Circle Up & Get REAL Podcast
When you're with your peeps, you invite them to Circle Up. And when like-minded and like-hearted others come together, they hold space for each other to Get REAL: Radical, Energized, Authentic, & Learning-focused. It's time to Circle Up & Get REAL.
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Episode 319 - Getting REAL About The Money with Jodee
08/19/2026
Episode 319 - Getting REAL About The Money with Jodee
Has money been given a job it was never meant to do — proving your worth? In this solo episode of Circle Up and Get Real, Jodee Bock explores money as a tool and an exchange of value, while questioning the meaning we attach to salaries, prices, rates, achievement, and someone else’s willingness to pay. She shares the personal path from a Midwestern ‘work harder’ mindset through corporate leadership, accidental entrepreneurship, free speaking engagements, undercharging, and the gradual separation of worth, value, and cost. The conversation ultimately shifts from transaction to stewardship: using the time, talents, relationships, and resources entrusted to us in service of something greater. In this episode: • Why working harder eventually reaches a limit • How salary, pricing, and external validation can become tangled with worth • What free talks and $100 gigs taught Jodee about value • Why money can represent exchange without measuring humanity • Moving from achievement and transaction toward stewardship • What organizational culture makes possible when humans are treated as humans • The question that can change how we earn, spend, save, and give Reflection: If money no longer had to prove your worth, what might change? Check out for more info about our work
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Episode 318 - Getting REAL About Discipline with Jodee
08/14/2026
Episode 318 - Getting REAL About Discipline with Jodee
After nearly two weeks away from the podcast, Jodee finds herself wondering: Who really cares if an episode arrives on schedule — and who is keeping score? That question opens a deeper reflection on commitments, promises, connection, resilience, and discipline. From a rainy Disrupt HR event in Fargo to wildfire-smoked mountains in Montana, Jodee considers what happens when reality does not match our expectations. She shares how a quick, meaningful conversation reminded her that our challenge may not be a lack of communication, but a lack of genuine connection. She also explores how small personal practices — 15 squats after every bathroom visit, wearing a meaningful pin, and riding her bike every day — have helped her experience discipline as self-trust rather than pressure. This is not a prescription or a challenge to copy someone else’s habits. It is an invitation to ask: What are you willing to do over time, simply to see what happens? And how might your experience change when you choose from purpose rather than should, force, or fear?
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Episode 317 - Getting REAL About the Space Between with Jodee
07/29/2026
Episode 317 - Getting REAL About the Space Between with Jodee
What do you do when life creates an unexpected opening? Most of us rush to fill empty space—with busyness, worry, or the next thing on our list. But what if those openings aren't problems to solve? What if they're invitations to grow? In this episode, I explore the difference between loss and capacity, why our identity matters during times of transition, and how creating space can help us recognize possibilities we might otherwise miss. Whether you're changing jobs, retiring, launching a business, or simply entering a new chapter of life, this conversation invites you to pause before filling the space. I'd love to hear your story in the comments: When has something that ended eventually made room for something better?
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Episode 316 - Getting REAL About the Journey of You with Jodee
07/21/2026
Episode 316 - Getting REAL About the Journey of You with Jodee
What if life isn't a problem to solve—but a journey to experience? In this solo episode of Circle Up & Get REAL, Jodee reflects on an upcoming biking adventure through Montana and discovers that planning a road trip has a surprising way of illuminating life itself. Through stories about maps, GPS systems, bike trails, and mountain roads, she explores why we often expect life to be easier than it was ever meant to be. The journey reminds us that hills, valleys, storms, detours, and unexpected companions aren't signs we've gone off course—they're part of the adventure. Jodee shares why agency isn't about controlling every circumstance but about choosing how we respond to the conditions we encounter. She introduces the powerful distinction between an external GPS that helps us navigate and an internal compass—our values, intuition, instinct, and discernment—that helps us determine our True North. Along the way, she explores: Why expectations often create unnecessary suffering What a GPS can teach us about self-compassion ("Recalculating...") The two questions every journey requires: Where am I? and Where do I want to go? Why mentors and trail guides can show us where they've been—but cannot walk our path for us The meaning of coddiwomple: traveling purposefully toward a destination that isn't yet completely clear How curiosity, courage, and discernment help us navigate uncertainty Whether you're standing at a crossroads, questioning your direction, or simply trying to enjoy the scenery a little more, this episode offers an invitation to trust both the map and the compass—and to remember that becoming may matter even more than arriving. Key Takeaway: Life isn't about avoiding wrong turns. It's about learning to recalculate with curiosity instead of judgment and having the courage to continue the journey. Quote from the Episode "It's never what happens to you. It's who you become in the process." Reflection Questions What expectations am I carrying that may be making my journey harder than it needs to be? Where am I today—not where I wish I were? Where do I truly want to go? What does my inner compass tell me that no GPS can? If I took one courageous step without knowing the entire path, what might become possible?
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Episode 315 - Getting REAL About Saying No with Heather Archer
07/09/2026
Episode 315 - Getting REAL About Saying No with Heather Archer
What if saying no was actually one of the most important career skills you could develop? In this episode of Circle Up & Get REAL, Jodee sits down with workplace strategist, facilitator, and author Heather Archer to explore why so many talented professionals become overwhelmed by saying yes to work that doesn't move them forward. Drawing from her signature framework, The Promotion Equation, Heather explains how to distinguish between high-value work that advances your career and the "invisible" tasks that quietly consume your time and energy. Heather shares the personal story behind the framework, which began as coaching conversations with her daughter after she found herself buried in responsibilities simply because she struggled to decline requests. Those real-life lessons eventually became a practical system that helps professionals pause, evaluate opportunities, and respond with confidence rather than obligation. Together, Jodee and Heather also explore the language we use in business, challenging the common phrase "I help people…" and examining how our words shape perceptions of value. Their conversation moves beyond workplace productivity into authenticity, visibility, self-advocacy, and the importance of recognizing the difference between generosity and professional contribution. Whether you're an emerging leader, an experienced professional, or someone who simply finds it difficult to set boundaries, this episode offers practical tools for protecting your time, increasing your impact, and saying yes to the work that matters most. In This Episode Why saying "yes" can quietly derail your career The difference between promotable and non-promotable work Heather's simple framework: Ask + Pause = Answer How to decline requests without damaging relationships Why visibility matters as much as hard work The surprising problem with saying "I help people…" Practical ways to advocate for yourself without feeling self-promotional How intentional boundaries create greater impact and fulfillment Memorable Thought "Every time you intentionally say no to work that doesn't align with your goals, you're creating space to say a wholehearted yes to what matters most." Connect with Heather Learn more about Heather Archer and The Promotion Equation through her company, Training Du Jour, and connect with her on LinkedIn to follow her work in leadership, facilitation, and workplace strategy. Final Thought Success isn't about doing everything. It's about having the courage and clarity to do the right things well. Heather reminds us that every thoughtful "no" creates room for a more meaningful "yes."
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Getting REAL About Becoming with Lisa Conners
07/01/2026
Getting REAL About Becoming with Lisa Conners
What happens when the identity you've been living no longer feels big enough to hold who you're becoming? In this episode of Circle Up & Get REAL, Jodee welcomes keynote speaker, executive coach, and leadership expert Lisa Connors for a conversation about identity, growth, and the courage to step into new possibilities. Lisa shares the story behind her emerging framework, Name Yourself, which encourages people to stop waiting for permission and begin claiming the identities that have been quietly calling to them all along. Together, they explore everything from leadership and creativity to painting, drumming, podcasting, and writing. Along the way, they reflect on the people who have named gifts in them before they could see them themselves, the difference between being motivated and inspired, and why our lives often expand not by replacing old identities but by adding new ones. If you've ever heard yourself ask, "Who am I to do that?" this conversation may offer a different question worth considering. In This Episode Lisa introduces her new Name Yourself framework and explains how identity shapes the way we live and lead. Why new identities don't replace old ones. They stack. The difference between motivation that pushes and inspiration that pulls. Jodee shares her unexpected journey from first-time painter to identifying as an artist. Lisa tells the story of becoming a drummer simply because something inside her wouldn't let go of the idea. How community often sees our gifts before we do. The role of joy, curiosity, and experimentation in creating a meaningful life. The influence of difficult seasons, including loss, cancer, divorce, and career transitions, in shaping who we become. A conversation about The Fourth Turning is Here and finding hope during uncertain times. Why authentic conversations create more transformation than scripted interviews. Memorable Thought "Sometimes the greatest transformation doesn't happen when we become someone new. It happens when we finally give ourselves permission to become who we've been all along." Connect with Lisa Connors Lisa Connors is a keynote speaker, executive leadership coach, and creator of the Name Yourself framework, helping leaders and high achievers intentionally create the identities that support the lives and careers they want to build. Her work also includes Generative Leadership and Generative Power, helping individuals and organizations lead with greater confidence, resilience, and authenticity. Learn more at and connect with Lisa on LinkedIn and Instagram. Connect with Jodee Jodee Bock is a speaker, executive coach, author, artist, and host of Circle Up & Get REAL. Through conversations that are Radical, Energized, Authentic, and Learning-focused, she helps leaders develop themselves first so they can create cultures where people and organizations thrive. Learn more at and subscribe to the Get REAL with Jodee YouTube channel for full video episodes and additional conversations. If this conversation encouraged you to think differently about who you're becoming, we'd love for you to share it with someone who may need the same reminder. Be sure to subscribe to Circle Up & Get REAL, leave a review, and join us next time as we continue gathering around the virtual fire to explore the conversations that help us live, lead, and learn more authentically.
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Episode 313 - Getting REAL About Trusting the Mystery with Tonja Waring
06/25/2026
Episode 313 - Getting REAL About Trusting the Mystery with Tonja Waring
What happens when you stop looking outside yourself for answers and begin trusting the wisdom already within you? In this episode of Circle Up & Get REAL, Jodee reconnects with entrepreneur, coach, author, and manifestation guide Tonja Waring. The two first met through a networking organization in 2018 and have both experienced significant personal and professional evolution since then. Tonja shares her journey from a difficult season of life just a few years ago to creating the Wise Mystic Lounge, a growing community focused on intuition, manifestation, energy alignment, and conscious creation. Along the way, she reflects on her upbringing on a South Dakota cattle ranch, her experience helping grow MyPillow from a $500,000 company to a $50 million enterprise, and her newest adventure: restoring an 1890 Victorian home in Denison, Texas that will become The Velvet Cactus, a boutique stay and gathering space. Together, Jodee and Tonja explore the relationship between truth and mystery, the role of vibration and energy in shaping our lives, and what it means to become our own guide rather than seeking answers from external authorities. They discuss manifestation, feng shui, NLP, forgiveness, inner child work, and the possibility that a relatively small percentage of people living authentically can influence collective consciousness in meaningful ways. Whether you're curious about spirituality, personal development, intuition, or simply creating a life that feels more aligned, this conversation offers plenty to ponder. In This Episode Tonja's personal transformation and the creation of the Wise Mystic Lounge Growing up on a South Dakota cattle ranch and lessons learned from rural life Behind-the-scenes stories from helping scale MyPillow during its rapid growth years The difference between truth and mystery Manifestation beyond wishful thinking Feng shui as a practical tool for creating supportive environments The four domains of manifestation: free will, divine guidance, vibration, and energy NLP, self-talk, and rewiring subconscious patterns Inner child work, forgiveness, and healing past experiences Divine feminine and masculine energies Building community and creating spaces for connection The vision behind The Velvet Cactus in Denison, Texas Why authenticity may be one of the most powerful forces for change Memorable Thought "Perhaps the goal isn't to know all the answers. Perhaps the invitation is to trust ourselves enough to stay curious about the mystery." Connect with Tonja Learn more about Tonja's work, the Wise Mystic Lounge, manifestation resources, coaching opportunities, and The Velvet Cactus project through her website and community offerings: . Connect with Jodee For leadership development, coaching, speaking, and resources focused on helping people stay engaged, stay relevant, and stay conscious, connect with Jodee Bock and Get REAL Leadership: . If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review. Your support helps more people discover conversations that challenge assumptions, expand perspectives, and encourage authentic growth.
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Episode 312 - Getting REAL About the Accountability Paradox with Jodee
06/17/2026
Episode 312 - Getting REAL About the Accountability Paradox with Jodee
Why do we often expect nonprofits to do more with less while holding them to intense levels of scrutiny? Recently I've been pondering the relationship between accountability, ownership, stewardship, and the conditions that bring out our best thinking and leadership. I used to believe what was missing in our organizational dynamics is accountability. But I wonder if it's something else.
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Episode 311 - Getting REAL About the Mastermind with Jodee
06/11/2026
Episode 311 - Getting REAL About the Mastermind with Jodee
Napoleon Hill understood the power of the master mind ... having others in your circle who can give you additional perspectives you couldn't have realized on your own. I have facilitated or been a part of several of these groups over the years, and I have witnessed and experienced first-hand what that power has done for me. Find out more about our Monday Mastermind: The Enlightened Leadership Lab at www.emergentculturelabs.com/leadershiplab
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Episode 310 - Getting REAL About Being Seen with Josh Madson
06/04/2026
Episode 310 - Getting REAL About Being Seen with Josh Madson
In this episode of Circle Up and Get REAL, Jodee sits down with photographer, filmmaker, and creative visionary Josh Madson to explore an extraordinary journey of reinvention, purpose, and human connection. Josh shares how a broken-up band and a leap of faith led him from Minnesota to Los Angeles, where he built a successful career working alongside some of the biggest names in photography, including Annie Leibovitz and major commercial brands. Along the way, he learned that great photography is less about technical perfection and more about helping people feel comfortable, valued, and authentically themselves. But success didn't follow a straight line. During the pandemic, Josh found himself back in Minnesota, living with his mother, questioning his future, and searching for meaning after losing both income and direction. Out of that difficult season emerged an unexpected idea: a community portrait project that would eventually grow into Community Collage, a large-scale public art movement celebrating the people who make communities unique. Today, Community Collage has engaged thousands of people across multiple cities, including more than 1,200 participants in the Fargo-Moorhead area alone. Through free portrait sessions and massive public murals, Josh creates experiences that help people feel seen, appreciated, and connected to something larger than themselves. Together, Jodee and Josh explore themes of manifestation, personal responsibility, authenticity, belonging, and the power of creative work to bring people together. The conversation is a reminder that sometimes our greatest contributions emerge not from our highest moments of success, but from the seasons that force us to rediscover who we are and what truly matters. Josh will be one of the speakers at Fargo's TEDx in July. Find more about Josh at his website: www.communitycollage.org.
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Episode 309 - Getting REAL About Doing Good Better With Patrick Kirby
05/29/2026
Episode 309 - Getting REAL About Doing Good Better With Patrick Kirby
Today's guest is Patrick Kirby, founder of Do Good Better Consulting, where he specializes in nonprofit fundraising coaching and consulting, among other entrepreneurial hats he wears. In this episode Patrick and I talk about what it means to be an entrepreneur: embodying characteristics like self-trust, audacity, and a willingness to deviate from conventional paths. We also talked about how "soft skills" like leadership, communication, and building connections are actually essential to business and life success. Patrick talked about how he is relaunching Do Good University, an online community platform for nonprofits to allow them to learn and connect with others in their field. Patrick shared the information and the process he went through when writing his two books, "Fundraise Awesomer," and "Fundraise Like a 5th Grader." Find Patrick at www.dogoodbetterconsulting.com.
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Episode 308 - Getting REAL About Truthiness with Jodee
05/20/2026
Episode 308 - Getting REAL About Truthiness with Jodee
Stephen Colbert is finishing his run as a late night talk show host this week (tomorrow, to be exact). Before he took on this role, back in 2005 he was host of a political satire program called The Colbert Report, where he coined the term "truthiness." Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the perceptions of some individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectural examination, or fact. While it was satire in 2005, I wonder how it plays out in our current times. I also talked today about learning. If learning = change, then if I haven't changed, I haven't learned. What might it be that prevents people from admitting they might not have had all the information when they formed an opinion? Something keeps us from changing our minds, which, then, points to our inability or unwillingness to change and grow. I mention John Miller's book and body of work on personal accountability, QBQ (www.qbq.com). I also mention Mandy Patinkin's version of "You Must Be Carefully Taught/Children Will Listen." Here is a link to the video: https://youtu.be/owxRpV7l8Dc?si=LXZuug4-cvdFvDf2
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Episode 307 - Getting REAL About Taking Action with Jodee
05/14/2026
Episode 307 - Getting REAL About Taking Action with Jodee
Lately my wonders and ponders have been really impactful as I'm learning things about myself I either overlooked or didn't realize. Owning my greatness has been a journey, for sure, and I am continuing to pull out bags, look at the contents, and decide to throw some of that baggage out (both literally and figuratively). I've been pondering topics like love at work, fierce conversations (like those Susan Scott tells us about in her book of the same name), attachment vs. commitment, and so much more. In this episode I share some ideas and ponderings that might look like coincidences, but are really the universe working on my behalf. I mention Marcus Buckingham's new book "Design Love In," Byron Katie's "Loving What Is," and Steve Farber's "Love is Just Damn Good Business," as well as this video which inspired the Assume - Receive - Repeat process. Here is the link for the Enlightened Leadership Lab:
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Episode 306 - Getting REAL About Moments That Matter with Chris Dyer
05/07/2026
Episode 306 - Getting REAL About Moments That Matter with Chris Dyer
In today's episode Jodee speaks with Chris Dyer, author of the new book "Moments That Matter," about his framework for identifying, understanding, and responding to significant moments in both business and personal life. Chris shares how his experience as a former CEO who built a company where employees loved working led him to realize that moments, not just consistent culture or leadership, were what made the biggest difference in employee satisfaction. They discussed his three-step approach to handling moments: stopping to assess, determining what others need from you, and deciding who you want to be in that moment. Chris explained his framework of seven types of moments that control everything, from inception and transition moments to connection and culmination moments, and how understanding these can help people show up more intentionally in their lives and leadership roles. Hire Chris to speak at your next conference or find his books at his website, www.chrisdyer.com or find him on any of the social platforms.
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Episode 305 - Getting REAL About What Keeps Showing Up with Jodee
04/22/2026
Episode 305 - Getting REAL About What Keeps Showing Up with Jodee
There are at least a couple of ways of thinking about consistency. What keeps happening TO me or what do I bring with me because of who I'm being? I have noticed some similarities in conversations I've been having over the past couple of weeks. Why should I be surprised, since I'm what my experiences have in common? The song Kara recommended we listen to is "If You Can't Find Hope" by Able Heart. HOW APPROPRIATE for this conversation! Here's a link: https://youtu.be/mDhOVSMUDaE?si=opwd07INZ4OyGs_Y Let's talk about what keeps showing up.
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Episode 304 - Getting REAL About Resilience with Michaela Schell
04/16/2026
Episode 304 - Getting REAL About Resilience with Michaela Schell
Today's guest is Michaela Schell, owner of Immersion Sauna and Cold Plunge Studio in Fargo, where she calls herself a Saunapreneur. In this conversation, in addition to talking about the many benefits of her business, we also shared how we reconnected and about last week's Walk and Talk, which inspired this conversation. One of the themes in this episode is about how modern society has caused people to be less resilent by providing constant distractions. We also talked about how while we may come from different starting points with political and religious perspectives, we realized on our walk that we have very similar destinations in our vision. When people make the effort to come out from behind their screens and comments, they might find that in live conversations there is far less to argue about than they might think. Find out more about Michaela's business and about her on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/michaelamschell/ or Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/michaela.schell.3.
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Episode 303 - Getting REAL About Worldviews & Consciousness with Meghan Fife
04/09/2026
Episode 303 - Getting REAL About Worldviews & Consciousness with Meghan Fife
In today's episode I reconnect with longtime friend Meghan Fife, founder of B-Side Consulting and the Instagram persona "Mystic Meghan." Meghan and I met while we were both in the real estate industry (Meghan still has a specialty working with seniors in Dallas). We didn't talk much about real estate today. Instead we explored future-oriented initiatives, yoga, Meghan's values of joy, gratitude, peace, and love, and how that mindset and worldview fits with my recent study of the fourth turning, where we find ourselves today. Meghan shared her personal growth journey and how she has developed a more authentic worldview focused on respect, kindness, and finding common ground with others. She emphasized the importance of being present in the moment with whoever she is with, whether it's family, friends, or colleagues. We talked about several books, including Dr. David Hawkins' works "Power vs. Force" and "Letting Go," which we both have studied. You can find more about the Map of Consciousness by searching any browser. I shared a quote by Patanjali, the father of yoga. Here is that quote: "When you are inspired by some great purpose, some extraordinary project, all your thoughts break their bonds. Your mind transcends limitations, your consciousness expands in every direction, and you find yourself in a new, great and wonderful world. Dormant forces, faculties and talents become alive, and you discover yourself to be a greater person by far than you ever dreamed yourself to be." If you are interested in Meghan's Facebook post that inspired my reaching out to her, it was her Facebook post from March 11. Meghan can be reached at , or Mystic.Meghan on Instagram.
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Episode 302 - Getting REAL About Rethinking Hard & Soft Skills at Work with Jodee
04/01/2026
Episode 302 - Getting REAL About Rethinking Hard & Soft Skills at Work with Jodee
I'm thinking today about an autographed book that's been on my shelf for years: "The Soft Edge: Where Great Companies Find Lasting Success" by North Dakota's own Rich Karlgaard, Forbes publisher, entrepreneur, investor, and board director. What is it that makes our skills "Soft" or "Hard"? What is most needed in our world today? How might we be able to BE the change we want to see in the rest of the world as we move toward the end of this Fourth Turning Crisis and into the next First Turning High? Masculine and Feminine energy aren't necessarily demonstrated only by men or by women. It's not a gender issue, it's an energetic one, and over time, businesses have been forged by a lot of masculine energy: control, certainty, pressure, decisiveness, winning, etc. When this energy is dominant, there is no room for feminine energy like intuition, connection, awareness, collaboration, etc. What if we could access those traits in a collaborative or integrative way instead of an either-or? What would happen for our organizations if we could move from proving to understanding? From fixing to listening first? From reacting to noticing? I briefly mention Neil Howe's book "The Fourth Turning is Here," as well as Rich Karlgaard's book "The Soft Edge."
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Episode 301 - Getting REAL About Personal Accountability with Jodee
03/25/2026
Episode 301 - Getting REAL About Personal Accountability with Jodee
One of my favorite coaching questions is this one: "What is missing the presence of which would make a positive difference?" Today I ask myself this question. Given all I'm observing - about myself and others - might it be something like Personal Accountability? In this episode I share some observations from politics and sports, including this clip from the Maryland women's basketball game in the NCAA tournament: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SJhqv_2lFhg I also refer to a new (to me) term: Collective Narcissism, and this white paper by Agnieszka Golec de Zavala and Dorottya Lantos: Here is more information about the Enlightened Leadership Lab, Mondays at 4 central: https://www.emergentculturelabs.com/leadershiplab
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Episode 300 - Getting REAL About Reflecting with Jodee
03/18/2026
Episode 300 - Getting REAL About Reflecting with Jodee
It's Episode 300! Today I reflect on some of the great interviews I've had over the six seasons of this podcast.
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Episode 299 - Getting REAL About The Fourth Turning with Jodee
03/04/2026
Episode 299 - Getting REAL About The Fourth Turning with Jodee
What can history tell us about the seasons of our live? A lot, according to Neil Howe, author of The Fourth Turning is Here: What the Seasons of History Tell Us About How and When This Crisis Will End. This is my current morning reading, and, while it's certainly not easy (nor is it short at 578 pages), it's become essential for my understanding of how Americans have gotten where we are, and gives some hope for where we are going. In this episode I share some of what I'm learning about the concept of "turnings," "saecula," "generations" and much more. If history can teach us anything, so far it's that "this too shall pass," whether we are talking about yearly seasonal cycles or times and places in history. Neil Howe has other interesting takes on investments and other historical information. You can find more about this book and his insights at .
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Episode 298 - Getting REAL About Locker Room Talk with Jodee
02/26/2026
Episode 298 - Getting REAL About Locker Room Talk with Jodee
The way you perceive the world has everything to do with your perspective. Today I’m exploring sports—something I’ve lived and loved most of my life—and how microcosms can become macrocosms when we stop and really look at them. I'm exploring the locker room moment with the men's Olympic hockey team. The celebration. The speakerphone call. The off-hand comment about the women's team. What happens when humor and hierarchy collide, not just in locker rooms, but also in board rooms?
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Episode 297 - Getting REAL About Holding Space for Wisdom to Emerge with Jodee
02/19/2026
Episode 297 - Getting REAL About Holding Space for Wisdom to Emerge with Jodee
I've been noticing something for the past few years. As a speaker and author, I used to work really hard to make sure the message was "right." But lately I've been experimenting with what happens when I let the message find me. I might say or write something and think "oh, that's good." Not in an ego-based way, but in an aligned way. Like I'm learning from myself in real time. If you've listened to any of these Facebook Lives over the 5+ years I've been doing them, you may have noticed. Something really cool happens when I stop editing myself. Maybe there's real intelligence that only shows up when it's invited, not forced.
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Episode 296 - Getting REAL About Conclusions & Discernment with Jodee
02/11/2026
Episode 296 - Getting REAL About Conclusions & Discernment with Jodee
I've been watching the conversation about the Super Bowl halftime show unfold online and what struck me isn't the show(s) themselves but how quickly narratives and opinions formed. Some people are saying Bad Bunny's show included vulgar lyrics. There was an alternative halftime show. There are rumors about where it was filmed - if it was lip synced. And I found myself thinking: wait ... what do we actually KNOW? And how do we DECIDE? Today's episode isn't necessarily about the halftime show options. It's about what and how we decide. Is it possible to watch something or listen to someone else without judging? The commenters on today's live recording added so much to the dialogue. One person added actual lyrics to a Bad Bunny song (which were too vulgar for me to repeat). But are those the lyrics he sang at the halftime show? The jury's still out on that. How do we discern? Who do we listen to? Welcome to today's episode.
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Episode 295 - Getting REAL About Leading Yourself First with Jake Luehrs
02/04/2026
Episode 295 - Getting REAL About Leading Yourself First with Jake Luehrs
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Episode 294 - Getting REAL About Keeping Your Spark with Jodee
01/29/2026
Episode 294 - Getting REAL About Keeping Your Spark with Jodee
We humans have a lot to process these days. The two topics we are never supposed to talk about in public are religion and politics, and both seem to be taking up a lot of space in heads and hearts without any way to process, if we are following that advice. What is a human to do with only our own thoughts if we don't have a safe space to process? I took on an experiment over the weekend, which I wouldn't recommend anyone else doing unless you're very prepared. Hint: If you want to connect, there are ways other than social media. In this episode I mention Michael Singer, the author of "The Untethered Soul" and "The Surrender Experiment," among others. I also refer to the CNN story Anderson Cooper did about the Resistance Singers. You can see that here: Check out the Enlightened Leadership Labs Mondays at 4 central if you're looking for a safe space to practice all aspects of leadership, listening, and real communication. (www.emergentculturelabs.com/leadershiplab).
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Episode 293 - Getting REAL About Both/And with Jodee
01/22/2026
Episode 293 - Getting REAL About Both/And with Jodee
I've been sitting with something this week and I want to name it out loud, and see if there is dialogue to be created around it. When people go all-in on any single viewpoint - political or otherwise - it seems to me that nuance disappears. And when we lose nuance, we lose curiosity. So I wonder where curiosity lives in the world of this or that. Does it? What happens when curiosity dies? Is there space for Both/And instead of only Either/Or?
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Episode 292 - Getting REAL About Peace in the Chaos with Jodee
01/15/2026
Episode 292 - Getting REAL About Peace in the Chaos with Jodee
What happens to us humans when we feel like we are the only ones thinking or feeling something? If we don't have a place to process what we are seeing, it's easy to second guess our own perception. I've been thinking about this in a leadership context, and I'm reminded of two books I've studied, both by The Arbinger Institute: Leadership and Self Deception and The Anatomy of Peace. The premise is that when we are under stress, humans tend to see others not as humans but as objects. This can easily happen when we fall below the line into unconsciousness: being closed, defensive, and committed to being right. Is there another way to see things? I'd like to believe so.
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Episode 291 - Getting REAL About A.I. and Culture with Jodee
01/06/2026
Episode 291 - Getting REAL About A.I. and Culture with Jodee
In this episode of Circle Up & Get REAL, I'm exploring some thoughts about leadership (no surprise) and what pressure might do to the humans who are in those leadership roles. What role might AI have, not just in our corporate efficiencies, but in creating a culture of awareness and acceptance instead of fear? In other words, if we stay in curiosity instead of falling into certainty, what could the rise of AI mean to our corporate cultures?
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Episode 290 - Getting REAL About Owning Your Magnificence with Sue Paulson
12/26/2025
Episode 290 - Getting REAL About Owning Your Magnificence with Sue Paulson
In today's episode, I chat with my friend Sue Paulson, a 2-time cancer survivor and a survivor of a near-death experience, all of which have awakened her to her own magnificence, which she now mentors others to understand for themselves. Sue is the author of several books, including her memoir, Magnificent Misery, about her health journey. In our conversation, Sue shared her personal journey with cancer, which she experienced in 2011 and 2012. She realized that her body is a communication device that alerts her to issues, and she learned to pay more attention to these signals. Sue acknowledged that she had deep-seated beliefs about her worth, which she had to challenge during her cancer treatment. Since 2012, she has been cancer-free and has focused on self-care and personal growth, including psychotherapy sessions to understand the underlying causes of her illness. Sue’s cancer journey opened her to the concept of each person’s inherent magnificence and the dream of experiencing heaven right here on earth. To that end, she co-created in 2023 and is currently conducting workshops and mentoring others about those two concepts. You can learn more about Sue by visiting her website, .
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