Beyond Sunday Worship Podcast

A podcast for worship leaders, pastors, and those invested in a healthier, whole church.

Christianity in Chaos? How We Can Find Our Way in an Age of Confusion & Corruption with Glenn Packiam 06/04/2025

Two White Guys Talking About The Black Church, Black Music, & Black Liberation (An Interview with David Gate) 05/28/2025

Two White Guys Talking About The Black Church, Black Music, & Black Liberation (An Interview with David Gate) Today’s topic and subject matter is a tough one. I’m talking with my friend David Gate. David is a writer and poet. He has a new book releasing in 2025 called A Rebellion of Care. But David also has a long history as a worship leader, songwriter, and artist. David wrote an article recently in response to the new Ryan Coogler move Sinners, starring Michael B Jordan. The title of that article was I know. It’s a bold, often cutting article. And while I don’t agree with everything he says, I believe he gets to the heart of a tension that many feel. As with most of American culture throughout history, we have not given due credit to the black church. To black music. Black innovation. We have borrowed (or as David would say - stolen) from black culture and profited wildly off of its innovation and yet have not cared about black liberation in the white charismatic church. Which is the heart of what this conversation is about. Topics Covered: A breakdown of the movie "Sinners" The theft of black music and culture The beauty and story of the Black Church Performance in Black vs White contexts Becoming aware the causes of black liberation The influence of the blues on white rock & roll Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: by David Gate (preorder) Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36759380

The Separation of Church and Concert with Andy Cherry 05/22/2025

The Separation of Church and Concert with Andy Cherry Today’s conversation is with my friend Andy Cherry. Andy is a Worship Leader, former Worship Pastor, Songwriter with Capitol CMG, and touring bandmate with Brandon Lake. Andy is mega talented and a thoughtful voice on the tensions of worship and industry. As a professional songwriter, he’s someone whose livelihood is connected to the worship industry. We have a great chat about excellence culture in the church. Has it gone too far? Why it’s uncomfortable to combine the words “worship” and “industry”. Why we need to expand the kinds of leaders we hire into Worship Pastor roles. At the heart of it all is a love for Jesus, a passion for His presence, and a desire to serve the people of God through honest art and biblical faithfulness. Topics Covered: Early influential records The problem with our performance culture in church Separating concert from church Why we need to write about more topics Andy's songwriting & creative process Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36669910

Christian Nationalism and Worship: Faith, Politics, & Identity with Dr. Lester Ruth 05/14/2025

Christian Nationalism and Worship: Faith, Politics, & Identity with Dr. Lester Ruth Today’s conversation is with Dr. Lester Ruth, a research professor of Christian Worship at Duke Divinity School. If you go back in the archives you’ll see I interviewed Lester and Swee Hong Lim around the time they released their book A History of Contemporary Praise & Worship. Lester is a worship historian. The subject of this interview is about Christian Nationalism and Worship, a new course that Lester has been teaching. I wanted to interview Lester about this because I believe it has so much relevance to our current political climate, the church, and our worship practices. Now…I know anything political tends to bring out some tensions. And this may cause some frustration for you. But the goal here is not to be partisan or take sides. We’re merely looking at the history of Christian nationalism today and even around the world. We talk about the three strands of Christian nationalism in the US today. We talk about the intersection of worship and christian nationalism and how that influences the kinds of songs we sing. We also talk about how we can have healthier dialogue together, no matter our political differences. We even end the podcast with some Civil War history and Lester’s reading habits/suggestions. Topics Covered: The 3 Strands of Christian Nationalism in the United States today The global nature of religions nationalism How worship can be co-opted by Christian nationalism The surprising religious beliefs of our nation's founders Civil War history and how it relates to Christian Nationalism Worship Industry tensions Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: by Rebekah Eklund by Matthew D. Taylor by Erik Larson by Jon Meacham by Garry Wills (Civil War Sagas) by Jay Winik by Harry Stout Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36571875

How Industry And Christian Product Has Influenced Worship in the Local Church with Andrew Osenga 05/07/2025

How Industry And Christian Product Has Influenced Worship in the Local Church with Andrew Osenga Today’s conversation is with Andrew Osenga. Andrew is an artist, songwriter, producer, musician, and author. He used to do A&R with Integrity Music. Used to have a band called The Normals. Was a part of Caedmon’s Call. Has a host of solo records and albums. He’s a very thoughtful voice in this space of worship and spiritual formation. He leads a project called Anchor Hymns. This was a deep, far ranging conversation. Topics Covered: Why we didn't need to be sheltered from all thing secular How radio and Christian product has influenced our worship songwriting How fundamentalism warped our view of hymns Local church songwriting Why we need to write worship songs about more diverse topics Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36476295

Leading Teams and Leading Worship in a Mega Church with Jordan Howerton 04/25/2025

Leading Teams and Leading Worship in a Mega Church with Jordan Howerton Today’s conversation is an interesting juxtaposition to last week’s podcast with . Jason leads worship in a church of less than 100 people. Today’s guest - Jordan Howerton - is the Worship Pastor for one of the largest churches in the country - Christ’s Church of the Valley in Phoenix, AZ. If you’ve listened to the my podcast for a while, you’ll know I don’t believe bigger is better. There is beauty in small. There is dignity in serving and pastoring a small church with incremental or slow growth year after year. But for today, I want us to dive into the mega church dynamic. What does it take to lead a staff of 70 people in worship and production? How can you care for and pastor hundreds of volunteers? How do you develop a unified worship culture across 18 campuses? We dive into all of that here. My conversation with Jordan Howerton Topics Covered: Growing up in a small church + small church dynamics The challenge of being a worship leader today Why we need to make local church ministry great again Why God is moving in mega churches Dysfunction in both small and large churches Discipleship for your worship team What resources CCV uses to support their worship teams Why CCV doesn't provide chord charts to their teams Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: (use promo code BEYOND2025) Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the . One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo. I can’t recommend the enough. offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master’s programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God’s purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you’re searching for something truly unique, is the place for you. Visit and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry. Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36308650

Small Church Worship, Click Tracks, & How Anyone Can Make a Worship Album with Jason Houtsma 04/16/2025

Small Church Worship, Click Tracks, & How Anyone Can Make a Worship Album with Jason Houtsma Topics Covered: Playing actual live music in worship The small church community Comparing large church/high production to small church/low production Why you might NOT want to use clicks and tracks Taking risks and being creative in worship again Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: (use promo code BEYOND2025) Show Sponsor: by Jason Houtsma by Chaim Potok Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the . One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo. I can’t recommend the enough. offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master’s programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God’s purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you’re searching for something truly unique, is the place for you. Visit and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry. Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36204010

Discipleship, Ego, & Pursuing the Presence of God in Your Local Church with John Wilds 04/09/2025

Discipleship, Ego, & Pursuing the Presence of God in Your Local Church with John Wilds Topics Covered: Coffee snobbery John's favorite US (and international) coffee shops How to extend your vocal range Caring for the person, not the just the gifting The importance of staying rooted in a local church The dangers of ego and self centeredness in ministry Sonship Time restraints in worship Structure and flow in worship Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: (use promo code BEYOND2025) Show Sponsor: by Bob Sorge by Ryan Holiday Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the . One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo. I can’t recommend the enough. offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master’s programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God’s purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you’re searching for something truly unique, is the place for you. Visit and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry. Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/36075355

Anointing Over Gifting, Women in Worship, & Evaluating the Foundation of Our Ministries with Natalie Runion 04/02/2025

Anointing Over Gifting, Women in Worship, & Evaluating the Foundation of Our Ministries with Natalie Runion Today’s conversation is with Natalie Runion - Natalie is a worship leader, author, speaker, and founder of the online community . She’s written two books - Raised to Stay and The House that Jesus Built, both powerful, insightful reads into the realities of local church ministry. In this conversation we talk about worship ministry tensions, aging out of ministry roles, challenges for women in ministry, the idol of green room culture, responding to church hurt, and why our obsession with church growth can get us off track. Natalie is bold, challenging, and an important voice to the church today. Topics Covered: How Natalie discovered this concept of "Raised to Stay" Worship as a church growth tool How to approach a full time ministry role Why our emphasis on leadership is hurting our leadership The idol of green rooms The entitlement of worship leaders Why the conversation around "anointing" needs to change The tension and struggle of being a female worship pastor Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: (use promo code BEYOND2025) Show Sponsor: (website) by Natalie Runion by Natalie Runion Show Sponsor #1: Robert E. Webber Institute for Worship Studies This episode is brought to you by the . One of the questions I hear often is what are the best ways to further your training as a worship leader? Many worship pastors jump right into full time ministry out of college or ministry school. While practical ministry experience is necessary, it is often incomplete. You need a theological, historical, and biblical framework to sustain a healthy worship ministry today. Otherwise, it becomes a game of chasing fads and maintaining the status quo. I can’t recommend the enough. offers academically and spiritually rich doctoral and master's programs in worship studies, designed to transform you as a leader and deepen your connection to God's purpose for worship. The focus is all about discipling worship leaders to disciple worshipers, which we need more of in the church today. If you're searching for something truly unique, is the place for you. Visit and use the code BEYOND2025 for a discount. Now is the time to start your journey toward a more meaningful and impactful worship ministry. Show Sponsor #2: Planning Center My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/35974305

Deciphering, Unlearning, and Reframing Mega Church Worship Models with Becky Ykema 03/26/2025

Darwin Hobbs on Finding Your Voice, Gospel Music in the Church, & Why We Can't Stop Talking About Racism. 03/19/2025

David Leonard on Creating in Community, Corporate Worship, & the Challenges of Being an Artist 03/10/2025

Jeff Cochran on Spiritual Abuse, Mega Church Systems, & Fostering Healthier Worship Ministries 02/26/2025

Jeff Cochran on Spiritual Abuse, Mega Church Systems, & Fostering Healthier Worship Ministries Today we welcome Jeff Cochran to the Beyond Sunday Podcast. Jeff is the founder of the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the host of the Church Disrupted podcast. Jeff is a business owner, church consultant, and has spent many years in local church ministry. His insights into spiritual abuse, church systems, and creating healtheir churches is so insightful. These are TOUGH TOPICS but so necessary to talk about so that we not only create GROWING church but also SAFE churches, free of abusive practices. Topics Covered: The definition of spiritual abuse and how to spot it Why pastors have a hard time admitting to their faults Spiritual abuse in small and mega churches What is especially challenging about mega church culture Mega church growth systems and what to be aware of How spiritual abuse finds its way into worship ministry Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/35437500

Nathan Apffel & Chris Ayoub on The Religion Business 02/19/2025

Rich Villodas on Charismatic vs Contemplative Tensions, Church Growth, & The Narrow Path of Jesus 02/12/2025

Nikki Lerner on Life After Full Time Ministry, Worship Culture Conundrums, & Fostering Multicultural Churches 02/05/2025

Nikki Lerner on Life After Full Time Ministry, Worship Culture Conundrums, & Fostering Multicultural Churches "We've made the list of everything that could go wrong. It's time to make the list of everything that could go right." - Nikki Lerner Topics Covered: What it's like to leave full time ministry after 20+ years The challenge of doing ministry when you're paid to do it full time The importance of creative outlets outside of the church What to do when you're bored with worship music Nikki's philosophy of worship How to become a multicultural church The difference between multi colored and multicultural Mono-ethnocentricism and the worship industry Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/35162310

Malcolm DuPlessis on Racial Tension, Injustice, & The Commercialization of Worship 01/27/2025

Mike O'Brien on Worship Artist/Leader Tensions, Local Church Ministry, & The Gift of Obscurity 01/15/2025

Tommy Preson Phillips on Why People Are Leaving The Church To Look For Christ 01/02/2025

Kelsey Kramer McGinnis On Music, Money, & Profits in the Worship Industry (And What That Means For the Rest of Us) 12/20/2024

Kelsey Kramer McGinnis On Music, Money, & Profits in the Worship Industry (And What That Means For the Rest of Us) Kelsey is a brilliant thinker. She is a musicologist and educator based in Iowa, holding a PhD from the University of Iowa. Currently, Kelsey is a regular contributor to Christianity Today, writing and reporting on worship and church culture. She is also an adjunct professor at Grand View University in Des Moines, where she teaches on music and social justice. As as a graduate student and adjunct faculty member at the University of Iowa, she taught a variety of courses on music history, social justice and the arts, and human rights. She served on the staff of the from 2010-2019, where she was the academic advisor for undergraduate students pursuing a Certificate in Human Rights. Kelsey's dissertation research explored the use of American music in the reeducation of German POWs during WWII. Other areas of expertise include contemporary sacred music in the United States, 19th century choral music, Evangelical subcultures, human rights and the arts, and the intersection of art and ecotheology. She is an active presenter at academic conferences and accepts invitations for guest lectures and workshops on her research and on human rights education in higher ed. Topics Covered: More about Kelsey and her journey into musicology and journalism Our over-dependence on tools in worship ministry Why having conversations with our congregation is important Why we think all worship music sounds the same The complications of Christian celebrity and worship music Facing the music of money and profits in the worship industry Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Topics Covered: The changes in Christian music from the 90s to now The worship music boom of the early 2000s and The story behind Third Day’s Offering worship record in 2000 Why leading worship in a local church is harder than leading a worship concert The importance of self care for artists and worship leaders What the transition from band to solo artist has been like for Mac Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: by Mac Powell Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/34550205

Mac Powell on CCM Through the Years, Worship Music, & Personal Soul Care 12/12/2024

Aodhan King on Early Young & Free Days, New Music, & Christ Centered Worship 11/29/2024

Martin Smith on The Future of Worship Music, Local Church, & Songs of Joy 11/12/2024

Sam McCabe on The Worship Industry, Finding Your Own Voice, & Our Worship Song Diet 11/06/2024

Andrew Holt on The Belonging Co, Leading a Worship Ministry, & Encounter Over Entertainment 10/29/2024

Elias Dummer on Humanizing The Conversation Around Worship Leading, Anointing, & The Worship Industry 10/21/2024

Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art 10/02/2024

Charlie Peacock on Songwriting, Music Production Tricks, Church Music, & The Intersection of Faith & Art Topics Covered: Charlie's theological journey Being an autodidact (self learner) and what they meant for Charlie's career The genetics of music and what Charlie learned from the musicianship of his Father The magic of songwriting Why writer's block is a myth Why the worship industry carries potential for problems The potential problem with celebrity worship leaders Why we should stop evaluating success by "what's working." How Charlie discovered Switchfoot and his favorite song he produced (48:00) Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: by Charlie Peacock by Charlie Peacock & Andi Ashworth Show Sponsor: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/33297982

Andy Squyres on Writing, Celebrity Worship, & The Idol of Excellence 09/25/2024

#331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies 09/12/2024

#331: Bob Kauflin on Theology for Worship Teams, Production Decisions, & Top Worship Leader Competencies Topics Covered: How our union with Christ affects Sunday worship The rise of liturgy and what it means for churches Reflections on writing Worship Matters (16 years ago!) Creating a technical grid for our Sunday production Top competencies/qualities of an effective Worship Pastor Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: by Sovereign Grace Music by J.I. Packer by David Peterson by DA Carson by Harold Best Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/33021202

Mike Donehey on God's Will vs God's Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North 09/02/2024

Mike Donehey on God's Will vs God's Call, Worship Leading, Altar Calls, & The Return of Tenth Avenue North Topics Covered: What God's will is for you The difference between the will of God and the call of God How to discern the call of God on your life How do deal with fame The problem with altar calls Why the term "Worship Leader" is inadequate Resources Mentioned: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor: Show Sponsor #1: Beyond Sunday Backstage (Coaching Community) The Beyond Sunday Worship is now open! I’ve wanted to create a group coaching community for a while and that time is now! is a low-cost coaching community designed to give you year-round support as a worship leader. For $49/month, here’s what’s included: Bi-Weekly LIVE coaching calls focused on your specific challenges/questions (no need for perfect attendance…make it work for you) Monthly MASTER CLASSES that dive deep into specific tools, strategies, and tactics for your worship ministry (taught by me and other special guests). Exclusive guest Q&A’s/hangouts with guests from the Beyond Sunday Podcast Full access to my beginner keys video course, Learn Worship Keys (plus full access to all future courses). Downloads of The Worship Songwriter & Beyond Sunday eBooks Access to an exclusive “Off Facebook” private community of worship leaders Songwriting training throughout the year and group co-writes with me and others in the community Exclusive LIVE access to Beyond Sunday Podcast interviews to ask questions (via chat) in real time. No long term contracts. Cancel anytime. But I know you’re going to love it. Join us ! Show Sponsor #2: My goal in this podcast is to help you grow as a worship leader. Of course that includes your formation, but it isn’t limited to that—it’s also with practical tools to help you in your ministry. It’s hard to talk about being a worship leader without mentioning . As you know, I’m a huge fan. A lot of you are already using Planning Center Services to schedule your volunteers, plan your worship services, and give your team the tools they need to learn their music. But with , you can stay even more engaged with your volunteers and anyone looking for how to get plugged in. First, some good news: is completely free with any Planning Center subscription. No, you didn’t hear me wrong—it’s free. Second, some better news: you can use to add new volunteers to your teams quickly and automatically. In , you can make forms for anyone interested in volunteering, put them in a step-by-step training workflow, and then automatically add them to Services to schedule them for the right team. And that’s just one way you can use . From sending automated emails and seeing church-wide engagement to organizing your member database and keeping information up-to-date, there’s tons you can do. So go to to use for free. /episode/index/show/beyondsunday/id/32868212