#493 Hiring, Firing, and Hard Conversations (ft. Squirrel Solutions)
Contractor Growth Network
Most remodelers call an HR person when something is already on fire. Somebody quit, somebody needs to be fired, or a role has been empty for three months and the owner is covering it at 9pm. In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan Shinholser sits down with Bryan Williams, owner of Squirrel Solutions, a fractional HR and operations firm working with remodelers and custom builders across the country. Bryan's whole premise is that the hire is almost never the actual problem. When an owner calls him about a designer or a project manager, his first move is to figure out...
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#492 4 Stories to Add to Your Sales Toolbelt (ft. Mark Dixon)
Contractor Growth Network
Shownotes Most sales training tells you to talk about your past projects. Mark Dixon talks about spaghetti. In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan Shinholser sits down with Mark Dixon, co-owner of Odd Fellows Contracting in Michigan and a remodeler with more than 40 years in the trade. Logan first heard Mark speak at the Rise Conference earlier this year and expected a talk about project storytelling. Instead he got Italian food. Mark walks through the three analogies he actually uses in the field: the spaghetti dinner that explains why nobody can price an addition...
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#491 Marketing Your Job to Sell the Next One (RISE Summit '26)
Contractor Growth Network
Your next project is probably within a mile of the one you're finishing right now. In this live session, Logan Shinholser breaks down how to systematically market the neighborhood you're already working in. It starts with a story about his neighbor Bo — a basement remodel, a nerdy Gantt chart, a Friday pizza party, and four of that contractor's yard signs appearing within a half mile over the next few months. The problem with the Bo model is that it depends on Bo. So the whole session is about taking what happens offline, by luck, and rebuilding it as something you actually control. Logan...
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#490 Answering Remodeler's Top Photography Questions
Contractor Growth Network
How do you find a good remodeling photographer — and once you've found them, how do you actually get photos worth paying for? In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Aaron Horner sits down with Luke Strappelli, a CGN client success manager, to answer the photography questions that come up over and over from remodeling clients. Aaron spent years traveling to shoot on-location photography for CGN clients and has been building a full photography guide, so this one gets tactical. They cover what actually separates a good photo from a bad one (spoiler: it's not just camera...
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#489 Your Remodeling Business' Marketing Strategy for 2027
Contractor Growth Network
A year ago, in episode 466, we laid out the entire six-step marketing strategy for a remodeling company. A lot has changed since — the market has slowed, AI search has gone from a curiosity to a real force, and the tactics that used to move the needle have shifted. In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan Shinholser and Aaron Horner give you a "State of the Union" on what CGN is now doing differently for its remodeling clients, and why. The foundation hasn't changed: know your ideal client and their real problem, articulate how you solve it, back it up with strong...
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# 488 AI Tools Built BY REMODELERS (ft. Data X)
Contractor Growth Network
Everyone keeps telling contractors they’ll be out of business in six months if they don’t adopt AI. The reality is calmer than that—and a lot more useful. In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan Shinholser sits down with Peter Ranney and Elliott Wittstruck, the founders of DataX, an AI optimization company built specifically for contractors running JobTread. Peter and Elliott come from the remodeling world themselves, and DataX started as a hodgepodge of tools they built to solve their own problems—Peter brute-forcing automations in Zapier, Elliott writing code...
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#487 Branding for the Billion Dollar Client (ft. Vought Construction)
Contractor Growth Network
Everybody says they do "high end." Almost nobody looks the part. In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan sits down with Devin Vought of Vought Construction — JobTread's 2025 Builder of the Year and a luxury home builder in the Bay Area whose clients are routinely worth hundreds of millions, sometimes billions. Devin breaks down what branding actually means when your prospects can buy anything they want. It's not the logo or the tagline. It's the client journey he's engineered behind the scenes — the demo-day party, the handmade pastries waiting for a client flying...
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#486 How to Get Cited by ChatGPT, Gemini & Claude in 90 Days
Contractor Growth Network
Is your remodeling company being recommended by ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude — or would you even know if it was? In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan sits down with Patrick Sculley, CGN's in-house SEO lead, to walk through a 90-day plan for getting cited in AI search. They start with the basics — what "cited" actually means, why personalization is making AI results different for every searcher, and why the old SEO formula of "more reviews + more backlinks = trust" doesn't hold the same weight anymore. Then they break the 90 days into three sprints. Days...
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#485 JobTread's Founder on AI, Automation, and The Future of Remodeling
Contractor Growth Network
What's the one thing in your business you wish could be automated? In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan sits down with Eric Fortenberry — founder and CEO of JobTread — to dig into how AI is reshaping the way contractors run their businesses, and where the real risks are hiding underneath the hype. JobTread just rolled out a feature that lets contractors connect their own AI model directly into their JobTread account, and within two weeks over 1,500 users had spun up Claude and wired it in. Eric walks through what's working, what's blowing up in people's faces...
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#484 The Anatomy of a Great Remodeling Testimonial
Contractor Growth Network
How well does your company share stories of your past work? Many remodeling companies know that client testimonials are important, but are wasting the opportunity because of a lack of understanding around what a testimonial is supposed to do. In this episode Logan and Aaron are breaking some of the most impactful lessons they've learned over the years making impactful testimonials that actually sell more work. They walk through why most testimonial videos fail, the biggest mistakes contractors make when trying to capture them, and what it actually takes to create a video that builds trust and...
info_outlineEveryone keeps telling contractors they’ll be out of business in six months if they don’t adopt AI. The reality is calmer than that—and a lot more useful. In this episode of the Contractor Growth Network podcast, Logan Shinholser sits down with Peter Ranney and Elliott Wittstruck, the founders of DataX, an AI optimization company built specifically for contractors running JobTread.
Peter and Elliott come from the remodeling world themselves, and DataX started as a hodgepodge of tools they built to solve their own problems—Peter brute-forcing automations in Zapier, Elliott writing code for cash flow projection calendars.
They walk through how those scrappy internal tools turned into a software company, and why the goal was never to build a business so much as to build helpful things and share them. Along the way they break down what AI actually does well in a construction business right now: receipt processing that runs while you sleep, a grammar checker that turns “bathroom color?” into a question a high-end client will actually respect, and connecting your phone system, Gmail, and Zillow data into JobTread as a single source of truth.
Frontier models like Claude and ChatGPT will “brute force” a vague prompt by burning huge amounts of tokens and time—sometimes 15 to 20 minutes per question. DataX pre-defines the construction logic and JobTread tools on the back end so the same task runs 20 to 50 times more efficiently. Peter and Elliott also get into the misconceptions—the FOMO, the trap of solving problems that don’t exist, and why you can’t outrun a business with foundations that aren’t set up yet.
If you’ve been told AI is going to leave you behind but you don’t know where to actually start, this episode gives you a grounded, contractor-specific way to think about it.
Timestamps
00:00 — Meet Peter and Elliott, the founders of DataX
01:22 — Peter’s origin story: from BuilderTrend to JobTread to Zapier
08:09 — Elliott’s path: band director, self-taught coder, family business
14:07 — The biggest misconception: FOMO and solving problems that don’t exist
14:46 — Only 0.4% of the world pays for AI—you’re not behind
17:12 — How DataX acts as guardrails between you and JobTread
18:25 — The massive system prompt behind DataX (20–50x more efficient)
33:27 — The bread aisle analogy: buy tools, don’t build everything
46:23 — The most-used workflow: the receipt processor
01:01:37 — Final thoughts: have AI tell the humans what to do