifies what you should track if you want to grow past yourself. Instead of obsessing over dozens of metrics, Danny argues there are three “dollar productive” KPIs that drive almost all clinic growth. He also explains why provider schedules either snowball fast or stall for a year and how to shorten that ramp from 12+ months to around six months with the right focus.
In This Episode, You’ll Learn:
- How Claire can save staff clinicians hours each week and translate that time into meaningful revenue
- What the 80/20 principle means inside a cash-based clinic
- The concept of “dollar productive activities” and why it matters
- The three KPIs Danny thinks drive the majority of clinic growth
- Why the owner should usually handle discovery calls during growth phases
- Benchmarks for conversion rates at different stages of scale
- Why recurring services are the “sneaky” variable that stabilizes schedules
- How to get a new provider productive faster so clinic growth compounds
Claire: Turn Saved Time Into Revenue Without Burning Out Your Team
Danny opens with a simple math breakdown clinic owners can understand quickly.
Time is valuable, for you and for your staff clinicians. PT Biz has found that Claire, their AI scribe, saves staff clinicians about six hours per week on average.
Even if you only reclaim half of that time and convert it into patient care, that is roughly three additional one-hour visits per week per clinician.
Example Danny gives:
- 3 extra visits per week
- $200 average visit rate
- $600 more per week per clinician
- Roughly $30,000 per year in additional revenue per clinician
The point is not to overload your team. The point is to use technology to remove the documentation burden so you can increase capacity without increasing burnout.
Try Claire free for 7 days: https://meetclaire.ai
The 80/20 Principle in a Cash Practice
The 80/20 principle is the idea that 20% of your actions lead to 80% of your results. Danny applies this directly to clinic growth.
When your clinic is small, it is easy to get busy doing “everything” and tracking a long list of numbers. The problem is most of those activities do not move the business.
Instead, Danny recommends narrowing your focus to the most “dollar productive” activities. In other words, the actions and metrics that actually drive revenue and schedule utilization.
The Goal: Get a Provider Productive Fast
Danny frames the big objective clearly.
You want to get your own schedule full enough to hire someone. Then you want any provider you hire to get productive as fast as possible.
In PT Biz’s world, once a provider reaches roughly 80 to 90 visits per month, it tends to snowball into 100+ pretty quickly. But getting to that point can take some clinics over a year.
If you can shorten that ramp to six months, your growth compounds. In a year, you might be able to hire two people instead of one, because each provider becomes profitable faster.
The Three Dollar-Productive KPIs
Danny says there are three key metrics that drive the majority of growth in a cash-based clinic. Each one represents a drop-off point that can either accelerate growth or quietly crush it.
1) New Patient Volume and Discovery Call Conversion
Many owners only track “how many evals we have.” Danny says you need to go one step back and track conversion from lead to evaluation.
There is often a major drop-off between someone becoming a lead and actually booking an evaluation. This is usually happening on discovery calls.
Benchmarks Danny shares:
- During growth, aim for 8 to 10 new patients per provider per month
- Once stable, new patient volume can drop closer to 5 per month
- Discovery call to eval conversion should be 70%+
He also makes a strong recommendation: during growth phases, the owner should handle discovery calls.
Why? In many clinics, admins convert around 45% to 50%. Owners often convert 80% to 90% because they carry authority and can handle objections better.
Danny gives an example:
- 20 discovery calls at 50% conversion = 10 evals
- 20 discovery calls at 80% conversion = 16 evals
That gap can be the difference between a provider staying empty and a provider getting busy quickly.
He also points out that owners sometimes resist this because it feels like a step backward, but the time requirement is smaller than most people assume. If you have 20 calls at 20 minutes each, that is under 10 hours per month and it can dramatically impact growth.
2) Evaluation to Plan of Care Conversion
The second KPI is how many evaluations convert into a plan of care.
When people do not commit to a plan of care, Danny says many still come back a few times, often around three visits, until symptoms improve and then they disappear. That creates unpredictable revenue and inconsistent schedules.
Plan-of-care conversion makes volume and revenue more predictable.
Benchmarks Danny shares:
- Owner: 70% conversion from eval to plan of care
- Staff providers: 60% conversion is a strong benchmark at scale
He emphasizes that this requires quality control and training. Staff clinicians need to be comfortable with diagnosis, prognosis, and presenting a clear plan. Otherwise close rates drift and schedules stall.
3) Recurring Services After Plan of Care
Danny calls this the sneaky variable that people forget, but it can make the biggest difference in schedule stability.
Hiring a clinician is usually a net negative for the business at first. You are paying salary, taxes, and benefits while they are still ramping up.
What stabilizes and compounds a provider schedule is recurring volume. The goal is that roughly 40% of plan-of-care patients transition into some type of recurring service after discharge.
Why this matters:
- Recurring visits fill a predictable chunk of the schedule
- New patient volume no longer has to carry the whole load
- Providers get to work with people they enjoy long term
- It is mentally easier than constant evaluations
Danny also explains why this is often hard for staff clinicians.
- They may feel uncomfortable “selling” ongoing support because they never did it in insurance clinics
- They may not know what to do clinically once a plan of care ends
So this requires two things: education on the clinical delivery of recurring services and training on how to present it confidently.
Put It Together: How to Grow Faster Without Tracking Everything
Danny’s bigger point is that clinic owners often get lost in too many tasks and too many numbers.
If you simplify down to these three KPIs and train your team around them, your odds of building provider schedules faster go up dramatically:
- Discovery call conversion (lead to eval)
- Eval to plan-of-care conversion
- Plan-of-care to recurring conversion
When those are strong, growth compounds. You hire faster, providers get productive faster, and you get to choose what you want the clinic to become instead of being stuck trying to “just get busy.”
Resources Mentioned
- Try Claire free for 7 days: https://meetclaire.ai
- Talk with a PT Biz advisor: https://vip.physicaltherapybiz.com/discovery-call
- Join the free Part Time to Full Time 5-Day Challenge: https://physicaltherapybiz.com/challenge