ep 28 Customer Experience - the good the bad and the ugly
Release Date: 08/22/2025
CEO Bros - After Hours
Social worker turns 26 million stranded shipping containers into housing. Rory's husband offered a solution to her midlife crisis: "Just buy a sports car." She started a manufacturing company instead. Seven years later, she's built a two-story structure on Lake Michigan. This is episode 41. When the easier path isn't the right one. *YOU'LL DISCOVER* • Why 26 million shipping containers sit in US graveyards • How a clinical social worker became a manufacturing CEO • The Navy Pier project that made Chicago history • Why containers weren't legal for housing until 2018 *WHAT ACTUALLY...
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Sales vs. Legal. Operations vs. Compliance. You vs. your Co-founder at 2am. Brad encourages friction. Brian lets it run longer than most CEOs. They both know something most entrepreneurs miss: the uncomfortable tension between departments isn't killing your business. Avoiding it is. Sales wants to close the deal. Legal wants to protect the company. Operations needs flexibility. Compliance needs rules. Most CEOs try to eliminate the friction. Brad and Brian? They promote it. This is episode 40: Let’s Get Ready To Rumbbbbbbbble! *YOU'LL DISCOVER* • Why "copacetic" environments produce lazy...
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Remote work introduced problems offices never had. Dogs barking. Contractors arriving. Kids at the door. Cameras off or multitasking? Working in PJs or logging extra hours? Brad thinks remote work kills his 550-employee culture. Brian cleaned out VHT's fridge in March 2020 and never came back for two years. COVID forced the experiment. Some companies stayed remote. Others are dragging people back. AT&T doesn't have enough parking spaces. Microsoft's thriving. Brad can't imagine meetings with cameras off. This is episode 39. Remote versus in-office, and why nobody's figured it out. You'll...
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Making decisions fast? Making them careful? Or just frozen between the two? Brian spent three months analyzing a new product line nobody in the industry had ever done. Endless scenarios that led nowhere. He finally said screw it and pulled the trigger anyway. Now people ask him how he decided to do something nobody else can replicate. Brad runs the opposite problem. His team moves so fast they don't think through consequences. This is episode 38. How to know when to trust your gut and when to slow down. In this conversation, you'll discover: • The two questions that determine instinct versus...
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Budget Battle Royale: The Smackdown Between Growth vs. Profit (+ The $250K Contest Catastrophe)* Two CEOs reveal the brutal truth about budgeting, why "set it and forget it" destroys businesses, and how to turn budget fights into innovation. Think you know how to budget? Think again. In this raw, unfiltered conversation, Brian and Brad (two CEOs who've built, scaled, and sold companies) destroy the myths around business budgeting and reveal why most entrepreneurs are doing it completely wrong. You'll discover: • Why the "baseline vs. zero-up" debate could make or break your company • The...
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What got us here, won’t get us where we are going next. The guys discuss the business philosophy that "What got us here won't necessarily get us there." The conversation focuses on the evolution of a growing business, emphasizing the need for change in leadership, systems, processes, and people to reach the next level of success. Both CEOs share personal examples. Ultimately, they conclude that bold, sometimes unpopular decisions are necessary for a company to scale effectively. This discussion centers on a fundamental challenge faced by every growing business: the skills,...
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A spirited discussion about the critical importance of attention to detail in business. The guys share anecdotes, including a story about an easily forgotten rental car in Las Vegas and an example of poorly implemented office doors, to illustrate the consequences of overlooking small details. A central theme is the contrasting perspectives on leadership, with Brad emphasizing the need to "inspect what you expect" and Brian trusting employees to handle details, and they explore how details significantly influence the customer experience and overall business success, citing examples like the...
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Public Speaking for Business Leadership This episode of ‘CEO Bros - after hours’ synthesizes key insights on public speaking as an essential leadership skill, derived from a discussion among business leaders and a communications expert. The central argument is that while public speaking is a common and significant fear, it is a non-negotiable and masterable competency for anyone in a leadership role. Effective speaking hinges on three pillars: meticulous preparation, controlled delivery, and a relentless focus on a clear, memorable message. Key strategies include knowing the...
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5 Surprising Ways Raising the Minimum Wage Can Backfire, According to Two CEOs The Well-Intentioned Policy with Hidden Costs Raising the minimum wage is often seen as a direct and compassionate solution to help low-income workers. The logic seems simple: pay people more, and their quality of life will improve. However, for business leaders on the front lines of managing payrolls and profit margins, the reality is far more complex. They argue that this well-intentioned policy is fraught with hidden costs and unintended consequences. One CEO bluntly describes the policy as a "big heart, small...
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Many businesses focus on a single question: How do we get new clients? However, a more critical question is how you keep them once you have them. This episode opens with a comical but eye-opening story about a truly terrible first-time experience at a dentist’s office. Despite spending a lot on advertising to attract new patients, this practice had a disorganized, impersonal process that left the patient confused, disrespected, and unsure about what procedures were even being performed. This is a powerful lesson for any business: a first impression, especially for a new client, is not just a...
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This episode of ‘CEO Bros - after hours ‘captures an unplanned debate among three hosts, initially sparked by a minor disagreement about culinary terms like "gravy" versus "sauce." The discussion quickly shifts to a critical examination of customer experience, primarily using Chipotle as a case study. The hosts explore issues such as inconsistent food portions for online versus in-store orders, the impact of private equity firms on service quality, and the challenge of maintaining customer satisfaction across different ordering methods (in-person, phone, online). They emphasize the importance of valuing every customer equally and the need for businesses to adapt operations to changing consumer behaviors. The conversation ultimately highlights that small details in client interaction can significantly influence brand loyalty and overall business success.
Core Theme: The central theme running through the provided discussion excerpts is the critical importance of a holistic and consistent "client experience" for businesses in today's evolving market. The guys, through their debate on Chipotle and other examples, underscore that neglecting any aspect of customer interaction, no matter how small, can lead to significant brand damage and lost revenue. While the discussion initially veered towards "pivoting" in business strategy, it consistently returned to the fundamental need for businesses to adapt and excel in their customer service delivery across all channels.
Key Ideas and Facts:
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Chipotle's Client Experience Challenges:
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Inconsistent Food Portions:
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Inefficient Online Order Integration:
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Lack of Dedicated Online Order Processing:
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Perception of Quality Degradation post-PE Acquisition:
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Historical Food Contamination (E.coli):
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The "Tip" Acronym and Customer Service History:
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The Equivalence of All Customers:
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The Need for a Dedicated Client Experience Owner:
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Proactive Communication:
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"Fast Lane" for High-Value Customers (VHT Studios Example):
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The Importance of "Little Details":
The discussion frequently returns to the idea that seemingly minor details can significantly impact the customer experience. Examples include McDonald's' focus on the strength of plastic forks and the width of milkshake straws, or the disheveled appearance of Burger King's flame-grilled burgers.
Brian stresses that business leaders and founders should personally experience their products and services to identify and fix issues.
This episode serves as a robust reminder for entrepreneurs and business leaders that a superior client experience is non-negotiable for sustained success. The shortcomings of Chipotle in managing their online ordering system highlight the consequences of failing to adapt operational strategies to new customer behaviors. The guys advocate for a comprehensive approach where every customer is valued, operational efficiencies are implemented without sacrificing quality, and meticulous attention is paid to every detail of the customer journey. The ultimate takeaway is that an excellent client experience is not merely a competitive advantage, but a fundamental requirement for business survival and growth.