Episode 293 - Getting REAL About Both/And with Jodee
Release Date: 01/22/2026
Episode 293 - Getting REAL About Both/And with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
I've been sitting with something this week and I want to name it out loud, and see if there is dialogue to be created around it. When people go all-in on any single viewpoint - political or otherwise - it seems to me that nuance disappears. And when we lose nuance, we lose curiosity. So I wonder where curiosity lives in the world of this or that. Does it? What happens when curiosity dies? Is there space for Both/And instead of only Either/Or?
info_outline
Episode 292 - Getting REAL About Peace in the Chaos with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
What happens to us humans when we feel like we are the only ones thinking or feeling something? If we don't have a place to process what we are seeing, it's easy to second guess our own perception. I've been thinking about this in a leadership context, and I'm reminded of two books I've studied, both by The Arbinger Institute: Leadership and Self Deception and The Anatomy of Peace. The premise is that when we are under stress, humans tend to see others not as humans but as objects. This can easily happen when we fall below the line into unconsciousness: being closed, defensive, and committed...
info_outline
Episode 291 - Getting REAL About A.I. and Culture with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
In this episode of Circle Up & Get REAL, I'm exploring some thoughts about leadership (no surprise) and what pressure might do to the humans who are in those leadership roles. What role might AI have, not just in our corporate efficiencies, but in creating a culture of awareness and acceptance instead of fear? In other words, if we stay in curiosity instead of falling into certainty, what could the rise of AI mean to our corporate cultures?
info_outline
Episode 290 - Getting REAL About Owning Your Magnificence with Sue Paulson
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
In today's episode, I chat with my friend Sue Paulson, a 2-time cancer survivor and a survivor of a near-death experience, all of which have awakened her to her own magnificence, which she now mentors others to understand for themselves. Sue is the author of several books, including her memoir, Magnificent Misery, about her health journey. In our conversation, Sue shared her personal journey with cancer, which she experienced in 2011 and 2012. She realized that her body is a communication device that alerts her to issues, and she learned to pay more attention to these signals. Sue acknowledged...
info_outline
Episode 289 - Getting REAL About Leadership with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
In today's episode I share some ideas from books I'm reading right now, and I apply what I'm learning about leadership to current day affairs. Against advice from many, I talk today about politics, but not from a political lens, rather from a leadership one. I refer specifically to passages from Richard Rohr's "Falling Upward," and Bob Chapman's "Everybody Matters." Leadership is not management, although both are needed to run successful organizations, from business to religion to education to government. If we all understood that leading is a sacred assignment, and we truly treated...
info_outline
Episode 288 - Getting REAL About Responsible Freedom with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
Today I'm exploring a thought I first heard about from Steve Jobs: You can only connect the dots of your life looking backward. What have each of us learned about our lives from that perspective? And how might it shape the choices we make from today forward? We'd love to have you join us at the Enlightened Leadership Lab on Mondays from 4-5 central. You can get more information at www.emergentculturelabs.com/leadershiplab
info_outline
Getting REAL With Phil Gerbyshak
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
In today's episode you get to sit in on a conversation between two old friends who haven't connected in a while. Phil Gerbyshak is a blogger and author, and one of the people most influential in my journey into online writing. Phil and I talk about how important friends are, whether they are near in proximity or near and dear to our hearts. He shares his journey from being an IT help desk manager to his current role as a high school teacher. Despite the fact that Phil and I have only met in person once, we have remained good friends since our intital contact in 2004ish when we both...
info_outline
Episode 286 - Getting REAL About Manifesting with Joey Pachak
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
info_outline
Episode 285 - Getting REAL About Problems or Possibilities with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
In today's stream-of-consciousness episode I talk about how what we notice becomes our way of seeing the world. Do we see problems first or possibilities first? When we get clear about noticing what we notice, so much can shift: IF we use our power of choice. I mention the Enlightened Leadership Lab, where we practice emergent conversations on a weekly basis. You can find more information at .
info_outline
Episode 284 - Getting REAL About How Things Occur with Jodee
Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
When we meditate or even when we are quiet - by ourselves in nature or even, potentially, at a public location but still by ourselves - it occurs to me that thoughts and feelings occur to all of us. What kinds of occurrences are you present to in your own life? What do you do with those "random" thoughts? Today I mention books by The Arbinger Group: Leadership and Self Deception and The Anatomy of Peace along with Simon Sinek's podcast interview with Bob Chapman (, Heather Cox Richardson's Tuesday, November 4 report, and Marjorie Taylor Greene's panel discussion (dialogue) on The View, also on...
info_outlineI've been sitting with something this week and I want to name it out loud, and see if there is dialogue to be created around it.
When people go all-in on any single viewpoint - political or otherwise - it seems to me that nuance disappears. And when we lose nuance, we lose curiosity.
So I wonder where curiosity lives in the world of this or that. Does it? What happens when curiosity dies?
Is there space for Both/And instead of only Either/Or?