Beyond Sunday Worship Leader Podcast

Beyond Sunday Worship Leader podcast with David Santistevan

Nathan Apffel & Chris Ayoub on The Religion Business 02/19/2025

Rich Villodas on Charismatic vs Contemplative Tensions, Church Growth, & The Narrow Path of Jesus 02/12/2025

Nikki Lerner on Life After Full Time Ministry, Worship Culture Conundrums, & Fostering Multicultural Churches 02/05/2025

Nikki Lerner on Life After Full Time Ministry, Worship Culture Conundrums, & Fostering Multicultural Churches "We've made the list of everything that could go wrong. It's time to make the list of everything that could go right." - Nikki Lerner Topics Covered: What it's like to leave full time ministry after 20+ years The challenge of doing ministry when you're paid to do it full time The importance of creative outlets outside of the church What to do when you're bored with worship music Nikki's philosophy of worship How to become a multicultural church The difference between multi colored and multicultural Mono-ethnocentricism and the worship industry Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/35162310

Malcolm DuPlessis on Racial Tension, Injustice, & The Commercialization of Worship 01/27/2025

Mike O'Brien on Worship Artist/Leader Tensions, Local Church Ministry, & The Gift of Obscurity 01/15/2025

Tommy Preson Phillips on Why People Are Leaving The Church To Look For Christ 01/02/2025

Kelsey Kramer McGinnis On Music, Money, & Profits in the Worship Industry (And What That Means For the Rest of Us) 12/20/2024

Kelsey Kramer McGinnis On Music, Money, & Profits in the Worship Industry (And What That Means For the Rest of Us) Kelsey is a brilliant thinker. She is a musicologist and educator based in Iowa, holding a PhD from the University of Iowa. Currently, Kelsey is a regular contributor to Christianity Today, writing and reporting on worship and church culture. She is also an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines, where she teaches on music and social justice. As as a graduate student and adjunct faculty member at the University of Iowa, she taught a variety of courses on music history, social justice and the arts, and human rights. She served on the staff of the from 2010-2019, where she was the academic advisor for undergraduate students pursuing a Certificate in Human Rights. Kelsey's dissertation research explored the use of American music in the reeducation of German POWs during WWII. Other areas of expertise include contemporary sacred music in the United States, 19th century choral music, Evangelical subcultures, human rights and the arts, and the intersection of art and ecotheology. She is an active presenter at academic conferences and accepts invitations for guest lectures and workshops on her research and on human rights education in higher ed. Topics Covered: More about Kelsey and her journey into musicology and journalism Our over-dependence on tools in worship ministry Why having conversations with our congregation is important Why we think all worship music sounds the same The complications of Christian celebrity and worship music Facing the music of money and profits in the worship industry Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Topics Covered: The changes in Christian music from the 90s to now The worship music boom of the early 2000s and The story behind Third Day’s Offering worship record in 2000 Why leading worship in a local church is harder than leading a worship concert The importance of self care for artists and worship leaders What the transition from band to solo artist has been like for Mac Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: by Mac Powell Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/34550205

Mac Powell on CCM Through the Years, Worship Music, & Personal Soul Care 12/12/2024

Aodhan King on Early Young & Free Days, New Music, & Christ Centered Worship 11/29/2024

Martin Smith on The Future of Worship Music, Local Church, & Songs of Joy 11/12/2024

Sam McCabe on The Worship Industry, Finding Your Own Voice, & Our Worship Song Diet 11/06/2024

Andrew Holt on The Belonging Co, Leading a Worship Ministry, & Encounter Over Entertainment 10/29/2024

Elias Dummer on Humanizing The Conversation Around Worship Leading, Anointing, & The Worship Industry 10/21/2024

Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art 10/02/2024

Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art Topics Covered: Charlie's theological journey Being an autodidact (self learner) and what they meant for Charlie's career The genetics of music and what Charlie learned from the musicianship of his Father The magic of songwriting Why writer's block is a myth Why the worship industry carries potential for problems The potential problem with celebrity worship leaders Why we should stop evaluating success by "what's working." How Charlie discovered Switchfoot and his favorite song he produced (48:00) Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: by Charlie Peacock by Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/33297982

Andy Squyres on Writing, Celebrity Worship, & The Idol of Excellence 09/25/2024

#331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies 09/12/2024

#331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies Topics Covered: How our union with Christ affects Sunday worship The rise of liturgy and what it means for churches Reflections on writing Worship Matters (16 years ago!) Creating a technical grid for our Sunday production Top competencies/qualities of an effective Worship Pastor Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Sovereign Grace Music by J.I. Packer by David Peterson by DA Carson by Harold Best Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/33021202

Mike Donehey on God's Will vs God's Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North 09/02/2024

Mike Donehey on God's Will vs God's Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North Topics Covered: What God's will is for you The difference between the will of God and the call of God How to discern the call of God on your life How do deal with fame The problem with altar calls Why the term "Worship Leader" is inadequate Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32868212

Alexandra Osteen on Lakewood Music, Worship at Lakewood Church, & Leading Teams 08/27/2024

Alexandra Osteen on Lakewood Music, Worship at Lakewood Church, & Leading Teams Topics Covered: How Alexandra got started in worship ministry What it's like being the daughter of Joel Osteen How Lakewood approaches Sunday morning Why Lakewood uses a hymn every Sunday Stories behind the new album, Oh How Worthy Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Lakewood Music Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32761717

#328: Kory Miller on Pursuing His Presence, Leading Spontaneous Worship, & God Centered Gatherings 08/20/2024

#328: Kory Miller on Pursuing His Presence, Leading Spontaneous Worship, & God Centered Gatherings Topics Covered: LOTR fandom What needs to change in local church worship Dealing with disappointment Hebrew words for praise What it takes to be a strong MD The value of spontaneous worship and how to read the room Resources Mentioned Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Kory Miller Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32662162

#327: Dr. Constance Cherry on Worship Ministry Over the Decades, The Worship Architect, & A Call to Christ-Centered Worship 08/12/2024

#327: Dr. Constance Cherry on Worship Ministry Over the Decades, The Worship Architect, & A Call to Christ-Centered Worship Topics Covered: Dr. Cherry's call into ministry Full time worship ministry in the 70s and 80s The us vs them/either/or mentality of worship ministry still prevalent A call to return to Christ centered worship The story behind the book The Worship Architect Resources Mentioned: by Constance Cherry by James Torrance by Nicholas Wolterstorff by Robert Webber Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32546772

#326: W. David O. Taylor on Theology for Worship Leaders, Emotional Health, & Worship as Discipleship 08/06/2024

#326: W. David O. Taylor on Theology for Worship Leaders, Emotional Health, & Worship as Discipleship Topics Covered: Emotional health in ministry David's journey into ministry The importance of theology for worship leaders Worship as discipleship The role of our physical bodies in worship Trinitarian worship Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by W. David O. Taylor by W. David O. Taylor by W. David O. Taylor by Zac Hicks by Lester Ruth by John Witvliet by John Witvliet Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32456782

#325: Sean Curran on Worship Music, Christian Celebrity Culture, & Creativity 07/29/2024

#325: Sean Curran on Worship Music, Christian Celebrity Culture, & Creativity Topics Covered: The creative genius of the movie Hook Sean's secret claim to fame (he was a professional yo-yo'er) Creativity and worship music Why millennials are fleeing hyped church experiences Anointing vs charisma Basic Faith Stories beyond Sean's upcoming new record Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Sean Curran Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32331962

#324: David Ryan Cook on Raising Up Young Worship Leaders, Presence Driven Worship, & New Music 07/22/2024

#324: David Ryan Cook on Raising Up Young Worship Leaders, Presence Driven Worship, & New Music Topics Covered: Thoughts about what God is doing in worship today What God is doing in this next generation of worship leaders How to prepare yourself and your team to lead engaging worship Why it's important to be unified with your senior pastor Breaking down the SEU worship record Why cool, trendy worship music isn't working anymore Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by SEU Worship by David Ryan Cook Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32240837

#323: Rich & Cass Langton on Building Healthy Teams, Creativity in the Church, & Leading Artists 07/17/2024

#323: Rich & Cass Langton on Building Healthy Teams, Creativity in the Church, & Leading Artists Topics Covered: Rich & Cass's current interests outside of ministry How they got started in ministry A vision for creativity in the Church How to work with artists effectively Why the artist/creative temperament isn't accurate Songwriting pitfalls in the church Why we need to stop idolizing songwriters Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32177637

Charlie Hall on Developing Young Leaders, Leading Authentic Worship, & Building a Balanced Worship Set 07/08/2024

Charlie Hall on Developing Young Leaders, Leading Authentic Worship, & Building a Balanced Worship Set Topics Covered: Charlie's transition from artist to worship pastor Early Passion days Leading worship when you don't feel worthy The 4 categories of worship What prophetic worship is The 4 Types of Song to sing on Sunday Reminiscing old Passion and Charlie Hall records Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Passion by Passion by Passion by Passion by Charlie Hall by Charlie Hall Podcast: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32045662

Brian Doerksen on The Creative Process, Local Church Songwriting, & Early Vineyard Music Stories 07/01/2024

Brian Doerksen on The Creative Process, Local Church Songwriting, & Early Vineyard Music Stories This week's podcast is with Vineyard Music legend and worship music pioneer, Brian Doerksen. Brian has written so many beloved songs like Come Now is the Time to Worship, Refiners Fire, Faithful One, Light the Fire Again, and so many others. Topics Covered: Brian's upcoming new project of love songs Consistency in songwriting Growing in creativity later in life Reflecting on the 90s Vineyard movement How to lead young creatives Developing songwriters Why local churches should write their own songs Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Brian Doerksen by Brian Doerksen Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/31966132

Kim Walker-Smith on The Worship Industry, Our Inner Life, & Protecting Our Kid's Innocence 06/24/2024

Kim Walker-Smith on The Worship Industry, Our Inner Life, & Protecting Our Kid's Innocence Topics Covered: Kim's journey to become a worship leader The truth about calling Why our internal world needs to be cultivated Influential leaders The story behind the song, "Mama" Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Kim Walker Smith Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/31863097

Skye Reedy on Difficult Seasons, The Healing Power of God, & New Music 06/17/2024

Skye Reedy on Difficult Seasons, The Healing Power of God, & New Music Topics Covered: How Skye got involved with music Early influences Dealing with pain and disappointment What Skye learned about worship from Michael W Smith How to develop authenticity as a worship leader The power of mentorship Growing in confidence Skye's new music Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Skye Reedy Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/31778117

Jon Guerra on Devotional Songwriting, Sunday & Monday Worship, & Spiritual Formation 06/09/2024

Jon Guerra on Devotional Songwriting, Sunday & Monday Worship, & Spiritual Formation Topics Covered: How Jon got started as a songwriter The difference between a gesture and a posture in songwriting Monday morning prayer music Why our Sunday morning worship needs to tell a more honest story Comparing the writing of hymns and modern songs Devotional Songwriting Masterclass Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Jon Guerra Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/31667337

Crowder on New Music, Writing Hacks, & Song Stories 06/02/2024

Crowder on New Music, Writing Hacks, & Song Stories Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Crowder Topics Covered: A day in the life of Crowder The surprising power of mundane moments Using song titles as a springboard for songwriting The Crowder album trilogies CCM and Worship Music categories The corporate nature of vertical and horizontal songs The story behind writing O Praise Him /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/31569107

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