How The Western Church Has Been Shaped to Resist Justice (And What We Can Do About it) with Joash P. Thomas
Release Date: 12/03/2025
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Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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How The Western Church Has Been Shaped to Resist Justice (And What We Can Do About it) with Joash P. Thomas
Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
Justice - when you hear that word what do you think of? The word carries some baggage in the church today and has become highly politicized. Too much justice talk and you can be dismissed as Marxist, woke, or a proponent of the “unbiblical” social justice gospel. But if you can remove yourself from cultural baggage, read the Bible with fresh eyes, and look at the life of Jesus, you see justice everywhere. Justice was central to the life and mission of Jesus. And it should be to his followers as well. One of the best books I’ve read on the topic is a new book by Joash Thomas called ....
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Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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The Truth About the American Church's Complicity in Racism (And Where We Go From Here)
Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
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Church Styles, Worship Styles, & Multi-Generational Setlists with Lizzie Morgan
Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast
Today’s conversation is returning to our roots at BSW - talking with a worship leader about worship. We’ve been talking to academics and historians - which we will continue to do - but sometimes it feels good to throw it back and have a good ole worship leader conversation. Lizzie Morgan is a gifted young worship leader who grew up in the church and has been singing her whole life. She auditioned for Lauren Daigle, sang with Lauren, and has since been a part of tours with Maverick City, Red Worship, and various other groups. I loved this conversation because of where it went. If you know...
info_outlineJustice - when you hear that word what do you think of? The word carries some baggage in the church today and has become highly politicized. Too much justice talk and you can be dismissed as Marxist, woke, or a proponent of the “unbiblical” social justice gospel. But if you can remove yourself from cultural baggage, read the Bible with fresh eyes, and look at the life of Jesus, you see justice everywhere. Justice was central to the life and mission of Jesus. And it should be to his followers as well.
One of the best books I’ve read on the topic is a new book by Joash Thomas called The Justice of Jesus: Reimagining Your Church’s Life Together to Pursue Liberation And Wholeness.
Talking about justice shouldn’t cause us to draw tighter partisan political lines. It should cause us - as Joash says - to be politically agnostic, except on behalf of our marginalized neighbors.
This is an eye-opening conversation. He talk about how colonization has shaped the Western church to resist justice. Why we need more teaching on justice and not less. Why it’s important to diversity our theological influences. And some practical ways any local church can pursue justice.
Joash is a kind soul with a deep understanding of justice and Christianity in the global south and what we can learn in the west…from followers of Jesus all over the world.
Topics Covered:
- How "wokeism" and "Marxism" have become deflective tactics to keep us from facing the truth
- Why the Evangelical Church needs more teaching on justice
- How colonization and colonialism has shaped us to resist justice
- Why it's good for our formation to diversify our theological influences
- Why Christians should be politically agnostic
- Practical ways the church today can pursue justice
Resources Mentioned:
- Show Sponsor: Planning Center
- The Justice of Jesus: Reimagining Your Church's Life Together To Pursue Liberation And Wholeness by Joash Thomas
- Joash Thomas website
- Joash Thomas instagram
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