Connection Before Correction With Your Wife & Your Kids

This is a special live Q&A recorded inside Apogee, where the hosts turned the tables and interviewed Larry alongside his wife Jessica for a rare joint conversation. Married 23 years with four sons, the two open up about what actually creates safety in a home, and their answer surprises the room: it starts with relentlessly prioritizing the marriage.

From there they get honest about the early years when Larry admits he floundered and didn't lead well, how Jessica learned to call him forward without emasculating him, and why connection always has to come before correction. They talk repair as the true measure of a relationship, letting kids witness the full cycle of a disagreement, and Larry shares the hardest parts of his own story, an estranged mother and a father who left twice, and what forgiveness has and hasn't looked like. If you want a real look inside a marriage that leads, this one delivers.

 

Timeline Summary

[1:05] – Larry and Jessica join Apogee, and the watermelon splitter jokes begin

[5:03] – The Freud quote on a child's need for protection, and Larry's book for his boys

[6:19] – What's really happening in a home when a child feels deeply safe

[7:01] – The frying pan on the back burner: how marriages slide after kids arrive

[8:29] – Marriage as a skill, not just a feeling, and the tactical work it requires

[9:09] – Telling his 12 year old he prioritizes mom, and why that creates safety

[10:04] – The 18 year old who wants to be home because of how his parents love

[11:05] – Jessica on kids modeling what they see, and her daughter wanting flowers

[13:16] – Jessica's loving, family oriented upbringing versus Larry's chaotic one

[15:08] – Jessica's honesty: he did not lead very well in the early years

[15:51] – Calling him forward with love instead of a finger in his face

[17:28] – Connection before correction, and picking one when forced to choose

[20:55] – Why calling someone forward implies connection and trust already exist

[22:08] – Without connection you have no influence, even with your own kids

[23:14] – Having tough conversations through activity: walks, workouts, the range

[23:38] – Hold On to Your Kids and why attachment precedes instruction

[24:51] – Parenting across developmental stages and the two bigs, two littles dynamic

[28:01] – Why Larry found the young years hardest and came alive in the teens

[29:23] – Jessica as the boy mom of empathy, affection, and don't cross me

[30:29] – What repair looks like after losing patience with the kids

[32:22] – Figs O'Sullivan on harmony, disharmony, and quality living in the repair

[33:05] – Growing up with parents who never apologized, and breaking that cycle

[35:05] – Coach Whittle's house rule: if you see the collision, you see the repair

[36:12] – The deck argument Ethan witnessed and the repair he described back

[38:20] – Repairing with your own parents, and the letters Apogee members are writing

[41:53] – Larry's estranged mother, the milk incident, and an unsafe environment

[42:37] – A father who left twice and the Starbucks reunion 18 years later

[43:36] – Mason at 15 asking how he could ever forgive him

[44:34] – Forgive and co-create the future, or live in the past with a grudge

[46:18] – Screen time boundaries, dumb phones, and earning time through fitness

[49:37] – The three page contract for an adult son living at home rent free

[50:28] – Why doom scrolling infuriates Larry, and his own guilt with the work phone

[57:08] – The Apogee host thanks Larry, and an early zoom happy birthday

 

5 Key Takeaways

1. Protecting Kids Starts With the Marriage — The deepest safety a child feels comes from parents who prioritize each other. It's a long tail game, not a short term action, and kids who see their parents love each other feel warm, safe, and want to be home.
2. Call Each Other Forward, Don't Tear Down — Jessica changed Larry by naming what she saw with love and respect instead of criticism, which made him want to change. That same energy, connection before correction, is exactly how they lead their sons.
3. Without Connection You Have No Influence — Kids tune out discipline from someone they don't feel attached to. Building connection first, often through shared activity, makes every hard conversation land far better.
4. The Relationship Lives in the Repair — Every relationship cycles through harmony, disharmony, and repair, and the quality resides in how you repair. Letting kids witness the whole cycle, including your apology, teaches them it's safe to mess up and own it.
5. Forgiveness Is a Choice About the Future — Larry's father owned his two abandonments completely and earned a 21 year relationship, while his mother's unsafe patterns went unrepaired. You can forgive and co-create the future, or live your whole life in the past with a grudge.

 

Links & Resources

• Episode page and all links: https://thedadedge.com/1507
• Dad Edge Day with the Arizona Cardinals (November 15, Cardinals vs Rams, State Farm Stadium): https://thedadedge.com/nfl
• Connect with Jessica Hagner: https://thedadedge.com/jessicahagner/
• Larry and Jessica interview each other (part one): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aCcKKv9pXw
• Larry and Jessica interview each other (part two): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsHmnQiROMo&t=138s
• Roommates to soulmates thedadedge.com/soulmates

 

Enjoyed This Episode?

If watching Larry and Jessica lead their marriage out loud gave you something to aim at, take one piece into your own home this week. Prioritize your spouse in front of your kids, or let them witness a full repair the next time you lose your patience. If the show keeps delivering, follow, rate, and leave a review so more fathers can find these conversations.