SPECIAL EPISODE: Relational Wisdom for Lawyers — Ken Sande (Wellness Program)
Release Date: 05/14/2025
194. Building an AI-Savvy Workforce — Kevin Frazier
Cross & Gavel Podcast
My conversation today is on the necessity of adaptive leadership in the coming wave that is artificial intelligence. My guest is Kevin Frazier, the newly minted AI Innovation and Law Fellow at The University of Texas School of Law. His article () in Law & Liberty is called Building an AI-Savvy Workforce. His new podcast, Scaling Law (), is excellent. Find his other work at Lawfare (). Cross & Gavel is a production of CHRISTIAN LEGAL SOCIETY. The episode was produced by Josh Deng, with music from Vexento.
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193. Ten Commandments in Classrooms — Mark David Hall & Andrea Picciotti-Bayer
Cross & Gavel Podcast
On June 20, 2025, the Fifth Circuit returned its decision in the Louisiana Ten Commandments case (), upholding the District Courts order blocking the law from going into effect. This was followed by a petition on June 26 for a rehearing en banc by the State (). At the same time, Texas passed its on bill () requiring displays of the Ten Commandments in classrooms. On June 24, that law was challenged in the Northern District of Texas () by a group of parents seeking to stop the bill from going into effect. Needless to say, our topic today is very timely, discussing the history of public displays...
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192. The Death & New Life of Law and Religion — Marc O. DeGirolami
Cross & Gavel Podcast
This week, we have a special episode. One near and dear to my heart and my own intellectual history. It is a conversation with professor Marc O. DeGirolami on his piece published in the Oxford Journal of Law & Religion covering the life and death of law and religion. Read it . In it, he takes us into the first wave of this movement and its advent forces with those like Harold Berman and John Witte, Jr., who took on the critical mantle of reacting to “the deconstruction of the American Christian legal heritage proceeding apace in the courts and the academy.” DeGirolami discusses the...
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SPECIAL EPISODE: Integrating Faith in Legal Practice — Boatman Ricci (Foundations Series)
Cross & Gavel Podcast
The Foundations Series is a new web content venture from CLS aimed at helping Christian law students transition from 3Ls to first-year associates. It features Christian practitioners skilled in the integration of faith and practice, offering guidance in conversation with students at the early stages of their legal development. My guests today are James A. Boatman & Stephen Schahrer, collectively from the Florida law firm Boatman Ricci. James is a commercial litigator with extensive experience in both federal and state courts. He has handled a broad spectrum of matters including:...
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191. Religious Law Schools, Rankings, & Bias — Michael Conklin
Cross & Gavel Podcast
With the release of U.S. News Rankings , renewed interest has surfaced regarding the parameters and impact of placement. Where law schools fall speaks to not only the quality of their percieved education, but also success regarding student employment and faculty publication. On this episode, I speak with Michael Conklin, a scholar who’s been measuring bias within the Rankings system, this time focusing his attention on religious law schools. His paper, soon to be published in the Florida Journal of Law & Public Policy, is entitled . Dr. Michael Conklin is the Visiting Assistant Professor...
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SPECIAL EPISODE: Relational Wisdom for Lawyers — Ken Sande (Wellness Program)
Cross & Gavel Podcast
It is no secret that law students and attorneys exist in a stressful environment. As Amy Levin recently wrote, "[l]aw student mental health is at an all-time low." The American Bar Association (ABA) has conducted a study that shows how this environment tends to contribute to high rates of mental health disorders and substance abuse. In an effort to face this challenge, LSM has launched the Wellness Program—focused on providing students resources and discussions to face this issue, together. In this special episode, Michelle Williams talks to Ken Sande about relational wisdom,...
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190. Play In The Joints — Falco Anthony Muscante II
Cross & Gavel Podcast
For most of the second half of 20th century, the Supreme Court has wrestled with finding a balance between the Free Exercise of religion and the Establishment Clause, offering several tests to test the limits of permissible accommodation without the undue appearance of government endorsement. Among those tests has been a little-thing called the “play in the joints,” famously introduced in Walz v. Tax Commissioner of New York (1970). In this episode, I explore this concept with Falco Anthony Muscante II, whose paper in the Ave Marie Law Review is called . In our conversation, we...
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SPECIAL EPISODE: Integrating Faith in Legal Practice — Joe Ruta & Stephen Lyon (Foundations Series)
Cross & Gavel Podcast
The Foundations Series is a new web content venture from CLS aimed at helping Christian law students transition from 3Ls to first-year associates. It features Christian practitioners skilled in the integration of faith and practice, offering guidance in conversation with students at the early stages of their legal development. My guests today are Joe Ruta and Stephen Lyon. Joe is a Partner of Ruta, Soulios, & Stratis LLP. He is outside general counsel to over 30 corporations ranging from startups to public companies as well as not-for-profits. . Stephen is a deputy assistant public...
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189. Natural Law and Its Discontents — Josiah Wolfe
Cross & Gavel Podcast
The recent publication of Melissa Moschella’s has renewed interest in the application of natural law to human flourishing. A topic that has undergone a resurgence among not only Catholics, but also Protestants with seminal publications from those like , , and . Seeing students engaging in this tradition has been rewarding and today I speak to one of those students, Josiah Wolfe, and his article in the Campbell Law Observer entitled, . We talk about the early stages of his interest in the topic, whether he’s seeing the natural law in his assignment, how he approaches , the relationship...
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188. Called to Freedom — Brad Littlejohn
Cross & Gavel Podcast
A popular refrain from both the left and the right in American society is one concerning the importance of liberty for the flourishment of their respective communities. But what does true freedom look like and, perhaps more importantly, how does one come to attain it and then keep it in a world like our own. This week, I am joined by Brad Littlejohn to talk about his new book, . In our conversation, we discuss the journey of writing this book, the nature and meaning of liberty in all of its areas, role of obligation and virtue, the influence of modern technology on freedom, and more. Brad is...
info_outlineIt is no secret that law students and attorneys exist in a stressful environment. As Amy Levin recently wrote, "[l]aw student mental health is at an all-time low." The American Bar Association (ABA) has conducted a study that shows how this environment tends to contribute to high rates of mental health disorders and substance abuse. In an effort to face this challenge, LSM has launched the Wellness Program—focused on providing students resources and discussions to face this issue, together.
In this special episode, Michelle Williams talks to Ken Sande about relational wisdom, emotional intelligence, and developing healthy habits in navigating the challenges of legal pratice.
Helpful resources for continuing education:
- Relational Wisdom 360 [Home Page]
- A Stolen Baby, $200M Lawsuit and an Astonishing Reconciliation [READ]
- Attorneys as Peacemakers and Conciliators [PDF]
- Reconciled by a Baby Moose [READ]
- Lincoln's Relational Wisdom [READ]
- Emotional Intelligence for (Secular) Attorneys [READ]
For more with Ken Sande, listen to our other conversatioin here.
Link to SUBSTACK here.
Music Credit: Tokyo Music Walker