Episode 39 | Living Rooms are for LIVING
Hey White Women
In this episode, Daniella and Rebecca unpack what happens when white belief in institutional fairness collides with the lived reality of systemic injustice. Daniella reflects on a moment of betrayal in traffic court and how it cracked open her assumptions about justice, privilege, and whiteness. The conversation weaves through topics like the myth of rule-following as protection, the military's blending of cultural vernaculars, and the unique disorientation white women face when systems stop working for them. They also explore how white women’s fear of “doing it wrong”—especially...
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Episode 38 | Growth Is Uncomfortable
Hey White Women
In this powerful conversation, Daniella Mestyanek Young and Rebecca unpack how systems—from the military to corporate culture to parenting ideologies—often rely on cult-like tactics to demand obedience, erase individuality, and sell comfort as a virtue. Together, they examine the roles of love bombing, future faking, and authoritarian control in everyday life, and ask what it means to reclaim personal autonomy after indoctrination. We talk about what happens when you stop waiting for permission, why “just doing what you're told” is a dangerous lesson to teach children, and how...
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Episode 37 | Are Red-Heads Black?
Hey White Women
In this episode of Hey White Women, Daniella Mestyanek Young and Rebecca dive into the layered and surprising discourse around a viral TikTok trend that claimed “all redheads are Black.” What starts as a joke becomes a powerful lens for unpacking themes of othering, cultural belonging, and the danger of conformity in white-dominant spaces. The hosts explore how redheaded individuals are often dehumanized through humor, hypersexualization, and alienation—even as whiteness shields them from systemic racism. This conversation becomes a springboard into deeper critiques of whiteness,...
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Episode 36 | Growth Before Activism
Hey White Women
In this episode, Daniella and Rebecca engage in a deep conversation about the complexities of white supremacy, the importance of listening to Black voices, and the need for white women to confront their own roles in social justice movements. They explore hypothetical scenarios regarding protests, the significance of community, and the dangers of ignoring the perspectives of marginalized groups. The discussion emphasizes the necessity of personal growth and genuine engagement in anti-racism work, while also addressing the cyclical nature of blame and the illusion of safety in activism. ...
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Episode 35 | Colors for Community
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella explore the intersections of fashion, identity, and race, discussing how personal expression through clothing can challenge societal norms. They delve into the complexities of navigating whiteness in diverse spaces, the cultural disconnect evident in social interactions, and the significance of color as a form of resistance. The discussion also touches on the importance of critiquing whiteness, understanding cult dynamics through the Byte model, and the value of personal narratives in shaping identity. They emphasize the role of community in fostering...
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Episode 34 | Boom Boom Beige
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of platform building, the evolution of ideas, and the impact of cultural narratives on personal identity. They discuss the importance of vulnerability in leadership, the tenets of white supremacy, and the challenges of navigating capitalism and professionalism. The dialogue emphasizes the significance of shared experiences and the need to reopen historical conversations while addressing the dehumanization inherent in capitalist systems. In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella explore the intersections of capitalism,...
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Episode 33 | Protest or Parade?
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of race, activism, and the impact of online criticism, particularly on black women. They discuss the intersection of political identity and extremism, the role of white women in social movements, and the importance of listening to marginalized voices. The conversation delves into the dynamics of whiteness in society, the power of storytelling, and the journey of self-discovery in the context of anti-racism. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for community support and the role of women in driving social change. In this...
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Episode 32 | "Lickies and Chewies?"
Hey White Women
This conversation delves into the complexities of race, privilege, and activism, particularly focusing on the experiences of black women and the reactions of white women in the context of social justice. The speakers discuss the historical and current realities of systemic oppression, the implications of language, and the importance of listening and learning from marginalized voices. They also explore the nature of groupthink, the illusion of safety, and the responsibilities of individuals in activism. In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of group dynamics, the...
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Episode 31 | Defensiveness and White Identity
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella explore the complexities of race, identity, and the dynamics of power within societal structures. They discuss the defensiveness often exhibited by white women in conversations about race, the impact of language, and the role of white women in perpetuating systems of oppression. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of acknowledgment, healing, and the responsibility that comes with privilege. They also touch on the significance of community and the need for open, honest discussions about race and identity. In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella...
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Episode 30 | Speaking equitably with confidence
Hey White Women
In this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca delve into the complexities of cult dynamics, particularly focusing on the Nation of Islam. They explore personal experiences with cults, the intersection of race and cults, and the societal responses to these groups. The discussion highlights the role of white women in these conversations, the importance of listening and learning from diverse experiences, and the manipulative tactics employed by cults. The speakers emphasize that conflict can be a necessary part of understanding and navigating these topics, and they advocate for a more nuanced...
info_outlineIn this conversation, Daniella and Rebecca explore the complexities of race, activism, and the impact of online criticism, particularly on black women. They discuss the intersection of political identity and extremism, the role of white women in social movements, and the importance of listening to marginalized voices. The conversation delves into the dynamics of whiteness in society, the power of storytelling, and the journey of self-discovery in the context of anti-racism. Ultimately, they emphasize the need for community support and the role of women in driving social change. In this conversation, Rebecca and Daniella explore the complexities of activism, particularly in the context of protests and the role of white individuals in social justice movements. They discuss the psychological aspects of whiteness, the importance of community, and the need for genuine engagement in activism. The conversation also touches on cultural appropriation, historical narratives, and the fragility of identity within the context of race and activism.
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Takeaways
- Daniella discusses her experience with online backlash after discussing political extremism.
- The conversation highlights the intersection of race and activism, particularly the role of white women.
- Criticism of protests and their effectiveness in driving real change is explored.
- The importance of listening to black women and their experiences is emphasized throughout the discussion.
- Daniella reflects on her journey of self-discovery and the impact of her past on her current views.
- The dynamics of whiteness in society and its implications for activism are examined.
- The role of storytelling in understanding oppression and the experiences of marginalized groups is discussed.
- The conversation touches on the complexities of navigating discussions about race and identity.
- Daniella and Rebecca explore the importance of community and support in activism.
- The conversation concludes with reflections on the role of women in social movements and the need for inclusivity. You have to get comfortable that you'll survive.
Chapters
00:00 The Incident
06:51 The Impact of Social Media on Black Voices
12:54 Historical Context and Collective Action
18:51 The Intersection of Race and Gender in Activism
28:34 Understanding the Patriarchy and Its Impact
32:02 White Women's Responsibility in Anti-Racism
33:33 Listening to Black Women
35:06 The Importance of Community and Support
36:32 The Power Dynamics in Conversations
38:31 The Role of Storytelling in Activism
40:07 Consequences of Activism and Engagement
42:36 Cultural Narratives and Identity
44:24 The Journey of Understanding Whiteness
46:38 Deconstructing Cults and Power Structures
52:20 Protests and Their Impact
55:52 Existential Threats and Social Change
01:00:59 The Role of White Women in Activism
01:04:29 Cultural Appropriation and Identity
01:08:28 Authority and Knowledge in Conversations
01:12:16 The Complexity of Whiteness and Cult Dynamics
01:18:19 The Complexity of Perspective
01:20:22 Emotional Responses and Truth
01:22:03 Protests: Motivations and Misunderstandings
01:24:14 Bravery and the Call to Action
01:26:45 The Impact of Media on Perception
01:28:47 Systemic Issues and the Role of White People
01:30:47 Identity and the Experience of Whiteness
01:32:09 The Intersection of Race and Personal Experience
01:34:29 Healing and Moving Forward
01:36:38 The Fragility of Whiteness
01:38:52 Cultural Narratives and Their Impact
01:40:47 Understanding the Bigger Picture
Produced by Haley Phillips