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Zion Zhang CoFounder Ponder

The Jason Cavness Experience

Release Date: 04/20/2025

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Zion Zhang CoFounder Ponder Sponsors Salalabs - North America Salalabs specializes in delivering IoT, AI, and Machine Learning to streamline operations and drive innovation. Save up to 70 percent on development costs and 32 percent on time with Salalabs.  For more info, email [email protected] or reach out to Jason Cavness Go to www.thejasoncavnessexperience.com for the podcast on your favorite platforms Zion’s Bio Zion is an 18 y/o founder. He is building Ponder: help youth build real-world skills by working on projects guided by AI simulation of their future selves. He believes...

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Zion Zhang CoFounder Ponder

Sponsors Salalabs - North America Salalabs specializes in delivering IoT, AI, and Machine Learning to streamline operations and drive innovation.

Save up to 70 percent on development costs and 32 percent on time with Salalabs. 

For more info, email [email protected] or reach out to Jason Cavness

Go to www.thejasoncavnessexperience.com for the podcast on your favorite platforms

Zion’s Bio

Zion is an 18 y/o founder. He is building Ponder: help youth build real-world skills by working on projects guided by AI simulation of their future selves. He believes education in 2035 will be radically different, and we are already seeing signals with AI and homeschooling. He started Ponder to accelerate this transformation.

 We talk about the following and other items

Zion's Background and Ponder's Origin

 Learning and Self-Teaching

Purpose and Vision for Ponder

Parental Support and Future Plans

 Cold Emailing and Networking

Building a Technical Co-Founder Relationship

 Generational Differences in Learning

Homeschooling and Public Education

The Role of AI in Education

Department of Education and Education Reform

Education Funding and Inequality

School Choice and AI in Education

College Education and Its Purpose

Challenges in Education and Ponder's Vision

Navigating Investor Relations and Company Goals

Executing Ponder's Vision

Future of Education and Personal Growth

Zion’s Social Media Z

ion’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zion-zhang-984345262/

Ponder Website: https://ponder.school/

Zion’s X: https://x.com/ZheyunZhangJ

Zion’s Advice

I want to talk more about the idea of agency. I believe agency is going to become increasingly important in the next couple of decades AND especially in education. To me, agency is about disagreeability in a positive sense—meaning the willingness to challenge assumptions andcombined with clear, critical thinking, and the ability to take action.

And honestly, agency is something that most people aren’t talking about enough, even though it’s had a huge impact on my own life. For example, when I was 17, someone told me I should go to a networking event. 

The very next day, without overthinking it, I just went. I didn’t really know how networking was “supposed” to work, and I was definitely a little socially awkward. I was super direct, like, “Hey, what’s your LinkedIn? What do you do?” I was trying really hard to have meaningful conversations, even though I didn’t quite know how to go about it.

At the time, I thought something was wrong with me because I would always just do the thing I wanted to do, even if the outcome wasn’t perfect. I often made mistakes or didn’t get the result I hoped for right away. 

But later, I realized that this was actually an example of agency in action just taking initiative and figuring things out through experience.

Now, when I catch myself overthinking or procrastinating, I recognize that as a signal of low agency. Instead of getting stuck in my head, I remind myself: just go do it. That’s how you build high agency, by acting, learning, and repeating the cycle. 

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